From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #94 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 2 2003 Volume 06 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Nearly never [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy] posters [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] BBC RADIO 3 - MIXING IT [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] You Can't Leave Now [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT:Was Slits/now Buzzcocks ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb ["Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Nearly never Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:09:16 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strokes/Top 40 They nearly had The Gang Of Four ///// Yeah, a real shame that. Of course, that was because they refused the BBC's demand that they change the lyrics for At Home He's A Tourist from "... and the rubbers you hide, in your top left pocket..." to " and the rubbish you hide..." Them were the days, eh ? Fergus Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:01:20 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb I bought this new ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead EP, The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb, yesterday afternoon. It's a strong five-song collection that expands upon the sound from Source Tags And Codes album last year. The first song is a blatant Sonic Youth clone and the fourth song is a bit too emo-Top-40 for my tastes, but, overall, the music is quite incredible. I'll be attending the ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead show here in Atlanta on April 15, if anyone else here is planning on going. Jason _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:22:25 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits In a message dated 3/31/2003 1:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > You saw X-Ray Spex without Poly? > > Christ. When was this? ////i fear i may have told this tale before but i was talked into going to some horrible retro-fest maybe 5 years ago. 2 bands i fancied were ATV (who were great) and XRS , along with a load of old rubbish like sham 69 , GBH and the carpettes. after suffering much tedium XRS finally came on , apparently poly had fallen out with them a couple of days before and they had a new singer in a pink dayglo fright wig called (spare my sides , please) poly filla. if i want karaoke i can go down the pub , it was hideous and i left after about 3 songs. no idea how many of the original band were there (my ability to recognise jak airport 25 years on is limited) but bizarrely this line up did feature lora logic who i was very surprised had got involved. not sure they've played since , i certainly would be very wary of bothering a second time. you can grow old with respect intact , as wire and a few others prove , but i find old punks going down a cabaret route to be one of the most depressing sights known to man. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:54:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chapman Brothers Nice one ATKeith, Seen the brothers live here in the Groninger Museum last year. Their show was striking, awesome and apocalyptically funny. http://www.groninger-museum.nl/gm/ie4/open.php?section=tentoonstellingen&sub section=12&itemID=1058 http://www.groninger-museum.nl/gm/ie4/open.php?section=tentoonstellingen&sub section=12&itemID=896 I'm really curious as to how their world would mix/collide with Wire's. Would be great if someone would/could captured this on video and put it dvd. Come to think of it this is just the sort of unique gesamtkunstwerk that HAS TO BE be put out on dvd. Let's all sign a petition. Bart PS: I could ask my brother who produces at Opus Arte (dvd branche of the BBC). Of course they're specialized in (obscure) classical stuff, but personally he's also very much into Wire (and other forms of avant-garde art). One never knows now does one... http://www.opusarte.com > Long piece in today's Guardian about the fact that Jake and Dinos > Chapman have defaced some original Goya prints they own. It can be > found here if interested: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,926134,00.html > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:42:19 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] posters In a message dated 1/4/03 10:31:06 am, John writes: << I personally think it's a shame Harvest/EMI couldn't have made a decent job of promoting 'Outdoor Miner'. Or Mute most of the MKII singles. >> Mute absolutely plastered London with Kidney Bingos posters as I recall. You couldn't move for them. As for getting the thing played on daytime radio, I suppose it was never going to happen. Anne Nightingale was the only one who played Wire mkII much. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] BBC RADIO 3 - MIXING IT http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/comingup/mixingitc.shtml 20 April 2003 - 23:00-24.05 Mark Russell and Robert Sandall introduce eclectic new sounds on CD, and are joined by Bruce Gilbert and Colin Newman of veteran art-punk band Wire, to discuss their first new album for 12 years. kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:47:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] You Can't Leave Now Played "You Can't Leave Now" a few times and it reminded me most of the beginning of Indirect Enquiries... wich was nice. Bart http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/shows.shtml?2534202 Vuile Toon (below) - Uur 1 (skip the 1st half hour) (thnx Michael) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:50:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits > you can grow old with respect intact , as wire and a few others prove , but i find old punks going down a cabaret route to be one of the most depressing sights known to man. p which perhaps explains why, overall, I enjoyed The Damned more last year when they played loads of their recent album, more than a couple of years previous when they played all the classics and just one or two newies. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:57:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits > you can grow old with respect intact , as wire and a few others prove , but i find old punks going down a cabaret route to be one of the most depressing sights known to man. p Cherry Red seem determined to point out that the Buzzcocks don't belong to the cabaret catagory with the below press release. CDBRED 226 The Buzzcocks A Brand New Album By The True Godfathers Of Punk-Pop.. Buzzcocks If Impact And Influence Are True Measures Of A Band's Lasting Greatness, Manchester's Legendary Buzzcocks Should Already Be In The Rock 'N' Roll Hall Of Fame.The band will be touring the UK in April and will then embark on a full European tour in May and June After Buzzcocks profile was raised considerably last year after the release of the new Shelleydevoto album, we expect great press and already we have been promised reviews in all the major monthlies and weeklies.There will be a major retrospective on the band in April's edition of Uncut , other features will follow shortly. Buzzcocks are a group with a past, present and future! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:15:04 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT:Was Slits/now Buzzcocks >> The Buzzcocks >> A Brand New Album By The True Godfathers Of Punk-Pop.. Buzzcocks >> If Impact And Influence Are True Measures Of A Band's Lasting Greatness, >> Manchester's Legendary Buzzcocks Should Already Be In The Rock >> 'N' Roll Hall >> Of Fame. The band will be touring the UK in April.... Oxford Zodiac Thurs April 24th. What a 3 days I can look forward to! Any other listees in attendance for the Buzzcocks? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:43:57 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits >////i fear i may have told this tale before but i was talked into going to some horrible retro-fest maybe 5 years ago. 2 bands i fancied were ATV (who were great) and XRS , along with a load of old rubbish like sham 69 , GBH and the carpettes. even with your disdain for old 2nd-(or 3rd-, or ...)tier punk outfits (cf eater) i don't think i'd lump the carpettes in with sham & gbh. their 2 albums didn't blow me away, but the demos cd that overground brought out a few years ago is immensely likable, at least to my admittedly battle-scarred ears. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:57:15 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Slits In a message dated 4/1/03 8:43:57 PM GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > even with your disdain for old 2nd-(or 3rd-, or ...)tier punk outfits (cf > eater) i don't think i'd lump the carpettes in with sham & gbh. their 2 > albums didn't blow me away, but the demos cd that overground brought out a > few years ago is immensely likable, at least to my admittedly > battle-scarred > ears. /////sorry dan but the carpettes were actually even WORSE than sham or gbh. they looked really old , really apathetic and like it was all far more effort than they could really be bothered with. i wasn't (and still aren't) familiar with the material but it left no impression at all other than mediocrity. sham etc aren't my cup of tea but at least they (and their fans) seem to all be enjoying themselves which i don't have any problem with. still think eater were piss-poor and totally clueless , strange they seem to be one of the few bands of that type who don't reform for all these retro-fests (or do they? i don't look THAT hard). complete antithesis of wire? p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:36:14 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb I've seen Trail of Dead live twice and was very inclined to want to like them first time but they were found wanting - very second rate Sonic Youth clones. Left after a couple of songs second time round as they hadn't improved any - admittedly this was over a year ago now. I was amused by some cod-LPs advertised inside Half Man Half Biscuit's 'Cammell Laird Social Club' - one of which was The Ducks' 'And They Will Know Us by the Trail of Bread'. Still one of the great band names in my book though - along with Godspeed, You Black Emperor!, The Clash, Roxy Music and Wire (a great name for the people who make up Wire). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jason Rogers Sent: 01 April 2003 12:01 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb I bought this new ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead EP, The Secrets Of Elena's Tomb, yesterday afternoon. It's a strong five-song collection that expands upon the sound from Source Tags And Codes album last year. The first song is a blatant Sonic Youth clone and the fourth song is a bit too emo-Top-40 for my tastes, but, overall, the music is quite incredible. I'll be attending the ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead show here in Atlanta on April 15, if anyone else here is planning on going. Jason _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:43:35 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] King Crimson report I caught two of the King Crimson performances last week and this is my report. 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