From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #130 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received [Anthony Chapman ] [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond (reply to Bart) [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets [Jeremy Stevens ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Bill Drummond [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Ian McCulloch - Slideling ["Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond > It boils down to personal taste. I like Richard Long too, but I get more > enjoyment from Bill Drummonds work. > To pick three things Bill has done: > > 1. Persuaded Echo and The Bunnymen tour the UK by drawing rabbits ears on a > map and choosing venues along the lines > > 2. Burnt a Million Quid. > > 3. Got Tammy Wynette to sing "They're Justified, And their Ancient, and they > Drive and Ice Cream Van". Regardless of your views of the million quid episode, Bill Drummond at least livens the world up. So he's not sure what he's doing with the Long stuff - he's openly admitted that he's not been sure about why he's done things before, but I think there's a certain charm in that. Whilst I might stop short of calling him a genius, he's been one of the most interesting figures of the last 25 yrs. Quite apart from Tim's list above, he's also responsible for the following... Zoo Records - probably my all-time fave label (and therefore the man who discovered Julian Cope - and later wrote a catchy little ditty entitled Julian Cope is Dead). The KLF White Room LP. Brilliant. (And the lengthy OTT America remix of What Time Is Love is uttterly, utterly fab!) The TOTP performance for Justified & Ancient was one of the most memorable EVER!!! 'KLF Have Left the Music Business'. Wrote 45 which is one of the best books I've read in the last few years. I take it the Long picture in question is the one he talks about buying in his book for what he considered a lot of money. *Interesting* that this is what he should choose to do with it then... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:34:06 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond > When all the segments are sold, Drummond will go to the spot where Longs > stone circle is, and bury the money in box under the circle. He'll then take > a photo which will be called 'A Smell of Money Underground'. I like the irony (not as much as the silvery though) > I liked the Million Quid burning. Bill Drummond and money... a funny pair. Perhaps it comes down to a rich rockstar/producer who, uncomfortable with his new earnings clumsily & artfully tries to cleanse himself of the stain? > Better than shoving it up their noses like most rock stars. Nah, this comparison doesn't make it right, or fun, or good art. > Is it sadder or sillier than The Chapman Bros. adding their marks to the > Goya drawings? If you'd made the comparison with what the brothers have done at the Barbican I probably would have agreed, but their Goya-work truely makes great art, both conceptually as in pure draftsmanship. Imo they're in the same league here as biggies like Picasso or Warhol did reflect on arthistory... > I'm not an art expert. I just enjoyed the process, and I am happy with my > purchase. It will hang on my wall and give me great pleasure. > When I die, my kids can sell it to a KLF fan on Ebay. Good for you Tim. I don't mean to spoil the fun. Just interested in the discussion here. > Although he did a pretty good job of being a no.1 pop act. Sure thing. I liked what he did with the KLF a lot! >> It's like he wants to be a conceptual master or contemporary Beuys, >> but he doesn't convince me at all. > I don't think he's trying to be any of those things. Hmmm... I get the feeling he does! I mentioned Beuys earlier because I think Drummond, like Beuys, seems to have the pretention to uncover, emphasize and mystify various processes in the world. He only does this on the level of a smalltown advertising agency while on the other hand he feels the need to shout his findings from the rooftops. He should "Uriah Heep" himself up a little. > What are you asking him to convince you of? That, he as an artist is worth to be taken seriously. Even if he's jesting. > The whole thing was a bit ramshackle, confused and confusing. Their is no > great weighty concept, there is no morality tale. There isn't an emotional > element. I don't think Drummond is entirely sure what it is he is trying to > do I think we agree on this! > hence the ongoing debate/lecture tour thing. He had blu-tacked pages from > ripped from his book to the wall, and scribbled footnotes on them. Another > exhibit was leaning up against a wall in a carrier bag. Its messy and thats > why I liked it. Aesthetically speaking I can relate to that. > He fluffed it....like Bruce fluffed the guitar riff on 'The Lowdown' at > flag:burning until the first chorus. You mean like: mistakes can be beautiful/endearing? Damn, wish I could've been there. Rub it in! > It boils down to personal taste. Sure, but it can be fun though discussing these things, right? Just to keep us on our toes? > To pick three things Bill has done: > 1. Persuaded Echo and The Bunnymen tour the UK by drawing rabbits ears on a > map and choosing venues along the lines Pretty cool and very "W.S. Burroughs"! Reminds me of a wonderfull trip I made with a couple of friends (in 87?) in an old Peugeot 304 crossing through Morocco with similar at random > 2. Burnt a Million Quid. Damn, just as I was willing to judge less harshly... Again, what did he want to say with this gesture? Was it meant as an anti-kapitalistic statement? Was it the equivalent of bored rockstar's nosecandy? At who is he pulling his nose here? To me it just seems empty and perverse! (and I don't mean this as in healthy/kinky/whipping/perverse) > 3. Got Tammy Wynette to sing "They're Justified, And their Ancient, and they > Drive and Ice Cream Van". Again, pretty cool... I think I'm beginning to understand where his talents really lie. I say give the guy an editor, cos if he would stick to his strong points (no puns please) maybe I could even learn to like him. At least, the guy's not dull, I'll give you that much. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:06:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond article & photograph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2002/06/27/badrum27.xml "Drummond paid $20,000 for the work. He hung it on his bedroom wall but eventually grew tired of it" =============================================== The problem imo lies within the "grew tired of it" wich just oozes "spoilt yuppie"! Keith: > Regardless of your views of the million quid episode, Bill Drummond at least > livens the world up. So he's not sure what he's doing with the Long stuff - > he's openly admitted that he's not been sure about why he's done things > before, but I think there's a certain charm in that. The man ain't no bore, that's for sure, but a certain charm alone doesn't do it for me, not in art. > Whilst I might stop short of calling him a genius, he's been one of the most > interesting figures of the last 25 yrs. Quite apart from Tim's list above, > he's also responsible for the following... > Zoo Records - probably my all-time fave label (and therefore the man who > discovered Julian Cope - and later wrote a catchy little ditty entitled > Julian Cope is Dead). > The KLF White Room LP. Brilliant. (And the lengthy OTT America remix of What > Time Is Love is uttterly, utterly fab!) > The TOTP performance for Justified & Ancient was one of the most memorable > EVER!!! > 'KLF Have Left the Music Business'. > Wrote 45 which is one of the best books I've read in the last few years. Sure he's a popgenius! But in art he doesn't seem to know what he's doing, so why not stick to the field in wich he excels is what I say. > I take it the Long picture in question is the one he talks about buying in > his book for what he considered a lot of money. *Interesting* that this is > what he should choose to do with it then... "Let's burn this! Let's bury that!" It's laddishness. It's not enough! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:15:12 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond > fuck art.Ari ????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:20:29 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:33:16 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] sendless apprentice > >the disc appears to omit the encore(s), then. down in atlanta, i know, we >got lowdown, reuters & advantage in height, & if memory serves that >scenario >was pretty standard throught the tour. > >dan > It seems like I remember "Raft Ants" being played at the Atlanta show, but I may be wrong. I bought Read & Burn 02 at the Atlanta show and, when I put in my car afterwards, I recognized "99.9", "Spent", and "Raft Ants" immediately...but that may just be setlist confusion. Great show, though. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:16:32 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond > Sure he's a popgenius! But in art he doesn't seem to know what he's doing, > so why not stick to the field in wich he excels is what I say. I dunno. I don't differentiate to be honest. Whether it's leaving a carcass at the Brit Awards or this picture cutting up exercise, it's all just Bill Drummond to me. And it's better than endless footage of step-aerobics ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Bill Drummond edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > where exactly is this money going to be buried? I wouldn't get your hopes up. Drummond rarely finishes what he starts (witness the lack of a pyramid in Manchester, for example). Paul said: > and while burning 1mil quid may have amused me in > my youth, all i can think about now is how much > more impact can be made and how many more lives could > have been changed had he given that money to a > family (or person) who needed it. I'm not sure I agree, and he'd certainly have gotten no press. Of all the people that whinged about him burning the money, I wonder how many of them decided that day to send a load of money (or whatever they could afford) to charity, instead of buying a McDonald's, a new TV, or something else they didn't really need? Not many, I imagine. Ari said: > where's the 'art' in burning a million quid for fuck > sake.........ANY idiot could do that if they > were stupid enough,me,if i had that sort of money > to waste,i'd give it to the needy,fuck art. Well, it hadn't been done before, and it sparked at argument. As far as I'm concerned, it was a valid statement, and #1 million isn't much in the scheme of things. Besides, it was _his_ money; governments waste far more of _your_ money every single day. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:37:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice > >>It seems like I remember "Raft Ants" being played at the Atlanta show<< > > Raft Ants, along with Nice Streets and Trash/Treasure, has never been > played live. You probably heard the then-unreleased Mr Marx's Table, which > has been in the set since Bristol last year. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:50:47 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received In message <01c310ce$5ce62580$f9e75b0c@att.net.worldnet.att.net>, dan bailey writes >i of course stopped paying attention to the band after dare, but by >coincidence just came across (on the joy electric site, of all places) >a plug of their '95 album, octopus, as something of a return to their >pre-dare approach. anyone heard that one? Yeah... I think it's a great pop album, but personally I'd say it's more akin to "Dare" than the first two. - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:13:56 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican brochure.. Yes, I received mine as well. Thank you! MM __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:01:31 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond In a message dated 5/6/03 4:29:29 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << The KLF White Room LP. Brilliant. (And the lengthy OTT America remix of What Time Is Love is uttterly, utterly fab!) >> i must say, i am not a big fan of the White Room....kind of bland....but Chill Out on the otherhand...a classic RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:29:02 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire interview on Dutch Radio This evening there will be broadcast an interview with Wire on Dutch radio 3. Programm called HET LEK. There are possibilities to listen this programm by http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/shows.shtml?2534202 Free Speech and More Radio - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:58:56 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice >> >>It seems like I remember "Raft Ants" being played at the Atlanta show<< >> >> Raft Ants, along with Nice Streets and Trash/Treasure, has never been >> played live. You probably heard the then-unreleased Mr Marx's Table, which >> has been in the set since Bristol last year. >> >> Mark could well be. as it happens, i've got the mr marx's table lyrics sheet from the show hanging on my living room wall ... quick-fingered dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:43:24 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond If I pretend to burn play money, is it art? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:54:40 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... ____________________________________________________ ESSENTIAL LOGIC MP3's ____________________________________________________ Formed in 1978, Essential Logic drew a group of (male) supporting players around Lora Logic's (ex-X-Ray Spex) explorations of a sumptuous blend of jazz, punk, beat poetry and squalling. To say ?she broke new ground? doesn?t come near it: how about ?she colonised a new planet?. The first EL single, was ?Aerosol Burns? (1978) a furious stomp combined with what might be a tirade against domesticity but who really knows? 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Essential Logic factsheet: http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/factsheets/essentiallogic/ Essential Logic photos: http://www.killrockstars.com/basement/photos.php/?band=Essential+Logic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:57:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond In a message dated 5/6/03 7:45:31 PM GMT Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > If I pretend to burn play money, is it art? > Ed > > /////as bill ascertained whilst trying to flog the ashes of #1m of > photocopied notes (only kidding bill !) , its only art if the artist has a > training in classical art. this has always been my problem too , but that's > another story........p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:16:37 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets - ----- Original Message ----- From: but on first listen to > the newly mixed nice streets it seems there's something going on that's not > quite right. is it supposed to sound like the levels are fucxed up, going up > and down and stuff? > I wondered that too on first listen (and I've not had chance for many more). I don't *think* it's my gear. Overall, the album's brilliantly paced, and I'm enjoying the R+B stuff in their new contexts (Agfers comes out of this extremely well). Still, a bit tricky trying to get that 'new album' perspective when so much of it is familiar, despite starving myself of 1 and 2 for a while in advance. IanB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:23:18 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets >----- Original Message ----- >From: >but on first listen to >> the newly mixed nice streets it seems there's something going on that's >not >> quite right. is it supposed to sound like the levels are fucxed up, going >up >> and down and stuff? >> >I wondered that too on first listen (and I've not had chance for many more). >I don't *think* it's my gear. >Overall, the album's brilliantly paced, and I'm enjoying the R+B stuff in >their new contexts (Agfers comes out of this extremely well). Still, a bit >tricky trying to get that 'new album' perspective when so much of it is >familiar, despite starving myself of 1 and 2 for a while in advance. >IanB same here -- actually, i've played the live disc more, mainly because of its particularly ferocious version of art of stopping & the inclusion of 2 of my favorite non-album r&b tracks, germ ship & i don't understand. & no, it's not your gear ... or if it is, it's mine, too. (well, actually i've played the disc only on my bedroom ghetto blaster, not my stereo, but still ...) dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:49:01 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets & while i realize it's merely a function of the design & color scheme, the old anarchopunk in me couldn't help feeling delighted by the black flag featured on the back cover ... dan >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>but on first listen to >>> the newly mixed nice streets it seems there's something going on that's >>not >>> quite right. is it supposed to sound like the levels are fucxed up, going >>up >>> and down and stuff? >>> >>I wondered that too on first listen (and I've not had chance for many >more). >>I don't *think* it's my gear. >>Overall, the album's brilliantly paced, and I'm enjoying the R+B stuff in >>their new contexts (Agfers comes out of this extremely well). Still, a bit >>tricky trying to get that 'new album' perspective when so much of it is >>familiar, despite starving myself of 1 and 2 for a while in advance. >>IanB > >same here -- actually, i've played the live disc more, mainly because of its >particularly ferocious version of art of stopping & the inclusion of 2 of my >favorite non-album r&b tracks, germ ship & i don't understand. > >& no, it's not your gear ... or if it is, it's mine, too. (well, actually >i've played the disc only on my bedroom ghetto blaster, not my stereo, but >still ...) > >dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond (reply to Bart) Bart van Damme wrote: > fuck art.Ari ????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?! Bart Not literally,I have some really nice (original) art on my walls,my reference was to Drill Bumm'ond burning a million pound when folk in his country are starving,i also think it was an infantile act,i don't think a pile of bricks in the Tate Gallery was art either,your stuff on the other hand IS art,and from what the site would let me view,i liked a lot.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond (response to Ed) Ed Special wrote: Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond From: Ed Special To: "wire-news" If I pretend to burn play money, is it art? Ed 'pretend' to burn 'play money' methinks bill drummond fans would think you're only playing at being pretendtous......but i'd certainly consider pretending to buy it.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:48:07 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond to Ari Ed Special wrote: If I pretend to burn play money, is it art? Ed Ari wrote: 'pretend' to burn 'play money' methinks bill drummond fans would think you're only playing at being pretendtous......but i'd certainly consider pretending to buy it. Ari Okay, but I'll only pretend to sell it to you if you use play money. It has to be exact play. I have no play change. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:50:50 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall Isn't that bloody typical. I shall be staying in Cornwall for a week this summer only about 10 miles from the Eden Project and will it be while Peej is playing? No, it will be while Badly Drawn Sodding Boy and Moby are on. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 02 May 2003 19:06 PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall P J Harvey confirmed today that she will perform a headline show on August 15th at the spectacular Eden Project in Cornwall. The show will form part of the Eden Sessions series which will also see performances by Badly Drawn Boy (August 1st), Moby (August 5th) and WOMAD (August 22nd). Tickets will be on-sale from May 7th and will be available from The Eden Project (01726 811927 or www.edenproject.com) and Wayahead 0871 220 0260. All proceeds from the concerts will be donated to the Eden Trust registered charity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:53:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] wire referenced in review, so not so off-topic... I shall be seeing The Rogers Sisters on Thursday. Not much Wire evidence on the album though. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 04 May 2003 16:33 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] wire referenced in review, so not so off-topic... thought the following might be of some interest to folks in the u.k. who aren't already familiar with the rogers sisters music, or that they're touring over your way right now. cheers, paul (yo brooklyn!) c.d. >Rogers Sisters, The - Purely Evil 2003, Troubleman Unlimited > >Coming at you like the East Village B-52bs, raised on a diet of Wire, Joy >Division and Gang of Four; visits to the Knitting Factory; and back alley >basement no wave benders, NYCbs most danceable punk/skronk/funk-affected >three piece have hashed out what can best be described as a flawless debut. >Classic art-affected punk rock that runs on funk-laden bass lines, slashing >guitar tones and intellectually bratty vocals, topped of with a biting >sarcasm and melodic charm. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:55:12 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall In a message dated 5/6/03 10:51:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > No, it will be while Badly Drawn Sodding Boy and > Moby are on. > /////interesting debate over who would be worse , not much between them. can't see me dragging myself down there (much as i like peej) but the eden project is supposed to be well worth a look and with a gig as well............. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:02:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall I saw Moby during his hard rock phase before he got famous, headlining at the Camden crawl. Not an experience I'd like to repeat. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 06 May 2003 22:55 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall In a message dated 5/6/03 10:51:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > No, it will be while Badly Drawn Sodding Boy and > Moby are on. > /////interesting debate over who would be worse , not much between them. can't see me dragging myself down there (much as i like peej) but the eden project is supposed to be well worth a look and with a gig as well............. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:55:07 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire climbs charts We, that is in the Netherlands have the Moordlijst (Murder-charts). A list of 20 records compiled by journalist, radio-men, etc. And what is happening this week. The highest new record is: SEND on 11. Their site http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/journalism/index.shtml? 2534202+2584688+2584508+11860891 p.s. The interview is not long. but: CN about reincarnation. I think I have already lived 4 lifes CN never experienced financial security. CN about Work? I think I become absolutely petrified becoming irrelevant CN to be 20 again: Youth is wasted on the young. (Oscar Wilde) Indeed that's why I have great respect for these men. Hopefully Send gives them some breath for... Jan J - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:45:13 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond In a message dated 06/05/2003 12:16:31 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > And it's better than endless footage of step-aerobics ; But Keith ; Not trying to start World War III but for a few minutes wasn't that just so funny. Wire's Pink Flag reduced to a step exercise.It begs the question 'Could most music be boxed like that'.Stockhausen may be pushing it - but you know what I mean ! What were the Chapman Brothers saying ? The whole album is a dirge of sound & 30 minutes of aerobic dancing with similar clips for each track is a suitable epitaph for it ? Bring them on to explain. It did look cheap after a while.I could have done it.much better. In my humble opinion it did not work & I have to admit,I had expected more.Yes I laughed at the start.We were all somewhat bedazzled by the live aerobics at the end. How would I have done it? Get in touch Wire. How would listers have done it better? Es Devlin's concept was well received I thought.The second half was much more interesting from a stage performance perspective.It could have been alot better.There was too much repetition for a staged show as it were.As someone else said.Give me the atmosphere of Brighton's show last year where things went wrong & the band members got involved with the audience. Wire made no comment at all at The Barbican.Ok that may be art mixed with music & the venue but there was no soul there.Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed the experience after all is said & done.What did we expect? This is Wire! If they walked on & said 'Thanks For Your Money' & fucked off we would still have gone & seen them again. The second half was also very short.I too walked out bemused whereas at Brighton they played encores. It was still fascinating & enjoyable to meet with the truly IC massive. It must have been hot in those boxes in the second half of the show ! My copy of Send & the vinyl has not yet arrived in East Anglia. Grrr NP KLF - The White Room In my car - Graeme Rowlands tape he kindly did for me featuring Nurse With wound & other artists. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:48:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall In a message dated 5/6/03 5:03:29 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > I saw Moby during his hard rock phase before he got famous, headlining > at the Camden crawl. Not an experience I'd like to repeat. > > Another the Keith > > amen to that....Moby sucks eggs...his zenith being the monsterous "Thousand" which was a blast of a closer during his early small venue tours with Richie Hawtin's Cybersonik and The Prodigy (another group who sucks royal eggs now).. Robert np - Coil Live at ATP 2003 Camber Sands ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:18:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall > Isn't that bloody typical. I shall be staying in Cornwall for a week > this summer only about 10 miles from the Eden Project and will it be > while Peej is playing? No, it will be while Badly Drawn Sodding Boy and > Moby are on. > In 1987 I went to San Fransisco about a week after Wire played. Still, got to see Chris& Cosey and SPK. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:32:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice > >>could well be. as it happens, i've got the mr marx's table lyrics sheet > from > the show hanging on my living room wall ...<< > > I got the Ally in Exile and He Knows... ones from Edinburgh. Historic > documents, especially Ally, which was only aired the once. He knows is a > Lewis epic. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:04:54 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] send still comin?!? I ordered Send and received my confirmation mail rom Post Everything on 10 Feb. And I am still waiting... Am I the only one left? (sniffling) If I hear my mailman listening to it I am gonna really be pissed! paulye Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:19:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dan wrote..... *does* raise the question of whether "first come first served" means something entirely different in the uk than it does in the u.s. ... happily, i can now type the above without bitterness, my copy (ordered 4/29 or thereabouts) having arrived just a few minutes ago. dan _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 01:16:02 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets on 6/5/03 8:49 pm, dan bailey at dpbailey@worldnet.att.net wrote: > the > old anarchopunk in me couldn't help feeling delighted by the black flag > featured on the back cover ... LOL me too! especially when i saw what;s his face doing some jock smash 'em up car thing on telly the other night. Oh how the mighty have fallen whilst others (wire) rise! Jez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Bill Drummond In a message dated 5/6/03 7:55:12 AM, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: >Paul said: >> and while burning 1mil quid may have amused me in >> my youth, all i can think about now is how much >> more impact can be made and how many more lives >could >> have been changed had he given that money to a >> family (or person) who needed it. > >I'm not sure I agree, and he'd certainly have gotten >no press. really? either act would get about the same amount of initial press here in the states, and although the money burning would result in a fair amount of criticism from the tv viewing public, the act of charity would have a more lasting effect. >Of all the people that whinged about him >burning the money, I wonder how many of them decided >that day to send a load of money (or whatever they >could afford) to charity, instead of buying a >McDonald's, a new TV, or something else they didn't >really need? Not many, I imagine. probably not. but that's more my point. being charitable seems more contagious. did anyone who applauded his art go out and burn or destroy something? bottom line is it's his art, and he can make whatever statement he wants however he wants. i think the bunnymen tour thing was great. the money burning idea just doesn't sit right with me. - -paul (glad i have r&b02 now that i also have send +live at the metro) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:41:19 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Ian McCulloch - Slideling I went ahead and bought the new Ian McCulloch solo album, Slideling, today, although I'm still enjoying the Wire album quite well. Turns out the Ian McCulloch's Slideling is an unexpectedly good solid work and I'm on my third listen tonight. For my money, Ian McCulloch is the best rock vocalist out there and it's good to hear him mature a bit in his approach. Slideling is slower and reflective, in the vein of the past two Echo And The Bunnymen albums, and Ian crones a bit like Lou Reed on a couple of songs. Chris Martin and Jonny Buckland from Coldplay guest on a couple of songs ("Sliding" and "Arthur"), but are soundly upstaged by Mr. Cool Ian himself. Yeah, I highly recommend this album. My loyalties will probably always be with Ian McCulloch's first solo album, Candleland, but this new album is better than Mysterio. Ian McCulloch is playing eight dates here in the U.S. this summer. Unfortunately, Atlanta is not one of those dates. I did see Echo And The Bunnymen a year and half ago, though, and can't recommend their show enough if you get a chance. Hate to spring this recommendation on y'all right when everyone has just receieved Wire's Send, but it's definitely worth looking into. Jason _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:44:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: sendless apprentice In a message dated 5/6/03 8:39:16 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >> Raft Ants, along with Nice Streets and Trash/Treasure, has never been > >> played live. You probably heard the then-unreleased Mr Marx's Table i bought r&b02 at the gig last year. when i got home and played it, i thought trash/treasure sounded familiar. now hearing the live at the metro cd, i am sure mr. marx's table was what i was remembering. raft ants has a similar feel to r&b and germ ship. could see that having a familiar ring to it. - -paul (so what about the level drop on nice streets full version?) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:19:28 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... wow! fabulous. i never knew she reformed the band. i look forward to hearing that stuff too. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 5/6/03 2:55:29 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > >Essential Logic's retrospective compilation "Fanfare in >the Garden" will be out on two CD's June 6th, 2003. > >Essential Logic factsheet: >http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/factsheets/essentiallogic/ > >Essential Logic photos: >http://www.killrockstars.com/basement/photos.php/?band=Essential+Logic www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:29:22 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Bill Drummond (reply to Bart) In a message dated 5/6/03 4:26:33 PM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: >i don't think a pile of bricks in the Tate Gallery was art either i dunno, that could've been quite nice. i remember being somewhat overwhelmed (by the sights, not the smells!) of the art povera (sp?) exhibit at p.s.1...gosh darn, it was almost 20 years ago! anyway, piles of laundry under glass, dirt under glass, etc. very beautiful. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #130 *******************************