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idealcopy-digest        Sunday, March 30 2003        Volume 06 : Number 091



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send         [PaulRabjohn@aol.com]
  RE: [idealcopy] OT: UK listers gigs this weekend  ["Andrew Lumbard" <andre]
  Re: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send  ["Magnetic North" <magnetic]
  Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbur]
  RE: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send  ["Keith Knight" <steeleknig]
  [idealcopy] re:WIRE touring USA...............  [Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo]
  [idealcopy] How small is small    [Fergus Kelly <lockupyourhats@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] re:WIRE touring USA...............  [Santa Cruzer <r_j_h@y]
  [idealcopy] Wire and....                   [Santa Cruzer <r_j_h@yahoo.com>]
  [idealcopy] Wire reference in...      ["Paul Pietromonaco" <paulp@wrq.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Wire reference in...  ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att]
  [idealcopy] OT: Manitoba.              ["Tim" <tim@kidsindestructible.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT  [Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harv]
  Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbur]
  Re: [idealcopy] Wire reference in...  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@vi]

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:13:21 EST
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send

anybody get this down in a usable form? ; the joys of streamed audio lead me 
to give up after viewing a "bufferring" screen for about 15 mins ho ho . p

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:28:42 -0000
From: "Andrew Lumbard" <andrew@lumbard.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: UK listers gigs this weekend

'tis here. Could be tempted myself

AndyL

http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/1258/Bedford/Esquires.html

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On
>> Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com
>> Sent: 28 March 2003 17:28
>> To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com
>> Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org
>> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: UK listers gigs this weekend
>> 
>> 
>> > >>Subway Sect in Bedford tomorrow? <<
>> > 
>> > Could be tempted... where is it?
>> > 
>> > Mark

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:01:13 -0800
From: "Magnetic North" <magnetic_north@www.neubauten.org>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send

> XQs me, I did mention it. Last week it was mr. Marx's table. in the same 
programm. Now you can now listen to Mr. Marx's Table in the programm XTRMNTR
at http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/shows.shtml?2534202
and click on mentioned programm.
>
> Yes I do  like that one You can't leave me now. With a speed of early Swans.
A fantastic echoeing bass sound. A tension that has to be released by a wall 
of sound. Fantastic. 
>  
Surprised no one is talking about this....Although I did see one 
> post about it...
> 
> You can hear "You Can't Leave now" at the Vuile Toon internet radio 
> show, which is at :
>
> <A HREF="http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/shows.shtml?
2534202">http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/shows.shtml?2534202</A>
> 
> You have to scroll down about 10 shows. And then click on "Uur1" to 
> listen in. Wire is like a half hour in. They played the Send version 
> of "Mr. Marx's Table" a while back. It sounded very true to the live 
> version from recent tours.
> 
> It's a very different track from the R&Bs - slow, ominous, and 
> morbid sounding - reminds me a bit of Indirect Enquiries, but this 
> is new territory for Wire.
> 
> ~Michael




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Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org)

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:19:28 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT

> Here it goes:
> 1. Theme From Sparta F.C.
> 2. Protien Protection
> 3. Mountain Energei
> 4. Contraflow
> 5. Green-Eyed Loco Man
> 6. Last Commands Of XYRALOTHEP Via M.E.S.
> 7. Boxoctosis
> 8. Ho(e)uston
> 9. The Past
> 10. Recovery Kit
> 11. Mike's Love Xexagon
> 12. Susan Vs. Youth Club

don't ya think these sound like spoof Fall titles that you read every now
and again - esp. Susan Vs Youth Club...

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:55:48 -0000
From: "Keith Knight" <steeleknight@lineone.net>
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send

Hmm, not the strongest thing they've done in my book.  There's an air of
camp rather than menace about the doom and gloom and it's a rather
leaden listening experience.  Still, at least they're still
experimenting with sound and format.

Another the Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw
Sent: 29 March 2003 00:13
To: Ideal Copy List
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hear New Wire Track from Send

On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:08:00PM -0500, Rain19c@aol.com wrote:
> Surprised no one is talking about this....Although I did see one post
about 
> it...

Talk about an attention grabbing title. I'm listening now...

> It's a very different track from the R&Bs - slow, ominous, and morbid 
> sounding - reminds me a bit of Indirect Enquiries, but this is new
territory 
> for Wire.

Sounds almost industrial, with the clattering percussion (how much of
that
is Real artifacts is up for question); the change in vocal style for the
chorus is certainly interesting (refreshing, even)

I like it, particularly the chattery, metallic, delayed/gapped rhythm
guitar.  Very, um, and there's no other way of describing
it... *heavy*; not in the cliched classic metal or rap-metal ways
(most of which frankly aren't at all heavy), but more in the sense of
ominousness, implied emotional trauma.

Dark music for dark times...

- - Andrew

- -- 
email: andrew@lexical.org.uk
http://www.lexical.org.uk/
Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge
http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/
CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online
http://www.cur1350.co.uk/

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:23:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] re:WIRE touring USA...............

SEE (below) It's already working,now if y'all pester your local clubs...............(Tx Miles)
 Frank Heath <frank@catscradle.com> wrote:Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:09:30 -0500
To: Ari Britt 
From: Frank Heath 
Subject: re:WIRE touring USA...............(from Ari)

thanks ari.I'll pester their booking agent!


  Miles Goosens <wireadmin@mindspring.com> wrote:
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:06:49 -0600
To: idealcopy@smoe.org
From: Miles Goosens
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] no US tour for me pt.1.2

At 12:53 PM 3/27/2003 -0800, Ari Britt wrote:
>As the list owner you must at least have the boy's 'ear',why not ask them to
>do a more extensive tour Miles to give us all a chance of seeing them.Ari

Not to start a rumor but there's still six months after this in 2003, so maybe this isn't the only transatlantic jaunt for them. Though it might be.
Everything so far with this version of Wire has been very natural and unforced, the group seeing where playing together again would take them, physically as well as artistically, so my guess is if there's U.S. demand -- bookers and venues saying "come/come back!" -- they'd respond. Rather than pester the group, I'd pester any local promoters who'd be willing to stage a Wire show.
later,

Miles
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:02:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Fergus Kelly <lockupyourhats@yahoo.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] How small is small

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:11:10 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The worm in the (empty) bottle

just out of curosity, how small is "small"? 

I saw an improv trio there a couple of years ago, playing to the proverbial three men and a dog... I'm not a great judge of capacity, but I'd say you'd be doing well to squeeze 250 - 300 people in. The stage is in a corner, with a bar diagonally opposite. To describe it a bit better: as you come in the door, the stage is over in the left corner, to the right is a long bar area with tables and chairs. Though, if they'd any sense, they'd remove these for the Wire gig. Bruce played there in 96 - in a shed !

Fergus

 

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:37:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Santa Cruzer <r_j_h@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re:WIRE touring USA...............

As one of those local promoters, I'll add my two bits
on this thread!

When Wire was touring R&B, I contacted their booking
agency, The Billions Corporation, about trying to
bring Wire to Santa Cruz. As an aside, they also
represent Godspeed You Black Emporer, Nick Cave, and
Neubauten, all of whom I've requested info on.

Anyway, I was told that Wire requires a guarantee of
at least $10,000 to play one show! Now I had been
hoping to get them into a venue with a capacity of 700
that has  no drink sales to offset their own costs and
runs about $1200 to rent for a live show. So the
tickets would have to be outrageously expensive to
make that work. 

With that as a background, I would likely go bankrupt
and the venue would probably lose money as well. For
the record, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds' requested
guarantee was about four times that much! Not sure
about the others!

Anyway, not to sound too pessimistic, but I think the
resources of local promoters like myself are not in
the right league for a show like Wire. Sadly, in this
part of California at least, that leaves only Bill
Graham Presents (AKA Clear Channel Communications)
with enough money to put on such a show. So you get
Wire playing at the Fillmore or the Great American
Music Hall, and Nick Cave at the Warfield.

Sorry to sound so negative, but I've been bumping into
this alot lately. And for all of the local promoters
around here, concert attendance is down by about a
third.

...plus I woke up with a bit of a hangover this
morning! :)

Anyway, I do plan to head up to SF for the GAMH show,
so if any Ideal Copyists plan on being there, maybe we
can meet for a round or three before the show!

> Not to start a rumor but there's still six months
> after this in 2003, so maybe this isn't the only
> transatlantic jaunt for them. Though it might be.
> Everything so far with this version of Wire has been
> very natural and unforced, the group seeing where
> playing together again would take them, physically
> as well as artistically, so my guess is if there's
> U.S. demand -- bookers and venues saying "come/come
> back!" -- they'd respond. Rather than pester the
> group, I'd pester any local promoters who'd be
> willing to stage a Wire show.
> later,



=====
Rick Hindman, 3R Productions
PO Box 7770
Santa Cruz, CA 95062
t: (831) 425-7335
f: (831) 425-7356
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:41:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Santa Cruzer <r_j_h@yahoo.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] Wire and....

BTW-

I was just visiting the GAMH website, at:

http://www.musichallsf.com/calendar/index.html

and noticed that the night before Wire plays is Jah
Wobble and Deep Space! I'm quite intrigued by that and
would like to know if any Copyists have seen them and
would give a "yea/nay" on them live.



=====
Rick Hindman, 3R Productions
PO Box 7770
Santa Cruz, CA 95062
t: (831) 425-7335
f: (831) 425-7356
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:58:44 -0800
From: "Paul Pietromonaco" <paulp@wrq.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] Wire reference in...

...well, um, er.. Blender magazine.  There - I've said it! (^_^)

In the current issue - April 2003 - there is a section on the 500 CDs you
must own.  In the "Alternative Rock" section is this listing:

Wire - Pink Flag
(Restless 1977)
Wire were the British pioneers of art-punk, and their angular, unsettling
songs often did their work in little more than a minute.  A quarter-century
on, their debut still sounds contemporary:  Those who adore the Strokes will
find much to please them here.  Standout track: "Three Girl Rhumba".

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:10:30 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire reference in...

meant to mention that myself, having glimpsed at that list at the local
books-a-million a couple of evenings ago. of course, said list also includes
4 u2 discs, nothing by the fall, etc -- pretty boilerplate stuff, to be
honest, with even the wire comments being pretty much received wisdom these
days.

at the same store last night i saw a brief review of send in rolling stone,
of all bloody places (though as mentioned before a review in the same mag
circa the spring of '78 is what alerted me to pink flag's existence). ditto
for the new magnet, which -- unlike the other 2 -- i actually brought.

dan



>...well, um, er.. Blender magazine.  There - I've said it! (^_^)
>
>In the current issue - April 2003 - there is a section on the 500 CDs you
>must own.  In the "Alternative Rock" section is this listing:
>
>Wire - Pink Flag
>(Restless 1977)
>Wire were the British pioneers of art-punk, and their angular, unsettling
>songs often did their work in little more than a minute.  A quarter-century
>on, their debut still sounds contemporary:  Those who adore the Strokes
will
>find much to please them here.  Standout track: "Three Girl Rhumba".
>
>Cheers,
>Paul

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:43:03 +0100
From: "Tim" <tim@kidsindestructible.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Manitoba.

http://www.posteverything.com/artists/artist.php?id=57

I think I know where he's comin' from and I like it.

He's an electronic artist, but he's also a very blunt reactionary to the
dry, academic Laptop  wankery that dominates the scene at the moment. he
namechecks Brian Wilson, My Bloody Valentine, Spacemen 3 and
Timbaland....man after my own heart.




Your computer has a soul.
http://www.kidsindestructible.com

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:18:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Keith Astbury wrote:

> don't ya think these sound like spoof Fall titles that you read every now
> and again - esp. Susan Vs Youth Club...

Wasn't "Susan vs. Youthclub" on the EP _Fall Vs 2003_ already? If it's
parody it's self-parody...

a

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:04:08 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: Da Prinz/Falltitles OT

> > don't ya think these sound like spoof Fall titles that you read every
now
> > and again - esp. Susan Vs Youth Club...
>
> Wasn't "Susan vs. Youthclub" on the EP _Fall Vs 2003_ already? If it's
> parody it's self-parody...

you know what i mean

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:13:01 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire reference in...

From: dan bailey
> at the same store last night i saw a brief review of send in rolling
stone,

What did they have to say, Dan? Good or bad?

Anyone else having difficulty locating the Send track on that link. I
scrolled down about 10 shows last night, but couldn't find a single mention
of Wire.

Really looking forward to hearing it. Andrew paints it out all doom and
gloom, AT Keith describes it as 'camp'. Any further views, cos I'm not sure
whether to get my long mac back out or search for my feather boa ; )

Keith

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