From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #122 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 122 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Barbican [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics [Wireviews ] RE: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Burning Booklet [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] barbican [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: news of the weird ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] for those keeping score at home ... ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Fw: [mute] Appliance Spring Competition ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] Barbican ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:41:47 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Barbican Due to a hectic day, I managed to be late arriving at the Barbican and so missed out on the pre-gig drink. So I missed meeting a bunch of you for which I'm sorry. The gig itself was great. Pink Flag rocked. The band played great and I thought the sound was fine. The stage design sucked. I don't think Wire got value for money out of the Chapmans. Video screen projection? Big deal. I understand the idea of them wanting to piss off the audience or undermine expectations but what's wrong with actually impressing your audience? It just seemed lame to me and probably took all of 5 minutes to devise. The Immersion videos at the RFH were much better job. The Send set was shorter than expected but I enjoyed it more than Pink Flag. 99.9 was a superb opener. The set design worked as a devloping source of interest during the band performance. Hope the Chapmans took note and felt ashamed of their feeble, one-joke effort. I took a couple of snaps, check them out here - http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/pinkflag.htm http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/send.htm Cheers, MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:14:07 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican Mark McQ... > > which I'm sorry. Sorry you didn't make it, Mark, it was a good turnout > The gig itself was great. Pink Flag rocked. The band played > great and I > thought the sound was fine. Agreed! The stage design sucked. I don't > think Wire got > value for money out of the Chapmans. Agreed! Really unsympathetic to Wire who were overwhelmed by the giant, garish images to the point of near invisibility > Immersion videos at the RFH were much better job. Much better because they were appropriate to the performance > > The Send set was shorter than expected but I enjoyed it more > than Pink Flag. > 99.9 was a superb opener. The set design worked as a > devloping source of > interest during the band performance. Hope the Chapmans took > note and felt > ashamed of their feeble, one-joke effort. Couldn't agree more... > I took a couple of snaps, check them out here - Very good, thanks. Pink flag illustrates the point - ie. where's the band? ES Devlin shows what can be done and remain sympathetic to the spirit/image of Wire. Or am I missing the point? Opinions will be divided later A > http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/pinkflag.htm > > http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/send.htm > > Cheers, > > MarkM > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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They were clearly visible in their boxes, but as they didn't start playing straight away the crowd getting a bit restless. My fave heckle was 'If this is the new album, I'm not buying it!' And though I didn't hear the following one myself, other IC-er's said later that when the band left the stage, someone shouted 'You Can't Leave Now' which should IMO be shouted at the end of every Wire gig!!! Keith NP Tricky - juxtapose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:40:31 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:27:04AM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > Very good, thanks. Pink flag illustrates the point - ie. where's the band? > > There was a female somewhere behind me who *repeatedly* shouted 'Where's > Wire?' in between numbers. > I think this really *was* less of a problem in the stalls than in the circle - if you think about the angles, that makes some kind of sense. > And though I didn't hear the following one myself, other IC-er's said later > that when the band left the stage, someone shouted 'You Can't Leave Now' > which should IMO be shouted at the end of every Wire gig!!! Great heckle. I really enjoyed the stage setting for the second half of the gig, but the audio system of the Barbican did the band no favours, and selfishly enough I'd have liked more :) (Of course, that I was cheering for more means that I was enjoying what I was getting...) Other alternative suggestions for an end to Wire gigs; trip the fire alarm. (After all, if this is not a false alarm...) > NP Tricky - juxtapose NP Yeah Yeah Yeahs - "Fever To Tell". It's good, but not as imaginative and off the wall as the "Master" EP was. One thing worth noting is that it only appears to be on license to polydor - it's (C) (P) Yeah Yeah Yeahs, which suggests they have quite a bit of music industry savvy about them. (It also suggests they have some source of funding other than the record biz - but in a scene as fashionista as the current Noo Yawk thing, this might not be so surprising.) Regardless of whether the band are any good or not, this sets a good example - I notice other bands are doing the same kind of thing (the Rapture's hugely hyped and forthcoming "House of Jealous Lovers", for example...). Was it Queen who started this kind of trick with Queen Productions/Raincloud Productions? If so, it's proof that good things can come from the most unlikely sources! - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! ACTUALLY boyz I THINK they SEND them out in the order in which the orders were recieved................. Keith Astbury wrote:From: "Keith Astbury" To: "ideal copy" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:18:42 +0100 > >> No, it's farther away from England... > >> > >come now....aren't we all kind of in the same general area?...OHIO and > >ALABAMA aren't exactly the East Coast .. > > > >RL > > though they're still closer than st louis ... you would have thought they'd have dropped one off in Wales on the way... The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics Hi all Four quick notes from PE and Wireviews: 1. SEND ORDERS Due to the sheer volume of pre-orders, posteverything has announced that dispatch won't be as furiously fast as it normally is. However, most should filter through over the next week or so. 2. SEND VINYL PE's still waiting on delivery of product. An update will appear as soon as we know they are being despatched. 3. READ AND BURNED 02. R&B 02 is out of stock, but existing orders will be fulfilled. 4. LIVE STUFF The Barbican seemed intent on confiscating my camera (and Gareth Jones's, who was sitting next to me). While this didn't happen in the end, we decided not to risk their wrath and only got about half the first act between us and none of Es's stuff. If anyone's got any cool pics, please email them to me. Also, if anyone wants to contribute reviews of the gig, feel free to send them. Best Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:28:23 -0700 From: "Vegas, Greg (WMG ADA)" Subject: [idealcopy] SEND is here Got my SEND CD with live METRO CD yesterday (in Brooklyn) just put it ont CD player this morn (went ot see the Delgados last night). a great way to start off a tired morn Love "Mr. MArx's Table". and now i have the Metro live CD to match the framed poster from the gig I got for Christmas. alls good. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:46:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Jazzercise << or (more likely) a Line6 Pod to me: a guitar effects processor and (more importantly) amp simulator, which would definitely enable Colin to get those savage tones... >> Yep, it's a Pod. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:02:15 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Burning Booklet Do not fear. Mr Bursa and I came out with a few. I have 8 to go. Just let me know where. AndyL >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >> Behalf Of Tim >> Sent: 29 April 2003 02:13 >> To: Idealcopy@Smoe.Org >> Subject: [idealcopy] Burning Booklet >> >> >> The Barbican provided a little booklet on your seat at the Flag >> Burning gig. >> >> I have a spare one. First person to e-mail me their postal >> address gets it. >> >> >> Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:22:07 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles Keith let us know >> that when the band left the stage, someone shouted 'You Can't Leave Now' >> which should IMO be shouted at the end of every Wire gig!!! >> Also a fine, and possibly drunken rendition of the I Am The Fly chorus coming from the front circle as the auditorium emptied. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:41:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Burning Booklet << Do not fear. Mr Bursa and I came out with a few. I have 8 to go. Just let me know where. >> Indeed. I have about 15 of them, for anyone who wants one... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:17:15 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] barbican firstly just to say it was great to see everyone again at the latest IC Massive reunion. they seem to be getting massive-r well the poor old chapmans seem to be getting plenty of stick , my initial reaction was that they'd missed the point somewhat but on reflection maybe what they did was quite in the spirit of 70's wire. and i thought the live aerobics + pink flag 2003 was a great wire moment that i hope features on the no doubt inevitable wire DVD (hmmm). i think you have to look at it as an art event and not "send ; the gig" , it was never going to be that. they've done the RnB basic set before and they'll do it again , but this was something different you have to judge at its own merits. note the guardian sent a reviewer who was much more comfortable commenting on the "art" aspect and didn't seem to "get" the music , i guess most here come at it from the opposite direction. not a bad thing , but different. interesting to see what the 2003 set is like when they play these forthcoming gigs , do hope they play the UK on returning like the garage 2000 gigs (must be under consideration?) on a more serious note , a great shame to see graham's one lead vocal ruined by some inept soundman. bit of a "derek smalls" moment ; i guess bass players playing in pods are jinxed. p ps great photos! pps my "send" has clearly not been "sent" :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:58:09 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: news of the weird from cmj.com: Dave Grohl Hits The Kit Again For Killing Joke Dave Grohl is at it again. The former Nirvana drummer may be one of the most high profile musicians in the world, thanks to serving as frontman in his own band, the Foo Fighters, but it seems he just can't help himself from jumping back into the drum chair lately, given the chance. Following his turn as the stickman on the last Queens Of The Stone Age album, Songs For The Deaf, Grohl has been pounding away again, this time with another of his favorite acts, Killing Joke. The long-running British rock band is putting together its first album in seven years, looking towards an early summer release through Sony; produced by Gang Of Four's Andy Gill, the disc has been given the provisional title Axis Of Evil, and will bring Grohl's drumming back into the spotlight for the second time in the space of a year. The collaboration came about after a meeting between Grohl and Killing Joke frontman Jaz Coleman in New Zealand, but don't expect to actually see the man sitting down anytime soon - Grohl has no plans to tour with the band, like he did with QOTSA, as his live commitments with the Foos are going to be keeping him plenty busy for the foreseeable future. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Wireviews wrote: > 1. SEND ORDERS > Due to the sheer volume of pre-orders, posteverything > has announced that dispatch won't be as furiously fast > as it normally is. However, most should filter through > over the next week or so. A bit frustrating to see Send on the shelves at the record store today and know that mine possibly hasn't even been sent yet... the live CD is certainly an incentive to go with mailorder, but to think I'd have gotten it sooner if I were less of a fan... oh well... Noticed also that the store was selling the Yeah Yeah Yeahs album for $7 new, a price I've seen on more and more first albums by hot bands lately. Could it be that record companies are realizing the value of sinking money into "artist development" again? It's not quite the same as actually giving a new musician a few records to develop in, but still seems healthy. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:35:29 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Wireviews wrote: > >> 1. SEND ORDERS >> Due to the sheer volume of pre-orders, posteverything >> has announced that dispatch won't be as furiously fast >> as it normally is. However, most should filter through >> over the next week or so. > >A bit frustrating to see Send on the shelves at the record store today and >know that mine possibly hasn't even been sent yet... the live CD is >certainly an incentive to go with mailorder, but to think I'd have gotten >it sooner if I were less of a fan... oh well... more aggravating to me is how fans are penalized, as it were, for having bought certain releases without the enticements added later -- like the new johnny cash, which is now being issued with a dvd of the video for nin's hurt (which by all accounts is extremely impressive ... i haven't seen it). of course, i bought it within a week or 2 of release, pre-dvd. i think this first irritated me way back when the stone roses' debut was reissed with fool's gold tacked on for all the johnny-come-latelies ... > >Noticed also that the store was selling the Yeah Yeah Yeahs album for $7 >new, a price I've seen on more and more first albums by hot bands lately. >Could it be that record companies are realizing the value of sinking money >into "artist development" again? It's not quite the same as actually >giving a new musician a few records to develop in, but still seems >healthy. > >a such a practice certainly encouraged me to pick up the n*e*r*d* cd last year ... i'll have to go across town to see if the yeah yeah yeahs actually made it to our shelves. i mean, hell, the new placebo (not that i would probably be picking it up anyway) might as well be read & burn 2 as far as local availability is concerned. dan dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:54:01 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Dave Grohl/ Killing Joke linkup Dan Bailey wrote: > >Dave Grohl Hits The Kit Again For Killing Joke >The former Nirvana drummer...can't help himself from jumping back into >the >drum chair lately,>given the chance Grohl has been pounding away >again, >this time with another of his favorite acts,Killing Joke. The >long-running >British rock band is putting together its first album in >seven years, >looking towards an early summer release through Sony. That's a bit of news to me: I must admit, I haven't been following their recent history too closely, but I'm a fan of the sheer slab-like POWER of KJ. I was unaware the 'Joke drum-stool had a vacancy. What's happened to Paul Ferguson, then? Did he finally decide that Jaz Coleman was just TOO barking mad to work with after all? :-0 Still, I look forward to the album: if it's as much a return to form as 'Democracy' was, I'll be happy enough. Anybody know if Youth is doing bass duties for this project? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] just got two.. ....tickets to see the Fall,and 2 ticks to see Richard Thompson,is this another british invasion or what?A The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:14:50 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] for those keeping score at home ... under the "listening station" listing of "what's rocking our staff's sound systems this month" in the new issue of alternative press, send is touted thus: "first-wave british art punks deliver a heightened sense of menace and urgency. wire are exponentially cooler than most bands a third their age, and their influence in music continues to reverberate. "favorite song: spent." dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:19:29 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] just got two.. >From: Ari Britt >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] just got two......tickets to see the Fall,and 2 ticks to see Richard Thompson,is this another british invasion or what?A A bit of an incongruous pair to lead the spearhead if it is..............:-) Wouldn't mind seeing Richard Thompson myself; fine guitarist & songwriter that he is, but I could HAPPILY live without the nasal whining of Mark E Smith......................:-p _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:21:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics You can view the Johnny Cash Hurt video (if your kit's up to it!) at http://www.markromanek.com/video/14.html (although it seems to be down as I write). It is indeed impressive and, yeah, this pissed me off too. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of dan bailey more aggravating to me is how fans are penalized, as it were, for having bought certain releases without the enticements added later -- like the new johnny cash, which is now being issued with a dvd of the video for nin's hurt (which by all accounts is extremely impressive ... i haven't seen it). of course, i bought it within a week or 2 of release, pre-dvd. i think this first irritated me way back when the stone roses' debut was reissed with fool's gold tacked on for all the johnny-come-latelies ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:29:26 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] just got two.. >>From: Ari Britt >>To: idealcopy@smoe.org >>Subject: [idealcopy] >just got two......tickets to see the Fall,and 2 ticks to see Richard >Thompson,is this another british invasion or what?A > >A bit of an incongruous pair to lead the spearhead if it is..............:-) > >Wouldn't mind seeing Richard Thompson myself; fine guitarist & songwriter >that he is, shouldn't be too difficult ... within the last 5 years or so i've seen him in conway ark (free college show) & little rock, which implies that he'd happily play your living room, or at least your back yard, under the right circumstances. but I could HAPPILY live without the nasal whining of Mark E >Smith......................:-p heresy! probably the most popular band on this list that isn't wire or a spinoff (not that that should count for anything, of course). besides, mes grumbles more than whines, i'd say. dan, owner of some 45 fall albums & counting ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:52 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Send orders, Send vinyl, R&B 2 and Barbican gig reviews and pics On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 01:27:42PM -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Wireviews wrote: > > > 1. SEND ORDERS > > Due to the sheer volume of pre-orders, posteverything > > has announced that dispatch won't be as furiously fast > > as it normally is. However, most should filter through > > over the next week or so. > > A bit frustrating to see Send on the shelves at the record store today and > know that mine possibly hasn't even been sent yet... the live CD is > certainly an incentive to go with mailorder, but to think I'd have gotten > it sooner if I were less of a fan... oh well... Stacks of it are available (at 15 quid and with their own little filing thing, usually reserved for more "major" albums...) in HMV Cambridge. It seems to be being well distributed. > > Noticed also that the store was selling the Yeah Yeah Yeahs album for $7 > new, a price I've seen on more and more first albums by hot bands lately. > Could it be that record companies are realizing the value of sinking money > into "artist development" again? It's not quite the same as actually > giving a new musician a few records to develop in, but still seems > healthy. I picked up mine for eight quid in Fopp. It's worth eight quid, though it's not gonna change the world. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:48:54 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican In message <2C9B186BDAA4D4118F2A009027620DA10B6EBF7F@GEORDI>, Alistair Tear writes >> http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/pinkflag.htm >> >> http://www.tingy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dotdash/send.htm >> Fantastic pics! Nice one. - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:47 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican I was sat behind Colin Newman's son Ben at the Barbican. I got the impression that he much prefers the new stuff to Pink Flag. A possible Auntie type figure said to him at the end "You're dad was really cool in the first half wasn't he!" A great evening in all possible ways! A strange but hugely enjoyable experience meeting people from the list for the first time. Words on a screen made flesh, nebulous physical preconceptions largely confounded, and now, back at the screen, posts by the people I met seeming ever so slightly different, but not quite clear how. Enjoyed Pink Flag. The Chapman contribution looked promising during Reuters. But then, over and over; still the occassional smile, but quite a let down. Was it; a)To get up the nose of those of an overly 'precious' dispensation to PF b)PF as no more than a series of mid-tempo plodders, so unremarkable as to be best suited for mass-consumption aerobics videos c)to make the band feel ridiculous and small whilst playing d)the confounding of expectations that they might invoke something that smacked of effort. etc etc. I'd be interested to hear what the brothers had to say on their thinking behind this; maybe it'll all just click into place retrospectively. Wonder how Wire felt about it. Maybe our very own backstage boys could shed some light on this. Much better in all respects, for my tastes was the R+B stuff - though I really had hoped it would comprise of a run through of send, as advertised. I managed to smuggle my girlfriend in for this section (there was an empty seat next to me in the first half, and just in case anybody is outraged that I've taken food out of the mouths of Wire, she's not a fan and would otherwise have sat in the bar - we live 200 miles apart, with a similar distance in our musical tastes); she's a cell biologist, and thoroughly enjoyed the microscopy images that were projected intermittantly with the huge staring eyes, mouths and t-zones, but, unbelievably in the midst of such a fearsome racket, nearly nodded off. Has anyone tracklisted yet? I recall 99.9/First Fast/Comet/I Don't Understand/Spent/Read and Burn/In the Art of Stopping/Agfers of Kodack though not entirely in that order. I was stunned by the brevity and actually thought that Bruce and Colin were simply going to change positions when I noticed them cutting their way out of their stalls. Will anybody on the list own up to being involved in the very unpleasant altercation on approx row E in the stalls? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:53:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [mute] Appliance Spring Competition from mute... Hi Appliance fans, As the weather is great and it's the sixth anniversary of our first ever release, we are giving away a selection of Appliance rarities, obscurities, test pressings and T-Shirts. For the chance to win just answer the following question: What are the names of all three members of the band? Send your answer and what item you would prefer to appliance@amserve.net, please don't forget your mailing address as you could be a winner! Also check out the official Appliance website and Mute website for exclusive MP3's, to be posted soon. The tracks are 'West Waves' and 'All the words for snow'. Appliance http://www.appliance-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:01:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican Yeah, that was entertaining! As far as I could tell there was some business about squeezing past someone to get to a seat which led to threats of violence and posturing, until the woman in the squeezing party persuaded the man she was with to sit down, which he did clearly bristling. The people on the end of the row scarpered as soon as Send ended to avoid being hunted down. Didn't recognize any of us lot... Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian B Sent: 29 April 2003 20:58 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican Will anybody on the list own up to being involved in the very unpleasant altercation on approx row E in the stalls? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:10:08 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles >Keith let us know that when the band left the stage, someone shouted 'You >Can't Leave Now' which should IMO be shouted at the end of every Wire >gig!!! > >> >Also a fine, and possibly drunken rendition of the I Am The Fly chorus >coming from the front circle as the auditorium emptied. after the lights went down for 'Send' and there was a bit of a quiet period, someone right behind us in the stalls shouted something to the effect of...'Nothing's going to happen until you all grow up...' in the manner of a very pissed off English teacher...weird one... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:13:03 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Send Distortion? Send arrived this morning. Not listened properly yet but the new tracks are great. Initial thoughts are that it sounds very accomplished and complete. This isn't work in progress any more. The new tracks add a variation in tempo and density which was absent from the relentless 1-step pace of the EPs. Slow and Menacing Wire make an appearance on You Can't Leave Now..reminds me of Feed Me. Being Watched will please fans of those gated, spurts of guitar that was a signature of Wire MkII..."You are the audience, you are the star". Mr Marx's Table vocal is more softer and melodic like 80s wire but with a building tension reminds me of Spacemen 3 (ducks for flames). I like Half Eaten is my fave so far, like a Hardcore techno version of Michael Jacksons 'Can You Feel It', with a great spindly guitar riff and is that really Bruce barking away? I note that the sound of the new tracks isn't quite as bright & crisp as the R&B stuff, particularly Being Watched and Half Eaten. Check 'Being Watched' around 1:45. It sounds like vinyl through a knackered stylus...but its a CD! The Bass crackles and peaks somewhat on both. Is it deliberate? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:50:46 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Barbican I arrived waayy too late for Pre-gig drinks, very much a flying visit as I had to be back in Manchester as early as possible next day for my friends wedding (not easy on Virgin Trains but I made it with an hour to spare) Shame I missed meeting y'all. Maybe next time. I arrived a bit flustered and stressed (I'm not a huge fan of London) and very sober. So it took me a while to settle in to watching Wire play Pink Flag. They did a pretty much verbatim rendition, no on-stage patter from Colin just straight with the shortest possible gaps between songs. I agree the acoustics weren't great for rock music. At times the bass is just a wall of murk, you can hear Gotobeds bass pedal thwack against his drum but you can't feel the beat. The vocals seemed to be miked up way too high, so that when the shouty bits arrived it obliterated the guitars. Still it was great to hear the whole LP...although I'm still not sure why they did it...Bruce seemed to be concentrating particularly hard on thos tricky chord changes...Pink Flag is like Tales of Topographic Oceans compared to the Send stuff! Jake and Dinos contribution gave me the impression that perhaps they had organised it the night before having forgotten all about it...and one wonders not only how much they got paid but how much the choreographers were paid! It looks great on Alistairs picture though.. Were jake and dinos actually there? I'm pretty sure i saw two shaven-headed blokes in the projection booth..maybe they were hired hands? Perhaps I should start a thread of: If you were in charge of stage presentation for Pink Flag what would you have done? In the DJ space by the bar I think Kirsten Reynolds (according to the prog) was mixing up Wire samples and noises much like DJXDJ did at the RFH event, which made a pleasant accompaniment to the very long interval. No special merchandise. You could buy the mute-era back catalogue, the new LP (sans live disc) and the us tour t-shirt. a few #3 beers later (Wirefans had pretty much emptied the Barbican of Beer I think) Second half looked much more promising. I loved the boxes idea, and the fact that the band couldn't see each other, or sound crew or roadies. Looking forward to finding out how Wire found the experience. The boxes looked great, and the floor and walls were shiny so the lights and shadows bounced off them..Alastairs photo shows the effect off a treat. Wire were sat inside for a good few minutes while people returned to their seats. Quite a strange sight. One wag muttered about the Pods in Spinal Tap.... I guess my only criticism was that the images didn't change very much and the same theme was used for 2-3 songs in a row and it was a shame that the film of colins lips wasn't in sync until the last track (it looked great though...very '1984'). That was perhaps a bit ambitious. They could have stuck a cheap camera on the end of Colins mike stand...like Waybe Coyne does at Flaming Lips. The ending seemed a bit fluffed as well, I presume they had a couple more songs to go as no-one seemed sure whether they were supposed to finish or not? The applause at the end was a bit muted as the house lights went up as everyone seemed a bit confused. Still I'm nitpicking, and I know some of you would have loved to be there instead of me but were 1000s of miles away...so I'll say it was a delight, it was unique, thought provoking and quite intriguing. Whatever next?! I heard the heckles, and a couple of blokes a few rows in front of me kept shouting for Dot Dash (Wire didn't oblige) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:09:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > >>No special merchandise. << > > So you missed the special Pink Flag enamel badge! A snip at a fiver each, > #10 for three or #15 for 5! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:11:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > >>The ending seemed a bit fluffed as well, I presume they had a couple more > songs to go as no-one seemed sure whether they were supposed to finish or > not? << > > Don't think so. It was basically the same set as Brighton last year, but > minus Germ Ship and Mr Marx's table (usually 3rd & 4th up). The rest was > played in pretty much the usual sequence. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:03:51 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican >I arrived a bit flustered and stressed (I'm not a huge fan of London) i wouldn't have thought animal games would leave such a marked impression, negative or otherwise ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:05:08 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican/heckles >after the lights went down for 'Send' and there was a bit of a quiet period, >someone right behind us in the stalls shouted something to the effect >of...'Nothing's going to happen until you all grow up...' in the manner of a >very pissed off English teacher...weird one... > >ian.s.j. graeme heard from, i gather ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:39:05 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] (OT): in my ongoing campaign ... to make others feel better about wherever they might live, allow me to note that not only (as predicted) is the yeah yeah yeahs' album nowhere to be found around here (though the first ep can be had for a mere $13.99 at wherehouse, which certainly *ought* to go out of business), & not only has send not found its way to my mailbox, but also ups has reported 2 days running that it can't find my house to deliver a care package from cduniverse, even though it's on a very easy-to-find street one block over from one of the busiest thorougfares in town, the postal service has no problem finding it & ups itself has certainly been here before. perhaps there are more dismal hellholes (at least in the 200,000-population range) on this planet, but at the moment that seems unlikely. *sigh* dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:01:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican In a message dated 4/29/03 12:18:47 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: >well the poor old chapmans seem to be getting plenty of stick , my initial >reaction was that they'd missed the point somewhat but on reflection maybe >what they did was quite in the spirit of 70's wire. and i thought the live >aerobics + pink flag 2003 was a great wire moment what i'm gathering from what's been said so far is that the art/joke was interesting to some, but not enough to warrant a 40 minute set up for the punchline. mark m's pics look great! wish i had been there. still, i am psyched for the gig in june. - -paul c.d. n.p. the rogers sisters-purely evil www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:33:47 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] re send I am in San Mateo, CA and no sign of mine at all! :( It's probably in Idaho or something! Norm Well Norm, if it were in Idaho than chances are I would have mine because SLC is only 3 hours south of the Idaho boarder. Screw whoever said patience was a virtue. Will listen to Read and Burn 2 again (and again). paulye _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:13:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican > Were jake and dinos actually there? I'm pretty sure i saw two shaven-headed > blokes in the projection booth..maybe they were hired hands? The Chapmans WERE the hired hands! ;-) Jake and Dinos & The Art of Shopping: http://www.fat.co.uk/shopp.html Jake's other job: http://www.askjudy.biz/jakechapman.htm Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #122 *******************************