From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #131 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Chicago Now! [Al Angen ] Re: [idealcopy] Arte Povera / 1 Chair refound? [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] No LP here either (was send still comin?!?) [=?iso-8859-1?q?M] [idealcopy] Uzine FRAGILE Review!!! [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] London at night [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] another pict [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] Barbie dolls ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? [Steve Loubert ] Re: [idealcopy] helium [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? [Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Now! It's gonna be great, I just can't wait. I have tickets for Wire in Chicago (both nights) and if I stay another two days I can see the Fall there as well. But I'll most likely leave the second Wire show and bust my way back to Minneapolis to see the Fall at First Avenue, my home port. It totally blows my mind that in 2003 I can see Wire and the Fall in the same week both touring to support new albums. It's a beautiful world. And if this weren't enough I received Send and the Club Metro disk in the mail few days ago. Fun. Thanks to those of you who pointed out both tours on this list!! It got me motivated to get tickets. Chicago Now!!! Arid Al http://www.weirdenergy.com/m/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:13:14 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Arte Povera / 1 Chair refound? >> i don't think a pile of bricks in the Tate Gallery was art either > i dunno, that could've been quite nice. i remember being somewhat overwhelmed > (by the sights, not the smells!) of the art povera (sp?) exhibit at > p.s.1...gosh darn, it was almost 20 years ago! anyway, piles of laundry under > glass, dirt under glass, etc. very beautiful. I like it too Paul. I think it's not the material or the simplicity of the artwork that counts, but the intelligence and creative talent of the artist. Just like Minimal Art, Arte Povera shows this excellently (not unlike what Wire does musically I might add). It actually was an primarily Italian thing during the 60's & 70's. Most famous became Giovanni Anselmo, Luciano Fabro, Mario Merz and Jannis Kounellis (who was greek btw). How about this one by Mendini (who later took a totally different direction with Alchemia/Memphis). It could well make a great Wire sleeve ("1 Chair refound?") http://tvujdum.cz/images_clanky/v_1837_4.jpg Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:20:22 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice >Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:44:23 EDT >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice > >In a message dated 5/6/03 8:39:16 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > > >> Raft Ants, along with Nice Streets and Trash/Treasure, has never been > > > >> played live. You probably heard the then-unreleased Mr Marx's Table > >i bought r&b02 at the gig last year. when i got home and played it, i >thought >trash/treasure sounded familiar. now hearing the live at the metro cd, i am >sure mr. marx's table was what i was remembering. raft ants has a similar >feel to r&b and germ ship. could see that having a familiar ring to it. > >- -paul (so what about the level drop on nice streets full version?) c.d. I definitely stand corrected with respect to "Raft Ants" being played. Thinking about it now, I probably confused the opening riffs of "Read & Burn" with "Raft Ants" when I listened to R&B 02 on the way home from the Wire gig. It's funny how sometimes we think we remember things at shows that we actually didn't hear. There were a couple of tracks that I recognized right off the bat: "Spent" and "99.9" (of course), but, when heard onstage for the first time, it was probably easy to confuse "Read & Burn" for something else (I say "Read & Burn" because I remember the song in question being played later in the gig instead of near the beginning). On the issue of "Nice Streets Above", I've grown into that song quite well. It reminded me of Ministry's The Land Of Rape And Honey at first, but I've decided that it is quite superior to even that. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:36:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond (reply to Bart) >> ????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?! Bart > Not literally,I have some really nice (original) art on my walls,my reference > was to Drill Bumm'ond burning a million pound when folk in his country are > starving,i also think it was an infantile act,i don't think a pile of bricks > in the Tate Gallery was art either,your stuff on the other hand IS art,and > from what the site would let me view,i liked a lot.Ari Ari, I was only saying "throat wobbler mangrove" back at ya! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:06:28 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall In message <113.22ea9040.2be99cbc@aol.com>, MarkBursa@aol.com writes >In 1987 I went to San Fransisco about a week after Wire played. Still, >got to see Chris& Cosey and SPK. What were SPK doing at that time? The only things I really know of them are from what I gather are opposite ends of the spectrum - i.e. that "Metal Dance" single, and the truly jaw-dropping "Slogun" from the Auto-Da-Fe (sp?) album. - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:32:38 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? Paul I'm in Leicester in the UK and I ordered the lp and cd in early March. I'm still waiting. You would have thought that PE would have had the sense to send out the cd to those who'd ordered even if the lp isn't there yet. Not happy at all. John >From: "Paul Ye" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? >Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:04:54 -0600 > >I ordered Send and received my confirmation mail rom Post Everything on 10 >Feb. And I am still waiting... Am I the only one left? (sniffling) If I >hear my mailman listening to it I am gonna really be pissed! > >paulye > > > >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:19:37 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dan wrote..... > >*does* raise the question of whether "first come first served" means >something entirely different in the uk than it does in the u.s. ... > >happily, i can now type the above without bitterness, my copy (ordered 4/29 >or thereabouts) having arrived just a few minutes ago. > >dan > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 05:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Mixing It interview Anyone got the Mixing It interview with Colin & Bruce on CD or tape ? I'm interested in exchanging something for a copy... Mail me off list. Thanks Fergus The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:03:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? << I'm in Leicester in the UK and I ordered the lp and cd in early March. I'm still waiting. You would have thought that PE would have had the sense to send out the cd to those who'd ordered even if the lp isn't there yet. Not happy at all. >> Same here. Those of us that have paid double are getting the worst service. Serves us right. Sad completist anorak bastards. There comes a point, however, where PE should swallow the extra postage costs of sending out two separate packages and get the CDs out. That time is now..... Mark :-( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:22:21 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] No LP here either (was send still comin?!?) I wait as well... MM - --- John Roberts wrote: > Paul > > I'm in Leicester in the UK and I ordered the lp and > cd in early March. I'm > still waiting. You would have thought that PE would > have had the sense to > send out the cd to those who'd ordered even if the > lp isn't there yet. Not > happy at all. > > John > > ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:22:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Uzine FRAGILE Review!!! http://www.dma.be/p/ultra/uzine/0306.htm ...Fragile by Yes that is! :-( Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:26:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall << What were SPK doing at that time? The only things I really know of them are from what I gather are opposite ends of the spectrum - i.e. that "Metal Dance" single, and the truly jaw-dropping "Slogun" from the Auto-Da-Fe (sp?) album. >> Very commercial stuff by their standards. Certainly a long way from the Surgical Penis Klinik days! They were touring an album called Gold & Poison, which is a reasonable bargain bin buy, but that's about all. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 05:53:59 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall SPK, or in daily life well-known as Graeme Revell had released before the mentioned Auto-Da-Fe some extreme dark ceedees. But they are good. There was a seven inch on Throbbing Gristle's Industrial rec. An album called Leichenschrei, And a mini-album called Seppuku. Later he made Zamia Lehmani, and one about a psychik man artist called Adolf Wvlfi. What he is doing at this moment. Making soundtracks for movies. There is one made with Dead Can Dance female singer Lisa Gerrard > >In 1987 I went to San Fransisco about a week after Wire played. Still, > >got to see Chris& Cosey and SPK. > > What were SPK doing at that time? The only things I really know of > them are from what I gather are opposite ends of the spectrum - i.e. > that "Metal Dance" single, and the truly jaw-dropping "Slogun" from > the Auto-Da-Fe (sp?) album. > > -- > Anthony Chapman - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 Wire synchronicity # 47 - When I got home from the Barbican, the glowing green digital clock on the cooker read 1:54 Fergus - ----------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:54:18 +0100 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 Don't tell me, when you looked in the front room there were some chairs missing, right? > -----Original Message----- > From: Fergus Kelly [SMTP:lockupyourhats@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:49 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 > > Wire synchronicity # 47 - > > When I got home from the Barbican, the glowing green > digital clock on the cooker read 1:54 > > > Fergus > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:04:33 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 05:54:18PM +0100, David Turnbull wrote: > Don't tell me, when you looked in the front room there were some chairs > missing, right? Yeah - and at first, when he got home, he felt in the pink - but later, due to tiredness, he started to flag... ... my goodness, that's possibly the worst pun I've ever perpetrated. Oh well. - - Andrew (listening to Four Tet - "Rounds") - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:08:53 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 have to say that 99.9 would've been even more impressive ... dan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fergus Kelly [SMTP:lockupyourhats@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:49 PM >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 >> >> Wire synchronicity # 47 - >> >> When I got home from the Barbican, the glowing green >> digital clock on the cooker read 1:54 >> >> >> Fergus >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> http://search.yahoo.com > > >BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > >This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically >stated. >If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do >not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the >BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will >signify your consent to this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:28:00 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Send delays >From: "Paul Ye" >Subject: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? > >I ordered Send and received my confirmation mail rom Post Everything on 10 >Feb. And I am still waiting... Am I the only one left? (sniffling) If I >hear my mailman listening to it I am gonna really be pissed! > >paulye Did you order vinyl? There's now a note at Posteverything asking all of us who ordered the vinyl to be patient. There's also a track listing for the vinyl: more tracks than the cd (but all released on eps); all tracks are edited versions. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:18:13 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ye If I > hear my mailman listening to it I am gonna really be pissed! > > paulye > My postman actually nicked some Punishment of Luxury tapes that our own Uri Baran posted me. And a copy of The Wire magazine. And he used to conceal empty whisky bottles behind the communal plant pots. Doesn't that 154 number just pop up everywhere! Ian B np Send (distortion on Being Watched too?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:51:53 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? In a message dated 5/7/03 4:31:26 PM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: >np Send (distortion on Being Watched too?) i noticed that too, but then there's plenty of distortion on the other songs so i am thinking it's intentional. nice streets is the one i find perplexing. the level drop at 15 secs in just doesn't seem right at all. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:54:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 47 In a message dated 5/7/03 1:10:30 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >have to say that 99.9 would've been even more impressive ... well, that was when he wanted to call in sick for work monday and took his temperature. was it enough to stay home? would he say yeah? would he say no? - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:16:40 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] London at night http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0304/london_iss_full.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:27:14 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] another pict this one I snapped after inhaling all the helium from a few balloons at the zoo one day http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0303/ europesunset_livingearth_big.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 23:40:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Barbie dolls > > And it's better than endless footage of step-aerobics ; > > But Keith ; > Not trying to start World War III but for a few minutes wasn't that just so > funny. Well it was for a few minutes! > In my humble opinion it did not work & I have to admit,I had expected > more.Yes I laughed at the start.We were all somewhat bedazzled by the live > aerobics at the end. I think we're pretty much in agreement here. And yeah, the live aerobics was a hilite! (That second version of PF was GREAT!) > Es Devlin's concept was well received I thought.The second half was much > more interesting from a stage performance perspective.It could have been alot > better.There was too much repetition for a staged show as it were.As someone > else said.Give me the atmosphere of Brighton's show last year where things > went wrong & the band members got involved with the audience. Agreed. In fact, I'll stop here. All this agreeing is boring ; ) (though I wouldn't have been averse to a longer second half - i.e. the whole of Send with no further 'effects'. Or is that just greedy?) Keit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:00:44 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? > << I'm in Leicester in the UK and I ordered the lp and cd in early March. > I'm > still waiting. You would have thought that PE would have had the sense to > send out the cd to those who'd ordered even if the lp isn't there yet. Not > happy at all. >> > > Same here. Those of us that have paid double are getting the worst service. > > Serves us right. Sad completist anorak bastards. > > There comes a point, however, where PE should swallow the extra postage costs > of sending out two separate packages and get the CDs out. > > That time is now..... > > Mark :-( Here's my current worst-case paranoid fantasy: By the time the vinyl shows up, all of the Metro CDs will be gone. Just a little cranky right now. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:03:03 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] helium > this one I snapped after inhaling all the helium from a few balloons at > the zoo one day > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0303/ > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0304/london_iss_full.jpg Quite the aerial photographer... lost the funny voice bit yet? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:49:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? > My postman actually nicked some Punishment of Luxury tapes that our own Uri > Baran posted me. And a copy of The Wire magazine. And he used to conceal > empty whisky bottles behind the communal plant pots. "NEWMAN!" B. http://tomsquotes.amhosting.net/sitcom/seinfeld/newman/newman.jpg ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #131 *******************************