From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #121 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Jazzercise [Ian Grant ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Jazzercise [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Pod [Norm Fasey ] [idealcopy] Re: highlights [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] SEND! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] SEND! ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Pod [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] re-SEND! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] [idealcopy] Burning Booklet ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Re:SEND! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re:SENT! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Read and Burn 02 - Out Of Print [Rain19c@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Re: highlights ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:40:00 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Jazzercise At 04:30 27/04/03 -0400, Another the Keith wrote: >And what of the Chapmans? Here's where Andrew's hint comes in. >Throughout the set a huge screen projects stock footage of fit looking >people doing step-aerobics, probably from an American video (some of the >footage is shot by the ocean). And that appears to be it - no blood and >gore, no stage sets. I quickly tuned it out to watch the band. I rather liked it, actually. I mean, you're quite right in suggesting that it was much, much milder than the Chapmans' reputation had led us to expect, and that it didn't hold the attention in itself. But as a deft and daft undermining of the great "Pink Flag" monument, I thought it had much to recommend it. The use of the most camp routine imaginable as a back-drop to "Mr Suit" struck me as being especially wonderful. Above all, I thought that it enabled Wire to tread a tightrope, between being overly reverential to that album - which, despite some gems, is the one that I re-visit least and that I could fairly easily live without hearing repeated in its entirety - and simply trashing it completely. And the introduction of on-stage step aerobics for the reprisal of "Pink Flag" was a moment of pure Wire genius, even if wasn't all of their own making. Apart from anything else, the rearranged song - sparse and crisp and lithe, led by clipped beats rather than driving guitars, and much, much better than I remember it being at recent outings - was breathtaking, and an exuberant confirmation, if anyone really needed it, that they've grown so much since that first record. It was indeed absurd...but it was also bloody fantastic. >Bruce takes to squatting by his amp. That was an interesting side effect of the stage design. His guitar strap had broken...but, stuck inside a box, he either had no way of letting anyone know or was reluctant to try to halt the torrent.... >All in all I thought this was a great night. The band are in top shape, >Pink Flag was a joy and if you're going to put something on in a big >concert hall at least give the punters something to look at and think >about. Afterwards not everyone agrees - this performance is going to >provoke some interesting debate in the next few days. Well, you've said pretty much everything that I would've said about the second set, which struck me as being one of those critical, thrilling moments when Wire crystallise perfectly in the present. Usually, my fascination with them is all about the progression from what went before to what's happening now to where they might go next. It's an on-going, unresolved discussion. But sometimes they're just so brilliant that they sweep all academic consideration away completely, and Saturday night was one of those moments as far as I was concerned. They sounded absolutely phenomenal - ferocious, driven, vital. I do accept that the songs were sometimes blown away in the process, but that allowed the repetitive, furious groove to come through. You could hear the influence of those No U-Turn records that Colin regularly cites - in particular, the bit where the guitar starts revving before the explosion of "99.9" could be straight out of one of Trace's finest moments. Damn fine, to my mind...and, without re-hashing past debates, a complete contrast with the RFH gig, which just felt a bit old, stale and tired to me. This, on the other hand, felt like a band in full flow. And, despite the fact that nearly all of my personal EP favourites have been omitted, the album ain't half bad either.... Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:50:16 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Jazzercise On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:40:00PM +0100, Ian Grant wrote: > >Bruce takes to squatting by his amp. > > That was an interesting side effect of the stage design. His guitar strap > had broken...but, stuck inside a box, he either had no way of letting > anyone know or was reluctant to try to halt the torrent.... This passed me by entirely, I must admit: I thought Bruce might have been manipulating some floor effects, or similar. That must have been a right pain for him during the concert... On the rather nerdy gear theme, though, someone I spoke to in the pub had commented on Colin's "tambourine with leads coming out" at Brighton. As a guitarist of the geekly tendency, it looked suspiciously like either a Behringer V-Amp or (more likely) a Line6 Pod to me: a guitar effects processor and (more importantly) amp simulator, which would definitely enable Colin to get those savage tones... - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:41:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Pod Andrew: > On the rather nerdy gear theme, though, someone I spoke to in the pub > had commented on Colin's "tambourine with leads coming out" at > Brighton. As a guitarist of the geekly tendency, it looked suspiciously > like either a Behringer V-Amp or (more likely) a Line6 Pod to me: a guitar > effects processor and (more importantly) amp simulator, which would definitely > enable Colin to get those savage tones... Colin definitly used a Line6 Pod (taped to mike-stand) at the Groningen gig nov 2002. Actually I've been looking for one of those toys for some time. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pod He was using it at the Brighton gig as well. It was a Line6 pod. They have a website where you can buy them but I can't remember the URL at the moment. www.line6.com maybe? Another one of Line6's products is the Guitar Port which plugs into the USB port of your PC and turns it into a smaller subset of the amps that the Pod emulates. One of the amps that it can emulate is a Mesa Boogie which probably doesn't get used much by Wire since both Colin and Bruce where both using the real amp at Brighton. The Guitar Port is a lot cheaper then the full blown Pod. Norm - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > Andrew: > > On the rather nerdy gear theme, though, someone I > spoke to in the pub > > had commented on Colin's "tambourine with leads > coming out" at > > Brighton. As a guitarist of the geekly tendency, > it looked suspiciously > > like either a Behringer V-Amp or (more likely) a > Line6 Pod to me: a guitar > > effects processor and (more importantly) amp > simulator, which would definitely > > enable Colin to get those savage tones... > > > Colin definitly used a Line6 Pod (taped to > mike-stand) at the Groningen gig > nov 2002. Actually I've been looking for one of > those toys for some time. > > Bart > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:29:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: highlights howard sides with another the keith: >Fragile >(yes!) wh* wrote: >Fragile (something of an oasis) we all love a bit of chaos, we love to dugga, but when we really get down to it...we're all suckers for a great pop song! must've been fantastic guys :o) when wire decides to perform all of 154 somewhere, i will have to plan a vacation around it cuz i don't think i could survive missing the 15th ;o) so, this jazzercize video...it was shot by the ocean? or at like a hotel resort pool or something? very dark very skinny guy leading the exercizes? there's a show like that here in the u.s., but i'm not sure what it's called. so, i guess the pun of the first half of the event was that it was indeed an exercize...not a drill drill drill dugga dugga dugga... - -paul (not seeing calla this weekend either) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:31:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] SEND! ...oh yeah! Send and the live @ the Metro cd are in! i am so frustrated right now because i can't listen to it at work! i have 3 hours to work through til i can get home and piss off the neighbors! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:36:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND! the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a full-scale investigation is in the offing ... dan >...oh yeah! Send and the live @ the Metro cd are in! i am so frustrated >right now because i can't listen to it at work! i have 3 hours to work >through til i can get home and piss off the neighbors! > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:57:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pod >> Actually I've been looking for one of those toys for some time. Norm: > They have a website where you can buy them > but I can't remember the URL at the moment. > www.line6.com maybe? That's for sure Norm! A friend of mine has a 2.0 version and I allready twiddled it a bit. http://www.line6.com/products.asp?ID=83&action=1&item=104&tp=0 Secondhand first version ones sometimes are availlable online (and that's where I come in). There's even a 2.0 here: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F ws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort& query=line6+pod Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:02:49 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] re-SEND! I find this funny (and not ha! ha! funny) how the US postal service works. I'm in Ohio and Send passed me by as well...(no Ohio jokes please, I'm not from here, only live here) --- dan bailey wrote: > the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a > full-scale investigation is in > the offing ... > > dan > > > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:48:13 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Cinematic Orchestra Event Hi all, i'm just a few hours back from Londinium, having spent Friday to Monday in the capital, so...i'm tired...and i have work in the morning. but i had to post this just for now...for me, the Barbican gig was special in a few ways (only the 2nd time i've seen them, having been a fan for 25 years don't forget...). firstly, it was really good to meet everyone that turned up from the list and do the 'faces to names' bit... as for the gig...read 'big shit-eating grin from ear to ear from start to finish'...i think i said to a couple of people in the break, if i'd had a few more drinks down me, i think i'd have had a tear in my eye during 'Mannequin'(or...'Ex Lion Tamer', '3 Girl Rhumba', 'Feeling Called Love' take your pick...) i just never thought, before the gig was announced, that i'd ever hear them played live...as far as the Chapman backdrop debate goes...i thought it was really funny, accepted that that was it and concentrated on watching the band thereafter...did anyone really think that they wouldn't do something to piss off the audience...??? let's be honest, most people (eg, Mixing It) were far more interested in what they were going to do than Es Devlin, weren't they...??? Jake & Dinos may well have guessed this would happen, would they not...??? the 'Pink Flag' (reprise) with 'real' dancers and step-boards was masterful i thought... the 'Send' stage set-up was impressive and i think the band enjoyed this section a bit more to be honest...the 'sonic/noise' aspect of the sound quality was fine by me, the only minor gripe was Graham's vocals not being sorted (for 'Agfers...' especially...)... i can't express my gratitude to the members of Wire enough for going to all the trouble of re-learning 'Pink Flag'...it must have been a massive pain in the arse at several points along the way...so...thanks a million guys...you made this young old man very very happy... there was so much more to this trip, from a personal point of view, that i could bore you all with, but i refrain, i'm, er, spent... regards, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! I am in San Mateo, CA and no sign of mine at all! :( It's probably in Idaho or something! Norm - --- Monochromatic Man wrote: > I find this funny (and not ha! ha! funny) how the US > postal service works. > I'm in Ohio and Send passed me by as well...(no Ohio > jokes please, I'm not from here, only live here) > > > --- dan bailey wrote: > > the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a > > full-scale investigation is in > > the offing ... > > > > dan > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:13:01 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Burning Booklet The Barbican provided a little booklet on your seat at the Flag Burning gig. I have a spare one. First person to e-mail me their postal address gets it. Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:52:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:SEND! the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a full-scale investigation is in the offing ... dan>>> why wouldn't they? lol RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:55:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! In a message dated 4/28/03 5:04:20 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > I find this funny (and not ha! ha! funny) how the US > postal service works. > I'm in Ohio and Send passed me by as well...(no Ohio > jokes please, I'm not from here, only live here) > > > so what are you guys trying to say? ..that St. Louis is MORE backwards and/or backwater than Ohio or Alabama??? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:57:03 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re:SENT! Maybe mine is taking so long cause I ordered the lp too! MM --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a > full-scale investigation is in > the offing ... > > dan>>> > > why wouldn't they? lol > > RL ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Re:SENT! and maybe mine is taking so long because they don't like jesse helms or liz dole (but then who does) and because they just knew i wanted something else to bitch about.gee thanx guys...Ari in N.C Monochromatic Man wrote:Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 02:57:03 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] Re:SENT! To: idealcopy@smoe.org Maybe mine is taking so long cause I ordered the lp too! MM - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > the cds made it to st louis before alabama? a > full-scale investigation is in > the offing ... > > dan>>> > > why wouldn't they? lol > > RL ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: From: RLynn9@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:55:14 EDT Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! To: xj23@yahoo.com, idealcopy@smoe.org In a message dated 4/28/03 5:04:20 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > I find this funny (and not ha! ha! funny) how the US > postal service works. > I'm in Ohio and Send passed me by as well...(no Ohio > jokes please, I'm not from here, only live here) > > > so what are you guys trying to say? ..that St. Louis is MORE backwards and/or backwater than Ohio or Alabama??? RL But of course old boy din't ya know that ROBERT! shame on you......A The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:11:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! In a message dated 4/28/03 8:58:40 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > No, it's farther away from England... > > > come now....aren't we all kind of in the same general area?...OHIO and ALABAMA aren't exactly the East Coast .. RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:13:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 In a message dated 4/28/03 9:09:30 PM Central Daylight Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > so what are you guys trying to say? ..that St. Louis is MORE backwards > and/or > backwater than Ohio or Alabama??? > > RL > > But of course old boy din't ya know that ROBERT! shame on you......A > having been to both places i would have to respectfully disagree... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:08:30 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND!pt 7.4 >In a message dated 4/28/03 9:09:30 PM Central Daylight Time, >luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > > >> so what are you guys trying to say? ..that St. Louis is MORE backwards >> and/or >> backwater than Ohio or Alabama??? >> >> RL >> >> But of course old boy din't ya know that ROBERT! shame on you......A >> > >having been to both places i would have to respectfully disagree... > >RL can't speak for ohio, but feel free to drop the "respectfully" where alabama is concerned ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:09:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! >In a message dated 4/28/03 8:58:40 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com >writes: > > >> No, it's farther away from England... >> >> >> >come now....aren't we all kind of in the same general area?...OHIO and >ALABAMA aren't exactly the East Coast .. > >RL though they're still closer than st louis ... of course, "same general area" or not, i have a funny feeling i couldn't mail something to st louis or ohio tomorrow & have it get there before friday. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:35:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re-SEND! In a message dated 4/28/03 11:11:19 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >though they're still closer than st louis ... of course, "same general >area" >or not, i have a funny feeling i couldn't mail something to st louis or >ohio >tomorrow & have it get there before friday. heck, i'm in ny and have sent mail within my county, to addresses 8 or 10 miles away and it's taken more than three days...and speaking of long waits for send...this new yorker probably won't see it til after the rest of the americans here cuz i didn't have a visa card and attempted to pay for my order with an international money order. i SPENT two weeks trying to find a friggin institution here that will sell me one. I DON'T UNDERSTAND! you'd think, with me being in new york and all, i'd get it FIRST FAST, that it'd head this way with my name on it, like a COMET. it was like i wanted to SEND a GERM SHIPment the way the banks and post office turned me away. the folks at posteverything must be looking at my cd's, thinking YOU CAN'T LEAVE NOW cuz paul hasn't paid for you yet. i'm in the TRASH/TREASURE sitting on MR. MARX'S TABLE all the way 'cross the atlantic. so, i emailed posteverything today since i reinstated my visa card. soon as i get the green light to make the ol' 'lectronic payment i'll be feeling the same anticipation as the rest of you. cheers, another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:13:44 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 02 - Out Of Print Just noticed R&B02 is out of print on Posteverything.com With the release of Send, R&B02 only has 2 exclusive tracks, so I guess it makes some sense. Trainspotter's Note #2 - Someone I know just described Blur's "Girls + Boys" as a hybrid of Duran Duran and Wire. Strangely, that sounds about right. ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:12:34 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: highlights Yeah Paul, that sounds exactly like the Chapman video! Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com so, this jazzercize video...it was shot by the ocean? or at like a hotel resort pool or something? very dark very skinny guy leading the exercizes? there's a show like that here in the u.s., but i'm not sure what it's called. so, i guess the pun of the first half of the event was that it was indeed an exercize...not a drill drill drill dugga dugga dugga... - -paul (not seeing calla this weekend either) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #121 *******************************