From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #85 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] A Case [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] A Case [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] OT: Josef K ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Josef K [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:24:20 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Case > >>there's an interview with the singer. now he sounds and looks > > exactly like colin but he's referred to throughout as "Klive". i hadn't > > heard this one before ; did kolin really try to adopt a more punky > moniker > > at this point?<< Klive Nice, no less. And he was not alone in adopting a psuedonym. Which member of Wire, do you think, was, ahem, Hornsey Transfer? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:07:13 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire >> Brain Donor's 7" monster Pagan My Ass... > > --------------------- > > And what's this like? - absolute rave review in the Guardian's Guide > last week. Well Passionate Friend it ain't! It's very raw, with a real Stooges type riff and distorted Jools vocs - and there's even a wah wah gtr solo! The b-side - Like A Motherfucker! - which the Guide preferred, is pretty good, too, albeit in a pre-punk heavy rock kinda way. (BTW This weeks Track of the Week in The Guide is Bandages by Canadian band Hot Hot Heat, which I may have mentioned before - a rather spiffing (and very lively) pop 45 with Robert Smith-like vocals) > I saw Brain Donor a couple of years ago as part of Julian's curated > weekend on the South Bank - they were fun, if a little basic. Real glam > rock chords in there though. I missed that - it was a couple of weeks after the Wire RFH gig and so I'd had one expensive gig excursion that month! The excellent Cope website reckons that a fair proprtion of the audience walked out. Is that right - or myth? (Bizarrely, I can find no mention of the Pagan 45 on his website (Sisterr Ray were advertising it), though I noticed there's a new bits & bobs double cd out apparently called something like Too Freud to Rock'n'Roll, Too Jung to Die - which I think includes that particular gig. Although I haven't got that rather lamely titled album yet, I can offer a view on the other Brain Donor stuff...Overall I'd say that it's more rock than glam, more - say early Sabbath & The Stooges than Slade or Sweet - but whilst I still long for a 'proper' Julian album, it does contain some great moments - particularly the singles She Saw Me Coming and Get Off Your Pretty Face (which is actually not unlike lesser produced St Julian stuff, with - to quote The Clash - guitars!) Whilst on the subject of Cope, his other recent Cope stuff is as follows; Ambient Metal by L.A.M.F. - More Jules goes 'rawk' with one track that's 22 minutes of turgid riffs. But in a good way! Rite Now by Julian Cope - the 3rd Rite album. Four lengthy predominatly instrumental tracks, or as the sleeve says '4 Meditational Funkathons'. The opening 20 min track Twilight of the Motherfuckers is great, and the following track Give the Poet Some has Julian talking bollocks over a beautiful intro before getting seriously funky. Keith NP Nirvana - lithium ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:11:24 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Case > And he was not alone in adopting a psuedonym. > > Which member of Wire, do you think, was, ahem, Hornsey Transfer? Hahahaha. Not exactly Dee Generate is it!!! Please tell me it wasn't Graham! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:57:11 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire In a message dated 23/03/2003 16:07:51 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > BTW This weeks Track of the Week in The Guide is Bandages by Canadian band > Hot Hot Heat, which I may have mentioned before - a rather spiffing (and > very lively) pop 45 with Robert Smith-like vocals) > Went out & got this last week after a couple of hearings.Good single as it goes although the two Ride CD EP's I picked up this week - twisterella & birdman are getting more attention.On topic - I don't know London very well & wondered whereabouts the Barbican was. I will be staying in a hotel - not yet booked & wondered if there were any recommendations from anyone regarding accommodation.Much appreciated. Off list would be fine. Got my MZUI CD last week.Thanks Kevin & can I congratulate those responsible for a job well done in putting it together.Never thought I would see it on CD.Wonders never cease. NP.Swim - Water Communication (Lobe are wonderful are they not ?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:59:57 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Case In a message dated 3/23/03 11:11:33 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >> And he was not alone in adopting a psuedonym. >> >> Which member of Wire, do you think, was, ahem, Hornsey Transfer? > > >Hahahaha. Not exactly Dee Generate is it!!! > > >Please tell me it wasn't Graham! my money was on bruce for that one. so, one more guess and one of us'll be right! - -paul c.d. n.p. durutti column - lips that would kiss/madeleine www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:32:10 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > I saw Brain Donor a couple of years ago as part of Julian's curated > weekend on the South Bank - they were fun, if a little basic. Real glam > rock chords in there though. I missed that - it was a couple of weeks after the Wire RFH gig and so I'd had one expensive gig excursion that month! The excellent Cope website reckons that a fair proprtion of the audience walked out. Is that right - - or myth? - -------------- Well, they didn't come on until gone 2300 IIRC, so it's hardly surprising that people were walking out - and I'm sure most people felt that after a couple of songs they'd got the point. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:58:56 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Klive Nice Paul wrote << > 4.8.77) there's an interview with the singer. now he sounds and looks > exactly like colin but he's referred to throughout as "Klive". i hadn't > heard this one before ; did kolin really try to adopt a more punky moniker > at this point? >> Yes - this was referred to in the Guardian Questionnaire interview colin did a couple of years back. He said (I quote from memory) 'when I was young and stupid I called myself Klive Nice for about five minutes'. I believe Graham Lewis also briefly adopted the name Hornsey Transfer (I assume from the art college). That's in one of the liner notes somewhere. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:30:34 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Klive Nice & how many list members had noms des punques back in the day? otto accident ... uh ... dan >Paul wrote > ><< > 4.8.77) there's an interview with the singer. now he sounds and looks >> exactly like colin but he's referred to throughout as "Klive". i hadn't >> heard this one before ; did kolin really try to adopt a more punky moniker >> at this point? >> > >Yes - this was referred to in the Guardian Questionnaire interview colin >did a couple of years back. He said (I quote from memory) 'when I was young >and stupid I called myself Klive Nice for about five minutes'. > >I believe Graham Lewis also briefly adopted the name Hornsey Transfer (I >assume from the art college). That's in one of the liner notes somewhere. > >Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:39:47 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Josef K Just getting into Josef K having stumbled across them on the LTM website. (Well they had split up by the time I was 8 years old) Beautiful stuff, and sits very nicely somewhere between Wire, Joy Division, ACR, Orange Juice and Pere Ubu. What strikes me is that there are loads and loads of genius bits of melody and guitar that last about five seconds and all done on scratchy little guitars...rushes by in a blur. You wonder what they might have become. And Chance Meeting is a wonderful, lost pop classic to rival Outdoor Miner or Map Ref. I think 'Sorry For Laughing' should be in the list of LPs all Wire fans should own. But I'd be interested to know what other listees think of these. Any opinions, stories? Is the Live CD 'Crazy to Exist' worth getting? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:29:14 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Josef K In a message dated 3/23/03 7:40:56 PM, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > > >But I'd be interested to know what other listees think of these. > >Any opinions, stories? > >Is the Live CD 'Crazy to Exist' worth getting? josef k were one of those shoulda woulda coulda bands. seeing how little chart success the band james has had here in the u.s., i don't think josef k or paul haig would've done any better. however, my understanding is that james were pretty huge in england (elsewhere in europe?), so maybe the same would have been true for josef k if things had kept going. i don't have the live one either, so i'd be interested to know what anyon...i mean, what mark thinks ;o) i'm sure he's got some words on the subject. take it away mark... - -paul c.d. n.p. spongebob squarepants gotta go, commercial's over www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #85 ******************************