From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #126 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 3 2003 Volume 06 : Number 126 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Send Received ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] An Edinburgh Drill [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: New Cracked Machined Wire Interview? [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Send Received ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy] URI....... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall [PaulRabjohn@aol.c] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:31:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received > Its not a remix LP. > Its a live show which I think Colin has polished up in Swim Studios > (although not as much as IBTABA) > > Its worth having, if only to hear Wire translate the > processed/sequenced/sampled music on Send into a blistering live > performance. Definitely worth having, Rick - particularly the opening 99.9. Awesome!!! BTW, chastise me if I'm speaking out of turn, but has there been any mention here of the Wire gig that took place a few days before the Barbie gig. I don't think it's any big secret, but as I wasn't there myself, perhaps someone who was could do the necessary! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:33:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: THIS CORROSION You may recall I persuaded a lapsed Wire fan to get R&B. Needless to say, he was so taken with it he sent off for 02 & Send. This is what he had to say... > Received my 2 new Wire albums (R&B02 & SEND) throught the post on Weds. > Not had a real chance to sink my teeth into them properly, but 02 sounds > ridiculously fierce - akin to its predecessor, but, somehow, more corrosive > and acidic. I always think if 01 has a movie-equivalent, it would have to > be Ben Kingsley's astonishing character, Don Logan, from the ace SEXY BEAST > - There is the same ferocious level of oblique malevolence ("Friday ... > The Grosvenor ... You'll be there! ... YES, YES, YES, YES ... " even sounds > like a Wire lyric!) and capacity for violence. 02's cinematic doppelganger > would have to be that nasty piece of cyborg-work from the first ROBOCOP > film (" You have 20 seconds to comply ... "). Only had about 3 spins, so I > don't think it's as good as 01 yet - but it's already getting there. > > Playing SEND is a bit weird, because of knowing most of it from the other > sources, but 1 play confirms that the track order has been well structured, > and the new songs sound really good. Can't believe it will be anything > other than excellent. > > Also received a free, Live in Chicago CD which is pretty good, too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:39:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy]REM > The web site for Utrecht June 21 and Amsterdam June 22 is as follows: > https://tickets.lvp.nl/res.php?vn=7505&origin=162 Thnx for this Mark. The Utrecht gig sadly is sold out, The Tivoli there is a great intimate little big venue. Would have loved to see REM there. Sonic Youth were magnificent there during the Dirty tour. Perhaps I'll go for the bigger A'dam gig. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:22:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An Edinburgh Drill In a message dated 5/2/2003 12:53:47 AM GMT Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > > what was with the nice streets sample from the live recording of > > drill? who > > was at this gig (edinburgh) and could describe the performance of drill? > > apparently not an instrumental version as was being performed in 2000. > > I wasn't at edinburgh, but the version of Drill that Wire peformed at the > All Tommorows Parties event in 2000 was instrumental mostly but Colin > bobbing next to the mike, teasing the crowd until finally hollering one > line > of the song "Could this be a DRILL..." at which point they dropped the > beats, and then kicked back in again...and Graham did some screaming as > well. > It was a straight instrumental, ending with a final shouted "Could this be a drill!?!" The 'Nice Streets Above' bit from NSA could be taken from that - sliced and spliced but could the "verse" (cut-up Colin gabling like a nutter) be likewise taken from Colin's spoken intro to the track? Drill was the Edinburgh encore, and on returning to the stage Mr N spoke thusly: "We don't do requests" then "You can't smoke backstage, but you can smoke onstage. That's the only reason we've come back on" Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:06:14 -0400 From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: New Cracked Machined Wire Interview? Graeme posted there was a new Wire interview on his site, and although Tim seems to have read it, I can't seem to find it on the site. Can anyone point me to a direct link? Thanks in Advance ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:19:15 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received I've only listened to Metro once through, but I really enjoy it. As someone else here mentioned, it's a live album with some post-recording polishing in the studio. It's loud enough and raw enough, though, to remind me of the near-identical Atlanta show. My hair still stands up on the back of my head when I think about hearing "99.9" for the first time at the Atlanta show. Most of my listening time has been going to Send during the past day, but I'll have more comments on Metro later on when I do listen again. Great stuff. >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: Santa Cruzer >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received >The main difference would be the Metro CD, which I >haven't heard anyone mention on the list yet. I recall >the word 'remix' connected to it, and remix albums are >very low on my list of musical interests (somewhere >between 'Best of..' and tribute albums). > >So any reviews on it??? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:27:51 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received The review of Send in the Stomp And Stammer issue is quite good. I picked up a copy of the 'zine at the Camper Van Beethoven show a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, hopefully your copy of Send/Metro will arrive soon. I personally didn't expect to get mine this week. In fact, I stopped at Criminal Records here in Atlanta on the way home from work yesterday and picked up the 2002 reissue of The Human League - Dare to listen to this weekend (insert laughter and finger pointing here, I guess, but I think that Dare is a very good album) and was surprised to see my copy of Send in the mailbox when I got home. I guess that the Human League reissue will gather dust for a short time while I listen to Send and Metro. Completely off topic: I saw Maserati in concert last night in East Atlanta. Maserati is a "post-rock" Athens, GA band that can probably best be described as a combination of Mogwai, Slint, and instrumental U2. In fact, imagine U2's The Unforgettable Fire without vocals and the sound is not far off from Maserati. If any of you happen to spot Maserati's 2002 album, The Language Of Cities, I can't recommend it enough. Good instrumental music for working at the computer, driving, etc. Jason >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:14:00 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received > > >I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th September 2002 in the >mail > >today here in Atlanta. > >& here i sit, some 180 miles away from you, still de-send-setized. oh, >well, >maybe the discs are indeed being sent out in accordance with when they were >ordered -- i didn't put in for one till 3/29, i see by my old e-mail. >oddly, >i gather that stores aren't being made to wait till after all the >mail-order >copies are dispatched ... > >speaking of atlanta & send, good review in the new stomp & stammer, which i >picked up this evening at my neighborhood indie store (along with, out of a >ssense of loyalty, the new cramps cd). if it's not available on-line >somewhere, i'll type it up later ... > >dan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:45:56 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Somebody was asking about the A-Frames? Hi everyone, There was a question on IdealCopy about the A-Frames. The question mentioned that they were a Seattle band. I remember thinking at the time "Funny - if they're a Seattle band, I probably should have heard of them." (^_^) Well, they just got a nice review in the local weekly newspaper The Stranger: http://www.thestranger.com/current/stranger_suggests.html A-Frames (MUSIC) Goddamn--the new A-Frames record, 2, is so good. The local trio play angular post-punk touched by a bit of Joy Division and the Fall, and their second release pulses with clinical/robotic rhythms underwired with a dark, brooding sensuality. They are brawn and brain in one band, and tonight is their celebratory record (read: vinyl) release party. See them while you can, before one of Seattle's best acts goes cross-country touring on us. (Zak's, 206 Fifth Ave N, 448-0961, 9:30 pm, $5.) JENNIFER MAERZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:49:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received >The review of Send in the Stomp And Stammer issue is quite good. I picked >up a copy of the 'zine at the Camper Van Beethoven show a couple of weeks >ago. > >Yeah, hopefully your copy of Send/Metro will arrive soon. I personally >didn't expect to get mine this week. In fact, I stopped at Criminal >Records here in Atlanta on the way home from work yesterday and picked up >the 2002 reissue of The Human League - Dare to listen to this weekend >(insert laughter and finger pointing here, I guess, but I think that Dare is >a very good album) i rate it pretty highly myself, though i've always thought the mega-hit don't you want me pales in comparison to several other tracks, particularly seconds, sound of the crowd, i am the law ... dan and was surprised to see my copy of Send in the mailbox >when I got home. I guess that the Human League reissue will gather dust >for a short time while I listen to Send and Metro. > > >Completely off topic: >I saw Maserati in concert last night in East Atlanta. Maserati is a >"post-rock" Athens, GA band that can probably best be described as a >combination of Mogwai, Slint, and instrumental U2. In fact, imagine U2's >The Unforgettable Fire without vocals and the sound is not far off from >Maserati. If any of you happen to spot Maserati's 2002 album, The Language >Of Cities, I can't recommend it enough. Good instrumental music for >working at the computer, driving, etc. > > >Jason > > >>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:14:00 -0500 >>From: "dan bailey" >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received >> >> >I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th September 2002 in the >>mail >> >today here in Atlanta. >> >>& here i sit, some 180 miles away from you, still de-send-setized. oh, >>well, >>maybe the discs are indeed being sent out in accordance with when they were >>ordered -- i didn't put in for one till 3/29, i see by my old e-mail. >>oddly, >>i gather that stores aren't being made to wait till after all the >>mail-order >>copies are dispatched ... >> >>speaking of atlanta & send, good review in the new stomp & stammer, which i >>picked up this evening at my neighborhood indie store (along with, out of a >>ssense of loyalty, the new cramps cd). if it's not available on-line >>somewhere, i'll type it up later ... >> >>dan > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:56:08 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received In a message dated 5/2/03 10:53:39 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << i rate it pretty highly myself, though i've always thought the mega-hit don't you want me pales in comparison to several other tracks, particularly seconds, sound of the crowd, i am the law ... dan >> of course, but nothing that they've ever done compares to the Reproduction and Travelogue LPS... np - "I'm Your Money" by Heaven 17 RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 18:07:08 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received At last... it has arrived in the Netherlands too! It's going to be a very Wirey weekend! :-)))) Wish you all a good one too! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] URI....... .........contact me..............Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:37:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic Review of Send from this weeks nme. Only a measley 7 out of ten and no mention of Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 'rock'n'roll films'. Bah bloody humbug... Back in 1977, Wire were pilloried for looking more like geography teachers than punk rockers, but a generation on from their debut Pink Flag - later shamelessly ransacked by Blur and Elastica - this London quartet demonstrate their endurance. According to frontman Colin Newman, Wire is "a creature of whatever time it is conducted in" - so, after a decade away, Send acknowledges that rock rules anew. It sounds less futuristic than retro-futuristic; it's chrome clean exterior dirtied by grimy distortion. But this industrial noise is about celebration - and it shimmers with Wire's alien logic; "We are the audience" testifies Newman on Being Watched, "and you are the star". (Louis Pattison) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:10:53 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic >Review of Send from this weeks nme. Only a measley 7 out of ten and no mention >of Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 'rock'n'roll films'. Bah >bloody humbug... which reminds me that i've been wanting to see that flick for eons now ... something tells me, though, that any vhs &/or dvd versions are incompatible with u.s. systems. *sigh* dan > >Back in 1977, Wire were pilloried for looking more like geography teachers >than punk rockers, but a generation on from their debut Pink Flag - later >shamelessly ransacked by Blur and Elastica - this London quartet demonstrate >their endurance. > >According to frontman Colin Newman, Wire is "a creature of whatever time it is >conducted in" - so, after a decade away, Send acknowledges that rock rules >anew. It sounds less futuristic than retro-futuristic; it's chrome clean >exterior dirtied by grimy distortion. But this industrial noise is about >celebration - and it shimmers with Wire's alien logic; "We are the audience" >testifies Newman on Being Watched, "and you are the star". > >(Louis Pattison) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:15:00 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Send Received >In a message dated 5/2/03 10:53:39 AM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< i rate it pretty highly myself, though i've always thought the mega-hit > don't you want me pales in comparison to several other tracks, particularly > seconds, sound of the crowd, i am the law ... > > dan >> > > >of course, but nothing that they've ever done compares to the Reproduction >and Travelogue LPS... i rate travelogue tops -- reproduction has always seemed a little cold-blooded (even for the genre) to me, plus of course it's not helped at all by including a disappointingly faithful cover of a song i've long hated, you've lost that loving feeling. have you heard the golden hour of the future collection of '70s demos & such? quite interesting. i of course stopped paying attention to the band after dare, but by coincidence just came across (on the joy electric site, of all places) a plug of their '95 album, octopus, as something of a return to their pre-dare approach. anyone heard that one? dan > >np - "I'm Your Money" by Heaven 17 > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:01:48 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic In a message dated 5/2/03 5:38:55 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Review of Send from this weeks nme. Only a measley 7 out of ten and no > mention > of Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 'rock'n'roll films'. > Bah > bloody humbug... /////top 10 r'n'r films , eh ; i take it it was a pretty slow week in the NME office? does anybody really take that paper seriously any more? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:05:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall might be fun? Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILINYB44-38c83eb2b169b4; Fri, 02 May 2003 13:56:57 -0400 Received: from ns.digicc.net (ns.digicc.net [64.29.31.41]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v93.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB58-1a23eb2b15431b; Fri, 02 May 2003 13:56:37 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns.digicc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA21348; Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:47 GMT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:47 GMT Message-Id: <200305021910.TAA21348@ns.digicc.net> X-Authentication-Warning: ns.digicc.net: nobody set sender to pjlist@pjharvey.net using -f To: paulrabjohn@aol.com From: PJ Harvey Mailing List Subject: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall P J Harvey confirmed today that she will perform a headline show on August 15th at the spectacular Eden Project in Cornwall. The show will form part of the Eden Sessions series which will also see performances by Badly Drawn Boy (August 1st), Moby (August 5th) and WOMAD (August 22nd). Tickets will be on-sale from May 7th and will be available from The Eden Project (01726 811927 or www.edenproject.com) and Wayahead 0871 220 0260. All proceeds from the concerts will be donated to the Eden Trust registered charity. Click on the link below to be removed from the PJ Harvey Mailing List mailing list. http://pjharvey.net/cgi-bin/subscribe.cgi?paulrabjohn@aol.com Proudly powered by Subscribe Me Lite (http://www.cgiscriptcenter.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:10:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic > >>Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 'rock'n'roll films'. Bah > bloody humbug...<< More importantly, no Superfly. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:13:37 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall >>might be fun?<< Is she still sporting her Xena, Warrior Princess look? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:09:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic > > Review of Send from this weeks nme. Only a measley 7 out of ten and no mention > > of Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 'rock'n'roll films'. > > Bah bloody humbug... > paul p... > /////top 10 r'n'r films , eh ; i take it it was a pretty slow week in the NME > office? TOP 100!!! Includes - and I pick at random! - Seven, The Matrix, the Wizard of Oz, The Searchers and Seventh Seal alongside more obvious choices like A Hard Days Night. mark >More importantly, no Superfly. Importantly? ; ) Still at least it was in the soundtracks list. And quite right, too. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:35:45 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: New Cracked Machined Wire Interview? Well I presume its the interview he posted that he conducted by e-mail with EGL and Colin last summer. Click the Wire link, and its 'Wire Interview 2002' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Rain19c@aol.com > Sent: 02 May 2003 16:06 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Re: New Cracked Machined Wire Interview? > > > Graeme posted there was a new Wire interview on his site, and > although Tim seems to have read it, I can't seem to find it on > the site. Can anyone point me to a direct link? > > Thanks in Advance > ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:01:40 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire's Alien Logic > > Review of Send from this weeks nme. Only a measley 7 out of ten d no > > mention > > of Born To Boogie in their rather ludicrous top 100 > 'rock'n'roll films'. I hope 'Performance' was in there somewhere? >does anybody really take that paper seriously any more? p Does anyone read the NME anymore? I quit when it became fucking obsessed with narrowing its readership demographic to the under 21's...this was aroud 2000. The days when NME is read by 11-70 year olds are long gone. (I wonder if self proclaimed 'fashion-victim' Colin Newman still reads it?) I saw a documentary on Tv a few weeks ago where the "editor" of the NME was commenting on something or other and he was about 13 years old. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:13:46 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: PJ Harvey To Perform At The Eden Project In Cornwall In a message dated 5/2/03 11:13:37 PM GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > >>might be fun?<< > > Is she still sporting her Xena, Warrior Princess look? > /////i fear so. collaboration with QOTSA about to be released. c'mon cornwall , let's rock! p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #126 *******************************