From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #74 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 06 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool... some self promotion [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] revisionist ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - Death Disco...(was Immersed in Jelly Bore) ["ian.s. jack] Re: [idealcopy] Frequency/Rez [Aaron Mandel ] [idealcopy] The Wild Swans ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Read & Zwan [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Fw: idlewire? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:08:04 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool... some self promotion >As I >have found out recently, there is some connection between >IC and > Freemasonry. Er, I must have missed that... looking forward to listening to yr tunes anyway. later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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These are developed in > laboratories > > outside Chicago. > for high density, innercity development on brownfield sites?;-) A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Bursacrap (Futile Rewind) Bill Hick wrote: From: "Bill Hick" To: "Ideal Copy" Subject: [idealcopy] Bursacrap (Futile Rewind) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:57:12 -0000 >>>Hick hack attacks have gone on for as long as I've been onboard. (list yawns in conjunction, as the latest liar steps up to get his share) "Bursacrap," anyone? The phrase "Bursacrap" was originally coined by Mark Bursa himself. Bitsilli@aol.con really has proved himself a master of revisionist hypocrisy yet again. If he shuts the fuck up maybe he'll stop embarrassing himself? Next time he feels like slandering me, perhaps he could trawl the smoe archive and get his facts right as his memory is clearly a little faulty. And maybe one day everyone will realize that you are nothing more than words on their screen and totaly ignore your preambles. Isn't there a saying in blighty that goes,sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me? Harsh as your words are,that's all they are,I remember several years ago whilste visiting england I was listening to the John Peel show,he commented on a photo of John Lydon doing the V sign in a music mag. John's comment was:'Still doing that eh Johnny?time you grew up.' Ari Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Korn C.D........ ......I have the limited edition version of Korn's 'Untouchables' if anyone wants it.....first come first served........I'm off to work,later.Ari Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:05:56 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] revisionist Bitsilli@aol.con really has proved himself a master of revisionist hypocrisy yet again. >Next time he feels like slandering me, perhaps he could trawl the smoe archive >and get his facts right as his memory is clearly a little faulty. Just to set the record straight, Billy did get his facts his right. He quoted verbatim what BH had said about me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:15:14 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar Quote from Har Mar Superstar from this week's Time Out Magazine: "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. And also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people that might party more and be more worried about having a good time than what Wire seven-inch they just bought." Which explains, I suppose, why I found his performance tedious in the extreme when I saw him supporting the Yeah Yeah Yeahs at the London Astoria last week. I started to wax nostalgically about the fact that Clash fans used to bottle off lippy New Yorkers who they didn't get on with while the kids of today just stand there and take it - although few seemed to be enjoying it. Can't say I got on with the YYYs either - Karen O works the audience in a too professional manner for my liking and I've found it difficult to buy into them musically either live or on record. I liked The Kills a lot more - Peej & Royal Trux similarities notwithstanding. There was a sweet moment when they move closer together as the song progesses, side on to the audience, a move I don't recall seeing before at least since Esther and Abi Ofarim. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:25:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar In a message dated 3/12/03 7:15:29 AM Central Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Quote from Har Mar Superstar from this week's Time Out Magazine: > > "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. And > also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people > that might party more and be more worried about having a good time than > what Wire seven-inch they just bought." > > hmmmm.... Wire, indie rawk?? ....i don't think so....Wire is Wire...an entity all their own.... and nobody has a good time or "parties" (god i hate that word..) at a Wire show..surely, this idiot has never been to a Wire show? how could you NOT jump around????? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:27:54 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Death Disco...(was Immersed in Jelly Bore) M.Bursa includes... >Charnel House hahaha...like it Mark, old Factory completists never die... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frequency/Rez On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > >Crossbow and an early computer game called > >Asylum (corker of a game that one)... > > i'm not familiar with either of these. are they around on the net nowadays? > what were they like? Crossbow should be available as a MAME ROM. It was part of a series of "first person" target-shooting games, the kind of thing they'd use a light gun for now but that at the time was handled with a big plastic toy mounted on the arcade cabinet. I remember Combat and Chiller as well; there might have been others. Just so there's some musical content to this post, I'll say that GoGoGo Airheart turned out to sound how I wanted the Liars to sound. Not an instant classic, but pretty good. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Keith Knight wrote: > Quote from Har Mar Superstar from this week's Time Out Magazine: > > "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. And > also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people > that might party more and be more worried about having a good time than > what Wire seven-inch they just bought." Either he's just rejecting his own childhood or this is all part of the Har Mar "joke", since a mere three years ago, Sean Tillmann of HMS released the song "Princess And The Pony" about how he wants to have Outdoor Miner played at his funeral. Well, okay, not *his* funeral, but the funeral of the narrator in the song. You can hear it at http://www.killrockstars.com/soundvideo Search for "Sean Na Na". a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:40:14 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Wild Swans Mentioned the Wild Swans recently re. regional compilations... You might want to check out the below link. On the news front it says... "We are currently putting together a compilation of their material from 1980 to 1986. In that period they only released one single but recorded 3 BBC radio sessions (including the Peel Session mentioned above) and demoed many other songs. We will let you know as soon as we get a release date." There's also a new interview with several members - inc Paul Simpson - at the below link. Interesting reading for anyone who thinks that Revolutionary Spirit was one of the best singles of it's era. And if you haven't heard Bring Home The Ashes LP, then take no notice of the band (who basically dismiss it). It's great! Keith http://www.renascent.co.uk/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:02:40 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD Thought this might interest some people. Various Artists Pillows & Prayers - The DVD CRDVD 24 2003 is a landmark year for Cherry Red Records, its twenty-fifth anniversary. As part of the celebrations we are releasing, for the first time ever on DVD, the visual accompaniment to one of the label's most recognised musical titles "Pillows & Prayers". The original Pillows & Prayers compilation album was released in the early 1980's and went on to top the Indie Chart, spending almost a year in the top 30. To this day it is still one of the most acknowledged releases from the label. The Pillows & Prayers video was released a few years after the album, and provides the main focus of the DVD. Many of Cherry Red's most popular acts are featured, including Everything But The Girl, Eyeless In Gaza, The Monochrome Set and the Marine Girls. There are also three bonus tracks, not included on the original video release and featuring original promo material from Medium Medium, Eyeless In Gaza and The Monochrome Set. The bonus material also includes a fascinating interview with the people behind the original Pillows & Prayers concept, Cherry Red Records founder Iain McNay and A&R man Mike Alway, who provide a great insight into the early days of the label. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:14:59 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Read & Zwan >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Zwan > >> >> We know Billy toured with New Order for a while, let's say Bruce >> hurts his hand and...<< > >Now that would be more interesting the other way round - if Billy hurt his >hand and Bruce played guitar in Zwan ;-) > >Billy Bob is far too trad rock for Wire. He'd stick solos in everywhere. It'd >be as if George Gill never left! > >Mark Well said, Mark. I ignored this post, with the hope that I misunderstood it. Posts about crap 80s bands and video games do bore me, so I don't read them, but this DOES bother me quite a bit. I realize that the original poster doesn't really wish harm to Bruce Gilbert, but that anyone here would prefer ANY guitarist, much less a dull commercial one (mess w/ Bruce and I'll mess w/ your guys!), IN WIRE, is beyond belief. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:21:47 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Read & Zwan On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 12:14:59PM -0600, Michael Flaherty wrote: > I ignored this post, with the hope that I misunderstood it. Posts about > crap 80s bands and video games do bore me, so I don't read them, but this > DOES bother me quite a bit. Hey, Rez is about music. Ish. (I'm serious - it's a very *musical* artefact). Anyway, this is way offtopic. > > I realize that the original poster doesn't really wish harm to Bruce > Gilbert, but that anyone here would prefer ANY guitarist, much less a dull > commercial one (mess w/ Bruce and I'll mess w/ your guys!), IN WIRE, is > beyond belief. I agree, of course. Corgan isn't even the most interesting guitarist in his band, either. David Pajo is. Any band which isn't Gilbert/Grey/Lewis/Newman just *isn't* Wire; the variety of their solo and collaborative output surely demonstrates this. However, I must admit I'd be intrigued by a collision between the post-rock aesthetic and the current heavy-metal-millenial-punk of Wire. Listening to the more splenetic moments of the former, it doesn't seem that far off either. It fascinates me that the genre frequently accused of being the child of the worst excesses of prog - post-rock - is more punk than anything commonly referred to as punk. I think the key point here is intelligence: nouveau-Wire may affect artlessness, but this is diametrically opposed to the downright idiocy of some of the New-Rock-Revolution bands. Motivation, for me, seems to be really quite a lot. - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:31:04 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar Thanks Aaron. Yeah, on this evidence he may himself have bought some Wire seven-inches in his time. Which doesn't excuse the stuff he's now inflicting on me (although, inexplicably, he's getting rave reviews everywhere here for his single). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] Sent: 12 March 2003 17:06 To: Keith Knight Cc: Idealcopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Keith Knight wrote: > Quote from Har Mar Superstar from this week's Time Out Magazine: > > "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. And > also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people > that might party more and be more worried about having a good time than > what Wire seven-inch they just bought." Either he's just rejecting his own childhood or this is all part of the Har Mar "joke", since a mere three years ago, Sean Tillmann of HMS released the song "Princess And The Pony" about how he wants to have Outdoor Miner played at his funeral. Well, okay, not *his* funeral, but the funeral of the narrator in the song. You can hear it at http://www.killrockstars.com/soundvideo Search for "Sean Na Na". a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:40:58 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Give it some 12XU Greetings, my fellow idealcopyists. I bought a punk compilation titled "Give it some punk" and it has a Wire track - 12XU (live). I'd appreciate it much if someone could tell me when and where this track was recorded. I can convert it to mp3 and upload somewhere on the web, if needed. Sincerely, Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:54:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Give it some 12XU > >>I bought a punk compilation titled "Give it some punk" and it has a Wire > track - 12XU (live). I'd appreciate it much if someone could tell me when > and where this track was recorded. I can convert it to mp3 and upload > somewhere on the web, if needed.<< > > Almost certainly the recoding from the Live at the Roxy album. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:08:53 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD Oh man. An ex liontamer friend of mine had that album and it has been bugging for a while as to its name. Thanks Keith. I will keep my eye out for the DVD. Is the track lineup complete? I remember a Quentin Crisp monologue on the album. Is there a video for that? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: March 12, 2003 1:03 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD Thought this might interest some people. Various Artists Pillows & Prayers - The DVD CRDVD 24 2003 is a landmark year for Cherry Red Records, its twenty-fifth anniversary. As part of the celebrations we are releasing, for the first time ever on DVD, the visual accompaniment to one of the label's most recognised musical titles "Pillows & Prayers". The original Pillows & Prayers compilation album was released in the early 1980's and went on to top the Indie Chart, spending almost a year in the top 30. To this day it is still one of the most acknowledged releases from the label. The Pillows & Prayers video was released a few years after the album, and provides the main focus of the DVD. Many of Cherry Red's most popular acts are featured, including Everything But The Girl, Eyeless In Gaza, The Monochrome Set and the Marine Girls. There are also three bonus tracks, not included on the original video release and featuring original promo material from Medium Medium, Eyeless In Gaza and The Monochrome Set. The bonus material also includes a fascinating interview with the people behind the original Pillows & Prayers concept, Cherry Red Records founder Iain McNay and A&R man Mike Alway, who provide a great insight into the early days of the label. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:06:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD Eric, Track list is as per the video, not the LP. Marine Girls - A Place In The Sun / Jane - It's A Fine Day / Kevin Hewick - Feathering The Nest / Fantastic Something - If She Doesn't Smile (It'll Rain) / Eyeless In Gaza - New Risen / Everything But The Girl - On My Mind / Monochrome Set - Jet Set JuntaPlus Bonus Tracks: Medium Medium - Hungry So Angry / Eyeless In Gaza - Veil Like Calm / Monochrome Set - Jacobs Ladder Plus Bonus Material: Interview With Pillows & Prayers bOriginatorsb Iain Mcnay And Mike Alway. Gallery Featuring Classic Cherry Red Records Album Artwork. See cherryred.co.uk NB: Not chrerryred.com, which is a porn site! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:11:32 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar In a message dated 3/12/03 5:06:37 PM GMT Standard Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > > "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. And > > also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people > > that might party more and be more worried about having a good time than > > what Wire seven-inch they just bought." /////hmmm , i also recall a very similar statement to the above trotted out by louise "talentless , moi?" wener in a recent interview promoting her book which i trust stiffed utterly a la the final sleeper lp. no surprise at all if she borrowed it from a previous source. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:16:02 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD if you log on to www.cherryred.co.uk they will send you for free a very nice 120 page catalogue with all their (huge) available stock listed. at the back is a really good reference section listing all the masters they own , they've bought out the catalogues of lots of other indies like Ink , In Tape , Red Flame , Vindaloo etc etc and they list all those labels output. sadly i lack a DVD player but that P&P DVD sounds well worth a look. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:19:44 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pillows & Prayers DVD In a message dated 3/12/03 8:07:36 PM GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > NB: Not chrerryred.com, which is a porn site! > > Mark ////good to see you sufferring for the cause :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:28:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] attn Graeme..colin interview Couldn't find your email(!) address so I can't email you offlist,but Jan is finding it a bit difficult to understand colins words,if he puts it to c.d would you be prepared to transcribe it for the rest of the group? On a long enough time line the survival rate for all of us drops to zero.'from Fight Club' Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:22:59 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: idlewire? hmm ... wasn't there (how about you, jason?) & don't know the band (not having felt motivated to play the one cd -- possibly their first -- of the theirs i picked up used a few months ago), but i quote from an email on behalf of the atlanta club where some of us saw wire --. >Hello, >Thanks to everyone who came Monday despite Idlewild canceling. Those of you who still came out were treated to a brief but blistering set from Idlewild sans singer (reminiscent more of Wire than anything else), ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:26:46 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar sean na na? saw him/them playing for free at a college gig up the highway from little rock a couple of years ago & left with no impression whatsoever (a very rare occurrence for me with gigs, as opposed to records) ...was there only because it marked the debut of my friend's 2-piece outfit chinese girls, whom i've mentioned here before for covering reuters at a show quite a few months after that. dan >Thanks Aaron. Yeah, on this evidence he may himself have bought some >Wire seven-inches in his time. Which doesn't excuse the stuff he's now >inflicting on me (although, inexplicably, he's getting rave reviews >everywhere here for his single). > >Another the Keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] >Sent: 12 March 2003 17:06 >To: Keith Knight >Cc: Idealcopy >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Har Mar Superstar > >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Keith Knight wrote: > >> Quote from Har Mar Superstar from this week's Time Out Magazine: >> >> "I think indie rock is really limiting and boring in a lot of ways. >And >> also the fans are no fun at all. So I just wanted to play to people >> that might party more and be more worried about having a good time >than >> what Wire seven-inch they just bought." > >Either he's just rejecting his own childhood or this is all part of the >Har Mar "joke", since a mere three years ago, Sean Tillmann of HMS >released the song "Princess And The Pony" about how he wants to have >Outdoor Miner played at his funeral. Well, okay, not *his* funeral, but >the funeral of the narrator in the song. You can hear it at > > http://www.killrockstars.com/soundvideo > >Search for "Sean Na Na". > >a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:47:57 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: country teasers dunno that they qualify as a crap band, & they certainly don't hail from the '80s, but what the hell ... anyone know anything about the country teasers? just a few weeks ago finally got around to listening to a tape of their destroy all humanity (title approximate) album that a former co-worker made me a couple of years ago & was pretty much blown away -- sort of like grotesque-era fall & fear-&-whiskey-era mekons collaborating with the nightingales, maybe with nik fiend on dolorous vocals, & everybody involved passing around fistfuls of quaaludes. wasted no time grabbing their s/t, satan is real again & recent odds-&-sods releases, of course. dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #74 ******************************