From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #82 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: [idealcopy] triggerfish/colin [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] more bad news from MS/windows update [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Yr Observations... [Mark McQuitty Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] triggerfish/colin I have recorded Colin onto cassette,if snyone wants a copy let me know and I'll commit it to c.d....Ari "Cambra, Robert" wrote: From: "Cambra, Robert" To: "'idealcopy@smoe.org'" , "'magnetic_north@www.neubauten.org'" Subject: [idealcopy] triggerfish Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:47:41 -0500 I'm such a dope--how can I download, record this. Thanks, Robert (another) Subject: [idealcopy] triggerfishHave listened to Web-tv, waste of time for doing this on TV, and recorded it.Colin mentioned he couldn't believe someone is taping this, but nevertheless.No news, Old cows ... we say in Holland. And much laughable. Will listen it tomorrow again. There is some food for thought.> *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:31:20 -0000 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Yr Observations... Nice one Andrew. I enjoyed yr observations of various IC posters. I'm thinking of printing it out for reference as a 'Handy Guide to the Ideal Copy List'. I agree with MarkB's remarks that no one person can criticise the list over content as we're all responsible for content. I say this as one who lurks more than I'd like but being on digest I always feel slightly behind the topic. I'm sure the discussion of list content took place some time back. I think it was agreed back then that more people should make the effort to post, myself included. So while I am posting I'd just say that the Colin interview in the current Wire is essential reading for all. I was especially chuffed to see Seefeel in the list and to hear that Colin was a fan. I thought his comments about the lineage of Seefeel from MBV and the apparent death of the movement were quite insightful. I still think that the area has not been fully explored. I don't know of many doing that kind of stuff right now. Silo come to mind. Does anyone have any recomendations? Bill? Cheers, MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:23:59 -0800 From: Eric Scott Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish/quicktime link Hi Robert, Mark... I thought triggerfish's connection was a bit unreliable, and so I pulled down the Quicktime directly to my hard drive to view it, using Explorer's Download Mgr, and this link. http://www.triggerfish.de/videos/newman_gross.mov I suppose you could also use any Quicktime media tool (like QT Pro, Media Cleaner Pro, etc.) to extract the audio as a file. (Personally I think the audio quality on the RealPlayer media is a bit punk next to the QT sound. Which may in fact, be a good thing, who knows!) Good luck, Eric - -- - ------------------------------------------------------ DAY for NIGHT voice: 310.393.3840 fax/modem: 310.393.2374 ericscott@dayfornight.com http://www.dayfornight.com ====================================================== >>>>I'm such a dope--how can I download, record this<< >>>> >>>> >>You need RealPlayer on your computer. It should download itself onto your >>system and then play. Alternatively copy the link into RealPlayer's own >>browser and play it from there. >> >> > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:58:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Yr Observations... In a message dated 3/20/03 6:33:16 AM Central Standard Time, Mark.McQuitty@dickinsoncontrol.co.uk writes: << So while I am posting I'd just say that the Colin interview in the current Wire is essential reading for all. I was especially chuffed to see Seefeel in the list and to hear that Colin was a fan. I thought his comments about the lineage of Seefeel from MBV and the apparent death of the movement were quite insightful. I still think that the area has not been fully explored. I don't know of many doing that kind of stuff right now. Silo come to mind. Does anyone have any recomendations? >> for other guitar manglers, reinterpreters, and all around droney and cacophonous hi-jinx check out: Tore Elgaroy Rafael Toral Stars of the Lid Guitar Oren Ambarchi Christian Fennesz Kevin Drumm Symptoms just to name a few....Graeme? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:40:13 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire Yeah, I was at the City Polytechnic gig. To tell the truth, my recollection of the gig itself is a little hazy and Wire's performance blends in with the other gigs of theirs I saw in that incarnation (I saw them twice at Liverpool Eric's too). On reading the introductory paragraph below I was brought up short as I hadn't realised I'd seen The Cure too but reading on I realize I didn't! My main recollection that night is turning up at the venue (alone - I'd just moved to London and hadn't found any Wire fans yet) before it opened. There was an American guy there too so we went to a nearby low-rent pub (this was a pre-gentrified East End venue back then) and had a few beers. After a while there the locals started taking an interest in us and I recall one old boy feeling up my thigh so we decided to go to the venue at this point. It was small - typical college student union size - and Wire were great but can't recollect what they played or conjure up any real specific memory which I could honestly say related to that gig and not the Erics ones. I also saw the American guy (hey - it wasn't any of you lot was it?) a week or two later at the Camden Electric Ballroom for the splendid line-up of The Pop Group, Nico, Linton Kwesi Johnson and Cabaret Voltaire. Ah, they don't do line-ups like that anymore...(drifts off into reverie). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco Sent: 18 March 2003 19:14 To: IdealCopy Subject: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire Okay - I'm late for work, so I might as well type this in. From 10 Imaginary Years, page 16: Parry decided the band should gain experience playing and booked them two dates with Wire, at Kent University on 5 October and London Polytechnic on the 6th. Robert: "They were so much better than us, I was horrified. They used white lights, dressed in black and white and their music was rigid, dramatic and very powerful, I immediately wanted to change in that direction, to get harder because we were small and lightweight in comparison." "I remember we were very nervous because this was the first proper concert we'd ever played and, on the way home, we crashed our van into a wall and nearly decapitated ourselves." "The next night we didn't make it to the venue. We got a lift from this bloke Phil who lived in Horley and had a van. But the van broke down and we had to wait for someone to come and fix it so we arrived at the gig at about eight-thirty, much too late, and Wire had just gone onstage. We asked if we could play after them but they thought it was a ploy and said no." "I remember Bill was really furious. He said 'You just can't do this or people won't book you'." Man - I would have love to have been at these gigs. Did anyone on IdealCopy see these shows? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:58:06 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > >>After a while there the locals started taking an > interest in us and I recall one old boy feeling up my thigh so we > decided to go to the venue at this point. It was small - typical > college student union size - and Wire were great but can't recollect > what they played or conjure up any real specific memory which I could > honestly say related to that gig and not the Erics ones. > > I also saw the American guy (hey - it wasn't any of you lot was it?)<< > > No, but the legendary student groper of old Shoreditch has been known to > frequent the list.... ;-) > One of the many gigs I didn't go to was Wire at Eric's. This would have been some time in summer 79 (as I'd just left school) - so I guess it would have been the '154' tour where they were playing all the unreleased stuff like Ally in Exile. Reasons of wimpiness really. Would have had to borrow my dad's car (as there was no way back from Liverpool after about 10pm), and was frankly fearful of having to explain why it no longer had wheels. Scousers on the list, please don't be appalled at my cliched painting of your kinfolk. I was young. It wasn't till the following year when I had my own wheels (Hillman Imp) and ventured as far as Liverpool for a gig - ironically, the Cure, at Mountford Hall, circa May '80. Eric's was a f***ing dump! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:16:44 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire Wuss! As I may have mentioned before I slept on the streets of Liverpool after one of the gigs at Erics - probably the one in May 78 which was on the same day as the Ipswich / Arsenal cup final, the first one I ever missed (that's Wirelove for you). I hitched down from Lancaster with friends (which took HOURS) and there was no train back until 5am, so we dossed around ending up on the steps of the Samaritans building (which we had mistakenly gone to on the grounds that they would be able to put us up, not realizing that they don't really have opening hours). Any better "I suffered for Wire" stories? I did encounter the 'look after you car for you mister' line at Manchester Electric Circus when a friend drove me down (in, yes, his Hillman Imp!) to see the Ramones and Talking Heads. I don't recall any problems, however, although those kids probably grew up to be the Happy Mondays. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 20 March 2003 23:58 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire >>After a while there the locals started taking an interest in us and I recall one old boy feeling up my thigh so we decided to go to the venue at this point. It was small - typical college student union size - and Wire were great but can't recollect what they played or conjure up any real specific memory which I could honestly say related to that gig and not the Erics ones. I also saw the American guy (hey - it wasn't any of you lot was it?)<< No, but the legendary student groper of old Shoreditch has been known to frequent the list.... ;-) One of the many gigs I didn't go to was Wire at Eric's. This would have been some time in summer 79 (as I'd just left school) - so I guess it would have been the '154' tour where they were playing all the unreleased stuff like Ally in Exile. Reasons of wimpiness really. Would have had to borrow my dad's car (as there was no way back from Liverpool after about 10pm), and was frankly fearful of having to explain why it no longer had wheels. Scousers on the list, please don't be appalled at my cliched painting of your kinfolk. I was young. It wasn't till the following year when I had my own wheels (Hillman Imp) and ventured as far as Liverpool for a gig - ironically, the Cure, at Mountford Hall, circa May '80. Eric's was a f***ing dump! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:07:51 -0000 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire Anybody here, went to the CURE/PASSIONS/ASSOCIATES Tour I was one of 25 at the Bradford UK Version - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > > It wasn't till the following year when I had my own wheels (Hillman Imp) and > ventured as far as Liverpool for a gig - ironically, the Cure, at Mountford > Hall, circa May '80. > > Eric's was a f***ing dump! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] They call themselves............ 10CCish,Beatlesish,very popy,brushes with Pink Floyd,at times almost Radiohead,'edgey',Zappaish,there goes Blind Faith,touches of umaguma,Wilco throughout,say hi to the Beach Boys,and oh so many more....they call themselves the Minus 5....check 'em out.......Ari Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:17:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] With appologies to Robert... ..........for not asking for his permission for posting this,BUT........c'mon guys,SOME ONE must have it..........Ari "Cambra, Robert" wrote:From: "Cambra, Robert" To: 'Ari Britt' Subject: RE:All Tomorrow's parties I'll include a copy of Alistair's disk. Thanks, Ari, but you recently sent me ATP from last year, which I'm enjoy quite a lot. I am still looking for the 'Sunday Garage' show from 2000--someone on the list must have it. Cheers, Robert _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:04:12 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > >>Wuss! << I know. Pathetic isn't it... >> As I may have mentioned before I slept on the streets of Liverpool after one of the > gigs at Erics b probably the one in May 78 which was on the same day as the > Ipswich / Arsenal cup final, the first one I ever missed (thatbs Wirelove > for you). I hitched down from Lancaster with friends (which took HOURS) > and there was no train back until 5am, so we dossed around ending up on the > steps of the Samaritans building (which we had mistakenly gone to on the > grounds that they would be able to put us up, not realizing that they donbt > really have opening hours). Any better bI suffered for Wireb stories?<< Well me and a couple of mates did travel from Blackpool on the overnight coach (not even National Express - its cheaper and far shitter rival Northwest Coachlines - a fiver day return) to see Mzui. The coach deposited us at a bomb site round the back of St Pancras (now the British Library) at about 5am and we wandered slowly down to Waterloo, killing several hours in cafes along the way, attempting to find the fabled "gallery" (an old warhouse) in which the event was being held. Nobody there when we got there. Ended up chucking stones at the window till Graham (in person - we expected art flunkies and receptionists) let us in. The coach back set off about 5 o'clock and got us back in time for last orders. > > >>I did encounter the blook after you car for you misterb line at > Manchester Electric Circus when a friend drove me down (in, yes, his > Hillman Imp!) to see the Ramones and Talking Heads. I donbt recall any > problems, however, although those kids probably grew up to be the Happy > Mondays.<< I think the same system applied at the Factory. Usual Manc destinations were Rafters or the Uni or Poly, which were much safer. Never had any problems, even when I upgraded from the Imp to the much flasher Vauxhall Viva. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:08:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Smith talks about Wire > >>Anybody here, went to the CURE/PASSIONS/ASSOCIATES Tour > I was one of 25 at the Bradford UK Version<< > > That tour did play at Preston Poly, and I can't for the life of me remember > why I didn't go. There was a good reason. > > This was the first 4-piece Cure (post Robert's Wire epiphany) tour. The set > is basically 17 seconds, but with mumbled half-lyrics.... BTW the Passions were support on the following tour (the one I saw in Liverpool) as well. Fiction records getting their pound of flesh.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:10:08 -0000 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Yr Observations... >>>for other guitar manglers, reinterpreters, and all around droney and >>>cacophonous hi-jinx check out: >>>Tore Elgaroy >>>Rafael Toral >>>Stars of the Lid >>>Guitar >>>Oren Ambarchi >>>Christian Fennesz >>>Kevin Drumm >>>Symptoms Robert, I know a few of yr list and I like what they do but I think Colin was referring to the axis of guitar mangling crossing beats with the seed being MBV's 'Soon'. Do any of the above get their groove on? I recall Eno mentioning 'Soon' as a very important piece. For me that track is seminal. Seefeel took up the challenge early on but as Colin remarked, they moved to Warp and forgot about the guitars. I want to see someone taking the dream-pop/shoegazer/cocteaus noise and mixing it with electronica/beats. Maybe I should start a band? Yeah right. Cheers, MarkM ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #82 ******************************