From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #132 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 9 2003 Volume 06 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Send delay ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] Wireviews ["Magnetic North" ] [idealcopy] Send Arrived (San Francisco) [Norm Fasey ] [idealcopy] Wynn Send Trax at Noxagt ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Send delay >Paul >I'm in Leicester in the UK and I ordered the lp and cd in early March. I'm >still waiting. You would have thought that PE would have had the sense to >send out the cd to those who'd ordered even if the lp isn't there yet. Not >happy at all. >John I live in Bury (UK). I too ordered it early. I was most annoyed to find the Send CD on sale in a shop in Bolton last week. It seems that because I too ordered both CD and LP, I have to wait longer. Also, Carbon Disks are advertising the LP in their catalogue at #9.50! 50p cheaper! Don't know whether they have copies in stock yet. You'd have thought we'd at least have got an email sent out explaining the delay - I didn't realise there was one until I logged onto the web site to complain that my copies haven't come yet. rezMole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:28:12 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 just in case anyone hasn't noticed... tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:52:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 << just in case anyone hasn't noticed... tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... >> 1981? What happened to 1980???? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:02:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 << << just in case anyone hasn't noticed... tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... >> 1981? What happened to 1980???? Just checked BBC web site and it is indeed 1980. Phew! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:07:44 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 Yes, but did they ever actually show the 1980 edition? If they did somehow I missed it. And nobody on the list commented on it being shown either. Please don't say I missed the PiL footage again. Cheers John >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 >Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:28:12 +0100 > >just in case anyone hasn't noticed... > >tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:09:56 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whistle Test Years 1981/PostEverything Send delay Oh well - ignore my earlier mail on Whistle Test. Had this nice email from Posteverything today: Hi john Many apologies for the delay with your order. PostEverything was assured by Pinkflag that we would receive the vinyl version of the album in time to ship with the CD, just before the album hit the shops, and as you say, it is our policy to ship all items together. However, we discovered yesterday that we will not get the LP until May 15th. We are currently assessing our options, but the plan is that we will ship the CDs now, and the vinyl when we get it. The extra postage costs will be absorbed at this end, so you won't be charged more. All the customers who have received their CDs *only* ordered the CD, so we're not deliberately frustrating you! Expect to receive the CD very soon Thanks for your patience Tony >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: MarkBursa@aol.com, iansjackson@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:02:46 EDT > ><< << just in case anyone hasn't noticed... > tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... >> > > 1981? What happened to 1980???? > >Just checked BBC web site and it is indeed 1980. Phew! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:51:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 did the 1908 feature PIL after all? (I was away) > just in case anyone hasn't noticed... > > tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:52:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 sent last email too quickly! > << << just in case anyone hasn't noticed... > tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... >> > > 1981? What happened to 1980???? > > Just checked BBC web site and it is indeed 1980. Phew! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 112 Wire synchronicity # 112 Whilst taking the bus up to Stansted airport on the way home, I was just thinking about the drums on Comet, and how Robert doesn't replicate the 'double figure' (can't think of a better ,or, more musical expression) on the bass drum live. Then I glanced out the window,and we whizzed past a pub called The Comet... A little later I was ruminating about turning 40 next year. I looked out The Other Window just as we flew past a 40 sign, real split second stuff. Fergus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:15:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] youth on their side Someone (Ed?) sent a link to Evil sponge the other day... The review of the Suicide gig included the following... "And let me say that they look old. Really old. I mean, sure, they are from the late 70's, but i really thought that they looked awfully rough -- more than i would have suspected. I mean -- Wire didn't look that old, and Pere Ubu didn't look that rough. So i dunno -- i guess that's New York City living for you...." I'm sure that's comforting for any band members who may be reading! Keith NP Send ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:50:48 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] youth on their side << Someone (Ed?) sent a link to Evil sponge the other day... >> that would be me. i am the main writer/webmaster and the link is at the bottom of every email. and thanks for reading! any comments on the site are appreciated.... << The review of the Suicide gig included the following... I'm sure that's comforting for any band members who may be reading! >> quite honestly they looked like the type of crusty old guys who don't use something as new-fangled as a computer! PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:03:59 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews On the back-ground OGWT, high-lights John Cooper-Clark, Teardrop Explodes and a terrible announcement PEE AAI EL, I recognised on the Wireviews Graeme Rowlands interview from his Cracked Machine. And it's a good one. I have to take some more time for it. Half Eaten - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 18:03:09 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? You know, I did not order the vinyl. It finally did arrive yesterday and it was postmarked 24.04. The shitty thing is, so was the one that my buddy got over a week ago. It appears that mine was on the same truck that stopped by Ari's house in NC, then at Eric's house and Toronto on the way to my place in SLC. :) Customs may actually have played a part in my delay, which doesn't solve any of the Brit's woes. Anyways, happy to be a new Send owner. I am a big Mr. Marx's Table fan. Very unique sound for Wire imo. The Metro cd is particularly cool because it represents the first Wire gig I ever saw live. It was in Denver, but it was essentially the same set. The only difference was Graham not blowing his amp and the 5 minute Colin messing around on the guitar while Lewis tinkered with his hardware (anyone have a recording of that by the way?). I actually bought two copies. Trying to figure out what to do with the extra one... paulye Did you order vinyl? There's now a note at Posteverything asking all of us who ordered the vinyl to be patient. There's also a track listing for the vinyl: more tracks than the cd (but all released on eps); all tracks are edited versions. Michael Flaherty >From: "Paul Ye" >Subject: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? > >I ordered Send and received my confirmation mail rom Post Everything on 10 >Feb. And I am still waiting... Am I the only one left? (sniffling) If I >hear my mailman listening to it I am gonna really be pissed! > >paulye _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: [idealcopy] Send Arrived (San Francisco) Send Arrived - Wahoooo!! Got it last night and played it when I got home. I think the live version of 'Spent' on Metro, Chicago CD is brilliant!! It's got a certain energy that I can't quite put my finger on. I like the opening riff as well. Talking of San Francisco, is anyone on the list going to the gig in June? Norm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:57:19 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Wynn Send Trax at Noxagt Noxagt played in Manchester last night at a gig I was promoting, and it was a blast! If you get a chance to check out this great Norwegian drastic brutalist avant-metal hardcore trio then you'd be silly not to. I expected them to be good but they were probably the best band I've seen all year who didn't start before that most lovely of decades that we all reminisce so fondly about all day, the nineteen-aties. Noxagt play Dublin May 9th, then a couple more Irish dates before returning to the UK to play Birmingham, London and Brighton. www.noxagt.com Whilst Mild Man Jan set up his drills and vacuum cleaners to do a bit of post-Ventolin beatnoise, I played the last 3 tracks from 'send'. After he'd played the best solo gig I've seen him do and Noxagt set up I played the first couple of tunes from 'send.' Noxagt were efficient and came on as Colin sang, "Its too late to pray," which seemed appropriate. The punters got chucked out into the 'Nice Streets' as the evening was 'Spent'! What was slightly amusing to word punsters was that I played send trax and John Everall of the Sentrax label came to the Noxagt gig. He brought nice gifts of a droning Tactile 'Borderlands' CD which features a Jhon balance vocal on the first track. John used to write for The Wire and a few words of utter contempt for the magazine passed his lips. www.ndirect.co.uk/~john.sentrax Bilge Pump of Leeds 6 and Q-Car of Manchester also both played the best gigs I've yet witnessed from them. Tonight Steve Wynn was back in town with a five piece band who rocked out in a great gig taking in some ol'DS numbers such as Halloween & Boston and highlights of recent excellent albums. His UK tour continues until the weekend and his band is ON IT and then some. His former bandmate Chris Brokaw is playing in Evan Dando's combo the next day. The ol'raven LReed is also in town playing a drastically overpriced arty farty thingamebob, I guess I'll be giving that one a miss! www.chrisbrokaw.com Then I'm off to Brighton to see the Fat Cat night with Black Dice and David Grubbs. I was trying to sort out a gig in Manchester for Black Dice but it didn't happen. www.fat-cat.co.uk www.brighton-festival.org.uk Next day the Dirty Three tour kicks off. They are one of the best live bands on the planet right now, by turns hilarious, intense and beautiful, and I'm going to try to get to every date because they are that good! www.dirtythree.com I also saw Bill Drummond's pointless and pathetic wankerism exhibition at Manchester Cornerhouse. I guess it was vaguely amusing, but in the end the most interesting thing about it was the striking young lady attendant who was sat bored by the door. I'd rather go outside and look at the sky over Oxford Rd as it has more interesting things to say than Drill Bummond ever will. Maybe Drill Bummond should pay some of his listless sycophant frumpboys to do a new installation for him: the podges chop his body into many bits and his faithless assistant Billy Cunty can post them off to various importunate members of the art-fag scene who can then write him off as oh-so-passe because van goth already did that with the ear dear. But later on fat slags could sell the vaious organs and limbs etc off on ebay to retarded KLF fans (?) who have more monet then brainz. Off with their heads, lad! Drill Bummond can fuckin' pay me to take his vapid crappy cut up bits of canvas to the garbage!!! The only good thing to ever come out of the bleedin' KLF was the God Machine's cover of What Time Is Love! (and if CPLee ever fucks with Jim O'Rourke again, I'm gonna punch the boring ol'fuckwit out!) Call me old fashioned, but if I'm going to pay for art I'd rather pay for something that is of use to me. I have A LOT OF USE for WIRE Live at the Metro Newman says a month of mixing went into that gift, which is a hell of a lot more impressive than a daft stinky pad in a plastic bag. It needs a cover though... Maybe the Lewiseye and Newmangob from Mark Mcquitty's Flag Burning photo would make a good front and back? Fergus Kelly's image for 'Malka's Project' would also make a great sleeve. Fergus seems to have captured a fragment of WIRE aesthetic with that image. An amusing aside about Mark's excellent photos is that they make the perverse Chapman crap look way better than it actually was, yet it'd probably be nigh on impossible to do justice in word or image to the genius of Es Devlin's contribution to the continuing 'Pulsating Venus Off' thingy. Devlin's other stage designs are well worth a look! www.esdevlin.com I am all agreed that my 'Monkey Caught Stealing' was better than the Chapman Bros shitty found floundering aerobics video abortion. WIRE were way better playing in the hot Hoxton pub at the secret gig two days before Flag Burning. A review of this appears on this weeks Brain. www.brainwashed.com/brain Lewis informs me that there was absolutely no intention to sabotage the ol'Pink Flag. Was it a bit of an exercise? Did anyone fuse the Wiring in jolie Paris? Could anyone in the UK record Calla in session for Mixing It this weekend at 11pm on Radio 3? I'd love to record it but I'll be a bit too busy. I'd also love a copy of the Magic Band live from ATP on Peel if anyone could oblige. NP Steve Wynn - Static Transmission www.bluerose-records.com Trumans Water + I'm Being Good + Tsuri Giri Tmesis, Manchester June 5th Cracked Machine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Culture! Real Work!" (WIRE ~ Spent) "We're living in the last days" (Bongwater - Too Much Sleep) "Lets have another drink" (The Saints - Every Day's a Holiday, Every Night's a Party) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:05:48 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really In a message dated 5/8/03 2:50:30 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: >> My postman actually nicked some Punishment of Luxury tapes that our own >Uri >> Baran posted me. And a copy of The Wire magazine. And he used to conceal >> empty whisky bottles behind the communal plant pots. > > >"NEWMAN!" hehe. how big was/is seinfeld outside the u.s.? just curious paul (mulva?) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:08:20 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really >In a message dated 5/8/03 2:50:30 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > >>> My postman actually nicked some Punishment of Luxury tapes that our own >>Uri >>> Baran posted me. And a copy of The Wire magazine. And he used to conceal >>> empty whisky bottles behind the communal plant pots. >> >> >>"NEWMAN!" > >hehe. how big was/is seinfeld outside the u.s.? just curious > >paul (mulva?) c.d. of course, he could've been talking about colin ... if vic godard could wind up carrying the mail, who knows? dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:08:20 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Send delay In a message dated 5/8/03 4:58:25 AM, P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk writes: >#9.50! 50p cheaper! the live at the metro cd is certainly worth 12 times that! i can certainly understand the frustration over not receiving anything because of the vinyl delay though. not quite right. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:09:18 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] metro cd In a message dated 5/8/03 8:58:50 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > >It needs a cover though... > >Maybe the Lewiseye and Newmangob from Mark Mcquitty's Flag Burning photo >would >make a good front and back? i was thinking the same thing. i've been looking at all sorts of pics online...which brings me to this: is that guy patrick on this list? the one who has that web site with all the wonderful pics and audio and video! not sure why, but i'd never seen that site before. lots of great stuff. if for some reason anyone else doesn't know the site i'm talkin about: http://patrick.op.het.net.je/wire/ - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:12:51 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 113 John found out:-( <> The 15th ,huh. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:30:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: NEWMAN! way off topic, really >> "NEWMAN!" > hehe. how big was/is seinfeld outside the u.s.? just curious > paul (mulva?) c.d. I'd say pretty big. Here there's a show on (primetime) every day (and though I've seen 'em all I can't help to keep watching again). Not too long ago BBC2 had a weekly double bill of Seinfeld and the Larry Sanders Show... my favourite night in. Is Shandling doing anything new these days? > of course, he could've been talking about colin ... if vic godard could wind > up carrying the mail, who knows? Vic does that nowadays? Suppose that means that comeback didn't stick? Bart (they're real... and they're spectacular!) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #132 *******************************