From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #100 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] John Peel (Sings the Blues Badly) [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] The Life Of John [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Peel ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] lotsa wire reviews [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] lotsa wire reviews [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Spent [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Spent ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Spent/Comet [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Spent ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Spent [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] pinkflag pf6.1 ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] pinkflag pf6.1 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Spent [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:56:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] John Peel (Sings the Blues Badly) >> But he's been such a key figure in my life >> (the single most beneficial public figure I suspect, > > Certainly in terms of bringing music to these old ears of mine he stands out > a mile.He gets plenty of respect with me & even if he makes a few quid > through dodgy voiceovers now - so what ? > He can do what he likes as long as he keeps the tables turning.Is there > anyone here who thinks different ? I'm sure Graeme could put it more > eloquently but "Top Bloke" will do for me. > Chris Top bloke indeed. Peel's was also a very influencial in the Netherlands (and for me) throughout the 80's. Anyone heard his top performance on (the often mentioned) Miniatures album by Morgan Fisher? "I gave myself a ring. To make sure I was not in. But I waaaaas. because I answered - wasn't that a funny thing. Oh yeaaaaah..." MP3 end-monologue: http://www.emusic.com/cd/10746/10746497.html (5th piece) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:25:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT UK TV OGWT << What tickled me last night was Bob saying something like 'and we'll be showing the Adverts and Siouxsie & the Banshees later, as well as (AND WATCH AS HE PERKS UP HERE!), some excellent footage of Dire Straits.'<< I remember him doing this at the time. Can't remember which punk band it was, but the camera cut to Bob looking grumpy, who said : "and now for something enjoyable. Here's the Rubinoos". Certainly watching these shows (especially the dismal 77 show) has reminded me hoiw much I hated the Old Grey at the time, especially being in Granada region with uncle Tony showing how it should be done on So it goes... >> He may as well just have said, 'Sorry. This programme is about 1978 and my successor featured a right bag of shit, but stick with us and you'll get Sultans Of Swing.'<< Keith, you must be psychic ;-) >> And, of course, Randy Newman. (Am I the only person who dislikes the former critics fave Newman, or does he get on everyone elses tits as well?)<< It's OK, you're not alone. Truly an irritating performer. It's the Ian McCaskill glasses! > Careering is on the OGWT DVD. So there's a slim chance that Poptones will be > on the 79 show. Careering is the best performance by a band on TV that I've > ever seen. Even better than Joy Division on Something Else. BLOODY HELL. BIG STATEMENT ALERT!!!<< It's a close-run thing. Those performances must have been only a few weeks apart too... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:35:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Swimnews and Ebay << Watched ebay and saw that the 7 Hafler Trio-Right here were you are sitting, it has a contribution from Graham Lewis, is available.(ltd to 333) >> Picked up a copy of this on holiday in Toulouse, France last year, for 10 Euros. Not quite sure what EGL's contribution is though - certainly not vocal. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:10:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel << But he's been such a key figure in my life (the single most beneficial public figure I suspect, << I'd probably say the same here too. I remember his "Birthday 40" in 1979, and the concept that someone as old as 40 (!!!) could still have impeccable taste in music was not lost on the teenage Bursa. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:37:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Swimnews and Ebay In a message dated 4/7/03 6:36:33 AM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > << Watched ebay and saw that the 7 Hafler Trio-Right here were you are > sitting, > it has a contribution from Graham Lewis, is available.(ltd to 333) >> > > Picked up a copy of this on holiday in Toulouse, France last year, for 10 > Euros. Not quite sure what EGL's contribution is though - certainly not > vocal. > > Mark > he plays bass on this particular outing... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:28:06 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OGWT etc > I know what happened to Weller, I feel sorry for his family. But > this was good one. > > Excellent! Yeah The Jam were good weren't they. Don't know what > happened to Weller though. I just wanna say that I don't really like the Style Council or would be proud on someone who likes it. For me it's too trendy, too much discotheque, ... For someone who makes music for such long-drinkers near the swimming-pool and a handful of Factor 26 lolitas at a hotel in Spain moves in opposite direction where the Jam were standing for. Kick out the Style Council cHEERs Janj - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:21:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] lotsa wire reviews Found these Wire reviews (incl. R&B) from a Mark Prindle (Is he on IC?). http://www.markprindle.com/wire.htm Take heed though, cos Mark's a funny fuck. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] The Life Of John > john peel has just got an advance of #1.6M for his memoirs. well i wouldn't begrudge it to him... p and it might stop him advertising the Beautiful South on TV ; ) ///// But let's hope it doesn't stop him doing the voiceover for A Life Of Grime - fascinating programme, if that's your kind of thing, all of human life is there, quite literally sometimes. Just love the juxtaposition of his soft spoken, avuncular delivery with the often fascinating/revolting footage. Definitely a potential Wire subject/reference for a song in the programme's story of the stubborn (now late) Polish war veteran, Mr Trebus, who couldn't bring himself to throw anything out, and whose house and large garden was stacked high with several tons of 'rubbish'.... Fergus :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:30:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel re peel... > I remember his "Birthday 40" in 1979, and > the concept that someone as old as 40 (!!!) could still have impeccable taste > in music was not lost on the teenage Bursa. > > Mark Me too! I was in my mum and dads caravan in Rhyl. I remember it like it were yesterday ; ) Seriously though it did seem rather amazing that someone *that old* could play all that stuff. The other surprsie IIRC was that he played Freda Payne's mighty Band of Gold, which was not what you expected among Peels faves. Keith NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? I even prefer it to I Don't Understand now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lotsa wire reviews On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Bart van Damme wrote: > http://www.markprindle.com/wire.htm > > Take heed though, cos Mark's a funny fuck. I like how he insults gay people. That's so funny. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:28:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lotsa wire reviews >> Take heed though, cos Mark's a funny fuck. Aaron: > I like how he insults gay people. That's so funny. Perhaps my irony didn't come across strong enough Aaron? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:36:24 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent Keith > NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? Nah, not in my world there wasn't! > I even prefer it to I Don't Understand now. I allways have. Can't sit still during it either. Superb song! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:41:57 -0700 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent Love 'em both. Agfers moves me too, if not only for the bass and the intensity the "chorus". My 3 yr. old son Theo loves Comet - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bart van Damme Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:36:24 +0200 >Keith >> NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? > >Nah, not in my world there wasn't! > >> I even prefer it to I Don't Understand now. > >I allways have. Can't sit still during it either. Superb song! > >Bart > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:51:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent/Comet >>> NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? >> Nah, not in my world there wasn't! >>> I even prefer it to I Don't Understand now. >> I allways have. Can't sit still during it either. Superb song! Eric: > Love 'em both. Agfers moves me too, if not only for the bass and the intensity > the "chorus". My 3 yr. old son Theo loves Comet Theo, my man! Comet is my nr. 2! As a matter of fact, I'm going to play it right away (again). Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:58:59 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? I even > prefer it to I Don't Understand now. I'll go along with this, though I think for me it immediately surpassed I Don't Understand, which I loved. I actually think this (Spent) may have made a better opener for Send. I love the fact that the drums kick in later than you'd expect, to the point that on the first play I wondered whether they'd arrive at all. What timing! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:10:33 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 10:58:59PM +0100, Ian B wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > > NP Read & Burn 2. Was there a better track than Spent all year? I even > > prefer it to I Don't Understand now. > > I'll go along with this, though I think for me it immediately surpassed I > Don't Understand, which I loved. I actually think this (Spent) may have > made a better opener for Send. I love the fact that the drums kick in later > than you'd expect, to the point that on the first play I wondered whether > they'd arrive at all. What timing! My favourites are "In the Art of Stopping" and "Agfers" off R+B01, and "Spent", "99.9" and "Raft Ants" off R+B2. "Raft Ants" is just so much *fun* - bouncy, angry, hyperkinetic - the kind of song which I may not react to at any more than a purely hind-brain level, but what a rush. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:35:01 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] pinkflag pf6.1 Not sure if this has already been posted, but I notice Colin has put more details up about the bonus disc you get with Send: "The free gift in this case consists of a further limited edition CD of mixes from live mutitrack recordings made during Wire's incendiary performance at the Metro Club in Chicago in September 2002. This album is entitled Wire - Metro, Chicago, 14th September 2002 (pf6l) and the tracklisting is - 99.9/ Germ Ship/ Mr. Marx's Table/ First Fast/ Read and Burn/ The Agfers of Kodack/ Comet/ In The Art of Stopping/ Spent/ I Don't Understand." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:46:31 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pinkflag pf6.1 In a message dated 4/7/03 7:36:32 PM, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > > >99.9/ Germ Ship/ Mr. Marx's Table/ First Fast/ Read and Burn/ The Agfers >of > >Kodack/ Comet/ In The Art of Stopping/ Spent/ I Don't Understand." very nice. now that's certainly reason enough to mail order it. would've been super if they included the encore songs too... - -paul c.d. n.p. moving units- s/t ep www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:54:45 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent In a message dated 4/7/03 3:27:34 PM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: >My 3 yr. old >son Theo loves Comet i'm with theo. comet is just what the new wire is all about to me. my other faves at this point are raft ants, nice streets above, trash/treasure and i don't understand. art of stopping tops the honorable mentions, and well, the rest of the new material round out the list of winners! what can i say, except what everyone else has been saying...there really are no losers on the r&b's. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #100 *******************************