From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #71 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] TEST ["Magnetic North" ] [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Rancid Battery Acid Fuel (Never Workin' for Clampdown) ["Bill] Re: [idealcopy] Immersed in Jelly Bore [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #70 [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] flag:drinking:missing [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] innocuous city [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] triggerfish ["Magnetic North" ] Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] ot- re:maserati [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] ot- scenic [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ot- Re: bishop's finger [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking [Eardrumbuz@] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:43:08 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] TEST changed wnn493694@tiscali.nl into magnetic_north@neubauten.org Janj Noorda - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:36:16 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking >>April Barbican gig getting nearer. Chris And in the name of research, I unselfishly went to the Barbican on Saturday to see what pubs were open in the area. ;-] There is really only one contender...it's called The Kings Head & is on the corner of Chiswell street. Just above the 'M' of 'Main Entrance' on this map http://www.barbican.org.uk/information/your_journey/index.shtml Literally 3 minutes from the Barbican box office. It's quite big but was a bit noisy on Saturday with MTV2 on about five screens. On the upside they had Tomothy Taylor's 'Landlord' & Old speckled Hen on tap for you real ale buffs and Staropramen & Hoegaarden lagers on draught. Downside is they don't do food after 3 pm. (the crisps are nice)... It's typical city prices but nothing like the hideously expensive Barbican. The ONLY other bar which is open on Saturdays AFAIK is the Rising Sun in Cloth Fair near Smithfield which is a pleasanter affair but is a good 15 min hike away. Someone (Keith?) suggested the Bishop's Finger - sorry, closed. later, your intrepid reporter... A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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Jason Now Playing: Maserati - "Ambassador Of Cinema" >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:12:26 -0000 >From: "Keith Astbury" >Anyone else out there think that Billy Corgan - or whoever produced Zwan >anyway - has been listening to the R&B e.p.'s. I don't say this to in any >way invite a Smashing Pumpkins = Good or Smashing Pumpkins = bad argument, >cos I'm not particularly a fan myself, but the intro to Honestly has a very >similar gtr's on the attack sound as Wire's most recent IMO. > >Keith _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:16:01 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking thanks for doing the legwork Alistair, much appreciated...looks like the Kings Head then, everyone...??? ian.s.j. >And in the name of research, I unselfishly went to the Barbican on >Saturday to see what pubs were open in the area. ;-] >There is really only one contender...it's called The Kings Head & >is on the corner of Chiswell street. Just above the 'M' of 'Main Entrance' >on this map >http://www.barbican.org.uk/information/your_journey/index.shtml >Literally 3 minutes from the Barbican box office. >It's quite big but was a bit noisy on Saturday with MTV2 on about >five screens. On the upside they had Tomothy Taylor's 'Landlord' & >Old speckled Hen on tap for you real ale buffs and Staropramen & >Hoegaarden lagers on draught. Downside is they don't do food after >3 pm. (the crisps are nice)... It's typical city prices but nothing like >the hideously expensive Barbican. >The ONLY other bar which is open on Saturdays AFAIK is the Rising Sun >in Cloth Fair near Smithfield which is a pleasanter affair but is a good 15 >min hike away. >Someone (Keith?) suggested the Bishop's Finger - sorry, closed. _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:31:03 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] future/human lg I got it: Fast Product - Rigour Discipline and Disgust Mekons: 1. Never Been In a Riot 2. Heart and Soul 3. 32 Weeks Scars: 4. Adultery 5. Horrorshow Human League 6. Being Boiled 7. Circus of Death 2/3 8. All Time Low 9. Where to Now Gang of Four 10. Love Like Anthrax 11. Armalite Rifle 12. Damaged Goods Mekons 13. I'll Have to Dance then (On My Own) 14. Where Where You? Fire Engines 15. Discord 16. Meat Whiplash 17. Candy Skin Human League 18. Dignity of Labour Part 1 19. Dignity of Labour Part 2 20. Dignity of Labour Part 3 21. Dignity of Labour Part 4 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] future/human lg > >>>(i'm also wondering why in hell i can't find a copy of the expanded cd > >version of the fast product comp, but that's another story.) >> > > > >Never seen one - to what extent is it expanded? The vinyl includes all the > >Fast singles... is the extra stuff previously unreleased? > > > >Mark > > don't think so ... if memory serves, it includes some pop: aural (which i > believe bob last began after his fast days) artists like the fire engines > (by whom i have only the new gold dream 12", or whatever it's called ... > come to think of it, wasn't that a simple minds lp? perhaps my memory's off > today), boots for dancing, etc. > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:49:57 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Sunday Times Article I [listowner's note: anything over 7000 characters bounces to me automatically. This is a good thing, as three separate list members send this in almost simultaneously. - Miles] Report: Off their rockers? When Jake and Dinos Chapman unveil their collaboration with punk pioneers Wire, even the band wont know what to expect, says Hugh Pearman Its Hoxton, of course, the usual former industrial building turned artists studios. Im standing in front of three doorbells, none of which bears the names Jake and Dinos Chapman, whom Ive come to meet. Nor does anyone answer, anyway. I wait, but not for long. A shaven-headed man with a dog saunters up. Could be any East Ender, but it turns out to be Jake, with his black Staffordshire bull-terrier bitch, name of Kylie. Kylie Mdogue, he says, by way of explanation. Jake has lost his keys to the studio. Dinos is in a cafe round the corner. But we cant go there, because dogs arent allowed. So we go to another cafe where Kylie is known and unofficially tolerated. Dinos, the thinner brother, with black-rimmed specs, is summoned by phone and arrives on a bike. We get our mugs of tea and sit down to discuss the veteran art-electro-punk band Wire. The brothers are designing what is loosely described as a set for a Wire gig at the Barbican next month, the culmination of that risk-embracing institutions Only Connect season of unexpected collaborations between cultural disciplines. Jake and Dinos, best known for their nihilistic and impeccably made depictions of weirdly mutated human bodies, their Nazi-dominated scale-model scenes from hell, as seen in the Royal Academys Apocalypse exhibition in 2000, or their recent foray into faux-ethnographic art, as mysteriously influenced by the burger chain McDonalds, are generally cast as the shock jocks of the British conceptual-art scene. The painstaking craftsmanship of their work is belied by its masochistic wit. When technique and skill are in our hands, says Jake with relish, you know theyre going to get f***ed up. For their current retrospective exhibition in D|sseldorf, they chose to decorate the gallery with long, red, quasi-Nazi banners where the swastikas are replaced with smiley faces. Thats the Chapman brand of doom-laden, tightrope-walking mischief. Their studio, when I eventually get to see it, is an explosion of dismembered mannequins, plastic assembly kits, chunks of wood carving, a giant skull in what looks like glass fibre and several of their new range of subversive tribal figures. All this is now becoming familiar territory, which is why the Chapmans are planning several new ventures to keep everyone guessing. Somewhat guarded at first, the brothers quickly emerge as affable but deeply serious individuals, whose banter occasionally lapses into gallows humour of a very English, tasteless kind, high-profile murders and global atrocities being fair game. The Englishness of their art is something of a preoccupation, with Euroblandness as promulgated, in their view, by Tate Modern coming in for some barbed criticisms. And, in turn, its Wires edgy Englishness and capacity for self-reinvention that appeals to the Chapmans. Both sets of artists are at much the same tangent to their respective mainstreams. Besides, the brothers just like the music. Its the sort of thing you used to listen to on the radio at night when youd been told to go to bed, says Dinos. And theyre friends with some of the band. Wire are a band who have ebbed and flowed, disbanded and re-formed several times since their seminal, high-energy 1977 album Pink Flag (see next story) They offered a peculiarly bleak, powerfully well-structured vision of the world as seen from a Britain on the economic, political and cultural ropes. But they quickly spun away from thrashing punk and flattened vowels and became, and remained, a chameleon, cultish musical enterprise. The four-pieces new album, Send, will be released to coincide with the Barbican concert. When Wire were asked if they wanted to take part in the Only Connect festival, they decided on not one but two separate productions. They asked for the modish stage designer Es Devlin, who creates sets akin to art installations for everyone from the Royal Shakespeare Company to the Pet Shop Boys. And they asked for Jake and Dinos. Whereas they had an idea what theyd get from Devlin, there was no such safety net with the Chapmans. Which was a situation Wire liked. As their vocalist, Colin Newman, puts it: We call our events Flag Burning. Wire are always prepared to burn their own icon. I have a vague idea what theyre trying to do, which is a serious piece of art. Wire tend to attract an audience of European art curators. I dont know what that says about us. At worst, this will be an interesting thing to do on a London stage. The Chapmans will design the first half of their show the first-ever straight-through performance of Pink Flag and Devlin will do the second half, which is the unveiling of Send. I always thought they were too intelligent to be considered a punk band, says Jake. It was that hiatus point in the 1970s when culture became anticulture. When you look at whats occurred since, that moment determined the aesthetic and musical output of the next 30 years. Weve been very influenced by that kind of music and that tactical approach to culture. There is an obvious connection to make between the work of Wire and the work of the Chapman brothers, and that comes back to nihilism. Jake is almost evange- lical about this. The point about nihilism is that it gives a political meaning to absolute pessimism. It suggests that boredom is a political act. The point about the punk movement, or anti-aesthetic art, or antimusic, was that it made a culture out of boredom. Pause. And not a crap culture, either. A sophisticated culture. Theres another, more user-friendly connection: drama. Jake again: The preponderance of theatre and high camp is quite obvious in our work. All our work is overdetermined, over the top. Thats our approach to this Wire gig. Neither the Chapmans nor Wire are giving much away, except in jokey asides about how they considered and discarded the idea of a tacky show called Wire on Ice, or dressing the band members in pipes and cardigans and slippers, or putting them in coffins. Wire on Ice was remarkably close. We gravitated towards the most inappropriate thing possible for them. It has to be absurd, not predictable, not expected, vouchsafes Dinos, as the pair embarks on an inconclusive discussion of the merits of vaudeville as practised by Michael Jackson, Madonna and Prince, with a side order of Motvrhead. Its hard, they conclude, to describe a planned theatrical musical event. Who was it who said that talking about music was like dancing about architecture? ponders Dinos. Jake suggests: Itll be slightly spiteful. Entertaining, but on a bit of a sadistic register, I think. Dinos offers: Kind of English. Jake ripostes: Kind of American. This provokes some thrust and parry about the enduring bloody-mindedness of the English, a characteristic the brothers are fully signed up to. The interview gradually becomes an act of listening to the brothers disagreeing, but only very slightly, with each other. This must be how they work, submerging their individual identities in the finished product while enjoying the creative tension of the process. It is a moderately dislocating experience. After several wide digressions, we come back to the Wire event. Are they, I ask, basically going to be taking the piss out of the whole legendary rock band thing? The brothers look at each other. Kylie snuffles and squirms beneath the table. I think, says Dinos, were ever so slightly taking the piss out of everything all the time. Wire, with the Chapman brothers and Es Devlin, Barbican, EC2, April 26 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:27:40 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] 80s retro: Wire in the post In the ultimate 80s retro indulgence, I am rereading Derrida's "The Post Card" and some very interesting things crop up. page 11: "It is somewhat in order to "banalize" the cipher of the unique tragedy that I prefer cards, one hundred cards or reproductions in the same enevelope, rather than a single "true" letter. While writing "true" letter, I remembered the first (one) coming of (from) you..." page 14: "You yourself explained to me that the jealousy begins with the first letter..." Lots of stuff about reading and burning ie. in a Dionysian sense, the reader burns the message to create something else. The reader reauthors the text. page 40: " The only possible 'determination' for me-- and moreover I obey it every moment without seeming to: burn everything, forget everything, in order to see if the force of strating again without a trace, without an open path..." What do you guys think. It Seems to me that our boys in the band have done some heavy reading (note that I have yet to progess past pg 40). As long as I have been on the list no one has mentioned this connection. Excuse me if this ground has been covered, but there seems to be a lot to chew on here. Eric i n Toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:39:12 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Immersed in Jelly Bore >>>Can I also recommend Jan Jelinek's new LP 'La Novelle Pauvrete' on Scape records. Can I say how boring I found it? >>>He is the king of skewed, fractured electronica, Not a patch on the new Autechre album... They are still the kings of that thing! I also rate the new Mira Calix album way above Jelinek's mediocre twiddling. >>> and fans of Immersion's mesmirising soundscapes will find much here to delight them. ??? Low Impact is close to musical genius Jelinek bores me shitless, real robyoungmuzak Something for Wirereaders who can't handle the HARD stuff? >>>He sings a bit as well, and when he does he reminds me of Mr Lewis in his Hox-Omala moments. Doesn't sound like Lewis to me. Sounds like watered down Pole! Closest thing I've heard to Hox was some Matt Herbert remix. Pole's scape label seems like a vanity project of ever there was one, with every act sounding like Pole Jr. After being mesmerised by Labradford and Bruce Gilbert, entertained by Papa M and Robin Guthrie and slightly nonplussed by Sigur Ros, I fell asleep during Pole's set at the Festival of Drifting. His new single 45/45 is doing nothing for me at all. Its not bad, just mediocre. Has anything else Pole has done come close to his remix of Appliance? That serves as the highlight of both artists endeavours, at least as far as I've heard. For me, Thomas Jirku and Porter Ricks play the hypnotic pulsedub soundscape game with much more skill than any of Pole's cronies. The next twee fag to use the phrase 'mircohouse' can take a heavy dose of lead in the ass! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Scenic - The Acid Gospel Experience (www.tenorvossa.co.uk) Enon from NYC are touring Europe and the dates are here: http://www.southern.com/southern/tour/newtour.cgi?ENONN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:03:02 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Rancid Battery Acid Fuel (Never Workin' for Clampdown) At the weekend Manchester bands played Clash songs in all day homage to late Strummer Joe. Perfecting jousts for spite? Pressure gonna drop on 12XU? Useless simulator seven year behind. Who are Thee Virus House? Progressive Mod Punk Trio singing "Radio Clash" in sequenced cig smokin' aggressive Suicide mode, actually bettering the original by some distance. Hard ass poseur mofos slice treats ab ovo? These coolcats are ones to watch! The Snakes know "Rudie Can't Fail" and the positivity of their stripped raw garage barrage could not be denied. Little Daisy Snake transposed the "Should I Stay" Bo Diddley beats and set an uptone for the evening! Left outside with stars in their eyes? No, Joe said every man should get on down and it was his night with his ragin' image up on the screen. A thousand coins were given to his widows charity. I was asked if the young lady seven years my junior would be marrying me by the balding man with the cool shades seven years senior. Next I asked Julia Nagle to start a band with me but she was a little cagey! Well let me tell you about Catherine - Leaving Trains wrote a song ("Dude the Cat") about her! The DJ had quickly played my request (12XU being the only number he could oblige with) and by night's end had me well tagged as 'the WIRE fan.' He was a Londoner unaware of the Flag Burning who was well up for a trip to the Barbican at April's end. Moco rocked out a note perfect "I Fought the Law." Former Stone Roses dancer Cressa niced up the stoner vibes with his Bad Man Wagon espousing "Revolution Rock." The world probably hardly needs a countrylite "I'm So Bored With the USA" but Bonebox and Lord Mongo taking a lounge act axe to "London Calling" and "Tommy Gun" respectively proved mirthful. Gong violin maestro Graham Clark elucidated the fiddling first line on Brian Glancey's folky "Straight To Hell." Finale free for all stage invasion for everyone who wanted a "White Riot" of our own! There was a free party singalong atmosphere that felt more of a beginning than an end. Promoter Jay Taylor (Bonebox / Gold Blade) should feel proud to have raised a grand for charity. Never work for "The Clampdown." Meanwhile back in Realm of Daft RAnts: No thanks bee man Fred Astairs ock'n'loll fascist troll ... You used to believe me "Urrrhurrr" (WIRE ~ 99.9) Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:39:32 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Immersed in Jelly Bore In a message dated 3/10/03 12:09:40 PM Central Standard Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << Pole's scape label seems like a vanity project of ever there was one, with every act sounding like Pole Jr. After being mesmerised by Labradford and Bruce Gilbert, entertained by Papa M and Robin Guthrie and slightly nonplussed by Sigur Ros, I fell asleep during Pole's set at the Festival of Drifting. >> What is Robin Guthrie up to these days? is he still making music with Siobahn Mare as Violet Indiana?...is he making solo noise? and whatever happend to the Liz Fraser post-Cocteau Twins solo album??? RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:09:23 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #70 >From: Ari Britt >Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:john lennon interview and more on the recently discovered tapes...... > >http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1527&afl =aapl These tapes have been hyped by Rolling Stone to generate excitement and magazine sales. If you've seen "Let it Be", you have a very good sense of what's on these tapes. I wrote a letter to Rolling Stone noting that their article is likely to make people think that another Abbey Road is sitting in storage. They didn't print my letter (of course), but they did print a letter from an excited Beatle fan waiting anxiously for the tapes and the "new album". Not that I really expected better ... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:36:09 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking Yes, thanks Alistair. I was going to check out the Bishop's Finger next week - in fact, given that it sells good food and beer I'll still go. Pisser that it's not open on Saturdays though... Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ian.s. jackson Sent: 10 March 2003 16:16 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking thanks for doing the legwork Alistair, much appreciated...looks like the Kings Head then, everyone...??? ian.s.j. >And in the name of research, I unselfishly went to the Barbican on >Saturday to see what pubs were open in the area. ;-] >There is really only one contender...it's called The Kings Head & >is on the corner of Chiswell street. Just above the 'M' of 'Main Entrance' >on this map >http://www.barbican.org.uk/information/your_journey/index.shtml >Literally 3 minutes from the Barbican box office. >It's quite big but was a bit noisy on Saturday with MTV2 on about >five screens. On the upside they had Tomothy Taylor's 'Landlord' & >Old speckled Hen on tap for you real ale buffs and Staropramen & >Hoegaarden lagers on draught. Downside is they don't do food after >3 pm. (the crisps are nice)... It's typical city prices but nothing like >the hideously expensive Barbican. >The ONLY other bar which is open on Saturdays AFAIK is the Rising Sun >in Cloth Fair near Smithfield which is a pleasanter affair but is a good 15 >min hike away. >Someone (Keith?) suggested the Bishop's Finger - sorry, closed. _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=105 9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:54:43 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking i guess the "gig" will start bang on time if they've got 2 sets to fit in , so we'd better start the session earlyish. not a huge dilemna i trust? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:29:14 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: [idealcopy] KNITTING FACTORY NYC 3/16/03 - SUZUKI/CUL-DE-SAC/CARTER/TURNER Hello friends! I will be joining former Can vocalist DAMO SUZUKI as part of the third installment of his "Instant Composing" series at the Knitting Factory in New York City this coming Sunday, March 16, 2003. Also on stage will be post-space-trance-rockers CUL DE SAC, and avant-jazz saxophonist DANIEL CARTER. Tickets are $12; the show starts at 8PM and ends when they kick us out. For more information, click here: http://www.knitmedia.com/calendar/event_descrip.cfm?event_num=38272&room=1&location=1 I hope to see you there! Joe Abunai! : http://www.abunai.com The Squall: http://www.abunai.com/squall Solo work : http://www.abunai.com/joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] TEST Magnetic North wrote: From: "Magnetic North" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] TEST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:43:08 -0800 changed wnn493694@tiscali.nl into magnetic_north@neubauten.org Janj Noorda Hope it wasn't too painful.....A - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:28:06 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] flag:drinking:missing At 02:36 PM 3/10/2003 +0000, Alistair Tear wrote: >The ONLY other bar which is open on Saturdays AFAIK is the Rising Sun >in Cloth Fair near Smithfield which is a pleasanter affair but is a good 15 >min >hike away. Interestingly (to me, anyway), my wife and I stumbled upon this very pub during our Feb. 2000 London visit, a trip which of course was capped off by Wire at the Royal Festival Hall. A rainy morning at St. Paul's turned gloriously sunny, and we decided to walk to Smithfields. It's one of the most fondly remembered days of that trip, full of spontaneous discoveries and unexpectedly fun things. Though e-mails from Iceland Air and Virgin Atlantic taunt me weekly with ridiculously low fares to London, Melissa and I won't be joining the Barbican crew because of her work schedule. Said schedule, because of a recent promotion, has been too chaotic for us to plan even short weekend trips, much less a week in the U.K. But don't I wish I could be there. Sigh. It's also looking grim for even catching Wire on these shores, as I have a business trip I can't move the last week of June. Unless Wire's U.S. dates continue past June 29th, I'll miss them entirely. I've never regretted travelling to see Wire in 2000 and 2002, but those decisions look even better if I can't see them in 2003. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:34:52 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] innocuous city At 08:43 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/8/03 4:39:29 PM Central Standard Time, >wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > > >> I'm sorry to lose another list member. It's not as though there's been a >> mass exodus, but here is exactly the type of dedicated fan who should >> belong on idealcopy. Or rather, idealcopy should belong to him. >> >> > >yeah...and at least HE isn't innocuous ...unlike some of us... You'd never guess that I used that infamous word in defense of Robert, not to mention that it was IIRC, an off-list conversation. :-) I take it all back, Robert, you're a lightning rod for controversy! later, Miles last played: The Minus 5, DOWN WITH WILCO (torporiffic! For those of you who like the endless midtempo B.Wilson fetishism, worth picking up, but it's a snooze-o-rama for me) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:33:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] innocuous city In a message dated 3/10/03 3:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: << You'd never guess that I used that infamous word in defense of Robert, not to mention that it was IIRC, an off-list conversation. :-) I take it all back, Robert, you're a lightning rod for controversy! later, Miles >> i do what i can... zzzz RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:55:02 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] triggerfish Have listened to Web-tv, waste of time for doing this on TV, and recorded it. Colin mentioned he couldn't believe someone is taping this, but nevertheless. No news, Old cows ... we say in Holland. And much laughable. Will listen it tomorrow again. There is some food for thought. Fear is a mind-killer! What is music? - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:07:00 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:55:02PM -0800, Magnetic North wrote: > Fear is a mind-killer! Watch it. Adam blleding Freeland used that sample. Incidentally, if anyone on this list gets the chance to play the PS2 game "Rez", which features the above sample (and track), play it. It's one of the most interesting musical experiences I've had in the last year - absolutely hypnotic, and I mean that in the good sense. Any game which is *intended* as a tribute, and I quote, to "the immortal creative spirit of Kandinsky" is alright by me. - - A (trying to ensure he doesn't get sent to Denmark when flag:burning is on) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:20:54 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish At 11:07 PM 3/10/2003 +0000, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: >On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:55:02PM -0800, Magnetic North wrote: > >> Fear is a mind-killer! > >Watch it. Adam blleding Freeland used that sample. > >Incidentally, if anyone on this list gets the chance to play the PS2 game >"Rez", which features the above sample (and track), play it. It's one of >the most interesting musical experiences I've had in the last year - >absolutely hypnotic, and I mean that in the good sense. A friend of mine on another list worked on FREQUENCY, which is a similarly ambitious and music-centered PS2 title. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:14:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish In a message dated 3/10/03 5:07:49 PM Central Standard Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > > Fear is a mind-killer! > > Watch it. Adam blleding Freeland used that sample. > > so did EON RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:33:40 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 05:20:54PM -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > > A friend of mine on another list worked on FREQUENCY, which is a > similarly ambitious and music-centered PS2 title. ... not to mention truly excellent: my two favourite games of 2002. (Not Dan Schmidt, dfan@dfan.org, is it? He plays Go on a Go server I've been known to frequent.) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:16:09 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Immersed in Jelly Bore Robert says: > > What is Robin Guthrie up to these days? is he still making music > with Siobahn > Mare as Violet Indiana?...is he making solo noise? There is a new solo album called Imperial released next week. heard a Violet Indiana single which I found dissapointingly tame, a bit Portishead/Massive Attack-lite. Not sure what Guthrie solo will be, but I enjoyed his solo peformance at Labradford Festival of Drifting. Robin was just riffing away through a pile of effects pedals and grinning a huge grin like he used to at Cocteaus gigs... > > and whatever happend to the Liz Fraser post-Cocteau Twins solo album??? Probably coming out after the next My Bloody Valentine album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:24:08 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Camper Van Beethoven >So you're not the only Wire fan with an interest in CVB. I'm thinking I >might want to check out some of the projects that came out after CVB's >demise, and not just Cracker. > Nope - there's a few of us on the list who like CVB. (^_^) BTW - if you haven't purchased their cover of Fleetwood Mac's Tusk album (yup - the whole thing), you might want to consider picking it up. Originally recorded on a four-track cassette deck whilst trapped by snow in a small cabin and waiting for their drummer's arm to heal (he broke it in the snow!), and only recently rediscovered and finished, it's pretty darn cool. If you can't stand Fleetwood Mac in any shape or form, you won't enjoy this, but if you'd always wondered what CVB would have sounded like if they were a 70's supergroup, well, now you can find out. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:08:42 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Immersed in Jelly Bore > >>>Can I also recommend Jan Jelinek's new LP 'La Novelle > Pauvrete' on Scape > records. > > Can I say how boring I found it? Yes. > > >>>He is the king of skewed, fractured electronica, > > Not a patch on the new Autechre album... > They are still the kings of that thing! Alas, I've not heard the new Autechre LP, but the one track I have heard is like a a Hip Hop crew falling down a very tall flight of stairs, and gradually losing the riddim as they hurtle towards their death, breakdancing all they way down. Its great. They are the kings of course, but at the time I was feeling in the mood for a gross overstatement as one does on hearing an enjoyable new record. > > >>> and fans of > Immersion's mesmirising soundscapes will find much here to delight them. > > ??? > Low Impact is close to musical genius Low Impact is a stunning record. The first CD i ever wore out and now it is damaged beyond repair. Can anyone burn me a new copy?! > Jelinek bores me shitless, real robyoungmuzak What is robyoungmuzak? > Something for Wirereaders who can't handle the HARD stuff? Perhaps. I don't read The Wire. I enjoy the way Jelinek uses the form and language of the more abstract end of electronica and applies it to a more commercial, House music pattern. I love that convergance of high & low artforms, I love to hear the avant garde diluted as much as i love to hear a populist form corrupted. (Kidney Bingoes....a cheery poptune about Meat). Whats that sound? Its the sound of ideas bouncing backward and forward. Its democracy. Fair Meat, All the same. > > Has anything else Pole has done come close to his remix of Appliance? That > serves as the highlight of both artists endeavours, at least as > far as I've > heard. Dunno. Always thought Pole was a bit overrated. I prefer Rythmn & Sound. > > For me, Thomas Jirku and Porter Ricks play the hypnotic pulsedub > soundscape > game with much more skill than any of Pole's cronies. > > The next twee fag to use the phrase 'mircohouse' can take a heavy > dose of lead > in the ass! Allow me to be a twee fag. I don't really know what Microhouse is. I suspect it was coined by 'The Wire' and has become the thing to kick much like 'Shoegazing' was by the NME (wrongly tarnishing My Bloody Valentine et al) Are SND mircrohouse? Their music sounds like House music, stripped down to minute pixels of sound and its gorgeous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] triggerfish On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > A friend of mine on another list worked on FREQUENCY, which is a > similarly ambitious and music-centered PS2 title. I loved Frequency, but I don't think it was going for the same kind of thing as Rez. The more you got into the music in Frequency, the less you could watch the pretty pictures. Rez made you interact with the pretty pictures in time with the music. Frequency was also hard enough to last more than an hour or two. I don't regret buying Rez but I might be slow to spring for a sequel at full retail price, whereas Frequency 2, I expect, will have a lot of game in it. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:38:25 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot- re:maserati In a message dated 3/10/03 10:17:24 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: > >Now Playing: Maserati - "Ambassador Of Cinema" do you like this? i saw them maybe a year or so ago and had mixed feelings. the gentler, spacier stuff came across well, but when they tried to rock they sounded like high school kids in the garage...granted, they are pretty young, but still. how's it come across on record (cd)? - -another the paul n.p. the walkmen - Everyone who pretended to like me is gone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:56:40 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot- scenic In a message dated 3/10/03 1:09:40 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >NP Scenic - The Acid Gospel Experience i'm interested to hear an opinion on this one graeme. do you know if it's the hidden agenda or emigre version? i'd guess the former, which is the official release. - -paul c.d. n.p. hawkwind - spirit of the age ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:04:34 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: ot- Re: bishop's finger [idealcopy] Barbican - flag:Drinking In a message dated 3/10/03 3:40:53 PM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: >not open on Saturdays i'm just curious. what sort of place is it? what kind of neighborhood? the only food & drink establishments closed on saturdays here (that i know of) are kosher. - -paul c.d. n.p. hawkwind - master of the universe ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #71 ******************************