From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #83 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 22 2003 Volume 06 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] From Ari : Incredible String Band - March 2003+ U.S tour.... [Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > Would have had to borrow my dad's car (as there > was no way back from Liverpool after about 10pm), and was frankly fearful of > having to explain why it no longer had wheels. Scousers on the list, please > don't be appalled at my cliched painting of your kinfolk. I was young. First time I drove to Liverpool (also '79), I was told in no uncertain terms by a local chap not to park opposite Erics if I wanted any wheels left on the car. > Eric's was a f***ing dump! Oh it was great! I only went a couple of times - Teardrops/Bunnymen/Expellaires & a few months later, The Damned. Although the Teardrops were better a couple of weeks before at Chester Arts Centre (an absolutely seminal performance that has ultimately resulted in me being a life-long Cope fan and buying Brain Donor's 7" monster Pagan My Ass only last week!), the atmosphere was great there, particularly for the non-local act Damned gig strangely enough. Dingy as fuck, of course! And the cloakroom attendants nicked a badge off my coat!!! Whilst talking about Erics & car parking, my car was parked in the St Matthews Precinct car park when I went to see The Damned - the night that the precinct went up in flames! Fortunately, the emergency services had started moving cars out and I found mine in a car park opposite the Empire. Phew... >BTW the Passions were support on the following tour (the one I saw in >Liverpool) as well. Fiction records getting their pound of flesh.... This reminds me.... I was looking at a late 90's fanzine, Star Star, the other night. It's dedicated to Billy MacKenzie and features interviews with Alan Rankine and Mike Dempsey, which a few people here may find of interest... Q. You were in The Cure, you played on on Boys Don't Cry. How and why did you jump over to the Associates? Dempsey - Because the Associates were also signed to Fiction records. I was asked to play on some demo's of there's, I think purely for economy's sake.... which more than proves Mark's point! Dempsey continues... ...and I really liked their music because I think it was so inventive. It was very did-similar to what The Cure were doing at the time. What was happening with The Cure's music, was it was getting much more insular. Robert wanted a particular atmosphere which was particular to him. It's difficult when you've got someone who's in that position because really, it's got to be his vision all the way, and although what he did on 17 Seconds and all those records is really good, anyone else who was in the group at the time would have to be slightly there for the ride. You would definitely just have to say most of the time 'well, whatever you say', and that wasn't really my character. Plus in the Associates, well...there was more for me to do! Literally, within the music, plus the Associates looked like they were going to make TOTP, that was quite an attractive proposition. It was the opposite of the Cure. The Cure was very insular and rather down at the time and the Associates were fun and wild. It took a while before the Associates actually got to make records; in the meantime it was sporadic gigs if I remember rightly...no we went up to Scotland, that's what we did. We went up to do those Edinbugh festivals in the summers and we rented a house there, we all lived there and toured around all these seedy bars and clubs. The Dempsey interview also features this ... Q. Were you unhappy with the remixed Affectionate Punch? Dempsey - Yes, it was terrible! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:01:27 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire >Keith I also saw the American guy (hey - it wasn't any of you lot was it?) a >week or two later at the Camden Electric Ballroom for the splendid >line-up of The Pop Group, Nico, Linton Kwesi Johnson and Cabaret >Voltaire. Ah, they don't do line-ups like that anymore...(drifts off >into reverie). > //////////////////////// INDEED they don't! What I would have given to be THERE! Eric in Toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:13:31 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire In a message dated 3/21/03 5:34:47 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << The Dempsey interview also features this ... Q. Were you unhappy with the remixed Affectionate Punch? Dempsey - Yes, it was terrible! Keith >>>>>>>>> will the original Affectionate Punch EVER be re-issued ??? i have a made a pretty decent cd-r from the old vinyl, but i would like to see an official release.. and some extras tacked on (like the b-side of title track single).... here's to wishing, cheers, RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:20:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire In a message dated 3/21/2003 3:13:31 PM GMT Standard Time, RLynn 9 writes: > < pretty decent cd-r from the old vinyl, but i would like to see an official > release.. and some extras tacked on (like the b-side of title track > single).... > > here's to wishing,<< Same old problem about licence fees. Labels like LTM are always looking for stuff like this, but if the masters are owned by a major label, they usually demand stupid fees that make the exercise of pressing 1,000 copies unviable. See also - Scars, Modern Eon, Comsat Angels etc etc... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:29:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > >>First time I drove to Liverpool (also '79), I was told in no uncertain > terms > by a local chap not to park opposite Erics if I wanted any wheels left on > the car.<< I did do that a few times (basically parking on top of the Cavern!) and got away with it... I guess there was no demand for Vauxhall Viva wheels. > > Eric's was a f***ing dump! > > Oh it was great!<< Didn't say it wasn't great. But definitely a dump. Smelled of piss. >> I only went a couple of times - > Teardrops/Bunnymen/Expellaires & a few > months later, The Damned.<< I saw the Fall there, a Factory night with Section 25, the Au Pairs. It had changed its name to Bradys by then (for tax dodge reasons). >>Althoughthe Teardrops were better a couple of weeks before at Chester Arts > Centre (an absolutely seminal performance that has ultimately resulted in me > being > a life-long Cope fan and buying Brain Donor's 7" monster Pagan My Ass only > last week!),<< I saw the Teardrops at Mountford Hall in May 80 (in fact the night Ian Curtis topped himself) and they were truly stunning. >>the atmosphere was great > there, particularly for the non-local act Damned > gig strangely enough. Dingy as fuck, of course! And the cloakroom > attendants nicked a badge off my coat!!!<< Bastards. Why did you leave your coat? Was it not a cool long mac? Some sad old anorak perhaps? ;-) > >>Whilst talking about Erics & car parking, my car was parked in the St > Matthews Precinct car park when I went to see The Damned - the night that > the precinct went up in flames! Fortunately, the emergency services had > started moving cars out and I found mine in a car park opposite the Empire. > Phew...<< Lucky! > > >BTW the Passions were support on the following tour (the one I saw in > >Liverpool) as well. Fiction records getting their pound of flesh.... > > This reminds me.... > > I was looking at a late 90's fanzine, Star Star, the other night. It's > dedicated to Billy MacKenzie and features interviews with Alan Rankine and > Mike Dempsey, which a few people here may find of interest... > > Q. You were in The Cure, you played on on Boys Don't Cry. How and why did > you jump over to the Associates? > > Dempsey - Because the Associates were also signed to Fiction records. I was > asked to play on some demo's of there's, I think purely for economy's > sake.... > > which more than proves Mark's point!<< For more on Michael D's current activities (and a few fascinating Associates downloads) go to his website.... Seems like a thoroughly decent bloke - the Derek Smalls "lukewarm water" to McKenzie & Rankine's fire & ice ;-) http://www.mdmmedia.com/ Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:09:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] robin guthrie Someone (Robert?) mentioned the Cocteau's the other day...well there's an interview with Robin Guthrie in todays Times if anyone is interested. He's living in France and has a new solo LP Imperial out on Mon. His band Violet Indiana is on hold cos the singer is pregnant. Keith NP Talking Heads - stop making sense ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] From Ari : Incredible String Band - March 2003+ U.S tour.... Incredible String Band wrote:Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:52:09 GMT From: "Incredible String Band" To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com Subject: Incredible String Band - March 2003 BODY {SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: #000000; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #000000; SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #CCCCCC; SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #CCCCCC; SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #CCCCCC; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #000000; SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #666666; } press release 21st March 2003 Never say never! At a time when reunions and reformations were ` la mode in the world of popular music, Sixties legends The Incredible String Band seemed destined to remain no more than a fond memory to their many loyal fans. ISB mainmen Mike Heron, Robin Williamson and Clive Palmer had steadfastly resisted the temptation to trade on their past achievements, preferring to pursue their respective solo careers. But a renewed awareness in recent years of the ISB's importance in the history development of 20th century popular music amplified the calls for some sort of reunion. Way back in the 1960's, Heron and Williamson laid the foundations for the band's kaleidoscopic eight-year career, which took them out of Scotland's folk clubs and ultimately to Woodstock. On that long, strange trip they profoundly influenced the development of popular music: the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and many others drew inspiration from the ISB's unique eclecticism and instinctive originality. At the turn of the Millennium Heron, Williamson and Palmer finally bowed to the clamour of Stringfandom worldwide and renewed their partnership. The Incredible String Band were reborn, and this time round included Welsh keyboard wizard Lawson Dando as well as Bina Williamson. Between 2000 and 2002 they toured a show generously stocked with classics from the band's high summer but also featuring some less identifiably "string band" material. After these concerts fans increasingly demanded that the band renew full time gigging and sought the return of the multi-instrumentalist approach core to the band's ethos. The decision to meet this demand and become a full-time touring band was incompatible with the demands of Robin Williamson's varied solo projects and therefore it was felt best that the band would change its line-up reflecting the renewed commitment to touring. The remaining line-up of Heron, Palmer and Dando has been augmented by the singer and multi-instrumentalist Fluff, and, respecting Williamson's absence, the band name has been changed to incrediblestringband2003. The centrepiece of the new repertoire is likely to be Heron's 13-minute epic A Very Cellular Song, unperformed in its entirety since 1968 and regarded by many as the finest flowering of the ISB's genius, the rest of the material performed will mostly come from the much loved first 5 albums. 2003's touring schedule includes a prestigious US tour, more dates in the UK and on the continent, and the band's Icelandic debut! The song has no ending news The April tour of the US has now been cancelled as a result of the uncertain times we're living in at the moment, the downturn in the US economy and Donovan's decision to re-schedule his US tour for later in the year - Donovan was to co-bill with the band on several of the shows. The plan now is to re-schedule for October or November 2003. A UK tour is currently being booked to run 26th September through 14th October - dates will be announced nearer the time. In the meantime the incrediblestringband2003 is to make its Icelandic debut in Reykjavik on the 30th May  negotiations are underway with Icelandic National Radio to record the show. Anyone wishing to combine a holiday with seeing the band in Reykjavik should check out budget airline Iceland Express www.icelandexpress.com Prior to this the band will play a warm-up show at Telfords Warehouse, Chester  tickets are on sale now. The band will also co-bill with Robert Plant, Roy Harper and Deborah Bonham at this years Canterbury Fayre on the 23rd August. May 13th Telford's Warehouse, Chester B/O 01244 390090 30th Islenska Opera, Reykjavik B/O 00 354 511 5656 12tonar@12tonar.is August 22nd Nantwich Folk Festival B/O 01270 611948 www.folk-roots.co.uk 23rd Canterbury Fayre B/O tba A campaign is under way to get Roughnecks shown again on the BBC or on one of its affiliated channels, as well as released on DVD. Those who saw the series, first broadcast in 1995, may remember one of the main characters was an Incredible String Band fan - a number of references were made to the band in the script, with their songs widely used as background music. Mike Heron and the Acoustic Band even appeared as themselves in one of the episodes with Ricky Tomlinson (Royle Family) as part of the wedding scene. Those wishing to add their voice to the campaign should email the following- greg.dyke@bbc.co.uk ukgold@bbc.co.uk uktv@bbc.co.uk Expect a Spring reissue of Mike Heron's classic Smiling Men With Bad Reputation album. In addition to the album being remastered expect to see the lyrics reinstated in the booklet along with a foreword by Joe Boyd. The beGlad fanzine editors Raymond Greenoaken, Adrian Whittaker and Andy Roberts in conjunction with Helter Skelter plan to publish a Best Of the fanzine in hardback and paperback around October. The book will come with forewords by Joe Boyd and by the new Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams (who revealed his passion for things String on Desert Island Discs earlier this year). Plans are being laid for a book-launch in London on October 9th. Further details will be posted when we have them. We are currently making some major changes to the design of the website and hope to have the new site up and running by the 1st April. email: uniquegrav@globalnet.co.uk web: www.incrediblestringband.com - -- To unsubscribe from: Incredible String Band, just follow this link: http://www.conroyandco.co.uk/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=u&l=Incredible_String_Band&e=luvjazzz@yahoo.com&p=6529 Click the link, or copy and paste the address into your browser. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:24:57 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Colin/Tigerfish, etc Apology accepted, Ari, I've been too shy to ask . . . And, hey, the tigerfish interview is certainly worth recording; there's lots of interesting stuff in there that's new to me! Cheers, Robert (another) Subject: [idealcopy] With appologies to Robert... ..........for not asking for his permission for posting this,BUT........c'mon guys,SOME ONE must have it..........Ari "Cambra, Robert" wrote:From: "Cambra, Robert" To: 'Ari Britt' Thanks, Ari, but you recently sent me ATP from last year, which I'm enjoy quite a lot. I am still looking for the 'Sunday Garage' show from 2000--someone on the list must have it.> ********************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:10:03 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] They call themselves............ they're not even a real band ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:38:16 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire Keith - an absolutely seminal performance that has ultimately resulted in me being a life-long Cope fan and buying Brain Donor's 7" monster Pagan My Ass only last week!), - --------------------- And what's this like? - absolute rave review in the Guardian's Guide last week. I saw Brain Donor a couple of years ago as part of Julian's curated weekend on the South Bank - they were fun, if a little basic. Real glam rock chords in there though. Another the Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #83 ******************************