From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #124 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 1 2003 Volume 06 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Fall [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Wire review [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #122 [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] Barbican review and photos [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Album Monocultures [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Fall ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] Barbie / Shakespeare and company ["White Derek" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican review and photos [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy]REM [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] 2 other things ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine ["Bill Hick" <] [idealcopy] OT - Magic Band on Peel Show last night... ["ian s jackson" <] RE: [idealcopy] Barbican ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] flag burning review ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] An Exercize? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] flag burning review [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:17:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall > dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Wire review Wire Barbican, London Alexis Petridis Monday April 28, 2003 The Guardian When rock music collides with fine art, the results are often variable. For every fortuitous meeting between the Beatles and Peter Blake, there has been a calamitous one. The odour of Damien Hirst and Blur's smug and unfunny collaboration with Fat Les hangs around the Barbican tonight. Brainy punk quartet Wire have elected to perform their remarkable 1977 debut album Pink Flag in its entirety, with staging by BritArt's Jake and Dinos Chapman. By Chapman standards, it is a subdued performance: Wire are permitted to take the stage without Nazi uniforms or enormous prosthetic noses in the shape of penises. Instead, they play brief, jolting blasts of distorted guitars and dropped-aitch vocals to films featuring people doing aerobics. Once you've got the gag about this music being inappropriate for aerobics (no side-splitter to begin with), there's not much to see. The films distract attention from singer Colin Newman's intriguing dancing, somewhere between dad doing karaoke and a very, very drunk man at an indie disco. Worse, they make the music itself seem repetitious. It takes a special kind of talent to tease out the hitherto-unnoticed boredom in what may be the most turbulent, innovative and intelligent music of the punk era, but the Chapmans clearly have it coming out of their ears. Even a finale featuring flashing lights and people performing aerobics on stage cannot prevent your mind wandering on to other matters, the most pressing being how much the Chapmans got paid for this. The second half features new songs and staging from theatre designer Es Devlin. Each member performs inside a box, on to which faces and numbers are projected. It is striking without being particularly new, but at least it doesn't leave you harrumphing like Kim Howells. The music is a different matter. Featuring caustic guitars, speeding rhythms and hollered vocals, it seems particularly startling coming from four men who these days resemble senior tutors at a liberal arts college. Forget the films and the props: the disparity between Wire's appearance and the noise they make is a startling visual juxtaposition in itself. kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:37:26 -0400 From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #122 Tim wrote: >Half Eaten is my fave so far, like >a Hardcore techno version of Michael Jacksons 'Can You Feel It', with a >great spindly guitar riff and is that really Bruce barking away? Me too, though the similarity I hear is with Eno's Third Uncle - the guitar solo bit. Try it! Re. altercations in the circle. There was another one, not far behind me in H42, involving someone calling someone else a twat for talking. Really tedious, and one reason why I don't like sit down gigs. At an ordinary event, if there are fractious events you can move away. Another reason I don't like them is that you can't move to the music, though I did my best. The effect was probably not unlike Rudolf Hess during his trial but so what? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Barbican review and photos 4. LIVE STUFF The Barbican seemed intent on confiscating my camera (and Gareth Jones's, who was sitting next to me). While this didn't happen in the end, we decided not to risk their wrath and only got about half the first act between us and none of Es's stuff. If anyone's got any cool pics, please email them to me. Also, if anyone wants to contribute reviews of the gig, feel free to send them. ///// Thanks to Colin and Paul Smith (a million thanks again chaps !), I had a photo pass, and took lots of shots during the rehearsals and the concert. I've just come from dropping the films in at the camera shop - should get 'em tommorrow. I'll be writing a review when I get a chance,(fairly up to me tits with work at the moment) and I'll put in a selection of the best shots with it. I'll also be reviewing Graham's album with John Duncan, plus putting in those shots of Bruce I mentioned on the list a while back, from his Dublin debut... so... a bumper crop of stuff to look forward to for one and all ! Fergus --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:17:45 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Radio-Friendly Unit Shifters Now that I'm sure those of us who have Send have been listening to it on loop for a week, I have a bit of a question for the list. If you were someone who *didn't know* Wire, which track on Send would jump out at you as the most immediately approachable? (Yeah, I have an ulterior motive: I'm going to try and shunt "Send" onto the CUR1350 daytime playlist, and I don't trust my own judgement of what's going to be sellable to the music squad :) ) - - Andrew, who presents during the graveyard shift, 11pm Wednesdays, and is proud of it - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:32:37 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re send << Well Norm, if it were in Idaho than chances are I would have mine because SLC is only 3 hours south of the Idaho boarder. Screw whoever said patience was a virtue. Will listen to Read and Burn 2 again (and again). >> If it's any consolation to you guys in Buttfuck, Idaho, it hasn't arrived at Weybridge, Surrey, a whole 10 miles from Posteverything HQ.... Grrr. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:33:40 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Radio-Friendly Unit Shifters Impossible to say if you've been listening to the R & B's for awhile but I go along with the praise for Half Eaten. Of the new tracks that stands out most for me on first couple of plays. And given it's a late night show you can't leave now might go down better than some others my 2p A > > If you were someone who *didn't know* Wire, which track on Send would > jump out at you as the most immediately approachable? > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:58:47 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall i'm not about to go tottering into my record room to count my non-lp releases, but *ahem* how many of yours are *imports*? over here, especially in the wilds of arkansas & alabama, we can't just go traipsing off to the corner market to pick up fall (or wire, or ...) releases ... dan, suffering for others' art ><< > dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... >> > >Rising manfully the the challenge.... > >38 Fall albums on CD >2 MES albums >16 albums on vinyl (of which 7 are duplicates) > = 49 albums > >13 12in singles >5 CDEPs (of which one is a duplicate) >16 7in singles > >= 33 singles > >3 VHS videos > >Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, purchased over a 24-year >period! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:08:16 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Album Monocultures On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:51:41AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, purchased over a 24-year > period! At a think my biggest collection by a single band is probably REM, and having worked that out it only comes to a piffling 18 (with three dupes - Out of Time, Automatic, and Monster on both tape and CD). I really don't think I got "Country Feedback" when I first got the tape of OoT, though - I was 10 or 11, so that's probably forgivable. (Means my rate of REM purchase is about half of that of Mark's acquisition of the collected works of MES, though :) ) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:22:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall > Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, > purchased over a 24-year period! > Mark H.U.G.E. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Bart (i'm not worthy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:37:36 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Fall Go on then I'll bite. Singles: 14 x 7" singles (one of which is a pic disc of another; one of which I also have on cassingle) 16 x 12" singles (one of which is a white label of another; one of which I also have on 7") 8 x CDEPs 1 x cassingle Albums: 23 x CDs (5 of which I've got on vinyl; 3 of which I have on cassette - anyone else buy Bend Sinister on cassette purely for the 'Town and Country Hobgoblins' track?) 3 x cassette albums 17 x LPs (one of which is a white label of another) Unnaccounted: Slates - is this an album or ep? Likewise with that US Rolling Danny five track thing. Likewise with the Rough Trade promo cassette of Man Whose.../Kicker? Do I count the free 7"s that came with Frenz LP and Escape Route 12"? Do I count two free 7"s that came with music papers bought purely for Fall tracks? Likewise with various compilation LPs? Videos: Three videos also. And there are still the MES solo releases and some of the live releases I've yet to get. Cheers John >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:51:41 EDT > ><< > dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... >> > >Rising manfully the the challenge.... > >38 Fall albums on CD >2 MES albums >16 albums on vinyl (of which 7 are duplicates) > = 49 albums > >13 12in singles >5 CDEPs (of which one is a duplicate) >16 7in singles > >= 33 singles > >3 VHS videos > >Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, purchased over a 24-year >period! > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:22:49 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: [idealcopy] Barbie / Shakespeare and company Briefly, now: Wire at the Barbie: beyond cool, or what? They relit the flame, and no mistake. The stage set for 'SEND' was so apt, & suited the band to a T. Happily lived up to my (high) expectations. Wonder what the Chapmans were trying to say, though?? And to all the many and various IC'ers I had the pleasure of meeting, a big 'hello again', and it was a nice bonus on top of the evening's musical fayre. Derek White _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:27:46 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Radio-Friendly Unit Shifters > > If you were someone who *didn't know* Wire, which track on Send would >jump out at you as the most immediately approachable? on first hearing...i'd have to go for 'Half Eaten' too...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:39:13 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Tickets/Send Delivery Tickets to the Wednesday show at the Double Door in Chicago are now available at Ticketbastard. No word on the 2nd show. My guess is that the Send cds are being--well--sent in the order purchased. Therefore, one may arrive in St. Louis before Wales. In the meantime, thanks for the info on the vinyl--I'll stop watching for mine. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:41:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re send > If it's any consolation to you guys in Buttfuck, Idaho, it hasn't arrived at > Weybridge, Surrey, a whole 10 miles from Posteverything HQ.... > > Grrr. > > Mark Mine came today! Weird hearing different tracks following each other. In fact, it barely seems like a new album with us knowing (and Loving!) so many of the tracks. But then we all felt a bit cheated when Bollocks came out with all the singles on and we couldn't imagine it - or want it - any other way now. I've got no doubt that we're gonna be calling it a classic! To answer Andrews' query, well I'd be tempted to go for The Art of Stopping or Comet as they're the two most commercial numbers IMO... Also, to go back to Tim's review of the Barbie gig (which basically echoed my own feelings), I know they've been ending the set with I Don't Understand, but I too got the impression that the band weren't sure whether to leave or not (well Colin & Bruce anyway, couldn't see the other so clearly). There were definitely a few confused faces... Keith NP Bolan - 20th century superstar box set. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:14:17 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall which handily beats even my 71 legit cure releases, mostly (except for 2 lps, 1 7" & 2 12"s) procured since mid-'86 -- 16 cds 8 lps (7 duplicated on cd) 11 12"s 14 cd singles/eps (1 duplicated) 3 7"s 2 cassingles 8 cassettes (3 duplicated on cd) 6 vhs 3 books dan ><< > dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... >> > >Rising manfully the the challenge.... > >38 Fall albums on CD >2 MES albums >16 albums on vinyl (of which 7 are duplicates) > = 49 albums > >13 12in singles >5 CDEPs (of which one is a duplicate) >16 7in singles > >= 33 singles > >3 VHS videos > >Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, purchased over a 24-year >period! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:17:54 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall whoops ... make that a mere 59. forgot to subtract the duplicates (which also include one of the cassingles, as i neglected to note previously). dan >which handily beats even my 71 legit cure releases, mostly (except for 2 >lps, 1 7" & 2 12"s) procured since mid-'86 -- > >16 cds >8 lps (7 duplicated on cd) >11 12"s >14 cd singles/eps (1 duplicated) >3 7"s >2 cassingles >8 cassettes (3 duplicated on cd) >6 vhs >3 books > >dan > > >><< > dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... >> >> >>Rising manfully the the challenge.... >> >>38 Fall albums on CD >>2 MES albums >>16 albums on vinyl (of which 7 are duplicates) >> = 49 albums >> >>13 12in singles >>5 CDEPs (of which one is a duplicate) >>16 7in singles >> >>= 33 singles >> >>3 VHS videos >> >>Which makes 85 official, discrete Fall releases, purchased over a 24-year >>period! >> >>Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:23:49 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican review and photos In a message dated 30/04/2003 14:08:01 GMT Daylight Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: > so... a bumper crop of stuff to look forward to for one and all ! Fergus > -------- Fergus what would we do without you. Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:51:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]REM In case anyone's interested, REM are playing Brixton Academy on June 24/25, and two club dates in Holland just before that. The web site for Utrecht June 21 and Amsterdam June 22 is as follows: https://tickets.lvp.nl/res.php?vn=7505&origin=162 The web site for Brixton June 24 & 25 is as follows: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/offers/presale.asp?title=REM Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:56:23 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] 2 other things Trace Elements by Akatombo is a serious contender for 'best ever Swim album' Philip jeck is playing a free gig at St Philips Church, Salford 8pm May5th WIRE read & burn at Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Cyclobe - The Visitors who can't leave now? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:57:02 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine Who didn't pay bill? Who's the bastard? Was rider lettuce half eaten? Who is keyboard cowboy? Who didn't understand? These and other queeries remained unanswered when Colin Newman and Graham Lewis gave the lowdown on nice streets to Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine (Walkin' back across Gilbert Bridge to Barbican) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:00:19 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Magic Band on Peel Show last night... ...and archived for the rest of the week, so get ripping... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/thisweek/20030428_peel.shtml#sess1 haven't listened to him for ages and thought i'd give it a try tonight and i'm so glad i did...apparently the MB stuff 'blew him away'... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 00:23:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican My man with the backstage pass says that Jake and Dinos were in attendance and seemed like nice boys. Apparently the Barbican has an artists bar. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim Were jake and dinos actually there? I'm pretty sure i saw two shaven-headed blokes in the projection booth..maybe they were hired hands? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 00:27:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] flag burning review A review can be found here - http://www.dosomethingpretty.com/livereviews_wire.htm another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:44:59 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] An Exercize? An excellent review from AT Keith! It's an overview of the entire event, factual but also very expressive of giving a sense of being there. Brilliant, Paul--of course! Any speculation regarding what the cubes are about? Maybe if I'd been there . . . . Cheers, Robert (another) ********************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:25:22 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A New WIRE Interview Online at Cracked Machine what was with the nice streets sample from the live recording of drill? who was at this gig (edinburgh) and could describe the performance of drill? apparently not an instrumental version as was being performed in 2000. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:31:34 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican Huh? I don't get it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of dan bailey > Sent: 30 April 2003 02:04 > To: ideal copy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > > > >I arrived a bit flustered and stressed (I'm not a huge fan of London) > > i wouldn't have thought animal games would leave such a marked impression, > negative or otherwise ... > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:35:33 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An Exercize? In a message dated 4/30/03 7:46:20 PM, Robert.Cambra@HARPERCOLLINS.com writes: >an >exercize...not a drill drill drill dugga dugga dugga...> >Brilliant, Paul--of course! an exorcise for me please! hehe, guess my brain was telling me i needed some zzz's...maybe it's the z missing from my email addy! >Any speculation regarding what the cubes are about? Maybe if I'd been there from descriptions and MARK'S :o) photo, the set for send almost comes across as an extension of the r&b process. samples, cut-ups, assembling and reassembling...what do attendees think? - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:01:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > >I arrived a bit flustered and stressed (I'm not a huge fan of London) > > i wouldn't have thought animal games would leave such a marked impression, > negative or otherwise ... > Huh? I don't get it. > Ah, Mr Bailey is merely applying his encyclopaedic knowledge of ye olde shyte punke rocke band London, featuring putative Culture Clubster Jon Moss, whose second single was entitled... Animal Games. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:31:17 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] flag burning review In a message dated 01/05/2003 00:28:10 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > http://www.dosomethingpretty.com/livereviews_wire.htm > > That review hits the nail on the head.Just about sums up what I felt,although I was much warmer than the reviewer to the Pink Flag songs.Did not pump my fist in the air though. Chris ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #124 *******************************