From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #79 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, March 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ot Re: [idealcopy] Just up on Pollstar! ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] To make matters worse... ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Re: Killing an Arab [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] AndreWaRecords! [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] Re: Primetime Wire ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] Read and Burn 3 includes guest musicians Phil Thornally and Norm Westberg ["Paul Ye" Subject: Re: ot Re: [idealcopy] Just up on Pollstar! > A "Stooges" featuring the Brothers Asheton, Mike Watt and J Mascis has been > touring for the past couple of years.... According to last months Mojo..., Iggy's manager said Ig called the brothers and said he was interested in them working on a couple of tracks on his new LP. After what Mojo describes as "thrashing about for 3 days", they decided they could "re-create some of that raw power again", worked on a coupleof numbers and were due to record them in LA at the end of Jan. I'm rather less enthusiastic about the fact that he's also recorded 2 tracks with Green Day though! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:20:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Provisionally entitled... ...the talking fish! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2854189.stm Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:34:35 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Wire have been heavy users of military ideology as a jumping-off point for lyrics ("Pink Flag", "Reuters", "Agfers" to name but three very obvious examples). I suspect these songs are going to have a bit more resonance for me after the next few days, weeks or months (or even years...). I was too young for Gulf War 1 to mean much to me. This one, I'm old enough to be properly worried. Is anyone else thinking of going to this Saturday's demo in London? - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:46:01 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Provisionally entitled... This is what happens when you start drinking too early in the day... --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > ...the talking fish! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2854189.stm > > Mark ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:47:13 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:34:35PM +0000, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > I was too young for Gulf War 1 to mean much to me. This one, I'm old enough > to be properly worried. Is anyone else thinking of going to this Saturday's > demo in London? To cap it all, the radio station I present for just sent out the dread "in the event of war, go straight to news" email. Right, that's it. I need help here. I need a playlist of antiwar songs I can lay my hands on by 7pm tomorrow - it won't do any good, I know, but anyway. Wire's "Reuters" and "Agfers" to start with. I have two hours of airtime to fill, so suggestions (on or off list) are encouraged. (I'm sure there's something on "Entertainment!" by the Gang of Four I can use.) - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By > >>(I'm sure there's something on "Entertainment!" by the Gang of Four I can > use.)<< I'd recommend 'Guns before butter' or 'Not great men' Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:48 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By one of my favorites has always been Steppenwolf's "Monster" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:28:42 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Bruce Haack's extremely bizarre "Electric Lucifer" is a great anti-war MOOG freakout! yeah! dig it! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:32:27 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Midnight Oil is always good for anti-war songs. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:32:12 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Homophobia Dan Said: > > > isn't this what the Strokes should really be sounding like > >if they were worthy of the hype? Those art phag queerboys > > geez, graeme, i know places in alabama & arkansas where you'd be right at > home. > > dan This isn't the first time he has used the word 'Fag' or the silent-P ironic 'Phag', nor is it the first use of 'Queerboy'. I know Graeme isn't homophobic, but thats only because I have read enough of his work to know that he ain't no Redneck! he's being ironic, and perhaps in his mind...funny. NP. OMD - Stanlow. http://www.mcr26.freeserve.co.uk/shadows/Bruce/bruce.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:08:25 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] To make matters worse... Ok, so I knew that Iraq is selling oil ,with resitrictions, to France and Russia. However... Imagine my surprise when CBC radio reported this morning that Iraq is still selling oil to.... THE US!! A reporter talking to a representative from the US Department of Energy said that the US is buying oil form Iraq and also has increased their purchasing by 64% since September when the troubles in Venezula began. That means that someone, writing letters to their congress rep in support of the war, is filling their SUV and supporting the war effort of "insane" Saddam H. Even more ironically, the ships that are fuelling up to go to Iraq are likely loading up using a percentage of Iraqi oil. The hypocracy makes me sick. ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:02:26 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] To make matters worse... In a message dated 3/17/03 11:54:28 AM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << The hypocracy makes me sick. >> yes...but there has always been hypocrisy and there will always be hypocrisy...as long as human beings continue to entrust their rights, responsibilties, and decisions to others.... humans are greedy and warlike ... and this will not change either...unfortunately.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:15:08 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Munich Atomic cafe pictures announcement of gig in Spain, 24.5. Barcelona- Primavera Sound Festival / Spain and a lot of foto's on http://www.ibdbooking.de/ from the Atomic Cafe Munich last year click on gallery - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:19:28 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Ari Writes 'england' - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt > Ari wrote > What were you on Ian Early to mid eighties British Beef - and lots of it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Y'all should be playing 'a slight case of over- bombing' Sisters of mercy. (or Robert Smiths' 'Killing an Arab') sick world innit ...... Stephen Graziano wrote: From: "Stephen Graziano" To: "Andrew Walkingshaw" , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:48 -0500 one of my favorites has always been Steppenwolf's "Monster" Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:48:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By speaking of the cure, there's also the early (& smith-disavowed) track world war (a personal fave of mine). television's foxhole would fit as well ... possibly jd's they walked in line as well. dan >Y'all should be playing 'a slight case of over- bombing' Sisters of mercy. >(or Robert Smiths' 'Killing an Arab') >sick world innit ...... > Stephen Graziano wrote: From: "Stephen Graziano" >To: "Andrew Walkingshaw" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:48 -0500 > >one of my favorites has always been Steppenwolf's "Monster" >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:48:34 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By > >>(or Robert Smiths' 'Killing an Arab') > sick world innit ...... << Don't think Camus-inspired existentialism has much to do with the situation. Robert Smith must dread that song being picked up as some kind of call to arms. I hope you were being ironic, Ari! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:From: MarkBursa@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:48:34 EST Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >>(or Robert Smiths' 'Killing an Arab') sick world innit ...... << Don't think Camus-inspired existentialism has much to do with the situation. Robert Smith must dread that song being picked up as some kind of call to arms. I hope you were being ironic, Ari! Mark That's the whole fucking point! Robert wrote this as a protest song,and I don't think anyone would use it as a call for arms for christs sake............. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:01:04 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By > >>That's the whole fucking point! Robert wrote this as a protest song,and I > don't think anyone would use it as a call for arms for christs > sake.............<< > > No he didn't. It's not a protest song. > > It's a 3-minute condensation of Albert Camus' existentialist book > L'Etranger (the Outsider). > > Read the book and you'll get the song! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By I saw him in interview saying it WAS a protest song................... MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: From: MarkBursa@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:01:04 EST Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > >>That's the whole fucking point! Robert wrote this as a protest song,and I > don't think anyone would use it as a call for arms for christs > sake.............<< > > No he didn't. It's not a protest song. > > It's a 3-minute condensation of Albert Camus' existentialist book > L'Etranger (the Outsider). > > Read the book and you'll get the song! > > Mark Yahoo! 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Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By How do you know Robert wasn't fibbing when he said he fibs and,is this a ten minute arguement or a half hour one?...not another the Ari Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >> No he didn't. It's not a protest song. >> > >I saw him in interview saying it WAS a protest song................... > Beware of any interview Robert Smith gives. He liked to make stuff up for different reporters "just for fun". NOTE: I'm not saying that either of you are right or wrong here - I'm just issuing a general warning to not necessarily trust Robert Smith in interviews. (^_^) As far as I know, the only time Robert hasn't fibbed is in the book "Ten Imaginary Years". Also - the fibbing may only have been for a specific period of time - not sure if all the interviews are suspect, or just some from a certain time period. Cheers, Paul Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:40:55 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By >How do you know Robert wasn't fibbing when he said he fibs ? Mainly because if you read a block of his interviews, you can find areas where they don't match from interview to interview. (^_^) Plus - the Ten Imaginary Years book seems to try to be an attempt to finally set the record straight. Robert, prodded by his co-authors, fesses up to a lot of stuff he kept hidden for years. Definitely worth a read if you ever find a copy. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:43:32 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs Andrew, here's a playlist circa 9/12/01: John Lennon - New York City Wire - Take It (LFO remix) Suicide - Super Subway Connection Talking Heads - Don't worry about the Government H-A-L-O - Two Too State Tones on Tail - Here comes trouble Christchild - Washington A/C D/C Christchild - Blow it up Brian Eno - Baby's on Fire 999 - Emergency Ultravox - All Stood Still Robin Trower - Victim's of the Fury Oingo Boingo - Little Guns The Diodes - Shape of things to come H-A-L-O - The Fear Grows Adrian Belew - Fear is never Boring The Adverts - Safety in Numbers Malka Spigel - Hide Madonna - Ray of Light Tears for Fears - Mad World Defuser - World Suicide Shriekback - Lined Up The Cure - World War Hot Ticket - Suicide APB - Shoot you Down Flipper - Sex Bomb No Trend - Mass Sterilization Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia Black Sabbath - War Pigs Kraftwerk - Radioactivity The Stranglers - Tank The Stranglers - Enough Time The Stranglers - Threatened The Stranglers - In the Shadows The Cure - Killing an Arab The Call - Violent Times John Lennon - Don't want to be a Soldier / Give Peace a Chance Most of the above could be tied in to WTC / 9-11-01 somehow and/or future uncertainty; hope any will help out. Regards, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:53:39 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By Ari, >>I saw him in interview saying it WAS a protest song................... << FFS have you ever heard the song?? The lyrics are clear throughout, and there is absolutely way it could be construed as "a protest song". A simple search of the web will lead you to countless interviews with Big Bob about Killing an Arab. Here's one of them. http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2001/10/2907.cfm Paul P, you KNOW I'm always right ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:03:37 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 05:43:32PM -0600, voyteck@webtv.net wrote: > Andrew, > here's a playlist circa 9/12/01: Extremely enlightening, thank you everyone - my record collection needs a fair bit of treatment to contain most of these, sadly, and the CUR record library certainly ain't got them Currently, I have about an hour's worth, many of which the list will hate - but I'm pitching to a generalist audience here, so I try and sweeten the pill. Wire - "Pink Flag" Elvis Costello - "Olivers Army" Gang of Four - "Guns before Butter" gybe! - "Gathering Storm" Mogwai - "Like Herod" Kraftwerk - "Radio-Activity" REM - "It's the End of the World As We Know It" Joy Division - "Atrocity Exhibition" The Clash - "Career Opportunities" ("... I hate the army and I hate the RAF...") Bob Dylan - "Only A Pawn In Their Game" Primal Scream - "Swastika Eyes" Wire - "The Agfers of Kodack" Radiohead - "Lucky" the advantage of all the above being that they're in my record collection already, and i can't afford to spend a couple of hundred quid buying everyone's (excellent) suggestions. To my discredit, I don't have The First Letter. I shall just nip off and shoot myself humanely. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:05:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs > >>Oingo Boingo - Little Guns<< > > I think Andrew actually wants people to stay tuned to his show! ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:06:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs > >>The Clash - "Career Opportunities" > ("... I hate the army and I hate the RAF...")<< > > Surely "I'm so bored with the USA"!! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:10:57 -0500 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs Maybe it's too late to mention, but Dylan's "God on Our Side" is so very appropriate...... Also, don't forget "Masters of War." Date sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:03:37 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 05:43:32PM -0600, voyteck@webtv.net wrote: > > Andrew, > > here's a playlist circa 9/12/01: > > > Extremely enlightening, thank you everyone - my record collection needs > a fair bit of treatment to contain most of these, sadly, and the CUR record > library certainly ain't got them > > Currently, I have about an hour's worth, many of which the list will hate - > but I'm pitching to a generalist audience here, so I try and sweeten the > pill. > > Wire - "Pink Flag" > Elvis Costello - "Olivers Army" > Gang of Four - "Guns before Butter" > gybe! - "Gathering Storm" > Mogwai - "Like Herod" > Kraftwerk - "Radio-Activity" > REM - "It's the End of the World As We Know It" > Joy Division - "Atrocity Exhibition" > The Clash - "Career Opportunities" > ("... I hate the army and I hate the RAF...") > Bob Dylan - "Only A Pawn In Their Game" > Primal Scream - "Swastika Eyes" > Wire - "The Agfers of Kodack" > Radiohead - "Lucky" > > the advantage of all the above being that they're in my record collection > already, and i can't afford to spend a couple of hundred quid buying > everyone's (excellent) suggestions. > > To my discredit, I don't have The First Letter. I shall just nip off > and shoot myself humanely. > > - Andrew > > -- > email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ > Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ > CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:22:15 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (anti-) War Songs >> >>Oingo Boingo - Little Guns<< >> >> I think Andrew actually wants people to stay tuned to his show! ;-) >> Oddly enough, that would make me tune in. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:25:47 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music to Drop Bombs By >Paul P, you KNOW I'm always right ;-) > Have I ever said otherwise? (^_-) Cheers, Paul P.S. BTW - I've always thought the song was written about Albert Camus' "The Stranger" as well. I mean - even if Bob has fibbed in the past about it - a quick look at the lyric sheet proves it. (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:07:54 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Killing an Arab For what it's worth, the PBS broadcast (Image Union) of short flicks circa 1980, presented "Rock Lobster" as one of it's features. It was about some guy who loses his girl to an Arab, and includes "Killing an Arab" in a dream sequence, scripted exactly from the song itself (on the beach, etc et al). This further cemented the thought of anti - Arab connotations at that time, however, listening to it as I type & recent events, I do hear a possible greed effect: bewildered, killing strangers in a strange land (for oil?). And to further present confusion, Fire in Cairo's wordplay with 'mirrors' should draw some curious analysis. Very interesting how time(s) & circumstances bring out different thoughts & meanings of these & other songs. Album of the moment! voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] AndreWaRecords! Andrew, Check your library! You may be surprised what's there, and for free! If your ultra lucky, their collection is online ... check for website(s) to save time. Suggested search: peace, war, soldier(s), guns, weapons, tanks, (atomic) bombs, bullets, nuclear, doves, generals, majors, prisoner, surrender, love, hate, friends, enemys, future, greed, money, oil, power, victim(s), etc. et al. Well, I hope you can save time! voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:02:46 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Primetime Wire Well Hells bells. Shame on me for not seeing that one. I thought my mate Rick and I were the only Wire fans in Utah. I wonder if in the room next door where there was no camera one could hear "He is not... appreciated." Rest assured it was not me pimping Pink Flag but it would have been glorious had it been. Nice to see Wire got tube time in the Beehive State. God knows they wont get radio time. paulye Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:50:53 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Primetime Wire Did anyone catch ABC "Primetime Live" from last Thursday? The recovered Elizabeth Smart abduction story included a visit to a Utah resident, who sheltered & played music for the "unknown" threesome at the time. What did the Utah resident show the cameraman in his interview? 2 record albums fanned out, with Wire's Pink Flag in front! Pink Flag flashed on national tv for a few seconds, as such a thin connection to "Silence of the lambs" / Colin's "Alone" comes to mind. Hey Utah, are you on this list? Tell us your take on the matter if you are (or legally can as witness). Also curious of the "music you entertained them with" mention, as your "guests" appeared, well, different (dressed in sheets?) from most music enthusiasts I've been around (concert/club scenes do not count here). Regards from a Wire sighting, voyteck _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:19:01 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 3 includes guest musicians Phil Thornally and Norm Westberg I feel a bit stupid that this has gone this far. I never realized I wanted Bruce out of Wire. Come on now! So here comes the token disclaimer... I was just messing around... Everyone thinks about their other favorites playing in other bands. Boris Williams playing for Ian McCulloch, Billy playing in New Order and Vince Clark in Dome (just random examples). No one disputes that replacing Bruce for any reason is resonable. Just like Colin and Graham (and I think Robert is a must) are not replaceable. No Bruce No Wire. Not Billy. Not Bernard. There will be no hand injury, no one filling in. You know, it was cool to see Clapton jam with the Beatles but no one thought he would replace John Lennon! Now that the air is cleared and another thread ended we can continue talking about other things completely unrelated to Wire. Adieu. Paulye (anxiously awaiting the next US Wire tour like a bastard step child awaiting Christmas) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #79 ******************************