From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #68 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] future/human lg ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural (was: futre/human lg) ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] OT: fischerspooner ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: fischerspooner [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] an observation [rayographique ] [idealcopy] an observation [rayographique ] [idealcopy] an observation [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] an apology [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] an observation [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] an observation ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Colin Newman on webtv [wnn493694@tiscali.nl] Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: unearthed [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] an observation [RLynn9@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:36:27 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg In a message dated 3/8/03 2:25:51 AM GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Never seen one - to what extent is it expanded? The vinyl includes all the > Fast singles... is the extra stuff previously unreleased? /////it doesn't include "california uber alles"................p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:40:01 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/8/03 3:54:58 AM GMT Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > >one thing that synths had going for them in the 70's was that Queen didn't > > > >use them. //////i can clearly remember an interview with siouxsie on radio 1 in the late 70's where she pompously stated "the day we use a synthesiser is the day we run out of ideas". (comedy open goal looms but i don't feel too cruel this early in the day) and i always hated queen. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:04:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > Hell, how many Jim Diamonds are there? One's too many! Note to Robert - don't be tempted, mate! The ph.d Roxy /10cc comparisons don't hold. > The PhD one is the same as the "I should have known better" one (look > everyone! a Wire link!!)*, whose vocals are always brought to mind when I > hear Richard bloody Ashcroft's MOR solo work. > Mark No, no, Mark. Don't compare Diamond with the (still sometimes) wonderful Mr Ashcroft! Check The Meaning may be MOR, but only in a Sefronia sense. > * - not the same song, in case you were unfamiliar with Mr Diamond's > "classic". Now that's one cover version you wouldn't want to hear ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:01:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg > >>/////it doesn't include "california uber alles"................p<< I'd forgotten that was on Fast. Doesn't fit with the roster at all.... Hadn't Fast become Pop Aural by then anyway? Fire Engines were on PA rather than Fast. The name change was a Tax dodge I think! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:25:25 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool Keith, > >>No, no, Mark. Don't compare Diamond with the (still sometimes) wonderful > Mr > Ashcroft! Check The Meaning may be MOR, but only in a Sefronia sense.<< > Sorry, but I just don't see that. Ashcroft's solo stuff is just bland old > dad-rock, sung through the larynx of Jim Diamond, (certainly not that of > Tim Buckley!!). Over-dramatised doggerel over a plodding, over-produced backing bereft of the bits > that made the Verve interesting (largely Nick McCabe's space-rock drone > guitar). > That told him! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:27:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/8/03 6:55:23 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > Hell, how many Jim Diamonds are there? One's too many! Note to Robert - don't be tempted, mate! The ph.d Roxy /10cc comparisons don't hold. >> thanks for looking out for me Keith! but no worry...i wasn't the slightest bit curious...i have a full plate of sonic things to explore to keep me busy right now: i have two wonderful cds by our own Mr. Fergus Kelly which i am enjoying tremendously..as well as oodles of Zoviet France! (thank you!) i am making my way through some brilliant Kompakt stuff that Mr. Michael F. Gill has been so kind to share with me..(thank you!) recently found new & old cds by Mika Vainio, Phil Niblock, Hecker, Severed Heads, Kreidler, Mouse on Mars, ISAN, Solvent, Marumari, Liaisons Dangereuses, David Moufang & Pete Namlook, Wolfram Spyra, Klaus Schulze... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:24:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] future/human lg In a message dated 3/8/2003 4:48:58 AM GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >>> don't think so ... if memory serves, it includes some pop: aural (which i > believe bob last began after his fast days) artists like the fire engines > (by whom i have only the new gold dream 12", or whatever it's called ... > come to think of it, wasn't that a simple minds lp?<< Big Gold Dream - Fire engines single circa 81 New Gold Dream - Simple Minds Album circa 84 >> perhaps my memory's off > today), boots for dancing, etc.<< There were a lot of bands on Pop Aural though - would justify an album in itself. As well as the Fire Engines (some of whose stiff was on their own label, Codex) you had bands like Restricted Code, The Flowers and Boots for Dancing. You really should have all the fire engines stuff (one album and three singles, plus Peel sessions). It was reissued on CD a while back... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:37:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > > Over-dramatised doggerel over a plodding, over-produced backing but over-dramatised doggerel over a plodding, over produced backing with great vocs! The fab Check the Meaning apart I'm not so wild about the 2nd album (though it's enjoyable enough), but the first is unfairly maligned IMO. So RA found love & happiness and wanted to share it with us. It's nice to hear something uplifting for a change! I await the critical re-appraisal with interest (and patience!) > That told him! You're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:47:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Futureheads From the singles page in todays Guardian... The Futureheads - 1-2-3 Nul! (Fantastic Plastic) "Modernists in the most respected tradition (think XTC, Wire and possibly The Fall after a nice hot bath) these four tracks show a band in complete control. The future has spoken!" Anyone heard it/them? Reviewer incidentally was Lauren Laverne, who I believe is a kids telly presenter these days. Keith NP The Stooges - Search & Destroy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:05:28 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] future/human lg >In a message dated 3/8/2003 4:48:58 AM GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >>>> don't think so ... if memory serves, it includes some pop: aural (which i >> believe bob last began after his fast days) artists like the fire engines >> (by whom i have only the new gold dream 12", or whatever it's called ... >> come to think of it, wasn't that a simple minds lp?<< > >Big Gold Dream - Fire engines single circa 81 >New Gold Dream - Simple Minds Album circa 84 > >>> perhaps my memory's off > today), boots for dancing, etc.<< > >There were a lot of bands on Pop Aural though - would justify an album in >itself. As well as the Fire Engines (some of whose stiff was on their own >label, Codex) you had bands like Restricted Code, The Flowers and Boots for >Dancing. my feelings exactly. at least over here, that label received almost no attention whatsoever, which from the little i've heard (mainly the boots for dancing 7" & 12", flowers' 2 7"s & the fire engines' big gold dream [thanks for the title clarification, mark!] 12") is a shame. > >You really should have all the fire engines stuff (one album and three >singles, plus Peel sessions). It was reissued on CD a while back... yes, i really should. alas, all my attempts to obtain said disc -- entitled "fund", i believe -- have proven unsuccessful to date. i do have a tape a friend made me about 20 years ago of the us release of the lp (which i believe swaps some lp tracks with single sides compared to the uk original), at least. dan > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:14:04 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural (was: futre/human lg) nor does it include anything from the 3 earcom samplers, which in a just world would be reissued along with all the other fast stuff. i have no idea whether anything besides the 2 jd tracks on earcom 2 & the middle class tracks on earcom 3 have ever been preserved on cd ... the latter comp, looking back, must be one of the seminal records from my (relative) youth -- middle class' situations & out of vogue foreshadowed the development of thrash but were miles above it, & the daf track is simply outstanding, right up there with the best of, say, metal urbain. still haven't heard anything else by daf that approaches it ... any suggestions by anyone out there? btw, as i've probably noted before, the us version of the fast comp was retitled mutant pop & subs the flowers' confessions/life after dark single for, i believe, the mekons' 2nd 7" (horrors!). dan, wondering if 2-3 ever did anything other than the one fast single ... >> >>/////it doesn't include "california uber alles"................p<< > > >I'd forgotten that was on Fast. Doesn't fit with the roster at all.... Hadn't >Fast become Pop Aural by then anyway? Fire Engines were on PA rather than >Fast. > >The name change was a Tax dodge I think! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:19:38 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool >and i always hated queen. p certainly never did a thing for me, either, though in retrospect i suppose i wouldn't mind hearing crazy little thing called love or under pressure again ... maybe even another one bites the dust, which oddly enough always made me think of pil's careering. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:21:51 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool & i'm listening to, um ... well, in a second i'll be putting on radio 4's first cd, having just listened to chumabwamba's recently released antiwar recasting of jacob's ladder from last year's album. i feel so hideously inadequate ... dan >thanks for looking out for me Keith! but no worry...i wasn't the slightest >bit curious...i have a full plate of sonic things to explore to keep me busy >right now: > >i have two wonderful cds by our own Mr. Fergus Kelly which i am enjoying >tremendously..as well as oodles of Zoviet France! (thank you!) > >i am making my way through some brilliant Kompakt stuff that Mr. Michael F. >Gill has been so kind to share with me..(thank you!) > > >recently found new & old cds by Mika Vainio, Phil Niblock, Hecker, Severed >Heads, Kreidler, Mouse on Mars, ISAN, Solvent, Marumari, Liaisons >Dangereuses, David Moufang & Pete Namlook, Wolfram Spyra, Klaus Schulze... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:49:34 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] How to Perpetuate a Thread You Would Sooner Kill I refer back a fortnight or so to slander directed at me by Bitsilli@aol.con who can go fuck a duck. For the record I have never accused anyone on IC of child abuse. What a boring bastard bitsilli is. Only posts to bitch about me and has little to say about anything else. How does he know I'm still vegan? I might've taken a white castle slice out of India's sacred cow last night for all he knows. Go milk your spume of blindness. Is the irony of posting back entire messages I wrote that he disapproved of tagged as 'restraint' lost of this hypocrite? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:56:27 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] In the ART of Cabbing If you stand in the middle of Oxford Rd, Manchester shouting WIRE lyrics in the middle of the night, it stops traffic. Its all in the ART The Hunches, Kling Klang, Macrocosmica and Our Beautiful Ridiculous Plan rocked my night, a week back. Earlier that in that same week of movement, a most hideous replica was observed just before the triple affirmitive band went supernova with no replaceable parts. Just in case it passed you by, Bruce was right. The biggest rock group worth a Damn since Nirvana is about to ignite. In the ART of STOPPING www.stopesso.com/war Will they be Fearing the Cheering? Standing in the middle of Oxford Rd chanting, "It's all in the art of stopping" becomes socially acceptable behaviour when the masses gather to show disapproval of the moneygrubbin' warmongers. The night before another doublegig jaunt occurred with Floatation Toy Warning and Stray Light rockin' nice at Tmesis where a lass who looks like Malka Spigel's little sister was serving the ale. Across town at Retrobar Jackie O were garagepunk explodin'... I was quiet very surprised to hear a DJ who is not me playing WIRE (I am the Fly) so hats off to Steve 'Cabaret' Manford (who also played Yashar and several other choice cuts). Tomorrow is Joe Strummer charity tribute with many bands covering the Clash. Lord Mongo will be looking for the cardboard penile angles in Tommy Gun which will probably not prove hard to find for such an old perv. So is 03 shaping up to be the most PUNK ROCK year since 77? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP The Catheters (aka Mudhoney Jr) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:02:22 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: fischerspooner was glancing through the future releases section at sirendisc the other day when i saw a listing for an ep with at least 3 versions of f-spooner's cover of "the 15th" ... just got off the site & noticed that it's no longer included. anyone know anything more? dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:06:44 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural >>> & the daf track is simply outstanding, right > up there with the best of, say, metal urbain. still haven't heard anything > else by daf that approaches it ... any suggestions by anyone out there?<< Indeed it is - it's one of the few things by the original 5-piece DAF. I's say the Kebabtraume single was as good, as is the studio side of Die Kleinen und die Bosen (especially the opening track Osten wahrt am langsten, which is astonishing). Incidentally Kebabtraume was recorded by three different German bands, such is its tortured parentage (bit like Read it in books and Teardrop/Bunnymen)... > >>btw, as i've probably noted before, the us version of the fast comp was > retitled mutant pop & subs the flowers' confessions/life after dark single > for, i believe, the mekons' 2nd 7" (horrors!).<< Oh dear. > > >>dan, wondering if 2-3 ever did anything other than the one fast single > ...<< > > Not as far as I'm aware. They're not featured on Bouquet of Steel, the > Sheffield compilation of the day. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:08:05 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: fischerspooner In a message dated 3/8/03 2:02:12 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >an ep with at least 3 versions of f-spooner's cover > >of "the 15th" ... just got off the site & noticed that it's no longer > >included. anyone know anything more? hey dan, i wouldn't call your post off topic. i had read a while back, i believe at the fischerspooner site, that release was being delayed. haven't heard anything since. -paul c.d. p.s. this post was more ot than dan's ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:13:04 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural >> >>dan, wondering if 2-3 ever did anything other than the one fast single >> ...<< >> >> Not as far as I'm aware. They're not featured on Bouquet of Steel, the >> Sheffield compilation of the day. > >Mark which i'm also hoping for a cd reissue of ... i have vague memories of passing over the lp (at least part of which i have on tape) while rooting through the vinyl at the used store near my house maybe 5 years ago -- hope i'm remembering incorrectly. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:12:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In the ART of Cabbing > >>So is 03 shaping up to be the most PUNK ROCK year since 77?<< > > I'd say the most punk rock year since 1977 was 1978... > > Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:22:06 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: fischerspooner my access to site-surfing has been screwed up since a visit to buzzcocks.com about an hour ago messed up my format or someething, but right before that i visited cduniverse & saw they're listing the 15th ep as due out in a week or so ... no info on tracks-listing, though. hell, maybe i'm confusing that with a sirendisc mention. dan >In a message dated 3/8/03 2:02:12 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >>an ep with at least 3 versions of f-spooner's cover >> >>of "the 15th" ... just got off the site & noticed that it's no longer >> >>included. anyone know anything more? > >hey dan, > >i wouldn't call your post off topic. i had read a while back, i believe at >the fischerspooner site, that release was being delayed. haven't heard >anything since. -paul c.d. > >p.s. this post was more ot than dan's ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:43:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural Dan, > >> Not as far as I'm aware. They're not featured on Bouquet of Steel, the > >> Sheffield compilation of the day. > > > > which i'm also hoping for a cd reissue of ... i have vague memories of > passing over the lp (at least part of which i have on tape) while rooting > through the vinyl at the used store near my house maybe 5 years ago -- hope > i'm remembering incorrectly.<< Make sure you get a copy woth the book, which features every Sheffield band of the time (including those not on the album, from Def Leppard to Pulp, who get a one-liner decribing them as a 'new band heavily influenced by the Fall' or something...) I guess those regional compilations are a copyright nightmare that not even the intrepid Mr Nice at LTM would tackle - especially if a few tracks ended up on albums later on. But it would be nice to see some of them reissued - like Street to Street (the Liverpool one) or the Manchester Musicians Collective one, which seems to fetch huge amounts these days, (featuring as it does the talents of Mr K Eden of this parish, among other delights) and I don't have a copy :-( There's also a mythical Bournemouth compilation which allegedly contains two tracks by one of the greatest of great lost bands, Attic, that are not featured on their rare-as-hen's teeth EPs. Anyone got this?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool........................ .............(just thought I'd keep it going)................................................... Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:55:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > >>but over-dramatised doggerel over a plodding, over produced backing with > great vocs!<< ...that sound like Jim Diamond!!!!!! > >>The fab Check the Meaning apart I'm not so wild about the 2nd album > (though > it's enjoyable enough), but the first is unfairly maligned IMO. So RA found > love & happiness and wanted to share it with us. It's nice to hear > something > uplifting for a change! I await the critical re-appraisal with interest > (and > patience!)<< A great deal of patience!!! > > That told him! > > You're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy ; )<< Heheheh! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:02:42 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural i'll be damned -- that machester comp, "a manchester collection," was one of the records caught in the net during my huge vinyl trawl 3 or 4 summers ago in the attaining-mythical-status store behind my house. and damn if one kevin eden isn't listed as handling vocals & guitars for a band called slight seconds. had no idea this one was particularly valuable ... for godssakes, on the cover is a sticker for one measly buck. can't say attic have ever appeared on my radar screen before. only comp my 22-year-old "international discography of the new wave" lists them as appearing on (one track,. supposedly -- no title provided) is south specific, described as a "portsmouth compilation" on brainbooster records. is that the same record? i have no idea of the relationship, if any, bettween portsmouth & bournemouth, the latter of which i know only as half the title of one of my fave fall songs. i really must go digging into the hyped2death website ... previous visits reveal, if memory serves, that the guy doing those comps has spent quite a bit of time sifting through various regional comps like the ones we're talking about. dan >Dan, > > >> >> Not as far as I'm aware. They're not featured on Bouquet of Steel, the >> >> Sheffield compilation of the day. >> > >> >> which i'm also hoping for a cd reissue of ... i have vague memories of >> passing over the lp (at least part of which i have on tape) while rooting >> through the vinyl at the used store near my house maybe 5 years ago -- hope >> i'm remembering incorrectly.<< > >Make sure you get a copy woth the book, which features every Sheffield band >of the time (including those not on the album, from Def Leppard to Pulp, who >get a one-liner decribing them as a 'new band heavily influenced by the Fall' >or something...) > >I guess those regional compilations are a copyright nightmare that not even >the intrepid Mr Nice at LTM would tackle - especially if a few tracks ended >up on albums later on. But it would be nice to see some of them reissued - >like Street to Street (the Liverpool one) or the Manchester Musicians >Collective one, which seems to fetch huge amounts these days, (featuring as >it does the talents of Mr K Eden of this parish, among other delights) and I >don't have a copy :-( > >There's also a mythical Bournemouth compilation which allegedly contains two >tracks by one of the greatest of great lost bands, Attic, that are not >featured on their rare-as-hen's teeth EPs. Anyone got this?? > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:23:35 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural > >>i'll be damned -- that machester comp, "a manchester collection," was one > of > the records caught in the net during my huge vinyl trawl 3 or 4 summers ago > in the attaining-mythical-status store behind my house. and damn if one > kevin eden isn't listed as handling vocals & guitars for a band called > slight seconds.<< Who I saw supporting no less a band than Joy Division, in 1980... > >>had no idea this one was particularly valuable ... for godssakes, on the > cover is a sticker for one measly buck.<< Bastard! Last copy I saw was going for 35 quid!!! > >>can't say attic have ever appeared on my radar screen before. only comp my > 22-year-old "international discography of the new wave" lists them as > appearing on (one track,. supposedly -- no title provided) is south > specific, described as a "portsmouth compilation" on brainbooster records. > is that the same record? i have no idea of the relationship, if any, > bettween portsmouth & bournemouth, the latter of which i know only as half > the title of one of my fave fall songs.<< Probably me just getting my south coast towns confused. Bournemouth is about 30 miles to the west of Portsmouth. Southampton is in between the two. Neither town is noted as a hot-bed of rock'n'roll debauchery... At least one Attic single is on Brain Booster... > >>i really must go digging into the hyped2death website ... previous visits > reveal, if memory serves, that the guy doing those comps has spent quite a > bit of time sifting through various regional comps like the ones we're > talking about.<< > > Is this the same lot who do the Messthetics compilations? Tremendous stuff > - they have things I've never even heard of. Which makes thme pretty > obscure! Likewise, I have things that would make them wet themselves ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:39:47 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > > I await the critical re-appraisal with interest (and patience!) > > A great deal of patience!!! Well I'm only 42! On the subject of regional comps, I can recommend Unearthed (Liverpool Cult Classic) that came out a couple of years ago. There's a few dodgy tracks admittedly, but the Wild Swans are there and it's worth the admission just for the A Shallow Madness (Pre-Teardrop Teardrops!) track if you like the Sleeping Gas e.p. It's not a million miles away from that, except rougher. I believe there's a Vol 2 as well, but I've never actually seen that one. Keith NP Soft Cell - Cruelty Without Beauty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:47:34 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural >> >>had no idea this one was particularly valuable ... for godssakes, on the >> cover is a sticker for one measly buck.<< > >Bastard! Last copy I saw was going for 35 quid!!! well, $1 must have been what the guy who dumped all those records originally paid for it ... i had to shell out much, much more -- $2.50. and i later had to pay 10 bloody bucks for the homosexuals album at the same place ... damned price-gouger. > >> >>i really must go digging into the hyped2death website ... previous visits >> reveal, if memory serves, that the guy doing those comps has spent quite a >> bit of time sifting through various regional comps like the ones we're >> talking about.<< >> >> Is this the same lot who do the Messthetics compilations? yep -- same guy(s?). Tremendous stuff >> - they have things I've never even heard of. Which makes thme pretty >> obscure! Likewise, I have things that would make them wet themselves ;-) as i'm all too aware ... i mean, you've got loads of stuff that makes *my* collection look like it came straight from wal-mart last week. *sigh* if only i hadn't been stuck in rural sw arkansas (almost a redundancy) till 8/81 (not that phoenix was to be confused with leeds, manchester or london back in those days). dan >> >> Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:51:03 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool >> > I await the critical re-appraisal with interest (and patience!) >> >> A great deal of patience!!! > >Well I'm only 42! bloody child ... i'll be 44 in just over 6 months. > >On the subject of regional comps, I can recommend Unearthed (Liverpool Cult >Classic) that came out a couple of years ago. There's a few dodgy tracks >admittedly, but the Wild Swans are there and it's worth the admission just >for the A Shallow Madness (Pre-Teardrop Teardrops!) track if you like the >Sleeping Gas e.p. It's not a million miles away from that, except rougher. thanks for that info -- i remember reading about this when it came out, but for some reason i forgot to ever make a point of looking for it. dan > >I believe there's a Vol 2 as well, but I've never actually seen that one. > >Keith > >NP Soft Cell - Cruelty Without Beauty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:51:34 EST From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] purr pet you ate Little Miss Slander Victim: Your predilection for self delusion and revisionist history remains intact. Either that, or you are just a bald faced liar. Charming traits in either case. I gather any one of your unprovoked personal attacks barely stands out in your mind from all the rest, but "Go walk the dog or spank yr son or whatever it is you do offline to relax!" Posted by Graeme Rowland on 10 Feb, 2003. For the record, indeed. You are so used to treating people like garbage that an outrageous assertion like this on your part doesn't even linger in your petulant little mind. And please, spare me the inevitable reply that I'm too stupid to "get" your sense of humor. You don't like the fact that all I do is point out that you are a jerk? Stop acting like one and I'll never post again. Good day to you, sir. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:02:26 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Rat Scabies no, he's not dead (though how could we tell?). my aforementioned computer woes prevent me from pasting in links for some damned (no pun intended) reason, but a friend just sent the following -- >It looks like Rat Scabies is selling off a bunch of >stuff on eBay. > >http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=suburb an_kid&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:20:48 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg In a message dated 3/8/03 2:01:16 PM GMT Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > > >> >>/////it doesn't include "california uber alles"................p<< > > > I'd forgotten that was on Fast. Doesn't fit with the roster at all.... > Hadn't Fast become Pop Aural by then anyway? Fire Engines were on PA rather > than Fast. > > ///mind you , CUA must've sold 20x anything else they released! there was also the h/league's "dignity of labour" 12" which i suspect they won't be playing on the fabby "here & now" tour. i keep seeing PA singles cheap , i think this was just the evolution of Fast. mostly OK but they'd be dead lucky to keep up the momentum of those first few releases.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] an observation wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital than ever this discussion list seems less of either between pissy hissy fits, poorly reasoned or documented political commentary and lengthy discussions of relativly dull topics, i bid you adieu to be fair, there are some very interesting, tasteful and articulate posters, but the signal to noise level seems to be dwindling heres to more wire in the coming years [i'm particularly excited about yet another chicago show - maybe robert can find his way here this time;)] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] an observation wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital than ever this discussion list seems less of either between pissy hissy fits, poorly reasoned or documented political commentary and lengthy discussions of relativly dull topics, i bid you adieu to be fair, there are some very interesting, tasteful and articulate posters, but the signal to noise level seems to be dwindling heres to more wire in the coming years [i'm particularly excited about yet another chicago show - maybe robert can find his way here this time;)] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] an observation wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital than ever this discussion list seems less of either between pissy hissy fits, poorly reasoned or documented political commentary and lengthy discussions of relativly dull topics, i bid you adieu to be fair, there are some very interesting, tasteful and articulate posters, but the signal to noise level seems to be dwindling heres to more wire in the coming years [i'm particularly excited about yet another chicago show - maybe robert can find his way here this time;)] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:31:49 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an apology - --- rayographique wrote: too many times damn yahoo cheerio d ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:45:07 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation At 02:29 PM 3/8/2003 -0800, rayographique wrote: >wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital >than ever >this discussion list seems less of either > >between pissy hissy fits, poorly reasoned or >documented political commentary and lengthy >discussions of relativly dull topics, i bid you adieu The perverse thing about it is that Wire is more active than ever, as noted above. The more they're here, the less we need to talk about them, It Seems. I'm sorry to lose another list member. It's not as though there's been a mass exodus, but here is exactly the type of dedicated fan who should belong on idealcopy. Or rather, idealcopy should belong to him. Pondering changing the list to "eightiescrapbandsandorhissyfits@smoe.org." Other suggestions? later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:25:32 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation no doubt many of ray's points are valid, but i must say i don't remember a whole lot of recent attempts by him to wrangle us back on-topic. and as a point of fact, we discuss quite a lot of crap (& non-crap) bands from the '70s, '90s & '00s, too. as for wire being more relevant than ever, i quite agree. i also know that, unlike graeme, most of us have heard nothing new by them since early fall of last year, at the latest. if anyone wants to send an early copy of spend my way, i promise to wax verbose. dan >At 02:29 PM 3/8/2003 -0800, rayographique wrote: >>wire currently being debatably more relevant and vital >>than ever >>this discussion list seems less of either >> >>between pissy hissy fits, poorly reasoned or >>documented political commentary and lengthy >>discussions of relativly dull topics, i bid you adieu > >The perverse thing about it is that Wire is more active than ever, as noted above. The more they're here, the less we need to talk about them, It Seems. > >I'm sorry to lose another list member. It's not as though there's been a mass exodus, but here is exactly the type of dedicated fan who should belong on idealcopy. Or rather, idealcopy should belong to him. > >Pondering changing the list to "eightiescrapbandsandorhissyfits@smoe.org." Other suggestions? > >later, > >listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:36:17 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futre/human lg for godssakes, then, pick 'em up & send 'em my way! dan >i keep seeing PA singles cheap , i think this was just the evolution of Fast. >mostly OK but they'd be dead lucky to keep up the momentum of those first few >releases.p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:35:37 +0100 From: wnn493694@tiscali.nl Subject: [idealcopy] Colin Newman on webtv I would like to remind the announcement on post-everything Colin is doimg something for German web-tv monday. Colin Newman live in WEB TV!!! Colin newman will show up in our weekly WEB TV Show called : "K?HLKAMMER" on monday (10th of March,gmt, 20.00 o?clock) . We will have him interviewed by Joachim Hiller/ OX Fanzine and will have a special guest too, that we don?t wanna name here, for sure. join now or monday night(gmt, 20.00 o?clock): www.triggerfish.de or go directly to: http://www.triggerfish.de/magazin/home.cfm?p=2025 WIRE's Mastermind Colin Newman zu Gast in unserer K?hlkammer - 25 Jahre Punk-Geschichte und Kunstkontext. Inwieweit geht das heute noch zusammen? Am 28. April wird auf jeden Fall mit "Send" ein neues Album der Engl?nder ver?ffentlicht, das - versprochen - nicht entt?uscht. Am 10. M?rz bei uns in der K?hlkammer. JanJ Noorda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:40:57 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fast/pop: aural > >>well, $1 must have been what the guy who dumped all those records > originally > paid for it ... i had to shell out much, much more -- $2.50. and i later > had > to pay 10 bloody bucks for the homosexuals album at the same place ... > damned price-gouger.<< I dream of finding shops like that. The aforementioned Attic singles came from a secondhand shop in Preston in 1980, for 10p each, along with another half a dozen hyper-rare indie singles from about a year previous that I'd heard on Peel (Disco Students' South Africa House and Disco Zombies' Drums over London among them). These records were almost impossible to find even in Manchester or Liverpool. The oddest thing was that there must have been someone else in the town who'd sought these out (probably mail order from Rough Trade, which was the failsafe way of getting stuff), and then sold them a year or so later. As for Blackpool or Preston, forget it, though there was a shop in Blackpool that did get one copy of some indie releases. Got the first Josef K single there. Things only got better when Gordon Gibson opened the mighty Action Records, initially as a market stall... now home to The Fall, of course. > >> >>yep -- same guy(s?). > > Tremendous stuff > >> - they have things I've never even heard of. Which makes thme pretty > >> obscure! Likewise, I have things that would make them wet themselves ;-) > > as i'm all too aware ... i mean, you've got loads of stuff that makes *my* > collection look like it came straight from wal-mart last week. *sigh* if > only i hadn't been stuck in rural sw arkansas (almost a redundancy) till > 8/81 (not that phoenix was to be confused with leeds, manchester or london > back in those days).<< Though I have massive gaps. I can't remember the number of times I flicked past the Homosexuals' Hearts in Exile in Manchester, notably in a weird anarchist bookshop (now long gone) that was near the Free Trade Hall. Had stacks of Object records and associated stuff. I think I bought the first 2 Passage EPs there. > > When you see those Messtehtics compilations you get some idea of just how much DIY stuff came out in the post-punk era... I've got a pretty good collection - but there's plenty of things they've obviously got that I'd love to have. Mind you, a lot of it is crap too!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:41:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: unearthed > >>thanks for that info -- i remember reading about this when it came out, > but > for some reason i forgot to ever make a point of looking for it.<< > > Same here!! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:34:03 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] an observation In a message dated 3/8/03 4:28:10 PM Central Standard Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: > heres to more wire in the coming years > [i'm particularly excited about yet another chicago > show - maybe robert can find his way here this time;)] > i won't miss the second chance that i get....maybe i'll meet you there? Robert ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #68 ******************************