From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #133 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 133 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] chicago cover art... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Posteverything - News from the Guvnor ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... [Anthony Chapman ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Whistle Test / Fall ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] dandies eXist green [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] [OT] happytree [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin [Steve Loubert ] Re: [idealcopy] Whistle Test / Fall [Anthony Chapman > Vic's worked for the post office for well over a decade. You could say his musical career was more of a hobby! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] chicago cover art... ...Surely what we SHOULD do is cut Brill Dumb ond into 2000 pieces,stick him back together,take a photo of it,reduce it to cover art size and use that,who knows,if we put it on ebay we might get the ashes of a million pounds for it........Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:53:05 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! > Vic's worked for the post office for well over a decade. You could say his > musical career was more of a hobby! Must be strange. We have a simalar situation with Dutch ex-international (80's) footballplayer Berry van Aerle. Apparently in his days the salaries weren't in the 7 figures yet. "Een mooi beroep" (a fine occupation) thus cheered Aerle walking his route in Brabant... you know, where we should take the Trabant to, according to... "NEWMAN" Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:04:15 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] Posteverything - News from the Guvnor Hi John, Could you please post this to the IC list and make the information as widely available as possible. Please understand there is no conspiracy!. We (pinkflag) have been roundly screwed by a hugely delayed vinyl pressing, which should have been here last week but is still 'somewhere in France". This is completely out of our control. It certainly is not posteverything's fault or a test of loyalty! The majority of CD orders for "send' have been dispatched BUT unfortunately everyone who ordered the vinyl is still going to have to wait until there is stock (promised within a week). Please check with the posteverything site which will inform absolutely as soon as there is stock you can then expect to get your order very soon. Sorry from all @ pinkflag. Colin Newman _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:17:58 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Postmen > >> "NEWMAN!" > > > hehe. how big was/is seinfeld outside the u.s.? just curious > > paul (mulva?) c.d. > >I'd say pretty big. Here there's a show on (primetime) every day (and >though >I've seen 'em all I can't help to keep watching again). > >Not too long ago BBC2 had a weekly double bill of Seinfeld and the Larry >Sanders Show... my favourite night in. Is Shandling doing anything new >these >days? I'd have said nowhere near as big as in the States. It went out at 11pm on BBC2 over here. Yes, it did go out as a double bill with Larry Sanders which was great. I think the Beeb thought that anyone who really wanted to see it would have already seen it on SkyTV. I have to admit to being a bit of a Seinfeld anorak. I've got every episode bar about half a dozen on video. I recently read the Larry Sanders book which seems to suggest a return. > > > of course, he could've been talking about colin ... if vic godard could >wind > > up carrying the mail, who knows? > >Vic does that nowadays? Suppose that means that comeback didn't stick? Apparently he's been promoted and works in the office now. Cheers John 'Worlds are colliding' _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:41:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! There's a rich thread to be mined along the lines of "TV shows in which the names of Wire members are exclaimed". See also Inspector Morse's cries of "Lewis!" to his hapless assistant. Any sightings of "Gilbert!", or even "Gotobed!" ? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:07:02 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin Hi John, Can you please post this revised statement to the IC list and please ask everybody to check with the posteverything news pages for any updates rather than sending e.mails to posteverything. This has been an "unfolding situation" (to say the least) for pinkflag & posteverything, we live & learn. ++++++++++ The situation regarding the vinyl situation is as follows. Due to wildly overoptimistic production turn around times given by our production agency we had expected stocks of the vinyl album (PF456 REDUX - - formerly VPF6 in case anyone's wondering) to be ready for more or less at the same time as the CD album (at the end of April). However we are now informed we will not see finished copies before the 15th May (this is the date that they arrive in the UK from the pressing plant in France). We have set it up so that mail order customers will be the first to be serviced, so postal problems aside mail order customers will get the copies before any distributor or shop. You will not get them quicker by any other route. The delay is simply due the fact that posteverything cannot send out what it does not have!! However there is a situation we want to address regarding customers who have ordered the Send CD as well as PF456 REDUX. We can all understand and sympathise with those who don9t get their hands on the new Wire album because they also ordered the vinyl version. So pinkflag would like to make it up by offering a free enamel pinkflag badge (THE fashion item of this year dahlings!) to all customers who are willing to be patient until after the 15th. For those who simply cannot wait we will dispatch the CD album separately on request. As regards the badges they will be available for order via posteverything as soon as all vinyl is dispatched!! Prices are likely to be #4.00 for one, #10.00 for three & #15.00 for 5, this is because we imagine that everyone is going to have at least couple of people they'd really like to give one to as they are unbelievably cute! Colin Newman - Wire/pinkflag/posteverything _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:16:25 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! In a message dated 5/9/03 6:43:20 AM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Any sightings of "Gilbert!", yes..in the film Revenge of the Nerds.....! the two main "nerds" are Lewis Skollnick and Gilbert Lowe Robert "Art" Vandalay an architect ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:25:14 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 07:41:55AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > There's a rich thread to be mined along the lines of "TV shows in which the > names of Wire members are exclaimed". > > See also Inspector Morse's cries of "Lewis!" to his hapless assistant. > > Any sightings of "Gilbert!", or even "Gotobed!" ? The Magic Roundabout. (Well, nearly.) I'm sure you can find an example somewhere in kids' TV :) (For that matter, there's Lard[1]'s "GET TO BED!" catchphrase...) - - Andrew (now listening to Yo la Tengo - "Summer Sun") [1] FOR AMERICANS AND OTHER TRANSATLANTIC LIFEFORMS: Marc Riley, ex-Fall and Creepers, in a former life: now the producer of Mark Radcliffe's radio show, afternoons on Radio 1. It's pretty rubbish, but listening to Mark'n'Lard taking the mickey out of the pop of the day is pleasant enough background noise to debug code to, occasionally. - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:27:24 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 12:07:02PM +0000, John Roberts wrote: > As regards the badges they will be available for order via > posteverything as > soon as all vinyl is dispatched!! Prices are likely to be #4.00 for one, > #10.00 for three & #15.00 for 5, this is because we imagine that > everyone is > going to have at least couple of people they'd really like to give one > to as > they are unbelievably cute! Indeed they are - a few of us clubbed together at the Barbican show to get these. Very small, but very cool. :) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:10:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs. Cd Remeber when cds first came out and usually there was a lag between the vinyl version of an album with the cd to follow later? MM ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:46:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! let's not forget the proudest postie of all. The wonderful Cliff from Cheers. > > Vic's worked for the post office for well over a decade. You could say his > > musical career was more of a hobby! > > > Must be strange. We have a simalar situation with Dutch ex-international > (80's) footballplayer Berry van Aerle. Apparently in his days the salaries > weren't in the 7 figures yet. "Een mooi beroep" (a fine occupation) thus > cheered Aerle walking his route in Brabant... you know, where we should take > the Trabant to, according to... "NEWMAN" > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:45:25 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... sorry about all the confusion over this yesterday...classic Guardian listings typo cock-up type situation... but still, we got The Ramones (Do You Remember RocknRoll Radio), and PIL (Poptones...still great, but 'weedier' than i remembered...), amongst the usual dross... anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? this is am REALLY looking forward to... ian.s.j. >On the back-ground OGWT, high-lights John Cooper-Clark, Teardrop Explodes >and >a terrible announcement PEE AAI EL, _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:54:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] uzine: Wire Errata Who's the cleverdick responsable? Well...? B. ============ THREE ERRATA In our all too hurriedly written review of Wire's new "Send" cd in [uzine 03.05], we not only forgot to mention that Wire was to play London's Barbican Hall on April 26th with the complete "Pink Flag" `nd "Send" albums on their set list, but also that mailorder customers of Posteverything.com who bought the first two volumes of "Read & Burn" will get a bonus album of live mixes from The Metro (Chicago, USA, 2002) with every copy of "Send" they order. We were also wrong in attributing "The agfers of Kodack" to "R&B2" instead of "R&B1"; the "Read & Burn" series, meanwhile, will continue later this year with a third volume that 'will mark a new direction', allegedly... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:14:03 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... In message , ian s jackson writes >anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? >this is am REALLY looking forward to... If it's the one I've seen before, it's To Hell With Poverty - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:28:22 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... >>anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? this >>is am REALLY looking forward to... > >If it's the one I've seen before, it's To Hell With Poverty > >-- >Anthony Chapman i forget which ones they played for OGWT to be honest, i presume this was 'Solid Gold' period so was it 'Paralyzed' as well, maybe...??? i'm guessing but anything off that LP is fine by me... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:40:17 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... Get a sneak preview if it is Poverty at http://www.homestead.com/thiefoffire/index~ns4.html Cheers John >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... >Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:28:22 +0100 > >>>anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? this >>>is am REALLY looking forward to... >> >>If it's the one I've seen before, it's To Hell With Poverty >> >>-- >>Anthony Chapman > >i forget which ones they played for OGWT to be honest, i presume this was >'Solid Gold' period so was it 'Paralyzed' as well, maybe...??? i'm guessing >but anything off that LP is fine by me... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:43:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... > >>i forget which ones they played for OGWT to be honest, i presume this was > 'Solid Gold' period so was it 'Paralyzed' as well, maybe...??? i'm guessing > > but anything off that LP is fine by me...<< He'd send in the Army, I think Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:01:05 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:46:09 PM GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > but still, we got The Ramones (Do You Remember RocknRoll Radio), and PIL > (Poptones...still great, but 'weedier' than i remembered...), amongst the > usual dross... > Careering was a lot noisier from what I remember, with Levene playing keyboards and that weird guitar (what IS it?) - sometimes playing the keyboards WITH the guitar. Didn't Wobble sit on a chair for that? Enjoyed Johnny Clarke's invisible girls - Hannett on bass (also sitting down), Vini Reilly on guitar, Dave Formula on keyboards. Who was the unfashionably moustachioed other guitarist though? Thought you'd have enjoyed seeing Alan Gill-era Teardrops too ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:18:01 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... In a message dated 09/05/2003 15:46:09 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? this is > > am REALLY looking forward to... > 'I Love A Man In Uniform' ? Chris NP. Boards Of Canada - Twoism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:49:39 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN!/ Brabant > cheered Aerle walking his route in Brabant... you know, where we should take > the Trabant to, according to... "NEWMAN" Thanks for the entertaining, but probably, ultimately misleading anecdote, Bart(je). My guess is that Newman's Brabant is most likely the Belgian one adjoining Brussels, cos everybody knows that the only way a Trabant could reach Brabant,(Netherlands), is on a tow-truck! ;) Glenn. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 03/05/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:56:34 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... > iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > > but still, we got The Ramones (Do You Remember RocknRoll Radio), and PIL > > (Poptones...still great, but 'weedier' than i remembered...), amongst the > > usual dross... > Careering was a lot noisier from what I remember, with Levene playing > keyboards and that weird guitar (what IS it?) - sometimes playing the > keyboards WITH the guitar. Didn't Wobble sit on a chair for that? You may be right there. Levene definitely had a bash on the keyboards though. Ian's right. Poptones was 'weedier' than I remembered too, but still great somehow. That's one fab bassline... > Enjoyed Johnny Clarke's invisible girls - Hannett on bass (also sitting > down), Vini Reilly on guitar, Dave Formula on keyboards. Who was the > unfashionably moustachioed other guitarist though? Dunno. This was the other thing I was hoping for last night. Beasley Street is a great track, which like PIL I remember from the new yr hilites show, though personally I could have managed without the moustached one's fretwanks towards the end. > Thought you'd have enjoyed seeing Alan Gill-era Teardrops too ;-) Well I did! (Though the gtr was very low in the mix. Even so, I loved Balfe's little keyboard noodles). We also got Linton Kwesi Johnson endlessly reciting..."England is a bitch, there's no escaping it", and just to prove his point, they followed it with Genesis performing Duchess. The intro was surprisingly pleasant in a OMD sort of way, but then the 'song' began and our Phil started his inflicting his lame moves on the nation. Has there ever been a worse front man? As for the Fabulous Thunderbirds. No disrespect intended, but how could they be the hilite of ANY year? Keith NP Smog - cold blooded old times single ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:08:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... > I Love A Man In Uniform > Chris Thank you for sharing this with us Chris. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:28:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin admittedly I'm not one of the people waiting, but I would have thought this goes a long way... and the PF badge is pretty cool... - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin > Hi John, > > Can you please post this revised statement to the IC list and please ask > everybody to check with the posteverything news pages for any updates > rather > than sending e.mails to posteverything. This has been an "unfolding > situation" (to say the least) for pinkflag & posteverything, we live & > learn. > > > ++++++++++ > > The situation regarding the vinyl situation is as follows. > > Due to wildly overoptimistic production turn around times given by our > production agency we had expected stocks of the vinyl album (PF456 REDUX > - > formerly VPF6 in case anyone's wondering) to be ready for more or less > at > the same time as the CD album (at the end of April). However we are now > informed we will not see finished copies before the 15th May (this is > the > date that they arrive in the UK from the pressing plant in France). We > have > set it up so that mail order customers will be the first to be serviced, > so > postal problems aside mail order customers will get the copies before > any > distributor or shop. You will not get them quicker by any other route. > The > delay is simply due the fact that posteverything cannot send out what it > does not have!! > > However there is a situation we want to address regarding customers who > have > ordered the Send CD as well as PF456 REDUX. We can all understand and > sympathise with those who don9t get their hands on the new Wire album > because they also ordered the vinyl version. So pinkflag would like to > make > it up by offering a free enamel pinkflag badge (THE fashion item of this > year dahlings!) to all customers who are willing to be patient until > after > the 15th. For those who simply cannot wait we will dispatch the CD album > separately on request. > > As regards the badges they will be available for order via > posteverything as > soon as all vinyl is dispatched!! Prices are likely to be #4.00 for one, > #10.00 for three & #15.00 for 5, this is because we imagine that > everyone is > going to have at least couple of people they'd really like to give one > to as > they are unbelievably cute! > > Colin Newman - Wire/pinkflag/posteverything > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:45:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN!/ Brabant >> cheered Aerle walking his route in Brabant... you know, where we should >> take the Trabant to, according to... "NEWMAN" > > Thanks for the entertaining, but probably, ultimately misleading anecdote, > Bart(je). My guess is that Newman's Brabant is most likely the Belgian one > adjoining Brussels, The noble concept of Brabant which goes back to to pre-Carolingian days surely trancends mere mundane borders and, not unike Kurdistan, it's inhabitants are a proud people who... who... I'm so very sorry, up to this point I managed to keep a straight face (breaks down with hysterical laughter). In other words, they support (FC) PSV! Olee! Olee! Olee! But you're right. The dutch one is even called North-Brabant. Thnx for ruining my otherwize perfect little joke, Glenn-the-man! ;-) > cos everybody knows that the only way a Trabant could reach > Brabant,(Netherlands), is on a tow-truck! ;) Then how do you account for... THIS: http://www.trabantclub.nl Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:14:17 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... go4 did ogwt twice. first time was poverty / hed send in the army. second time was call me up / man in uniform / i will be a good boy. 81 performance must be the first one. "army" was a great performance with jk whacking a big lump of metal with an iron bar ; suspect they'd use that. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:25:54 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Working Methods / Berry Sakharof On Mon, 5 May 2003 20:26:06 +0100, "Uri Baran" said: > Not being a musician, my views on this are speculative however, I find it > very hard to believe that whatever creative interactions are necessary to > produce good music are not amplified immensely by the group members > jamming > together, writing together and in general creating music together. Wire > used > to be very prolific and one of the big differences between the first 2 > phases and this one is the relatively slow emergence of new material. Collaboration is crucial, otherwise you are in danger of creating what I call 'wank music' (I think the not too subtle metaphor is quite obvious so I won't ellaborate). Some of the best Wire early stuff was exclusively written by just one or two group members, as you all know, and was 'only' arranged by the whole four members. That didn't make any of those songs a Colin song or a Bruce song instead of a Wire song. What Chris Cutler was afraid of, some 15 years ago, of the technological advances in music making it less collaborative than it was before, didn't materialise, because regardless of technologies, people still need to collaborate musically - it is the core and essence of modern popular music. As to what kind of collaboration, there were always lots of methods, of which jamming was only one - Wire are only using some realtively new ones in addition to the old. As to Wire being more prolific in the past, it is mainly due to them being older and having additional things to do apart from being in Wire. A band whose members do not even live in the same country cannot collaborate on a daily basis. Actually, things would probably have been much quicker if the work was less collaborative. You don't go to the studio every morning and fiddle around until something decent can be recorded and made into a song. You have to look in your diary and see when you and the others have the time to even meet to rehearse - taking this into account, I think Wire were very prolific in the past few years. giluz ps. - mentioning Chris Cutler, I would heartily recommend his old-time collaborator from Cassiber and other projects, Heiner Goebbels' recent album 'Eislermaterial' - if you've ever been into the kind of stuff Cutler and his friends at Recommended issued over the years, or have any knowledge as to who Hanns Eisler was and his importance and influence to their music, this is the album for you. cheers www.indymedia.org.il - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:37:33 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Chery Red May Competition pretty tough stuff but maybe some of you can work it out? i'm trying....... Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (rly-xf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.229]) by air-xf01.mail.aol.com (v93.12) with ESMTP id MAILINXF13-279d3ebb89d92c9; Fri, 09 May 2003 06:58:33 -0400 Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (v93.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXF53-3f53ebb89cae0; Fri, 09 May 2003 06:58:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 22842 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 10:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO venus.nildram.co.uk) (195.112.4.9) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 9 May 2003 10:58:18 -0000 Received: (from web@localhost) by venus.nildram.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32418 for paulrabjohn@aol.com; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:58:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:58:18 +0100 Message-Id: <200305091058.LAA32418@venus.nildram.co.uk> Reply-to: admin@cherryred.co.uk To: paulrabjohn@aol.com From: admin@cherryred.co.uk Subject: Chery Red May Competition X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 This month's question coincides with the releases of the new Fall DVD (out on May 5th) What is the name of The Falls lead singer? To find out how to enter log on to www.cherryred.co.uk The closing date is the 31st May 2003. The winner will be the person whose correct entry is drawn from a large box in the corner of this office. That winner will then be able to choose two CDs from our online catalogue as reward. The winner of April's competition was Iain Hamilton from Swindon who correctly completed this Buzzcocks song title; Ever Fallen In Love (With Someone You Shouldnt ve)? we also accepted (Someone You Shouldnt ve Fallen In Love With)? Congratulations Iain! If you want to remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/picklist.htm and you can unsubscribe. All the best! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:17:12 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... A piece in today's Guardian on Lora Logic by Greil Marcus: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,951567,00.html Also a short review of Send: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,951657,00.html I'm getting increasingly pissed off about the bandying of the phrase 'Krautrock' around at the moment. Klang have been called Krautrock (presumably because of the name) but they sound like a three piece indy guitar band. I saw a band called Lomax last night (supporting The Rogers Sisters) who were called Krautrockish in Time Out magazine and they also sounded like a three piece indy guitar band. Now Send is called Krautrockish. I don't think it is really, although it's nearer the mark than Klang and Lomax. Thinking about this I suspect I need some keyboards somewhere in the mix to create that authentic sound, coupled with that motorik beat (which of course Mr Gotobed can deliver in spades). There also maybe something about a lot of Krautrock exponents being able to play their instruments pretty well (again Wire meet the criteria, although again Klang fall short). Really enjoyed The Rogers Sisters, who like all this year's groups have dipped back into the early 80s for inspiration but, unlike the others, alighted on the B-52s rather than Go4 or Joy Division (although they did a cover of Shadowplay to keep their hand in). Jennifer Rogers - a curious mix of girl next door hair and dress, many tattoos and bewitching eyes - is this week's Sexiest Woman in Rock, if I were considering such an accolade. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 07 May 2003 02:19 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... wow! fabulous. i never knew she reformed the band. i look forward to hearing that stuff too. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 5/6/03 2:55:29 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > >Essential Logic's retrospective compilation "Fanfare in >the Garden" will be out on two CD's June 6th, 2003. > >Essential Logic factsheet: >http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/factsheets/essentiallogic/ > >Essential Logic photos: >http://www.killrockstars.com/basement/photos.php/?band=Essential+Logic www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:28:24 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Postmen Yeah, that was a great double bill. If I have to plump for one it would be Larry Sanders which was as brilliant a comedy as has ever been broadcast but Seinfeld wasn't far behind. It never caught on over here, which rather makes me think that those who claim the superiority of the British public over the American when it comes to comedy haven't got a clue what they're talking about. I've been enjoying the first series of Curb Your Enthusiasm on digital channel BBC4 over the past few months - starring Larry David the creator of Seinfeld for those who haven't heard of it. Similar to Seinfeld in tone and plot entwinement but all improvised around a theme. Highly enjoyable. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of John Roberts > >Not too long ago BBC2 had a weekly double bill of Seinfeld and the Larry >Sanders Show... my favourite night in. Is Shandling doing anything new >these >days? I'd have said nowhere near as big as in the States. It went out at 11pm on BBC2 over here. Yes, it did go out as a double bill with Larry Sanders which was great. I think the Beeb thought that anyone who really wanted to see it would have already seen it on SkyTV. I have to admit to being a bit of a Seinfeld anorak. I've got every episode bar about half a dozen on video. I recently read the Larry Sanders book which seems to suggest a return. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:39:54 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whistle Test / Fall Dammit - missed the Whistle Test - what time was it on? I should be able to get a tape of it from 'media services'. I saw a copy of A Past Gone Mad in a shop today with a sticker on it stating 'as heard on some commercial called Hide and Seek' for some car or other' (or words to that effect). I must have been dozing - TV ads generally pass me by, but which Fall has been used on a car ad? Ian B np Angel (Vaisenan/Dresselhaus) rescued from the bargain shelves; - I think this CD is actually making me feel unwell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:41:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] dandies eXist green Not bad... BBC1: Dandy Warhols on Jonathan Ross later this evening followed by Cronenberg's eXistenZ and Fleisher's Soylent Green. Couchpotatoe time... *burp* Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:44:24 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... In a message dated 09/05/2003 18:09:11 GMT Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > > I Love A Man In Uniform > > Chris > > > Thank you for sharing this with us Chris. ;-) > > Bart > Goddamn it ! My secret is out.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:12:07 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... > Ian's right. Poptones was 'weedier' than I remembered too, but still great > somehow. That's one fab bassline... What I noticed were the bit dated guitar-effects: Cure-like flanger or something similar. Sadly Lydon didn't seem to be too inspired. Indeed I liked Wobble's bit best. >> Enjoyed Johnny Clarke's invisible girls - Hannett on bass (also sitting >> down), Vini Reilly on guitar, Dave Formula on keyboards. Who was the >> unfashionably moustachioed other guitarist though? > > Dunno. This was the other thing I was hoping for last night. Beasley Street > is a great track, which like PIL I remember from the new yr hilites show, > though personally I could have managed without the moustached one's > fretwanks towards the end. Used to like Beasley St. a lot, but now I got a bit bored after a few verses. JCC still alive? Think I'd never recognize him now. > We also got Linton Kwesi Johnson endlessly reciting..."England is a bitch, > there's no escaping it", and just to prove his point, they followed it with > Genesis performing Duchess. The intro was surprisingly pleasant in a OMD > sort of way, but then the 'song' began and our Phil started his inflicting > his lame moves on the nation. Has there ever been a worse front man? Comparable as they allways were I liked LKJ's performance much more than JCC's. Loved his tone-of-voice in "there's no escaping it". PC his own tailormade lower-than-low horrid little league. > As for the Fabulous Thunderbirds. No disrespect intended, but how could they > be the hilite of ANY year? Boooored me. have yerselves a pretty darn good weekend... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:13:15 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN!/ Brabant > But you're right. The dutch one is even called North-Brabant. Thnx for > ruining my otherwize perfect little joke, Glenn-the-man! ;-) So much for people who doubt the concept of European unity! > > cos everybody knows that the only way a Trabant could reach > > Brabant,(Netherlands), is on a tow-truck! ;) > Then how do you account for... THIS: http://www.trabantclub.nl When I get back from the toilet, I'll eat my humble pie :-) Glenn. > > Bart - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 03/05/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:19:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] happytree http://www.cc.ntut.edu.tw/~584ce047/05.swf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:36:07 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl - Revised Statement from Colin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > admittedly I'm not one of the people waiting, but I would have thought this > goes a long way... It does for me, especially since May 15th is less than a week away. > and the PF badge is pretty cool... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 01:27:13 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whistle Test / Fall In message <006301c31662$d938f2e0$d4b1fea9@fsnet.co.uk>, Ian B writes >I saw a copy of A Past Gone Mad in a shop today with a sticker on it >stating 'as heard on some commercial called Hide and Seek' for some car >or other' (or words to that effect). I must have been dozing - TV ads >generally pass me by, but which Fall has been used on a car ad? "Touch Sensitive" - first single from The Marshall Suite. Best Fall single in many a year. - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:29:17 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Postmen/Larry Sanders Larry Sanders has been airing on the Bravo cable channel during the past few months intermittently. Also on Bravo, I've seen a few episodes of a cleverly funny British comedy called "Spaced" (?). Another oddball comedy airing 'every-so-often' on HBO is Mr. Show with David Cross and Bob Odenkirk. http://www.bobanddavid.com/ And of course, the Canadian "Kids In The Hall" I don't remember how we've gotten to Larry Sanders on the WIRE discussion, but as a professional painter, I have to plug-in the Wire from my power Sander and electric Drill in order for it to work. It continues. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:47:59 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... http://www.cc.ntut.edu.tw/~584ce047/05.swf Thank you Bart!!!!!!!!! I needed that. I'm still wiping the tears from my eye. Ed ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #133 *******************************