From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #125 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 2 2003 Volume 06 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Barbican ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Akatombo [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] OT(ish) - A Frames ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] ok, it's official now... [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] Fw: [idealcopy] Fall//// hey what about "slates" 10" ep- thingy ["david h] Re: [idealcopy] Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fall ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Fall ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Fall ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall [Aaron Mandel ] [idealcopy] Sleep Is Wrong [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] MZUI Review but no Send ["Tim" ] RE: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Send working methods ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Send Received [Santa Cruzer ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall [Santa Cruzer ] RE: [idealcopy] Send Received ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Send Received ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Send working methods [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine [Eardrumbu] [idealcopy] re send again ["Paul Ye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:54:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > Ah, Mr Bailey is merely applying his encyclopaedic knowledge of ye olde shyte > punke rocke band London, featuring putative Culture Clubster Jon Moss, whose > second single was entitled... Animal Games. > > Mark Christ! He's after your job, Mark ; ) This months Uncut includes a 4-star review of MZUI by David Stubbs - 'the first a farrago of "urban, interior" scrapes and groans, the second more successful piece an extended, serrated but gracefully turned ambient drone'. It also has a cd that might appeal to some of (the older?) IC-ers. It's a UK psychedelic collection with the likes of My White Bicycle (Tomorrow), Octopus (Syd), Once Upon the Seas of Abbyssinia (Ty Rex) and The Moves totally wonderful I Can Hear The grass Grow... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:56:06 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Akatombo "Bill Hick" wrote >>> >>>Trace Elements by Akatombo is a serious contender for >>>'best ever Swim album' I really liked the Akatombo track that Colin played on mixing it. I'm just waiting for my copy of the CD to turn from Posteveryting (along with Send, like everyone else). I'm impressed you think it better than the mighty 'Low Impact'? MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:47:11 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall > >Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, >purchased over a 24-year period! > >Mark Wow. This puts my Cure collection to shame. I own almost 50 official Cure releases on CD, as well as my prized possession of the original 1980 UK pressing of "A Forest" on 45rpm single. I also have a few "non-official" Cure live boots as well. I'm not one of these goth people that dresses in black with a pierced nose or anything; I just like The Cure a lot, that's all. I also have a 60 jewel-box case filled with official CD releases from Joy Division/New Order/Electronic/Revenge/Monaco/The Other Two. I'm still searching for the ever-elusive CD copy of Factus 1981-1982 with the original "Temptation", so the thrill of the hunt continues. I have a pretty extensive R.E.M. collection as well...30 plus official releases. That and the fact that I almost went broke buying advance fan club tickets to the Atlanta R.E.M. show on October 11....Level 1 seats are $75 after all of the Ticketmaster bells and whistles. Proceed with caution to the 2003 R.E.M. tour, as it's a bit more expensive. At least the tickets for the Maserati show that I'm attending tonight are only five bucks. With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? (besides the tickets to the Atlanta show) Jason _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:34:11 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new >Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? > >Jason if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving Grace'... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:28:38 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT(ish) - A Frames from a new release list... a frames s/t cd 13.99 Acclaimed seattle 3 piece with a blistering mix of early rough trade / factory sounds, wire and the fall and maybe A heavier devo. on s-s records sounds like an interesting time to be had here... anyone know them...??? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:29:32 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Definitely one of the great Fall lps. But if you're starting with the really early stuff I'd say get the next album, Dragnet. Cheers John >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:34:11 +0100 > >>With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new >>Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? >> >>Jason > >if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving Grace'... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:48:15 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Jason: >> With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new >> Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? ian.s.j: > if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving Grace'... John: > Definitely one of the great Fall lps. But if you're starting with the > really early stuff I'd say get the next album, Dragnet. Personally I would go along with Ian here... and perhaps I'd add "Perverted By Language" Question: Are "Live At The Witch Trials" and "Dragnet" the only pre-Rough Trade albums? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:00:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] ok, it's official now... ...as from today I've become a total podhead! :-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:01:08 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Bart There's a compilation also on Step Forward entitled The Early Years. It's a and b sides of the first few singles plus Dice Man off of Dragnet. There is an excellent fall site here with an extensive discography: http://www.visi.com/fall/news/fallnews.html Cheers John >From: Bart van Damme >To: wire-news >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:48:15 +0200 > >Jason: > >> With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the >new > >> Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? > >ian.s.j: > > if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving Grace'... > >John: > > Definitely one of the great Fall lps. But if you're starting with the > > really early stuff I'd say get the next album, Dragnet. > > >Personally I would go along with Ian here... and perhaps I'd add "Perverted >By Language" > >Question: Are "Live At The Witch Trials" and "Dragnet" the only pre-Rough >Trade albums? > >Bart _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:16:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall > >>With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new > Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? << This question will prompt a different answer from every ICer! I'd go for Hex Enduction Hour, then Perverted by Language. But you also should own as essential purchases Dragnet, Grotesque, This Nation's Saving Grace, Extricate, Shift-work, The Unutterable. A good 90s comp is A Past Gone Mad, which has a lot of the best tracks from 93-98. The 80s A & B sides comps are also pretty essential as is the one with the Rough Trade singles. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:24:19 +0100 From: "david heale" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Fall//// hey what about "slates" 10" ep- thingy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall//// hey what about "slates" 10" ep- thingy > > my 2 p's worth... > dont forget SLATES 10" ep..lp... ( theres a debate in there somewhere) > i'll never forget the first hearing of this little gem.........mind you > M.E.S.... went off the boil with next release "in a room"...which just had > moments.... > > I'd say just get them all... and go for bankrupt... > bye > david in cornwall > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall > > > > > >>With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the > new > > > Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? << > > > > > > This question will prompt a different answer from every ICer! > > > > I'd go for Hex Enduction Hour, then Perverted by Language. > > > > But you also should own as essential purchases Dragnet, Grotesque, This > > Nation's Saving Grace, Extricate, Shift-work, The Unutterable. A good 90s > > comp is A Past Gone Mad, which has a lot of the best tracks from 93-98. > The > > 80s A & B sides comps are also pretty essential as is the one with the > Rough > > Trade singles. > > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:30:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Further essential purchases this month...... Words of Expectation: The BBC Sessions (Castle CMEDD696 - out on May 26): A 2xCD set of the first seven John Peel sessions: Session 1 Rebellious Juke Box / Mother Sister / Industrial Estate / Futures and Pasts Session 2 Put Away / Mess of My / No Xmas for John Quays / Like to Blow Session 3 Container Drivers / Jawbone And The Air-Rifle / New Puritan / New Face In Hell Session 4 Middlemass / Lie Dream Of A Casino Soul / Hip Priest / C'n'C-Hassle Schmuck Session 5 Deer Park / Look, Know / Winter / Who Makes The Nazis? Session 6 Smile / Garden / Hexen Definitive - Strife Knot / Eat Y'self Fitter Session 7 Pat Trip Dispenser / 2 x 4 / Words Of Expectation / C.R.E.E.P. AND! Perverted by Language / Live at Leeds out soon on DVD: > John Bentham of Visionary / Screen Edge has authored the Ikon's PBL-bis > video for DVD. The disc will also feature a gig from Leeds University from > February (or March?) 1981. The DVD, which will be encoded Region 0 and thus > playable on all DVD players, should be out on Cherry Red sometime in May. > > There's a chance of more vintage Fall gigs on DVD - possibly the Manchester > Hacienda gigs from July 27, 1983; June 29, 1984; October 18, 1984; and > October 9, 1985. > All this and a new album too. Wa-hey! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:48:15 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >> >>With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials and the new >> Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? << > > >This question will prompt a different answer from every ICer! indeed ... as documented previously, i'd rank dragnet & hex dead last (though kurious oranj doesn't do a great deal for me, either), though last time i played it dragnet was starting to worm its way into my consciousness ... > >I'd go for Hex Enduction Hour, then Perverted by Language. > >But you also should own as essential purchases Dragnet, Grotesque, This >Nation's Saving Grace, Extricate, Shift-work, The Unutterable. not to mention wonderful & frightening world, bend sinister, frenz experiment, infotainment scan, code: selfish, cerebral caustic & light user syndrome ... A good 90s >comp is A Past Gone Mad, which has a lot of the best tracks from 93-98. The >80s A & B sides comps are also pretty essential as is the one with the Rough >Trade singles. quite essential, yes. as someone else has suggested, if live at the witch trials has found favor, the early years collection of singles might be the next logical step. dan > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:20:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fall speaking of whom ... i'm not sure what bearing this tidbit (the latest release date i'd seen for the new album had been may 12) from the fallnews page might have on the scheduled north american tour -- >>The latest rumours re: Country on the Click are not good. Apparently the release date has been pushed back and it may not be coming out on Action at all. As soon as I'm given the release date and some concrete details I'll update the site, but this is all the news I have at the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:32:34 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall >> >With respect to The Fall, I only own Live At The Witch Trials >> and the new >> >Totally Wired anthology. Any suggestions on a next Fall purchase? >> > >> >Jason >> >> if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving Grace'... >> >> ian.s.j. >> Hah, my ONLY Fall recording. Does that mean I don't need any others? AndyL np Led Zep Early Days/Later Days. Well for #9.94 in Tesco it'd be rude not to! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:05:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall In a message dated 01/05/2003 16:21:43 GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << speaking of whom ... i'm not sure what bearing this tidbit (the latest release date i'd seen for the new album had been may 12) from the fallnews page might have on the scheduled north american tour -- >>The latest rumours re: Country on the Click are not good. Apparently the release date has been pushed back and it may not be coming out on Action at all. As soon as I'm given the release date and some concrete details I'll update the site, but this is all the news I have at the moment. >> I know Gordon at Action Records quite well - last tiume I spoke to him he was grizzling about MES wanting to remix the album (to make it sound less polished, of course - it's much more along the lines of The Unutterable rather than AYAMW) and this was delaying things. Should have been out in March apparently. Hopefully MES hasn't buggered it up too much and it'll be out in time for the US tour - one suspects much of the Fall's tour profits come from album sales at venues... Doubt whether Action will be involved for the next one though! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:29:26 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Lumbard >>>> if it was just ONE for now...i'd go with 'This Nation's Saving >> Grace'... Hah, my ONLY Fall recording. Does that mean I don't need any others? - ----------------- No, it bloody well doesn't!!. TO add my twopennorth (and if anyone is keeping count and frankly non-Fall owning people should be!) my essential Fall albums are: Dragnet (as John Roberts says this is the great early Fall album, although the singles are what you really want - so get 'Totally Wired' also) Perverted by Language Hex Enduction Hour This Nation's Saving Grace The Wonderful and Frightening world of... The Unutterable And my favourite (although I recognize this is a minority view) The Frenz Experiment. Or, as David says, just get the lot. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall On Thu, 1 May 2003, Keith Knight wrote: > And my favourite (although I recognize this is a minority view) The > Frenz Experiment. I wouldn't put it first, but it's one of my favorites. I recently picked up the Fall compilation A World Bewitched from the HMV going out of business in my neighborhood, and with all the bad Fall compilations out there it was a very pleasant surprise... disc 1 is a summary of 1990-2000, a period which needs a good best-of worse than the early years (since the only way to get all the good early Fall tracks is to just get all the albums... not so with Shift-Work and Middle Class Revolt), while disc 2 has actual rarities on it! Like, not instrumentals and remixes, but real rare songs and MES appearances from other people's records. Glad I picked it up. And the crufty old tape I used to have of those Peel sessions was fabulous; can't wait for a real set. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:12:13 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Sleep Is Wrong http://www.sleepytimegorillamuseum.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:19:06 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] MZUI Review but no Send > This months Uncut includes a 4-star review of MZUI by David Stubbs - 'the > first a farrago of "urban, interior" scrapes and groans, the second more > successful piece an extended, serrated but gracefully turned > ambient drone'. > And yet strangely they don't have a review of Send (unless I missed something). This is a shame because I am interested in what the mainstream press, and people outside of this circle of fandom will make of this new LP. It would be nice for Wire to get a decent spread in one of the mainstream mags now, to raise their profile again and get dormant fans aware of whats going on, and maybe direct a few of the White Stripes-generation in the direction of Pink Flag, CM and 154... They did have a special 'press-desk' in the foyer at Barbican (not seen the like before)...so perhaps there will be reviews of the show next month. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:52:09 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine > what was with the nice streets sample from the live recording of > drill? who > was at this gig (edinburgh) and could describe the performance of drill? > apparently not an instrumental version as was being performed in 2000. I wasn't at edinburgh, but the version of Drill that Wire peformed at the All Tommorows Parties event in 2000 was instrumental mostly but Colin bobbing next to the mike, teasing the crowd until finally hollering one line of the song "Could this be a DRILL..." at which point they dropped the beats, and then kicked back in again...and Graham did some screaming as well. I'm quite pleased that it was at this gig that R&B/Send was being born inside Colins brain. Certainly the feeling was that Wire were the one of the few bands to throw some energy and passion into their performance despite being twice the age of most of the other bands (most of whom presented variations on the Labradford/Mogwai vibe) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:04:10 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Send Received I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th September 2002 in the mail today here in Atlanta. I'm quite taken with the four previously unreleased tracks, especially "Mr. Marx's Table". I'm currently blasting above song here in my room and doing a great job of making myself hearing impaired. What a great song. Jason _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:10:30 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Send working methods Grahams interview with Wire answers a lot of questions about how Wire mk3 work and record. Using computer environment, sampling from gig and rehearsal tapes and maybe being in the studio in ones and twos and sending CD-R's back and forth. Much better than this ludicrous thing that bands like Radiohead still adhere to where they believe you can't make a decent record unless you go off to some country retreat for six months until you all hate each others guts, take loads of drugs, get Daniel Lanois in as producer and live out your Pink Floyd/Fleetwood Mac fantasies. I hope more bands take the lead from Wire. Technology frees bands from some of these self-imposed restraints, and Wire clearly saw the advantage that electronic artists/duos have in their ability to construct tracks where and when it suits without needing all parties present. Its heartening to read that this latest Item is far from 'the Colin Newman Show' (despite the shortage of Lewis vocals). It does seem that the band are all entirely happy with the way of working and Send is as much a band effort as any album really (probably more so than say, Blur's new LP) Myself, Having spent long, frustrating hours in rehearsal rooms drinking, smoking and beating up my fellow band members but not actually creating anything it was a revelation when I first got my hands on a computer with Sonic Foundry etc. and was able to collaborate by post! Its actually incredibly difficult to collaborate on songwriting in realtime with other people without making huge artistic compromises and getting into silly arguments. Obviously, Pink Flag, CM and 154 couldn't have been made on a computer...and the formula of a younger, hungry Wire + Mike Thorne is working so well there, but I don't think without the kind of technology Colin has in his studio that Wire could have made another album in the 21st century. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received I was curious about buying Send. I am definitely wondering whether I should purchase Send now or wait until the gig and pick it up. The main difference would be the Metro CD, which I haven't heard anyone mention on the list yet. I recall the word 'remix' connected to it, and remix albums are very low on my list of musical interests (somewhere between 'Best of..' and tribute albums). So any reviews on it??? > I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th > September 2002 in the mail > today here in Atlanta. I'm quite taken with the > four previously unreleased > tracks, especially "Mr. Marx's Table". I'm > currently blasting above song > here in my room and doing a great job of making > myself hearing impaired. > What a great song. > > > Jason > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://www.3rproductions.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall Interesting list! I have to say that I'm a definite newbie as far as the Fall, having found them via this list! I have to admit to not really liking them too much. I've had up to six of their albums, including 'Hex Enduction Hour' and 'Live at the Witch Trials' and after listening to them I've sold them all off with the sole exception of "Frenz Experiment". Oh well, they seem to be doing quite well without me, though!! :) > Perverted by Language > > Hex Enduction Hour > > This Nation's Saving Grace > > The Wonderful and Frightening world of... > > The Unutterable > > And my favourite (although I recognize this is a > minority view) The > Frenz Experiment. ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://www.3rproductions.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 01:32:16 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Send Received Its not a remix LP. Its a live show which I think Colin has polished up in Swim Studios (although not as much as IBTABA) Its worth having, if only to hear Wire translate the processed/sequenced/sampled music on Send into a blistering live performance. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Santa Cruzer > Sent: 02 May 2003 01:22 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received > > > I was curious about buying Send. I am definitely > wondering whether I should purchase Send now or wait > until the gig and pick it up. > > The main difference would be the Metro CD, which I > haven't heard anyone mention on the list yet. I recall > the word 'remix' connected to it, and remix albums are > very low on my list of musical interests (somewhere > between 'Best of..' and tribute albums). > > So any reviews on it??? > > > I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th > > September 2002 in the mail > > today here in Atlanta. I'm quite taken with the > > four previously unreleased > > tracks, especially "Mr. Marx's Table". I'm > > currently blasting above song > > here in my room and doing a great job of making > > myself hearing impaired. > > What a great song. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://www.3rproductions.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:14:00 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Received >I received Send and Wire @ Metro, Chicago, 14th September 2002 in the mail >today here in Atlanta. & here i sit, some 180 miles away from you, still de-send-setized. oh, well, maybe the discs are indeed being sent out in accordance with when they were ordered -- i didn't put in for one till 3/29, i see by my old e-mail. oddly, i gather that stores aren't being made to wait till after all the mail-order copies are dispatched ... speaking of atlanta & send, good review in the new stomp & stammer, which i picked up this evening at my neighborhood indie store (along with, out of a ssense of loyalty, the new cramps cd). if it's not available on-line somewhere, i'll type it up later ... dan I'm quite taken with the four previously unreleased >tracks, especially "Mr. Marx's Table". I'm currently blasting above song >here in my room and doing a great job of making myself hearing impaired. >What a great song. > > >Jason > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send working methods Tim wrote: Grahams interview with Wire answers a lot of questions about how Wire mk3 work and record. Using computer environment, sampling from gig and rehearsal tapes and maybe being in the studio in ones and twos and sending CD-R's back and forth. Much better than this ludicrous thing that bands like Radiohead still adhere to where they believe you can't make a decent record unless you go off to some country retreat for six months until you all hate each others guts, take loads of drugs, get Daniel Lanois in as producer and live out your Pink Floyd/Fleetwood Mac fantasies. How can you make such a staement Tim?surely you must realize that different musicians use methods? processess that they feel most comfortable with,and that just because the creative process is an easy thing for one artist doesn't mean it's easy going for the next guy. I hope more bands take the lead from Wire. Technology frees bands from some of these self-imposed restraints, and Wire clearly saw the advantage that electronic artists/duos have in their ability to construct tracks where and when it suits without needing all parties present. some times the creative 'spark' isn't there unless the artists/antagonists are 'there' in situ . .otherwise the spontanious action/reaction that is so urgent in some music is lost with the moment.The sparks that fly under these conditions would surely not survive locked in an envelope until open by whomever. Its heartening to read that this latest Item is far from 'the Colin Newman Show' (despite the shortage of Lewis vocals). It does seem that the band are all entirely happy with the way of working and Send is as much a band effort as any album really (probably more so than say, Blur's new LP) Myself, Having spent long, frustrating hours in rehearsal rooms drinking, smoking and beating up my fellow band members but not actually creating anything . Then obviously that environment wasn't for you,but to dismiss it out of hand when it works for so many others? Obviously, Pink Flag, CM and 154 couldn't have been made on a computer...and the formula of a younger, hungry Wire + Mike Thorne is working so well there, but I don't think without the kind of technology Colin has in his studio that Wire could have made another album in the 21st century. I think they might suprise youTim The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:09:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine In a message dated 5/1/03 7:53:47 PM, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: >> what was with the nice streets sample from the live recording of >> drill? who >> was at this gig (edinburgh) and could describe the performance of drill? >> apparently not an instrumental version as was being performed in 2000. > >I wasn't at edinburgh, but the version of Drill that Wire peformed at the >All Tommorows Parties event in 2000 was instrumental mostly but Colin >bobbing next to the mike, teasing the crowd until finally hollering one >line >of the song "Could this be a DRILL..." that's how it was done in ny too that year, but in december of 2000, in edinburgh, apparantly colin was singing something that got sampled by graham and presented for use as the chorus to nice streets above. at least that's what i read in the cracked machine interview. so, i'm wondering what that version of drill was like...or maybe i should be wondering how much the sample was manipulated for nice streets above. maybe it's that backwards sounding part? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:55:18 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] re send again Mark, I hope you make it. I am suffering the worst kind of envy and almost hatred. My best mate got his today and I did not. We live in the same town even. Is there humor in pain and anguish? I have not been so anxious in a long long time. paulye << Well Norm, if it were in Idaho than chances are I would have mine because SLC is only 3 hours south of the Idaho boarder. Screw whoever said patience was a virtue. Will listen to Read and Burn 2 again (and again). >> If it's any consolation to you guys in Buttfuck, Idaho, it hasn't arrived at Weybridge, Surrey, a whole 10 miles from Posteverything HQ.... Grrr. Mark _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #125 *******************************