From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #81 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 20 2003 Volume 06 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By ["Gary Owens" ] RE: [idealcopy] Bad Business Plan? ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] an observation [MarkBursa@aol.com] FW: [idealcopy] Fwd: from People Like Us [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Andrews observations.... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Bollock/Sex ["Cambra, Robert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By surely most of Killing Joke's output would make a suitable soundtrack... not too sure if there is an anti-war sentiment there though........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By > >"Let's Start a War" by The Exploited > > > > And, don't forget - "Let's Have A War" by Fear. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:11:41 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire Mag Send Review Wire Mag do have an archive at www.thewire.co.uk but it is quite selective. Not sure that Colin's piece will make it on there anytime soon. Perhaps someone with a scanner could oblige Dan and anyone else who can't lay their hands on a copy? There is also a review of 'send' in this month's issue by someone called Tom Ridge. Not very insightful - it refers to a track called 'Mr Max Table', as well as to Bruce Gilbert singing on a track called 'Being Watched'. This could be hot news but is more likely to be lazy journalism. It also wastes a few words on Wire being 'witheringly contemptous' on the Roxy tour, not just towards the headliners, but to the audiences who turned up. This seems a bit strong, and smacks of someone desperately looking for an easy angle. Just for the record, I don't find anyone on this list boring. Of course there are posts that don't interest me - eg ones that descend to noughts-and-crosses levels of personal abuse - but on the whole I find the scroll bar a handy tool for dealing with anything that I don't want or need to read. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:59:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] True Crap Facts (We Used to Believe Him) > Can't actually remember what comments I made about Astbury but could it have > been that he's really very boring? Hahahahaha. That's like Cyril Smith telling someone they're fat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:57:28 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By Has anyone yet mentioned "Let's Panic Later"? Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Gary Owens Sent: March 19, 2003 5:19 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By surely most of Killing Joke's output would make a suitable soundtrack... not too sure if there is an anti-war sentiment there though........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Music to Drop Bombs By > >"Let's Start a War" by The Exploited > > > > And, don't forget - "Let's Have A War" by Fear. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:54:15 +0000 From: They wait Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation on 8/3/03 10:29 pm, rayographique at rayographique@yahoo.com wrote: > wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital > than ever > this discussion list seems less of either > I have to agree - there was a time when I looked at this list daily! I wonder how CN views the list? I know he used to look at it. They wait. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:20 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Bad Business Plan? I am missing the WWWIII/Sticks and Stones reference, but I think the furture is sythesizers and electronics with the immediacy of guitars. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: March 18, 2003 8:43 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bad Business Plan? In a message dated 3/18/03 4:52:26 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > >How very novel! >A sci-fi novel featuring technology! >What will they think of next? well, the future could always go down the mad max route... i also remember michael gira once stating something about technology not having a place in his music. something about in the future there won't be any synthesizers and electronics, but there will be guitars. - -paul c.d. n.p. durutti column - meschugana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:28 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire Mag Send Review Howard: on the whole I find the scroll bar a handy tool for dealing with anything that I don't want or need to read. /////////////////////////// With a finger poised over the "delete" key. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:12:25 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] an observation Not for lack of trying.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of They wait Sent: March 18, 2003 3:54 AM To: ideal copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation on 8/3/03 10:29 pm, rayographique at rayographique@yahoo.com wrote: > wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital > than ever > this discussion list seems less of either > I have to agree - there was a time when I looked at this list daily! I wonder how CN views the list? I know he used to look at it. They wait. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:28:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation << > wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital > than ever > this discussion list seems less of either > I have to agree - there was a time when I looked at this list daily! I wonder how CN views the list? I know he used to look at it. >> Hang on a minute. This works both ways. As a member of the list, it's up to YOU to come up with topics for discussion, rather than waiting for others to do so and then moaning when they don't. So come on... let's have some positive contributions! The list isn't just here for you to "look at" daily. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:53:32 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Fwd: from People Like Us > thought i'd forward this along from the Coil list: 4 April 2003 > > Cut and Splice Festival, The Institute for Contemporary > Arts, The Mall, > > London SW1Y 5AH (nearest tube: Charing Cross) > > PLU will play at some point between 8pm and 10pm, and all > will be done by > > 10.30pm. > > if anyone out there attends..please let me know what it was like... > > Robert Hi Robert According to the programme notes ... 'Cut & Splice...each event will be broadcast with interviews and web streaming late night on Saturdays on Radio 3's Hear & Now' so maybe you can get to hear some of it? Also on at the ICA 26th April is the Bis farewell gig... Don't think I've heard these but they sound interesting I've got a prior engagement that night tho' ;-} later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:02:49 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 10:28:38AM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > This works both ways. As a member of the list, it's up to YOU to > come up with topics for discussion, rather than waiting for others > to do so and then moaning when they don't. So come on... let's have > some positive contributions! There's a more subtle problem too. Currently, we have as subjects for list traffic, potentially - i) Practical stuff Wire playing a concert in the UK, so people choosing somewhere to meet. ii) Pointless speculation - "What's 'Send' going to sound like?" Apart from "Go and listen to RnB01/RnB02", there's not much constructive one can say to this, and in a way it feels kind-of rude to speculate. As such, short of what's on posteverything.com and pinkflag.com, there's not really so much one can *discuss* about Wire at the moment[1], busy as they are. Everyone knows the practical details by now, and though I know "Send" is my most-wanted record of the year, I'm not going to speculate what the new songs will be like until I hear them. "We're all still really looking forward to Send and flag:burning!" posts do not a busy mailing-list make. iii) Offtopic. This annoys a large number of people, because Wire are what I've referred to elsewhere as a "cusp band"; they exist on the fringes of four or five different fanbases. As an illustration, and sod the fact I'll probably offend everyone involved including myself, these are my impressions (incorrect, almost certainly, and filtered through my own biases) of five posters on the list's taste in music. ***DISCLAIMER*** If I'm wrong, I apologise unreservedly. No offence intended. Errors and omissions excepted. Don't run with scissors, you'll have someone's eye out with those. ***END DISCLAIMER*** Keith Astbury is your prototypical "educated" music listener in many ways; in a sense, the kind of person Radio 6 pitches at, to a large extent. I'm, I strongly expect, at heart an indie kid. I got into music, I freely admit, through listening to Radiohead, Blur, and REM; my music tastes have grown up and broadened a fair bit since, but I'm still a sucker for a pretty melody, and I don't think that'll ever change, even now I listen to far more Sonic Youth than mid-90s guitar pop. :) (In fact, Sonic Youth are by no means short on melodies....) Robert Lynn seems mostly into techno/electronica - much of which is very experimental, but is quite far from much of the guitar-based alternative which appears to be Bill Hick's main (by no means exclusive, but main) interst. Bill Hick appears to be into experimental music and independent culture in a very serious way - which is a noble (and necessary) calling, but very much not for everyone. (When it comes down to it, a lot of experimental music is experimental simply because it requires a *lot* of effort to understand and therefore appreciate.) Mark Bursa just knows *everything*. :) Hence, given these five fairly representative posters, is it really surprising that in offtopic posts, there's remarkably little unanimity on non-WIRE related issues? Our music taste covers everything from chart pop to Merzbow and back again... - - Andrew [1] Prove me wrong. Please, prove me wrong and come up with new and interesting Wirish insights. I know I'd like to read them. :) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:51:18 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation > << > wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital > > than ever > > this discussion list seems less of either > > > I have to agree - there was a time when I looked at this list > daily! I wonder how CN views the list? I know he used to look at it. > > Hang on a minute. > > This works both ways. As a member of the list, it's up to YOU to > come up with topics for discussion, rather than waiting for others > to do so and then moaning when they don't. > > So come on... let's have some positive contributions! The list isn't > just here for you to "look at" daily. > > Mark What are you missing exactly mr. Wait? Say what you like. Jan quote Colin There is more then one version of the real world. Everybody has to realize that. The news and what happens. All that stuff is important, but it is not the only reality. We have a personal reality as well. What happens in peoples lives and actually what motivates people to do to EXIST AND GO ON. Those things are just as important as what happens in the world. - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: RE: [idealcopy] an observation Eric Klaver wrote: From: "Eric Klaver" To: "They wait" , "ideal copy" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] an observation Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:12:25 -0500 Not for lack of trying.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of They wait Sent: March 18, 2003 3:54 AM To: ideal copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation on 8/3/03 10:29 pm, rayographique at rayographique@yahoo.com wrote: > wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital > than ever > this discussion list seems less of either > I have to agree - there was a time when I looked at this list daily! I wonder how CN views the list? I know he used to look at it. They wait. I would have thought that Colin would aprove,diversity is one of the things that makes this list stand out from the rest,who wants just one topic?no-one I suspect.Ari Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Andrews observations.... .......I'm into everything from Jazz(most types) to Zappa to Wilco to The Cure to Talking Heads to Arvo Part to Philip Glass to Kronos to Stockhausen to to to.............. right on Andrew........Ari Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:44:32 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Bollock/Sex Ah, this reminds me of a very funny album I haven't heard in years: the Bollock Brothers covering the entire "Nevermind the Bollocks" album. Gotta give that a spin again soon! Robert (another) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Camper Van Beethoven BTW - if you haven't purchased their cover of Fleetwood Mac's Tusk album (yup - the whole thing), you might want to consider picking it up. Originally recorded on a four-track cassette deck whilst trapped by snow in a small cabin and waiting for their drummer's arm to heal (he broke it in the snow!), and only recently rediscovered and finished, it's pretty darn cool. If you can't stand Fleetwood Mac in any shape or form, you won't enjoy this, but if you'd always wondered what CVB would have sounded like if they were a 70's supergroup, well, now you can find out. Cheers, Paul> *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:47:41 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] triggerfish I'm such a dope--how can I download, record this. Thanks, Robert (another) Subject: [idealcopy] triggerfish Have listened to Web-tv, waste of time for doing this on TV, and recorded it. Colin mentioned he couldn't believe someone is taping this, but nevertheless. No news, Old cows ... we say in Holland. And much laughable. Will listen it tomorrow again. There is some food for thought.> *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:11:39 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish Robert, > >>I'm such a dope--how can I download, record this<< > > You need RealPlayer on your computer. It should download itself onto your > system and then play. Alternatively copy the link into RealPlayer's own > browser and play it from there. Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #81 ******************************