From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #115 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 06 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] You cunt! LEAVE NOW! [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Hi dudes! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Half Eaten Stockings ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] FW: Urgent event change [Jeremy Stevens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:48:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You cunt! LEAVE NOW! >> It seems obvious that as Colin enunciates the final flaming line >> 'You cunt! LEAVE NOW!' > Ha, evertyime I listen, I am going to hear that now...... Heard the same the same thing. I think it works very well with those dark basslines. Would make for great ballet-music too! What I don't understand about the latest Colin interviews are his opinions about Wire II being some sort of huge mistake. Why not see it for what it was: 80's Wire! Just because Wire III seems a tad more linked to Wire I to me hardly is a reason to trash the 80's outlets. Ne regretter rien! Bart (wishing he'd never send this mail allready) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:18:55 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:fall in atlanta When I saw the Camper Van Beethoven show at Echo Lounge (Atlanta) the other night, I noticed a poster advertising The Fall for July 12 there. Methinks I shall go to The Fall show. Maybe I'll see some of you there. Jason >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:27:14 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Fw: fall in atlanta > >jesus ... guess i'll have to forgo getting a new job for the next 3 months. >time to start selling off the ol' record collection ... > >from the venue where wire played in sept -- > > >Hello, > >New Shows this week... > >We are very excited to announce that The Fall will be performing >Saturday, >July 12th. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Clark/Stenger Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:07:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] a thought apparently the michael clark/susan stenger "gig" at the barbican the night before wire has some "very special guests". i see no sign of a warm up gig , which seems surprising. now i could put two and two together here but i feel i'd probably get the wrong total. anyone got a clue? p ///// Bruce said he was doing a 'tone poem' for this event, though whether this'll be done live is anyone's guess... unlikely I'd say... could be wrong though... Fergus :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:00:07 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire & The Fall in Chicago But still no official announcement from the Bottle regarding Wire tickets--or for that matter the shows' existence. ///// Wire are now playing two different venues in Chicago - The Double Door and The Abbey Bar, which would seem like a strange move for playing two nights in a row, i.e. two different set ups etc., but there you go, perhaps there was a problem with The Empty Bottle... maybe they (the venue) double booked.. who knows... Fergus ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:37:33 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts a) Is it me, or do "You Can't Leave Now" and "Trash/Treasure" push quite similar buttons? (I prefer the former, particularly the sinister-sweet backing vox...) b) The Akatombo track sounded great - put me in mind of DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing" for some reason, which is an unequivocally good thing. c) Whatever Wire think, I maintain "The Ideal Copy" to be a good - patchy possibly, but good - album, and the "Snakedrill" EP doubly so. Lovely, quite hot, weather here incidentally... (are you ambitious?) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:04:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Nina Simone ..i'm sure most of you have already heard; the great Nina Simone has passed away at age 70... very sad news indeed.. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:09:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80s Wire > >>What I don't understand about the latest Colin interviews are his opinions > about Wire II being some sort of huge mistake. Why not see it for what it > was: 80's Wire! Just because Wire III seems a tad more linked to Wire I to > me hardly is a reason to trash the 80's outlets. Ne regretter rien!<< > > It's possibly because he sees 80s Wire in hindsight as not being cutting > edge - Colin often refers to My Bloody Valentine as a band that really > impressed him in the late 80s/early 90s and perhaps he wishes Wire had gone > down that guitar/noise/drone route rather than heavy use of midi/sequencers > etc. Certainly would have been within Wire's competence to do that. Wire Mk > 1 was certainly cutting edge, as is Wire Mk 3, which perhaps accounts for > his greater satisfaction with these incarnations. > > Also 80s Wire was very obviously made in the 80s, whereas 154 has a > timeless, exploratory quality to it (as does MBV's Loveless). > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:17:00 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uri Baran" To: "Andrew Walkingshaw" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts > > Subject: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts > > > > b) The Akatombo track sounded great - put me in mind of DJ Shadow's > > "Endtroducing" for some reason, which is an unequivocally good thing. The 'E' of Eels track was excellent too as was the Sparklehorse produced one. > > > c) Whatever Wire think, I maintain "The Ideal Copy" to be a good - patchy possibly, but good - album, and the "Snakedrill" EP doubly so. I don't care what Wire think of their '80's output, I love A' Bell is a cup' however hard it was to record. Interesting to note that 154 caused them problems too. Maybe recording probs = high quality output. ;) Have they forgotten the benefits of melody?........ Uri Contentious - Moi? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:23:53 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hi dudes! Hi Norm, > >>Whats been happening with you guys?<< We're all sitting waiting for Postman Plod to bring our copies of Send, while counting the hours till Saturday ;-) >>So guess who has tickets to the Wire gig in the Great American Hall, San Francisco on the 23 June :). Hope I get a better view this time.<< Nice one. Just tell them some war stories about the Roxy and you're bound to get preferential treatment... Have fun in SF - every time I go there I do serious damage to my credit card in Amoeba Records' secondhand section! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:16:05 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Half Eaten Stockings - ----- Original Message ----- From: . I once read a 154 review > that raved about Bruce's wonderful backing vocals on Map Reference. > > ~Michael > And I read a review of 154 (or 159 as the review had it) that referred to Graham Lewis's 'doomy monotone' on The Other Window ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:34:23 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > a) Is it me, or do "You Can't Leave Now" and "Trash/Treasure" push quite > similar buttons? (I prefer the former, particularly the sinister-sweet > backing vox...) > You Can't Leave Now puts me in mind of Newman's 'This Picture' Excellent version of Spent from the live CD on Mixing It, I thought, although the programme over all was not particularly illuminating. I'd have liked to have heard more about the new album and where Wire might be going from here. I put this down to the hosts. I thought Reuters sounded excellent. Pink Flag is possibly my least favoured Wire album and I've been playing it in a bit in prep for the Barbican. I'd played Reuters a few hours before, and though good, it seemed to have more impact within the context of a late night programme on Radio 3. I'm not referring to the subject matter at all, but the tricks and nuances that contect can provide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:44:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: [idealcopy] FW: Urgent event change - ---------- From: "Barbican Centre Box Office" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:15:38 +0100 To: jla.stevens@virgin.net Subject: Urgent event change WIRE : flagburning Saturday 26th April 2003 Thank you for your booking for the above event. We wish to inform you that due to circumstances beyond our control the START time for this concert is now 8.30pm and not 8pm as stated on your ticket(s). Please accept our apologies for any problems this may cause you. If you have any questions please call the Box office manager on 020 7638 8891 or reply to tickets@barbican.org.uk **************************************************************************** This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify the sender immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Barbican Centre, unless specifically stated. All liability for errors and viruses is excluded. **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:16:14 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts In a message dated 4/22/03 8:38:28 AM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: >c) Whatever Wire think, I maintain "The Ideal Copy" to be a good - patchy >possibly, but good - album, and the "Snakedrill" EP doubly so. yeah, no matter what colin says, i will always consider snakedrill one of the best records ever made. - -paul (will attempt to see erase errata tonight) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:30:57 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts In a message dated 4/22/03 9:31:24 AM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: >I'd played Reuters a few hours before, and though good, it seemed > >to have more impact within the context of a late night programme on Radio >3. > >I'm not referring to the subject matter at all, but the tricks and nuances > >that contect can provide i heard kraftwerk's numbers yesterday on daytime radio. i hadn't heard that song in a very long time, but i was instantly brought back to the early 80's, staying up late (or even being out late, driving around with friends), listening to the post punk progressive pop party on the local college station. it was there that i discovered all the bands who get namechecked here quite often. then i'd run to the record store, trying to remember the name of what i'd heard the night before...or week before! there was indeed, something very magical about that experience, hearing those sounds coming out of the radio late at night. a very different experience to listening to the records at home. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:04:42 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts Speaking of Kraftwerk I read the other day they might release a new album this year. Not that one hasn't heard this before of course... What must it be like on a Kraftwerk list? [no-one's on one are they?]. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 22 April 2003 17:31 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts In a message dated 4/22/03 9:31:24 AM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: >I'd played Reuters a few hours before, and though good, it seemed > >to have more impact within the context of a late night programme on Radio >3. > >I'm not referring to the subject matter at all, but the tricks and nuances > >that contect can provide i heard kraftwerk's numbers yesterday on daytime radio. i hadn't heard that song in a very long time, but i was instantly brought back to the early 80's, staying up late (or even being out late, driving around with friends), listening to the post punk progressive pop party on the local college station. it was there that i discovered all the bands who get namechecked here quite often. then i'd run to the record store, trying to remember the name of what i'd heard the night before...or week before! there was indeed, something very magical about that experience, hearing those sounds coming out of the radio late at night. a very different experience to listening to the records at home. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:09:40 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mixing It thoughts - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian B I thought Reuters sounded excellent. Pink Flag is possibly my least favoured Wire album and I've been playing it in a bit in prep for the Barbican. - --------- Whereas it's my favourite album - I'm going to be in clover on Saturday. Field Day for the Sundays live - dear God. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:18:02 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 80s Wire > > Also 80s Wire was very obviously made in the 80s, whereas 154 has a > > timeless, exploratory quality to it (as does MBV's Loveless). > > > Mark > I think its still too early to evaluate a lot of the music made in the 1980s. Colin clearly isn't too proud of their 80s output at the moment. I don't agree with him, but I can see why he doesn't feel too good about that stuff. It was a very strange decade, Miners Strike, Keith Chegwin, Yuppies, Red Plastic Kettles, Duran Duran, Thatcher, the Fairlight, The Linn Drum, Dave Stewart/Trevor Horn style production, and those shiny Chromakey videos. At times, it works a treat...Eardrum Buzz, Ahead, Kidney Bingoes. These are fantastic pieces where Wire turn 80s production values on their head and find a darkness beneath that will make these seminal works of their time. By the time of Manscape, they had lost out to the desire for fake 80s Hi-Fidelity over tunes. I love 80s wire, and I'm slowly falling back in love with the sound of 80s pop...there is a certain honesty and blind devotion to sounding as plastic and compressed as possible that is missing from a lot of todays StrokesColdplayWhiteStripes.... I hear Belle & Sebastian are making their next LP with Trevor Horn...perhaps their own attempt to understand the 80s. Maybe he will coax a decent tune out them. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #115 *******************************