From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #66 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] ebay badges [kevin eden ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] post-punk started here (mojo 3/03) ["Bob Swan" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] futre/human lg ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy]OT- future/human league [Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] ebay badges The Coatings badge was not authosised by us. The other badges in the picture are unofficial too. The person doing them is having a laugh saying they are rare. If anyone buys them the the seller has seen you coming!! kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:33:13 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool Dan quoted: * "the problem with all these bands (soft boys, echo & the bunnymen, teadrop explodes & the psychedelic furs) was that their more melodic inclinations tended to meld easily with the less-aggressive pop-oriented new wave bands that were also pouring out of the uk at the same: new order, soft cell, ph.d (who?), spandau ballet, human league, the cure, a flock of seagulls, cabaret voltaire, the smiths." //////////////// With that lineup, my guess is that it's a computer spellchecked OMD. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > Dan quoted: > >... less-aggressive pop-oriented new wave bands ... cabaret voltaire... WTF!?! and if that wuz a spellchecked OMD, the reviewer might want to revisit Dazzle Ships as well ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:45:03 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 6:27:38 PM GMT Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > With that lineup, my guess is that it's a computer spellchecked OMD. > > Eric in Toronto ////no , they were a horrible synth act. think (even more) MOR flock of seagulls. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:53:10 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool absolutely! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of rayographique Sent: March 7, 2003 1:36 PM To: ideal copy Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > Dan quoted: > >... less-aggressive pop-oriented new wave bands ... cabaret voltaire... WTF!?! and if that wuz a spellchecked OMD, the reviewer might want to revisit Dazzle Ships as well ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:00:49 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 12:27:38 PM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << * "the problem with all these bands (soft boys, echo & the bunnymen, teadrop explodes & the psychedelic furs) was that their more melodic inclinations tended to meld easily with the less-aggressive pop-oriented new wave bands that were also pouring out of the uk at the same: new order, soft cell, ph.d (who?), spandau ballet, human league, the cure, a flock of seagulls, cabaret voltaire, the smiths." >> so...being melodic and less-aggressive is a "problem" ??? ahh...i guess America is in good shape then... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:13:32 -0000 From: "Bob Swan" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] post-punk started here (mojo 3/03) > Just been reading the March edition of Mojo (and yes I am wearing my slippers) > - it has (yet another) Top 50 Punk albums. I thought the Mojo list was, overall, better than Uncut's. The usual suspects all present and correct (more or less) but a broader selection including Crass, Bad Brains and Minor Threat. A few suspect entries though - notably Discharge and The Exploited (despite them being my local punk band). I was pleased to see The Ruts figure as high as #6 - I've always rated them by far the best of the 2nd wave of bands that emerged in '79 and still love their stuff. BobS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:06:03 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 12:45:32 PM Central Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: << > With that lineup, my guess is that it's a computer spellchecked OMD. > > Eric in Toronto ////no , they were a horrible synth act. think (even more) MOR flock of seagulls. p >> OMD a "horrible" synth act ? hmmm...have you heard their first three or four albums? i don't find them to be horrible at all... as someone who loves and respects electronic music dearly, i think that OMD hold a special place in that genres history.... ahh well...i often find that most people who are into "aggressive" and "loud" music such as punk and rock usually hate anything electronic anyway...."if it has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or anger" yawn... RL RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:22:29 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool not to pave the way to the great afos debate again, but of course i agree with robert on this one. at any moment, in fact, i'll be ordering the new reissue of the first or 2nd omd album with early experimental tracks tacked on (my copy of the vinyl didn't come with the bonus 7"), & i've got their b-sides collection backordered already. fwiw, the book's author also reviles the far more commercially successful likes of prince, madonna & cyndi lauper, all of whom had their good points (especially prince) in the mid-'80s, if you ask me (or at least if you had a radio but not a tape player in your car). dan, whose pop sweet-tooth has defeated all dental efforts at extraction >In a message dated 3/7/03 12:45:32 PM Central Standard Time, >PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > ><< > With that lineup, my guess is that it's a computer spellchecked OMD. > > > > Eric in Toronto > > ////no , they were a horrible synth act. think (even more) MOR flock of > seagulls. p > >> > >OMD a "horrible" synth act ? hmmm...have you heard their first three or four >albums? i don't find them to be horrible at all... > >as someone who loves and respects electronic music dearly, i think that OMD >hold a special place in that genres history.... > >ahh well...i often find that most people who are into "aggressive" and "loud" >music such as punk and rock usually hate anything electronic anyway...."if it >has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or >anger" > >yawn... > >RL > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:26:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 1:22:49 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << dan, whose pop sweet-tooth has defeated all dental efforts at extraction >> does that make you an anti-dentite? np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror/Blubberknife double cd compilation... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:29:46 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 7:06:03 PM GMT Standard Time, RLynn 9 writes: > OMD a "horrible" synth act ? hmmm...have you heard their first three or > four albums? i don't find them to be horrible at all... ////no , phD were a horrible synth act. for fear of being accused of factual inaccuracy i have consulted my book and their hit was a piece of old toss called "i won't let you down" which got to #3 in 1982 pop pickers. tho OMD never did much for me to be honest. bit lightweight for what i was into in 81 or whenever. i much prefer andy mccluskey's more recent work with atomic kitten. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:56:14 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 07/03/2003 19:06:47 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > ahh well...i often find that most people who are into "aggressive" and > "loud" > music such as punk and rock usually hate anything electronic anyway...."if > it > has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or > anger" > > yawn... > Blatently untrue Robert.And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff. Personally love electronic stuff & loud & agressive - especially loud & aggressive electronica. Get some Aphex Twin turned up in your face. Been lurking everyone & busy.April Barbican gig getting nearer. Chris NP.New Order Retro Disc Four NR.Verdi - Aida (Highlights) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:58:44 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 07/03/2003 19:27:44 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > > np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror/Blubberknife > double > cd compilation... > > RL > Would restore anyone's faith in music.Masterpieces.Have Goodbye Tonsils to hand & will play shortly. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:00:15 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 07/03/2003 19:31:31 GMT Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > ////no , phD were a horrible synth act. Thought so Paul.Catchy single but the album was shite. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:06:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool << << ahh well...i often find that most people who are into "aggressive" and "loud" music such as punk and rock usually hate anything electronic anyway...."if it has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or anger" yawn... >> Blatently untrue Robert.And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff.>>>> actually if you read what i said (above) i was careful to use words like "often" and "usually" ...and of course i was speaking of my own experience...remember, i live in the midwest (USA) and most people (as Dan can relate..living in the south) around here are into hard rock (of the "classic" variety) , nu-metal, or rap .... Personally love electronic stuff & loud & agressive - especially loud & aggressive electronica. Get some Aphex Twin turned up in your face.>>>> and of course, i do too...nothing like hearing "Quoth" at a massively loud level...which is why i frequently wake myself in the morning with a blast of Merzbow & Russell Haswell's "Satanstornade" (Mego) or Bruce's "In Esse" or something by Hecker..Bogdan Raczynski, Pita, Rehberg & Bauer, Nurse With Wound, and some of Coil's more clattering drones like "Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil" ....i was speaking of things like nu-metal, punk, stadium rock..blah blah blah that i hear blasted from every car in my hometown... Been lurking everyone & busy.>>> good to hear from you...even though you read me wrong... April Barbican gig getting nearer. Chris>>>>> sigh...have a great time all.... Robert NP.New Order Retro Disc Four NR.Verdi - Aida (Highlights) >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:08:25 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 1:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: << << np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror/Blubberknife double cd compilation... RL >> Would restore anyone's faith in music.Masterpieces.Have Goodbye Tonsils to hand & will play shortly. Chris >> haha! i am listening to that now...on this compilation it fails to mention that all of the Goodbye Tonsils 12" is included.... great stuff indeed! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, dan bailey wrote: > just submitted to amazon the following review, based largely on a quick > off-list e-mail to keith astbury, of joe s harrington's recently > published "sonic cool: the life & death of rock'n'roll" -- I had never heard of Harrington until someone posted a pointer to his "top 100 albums" piece on another mailing list of mine. He seems like a total jackass -- his analyses remind me (as, admittedly, a lot of rock journalism does) of people I knew in college who would write papers about punk rock knowing that they could make up whatever shit they wanted and the teacher wouldn't know it was phony. Add to that some knee-jerk sexism and homophobia (or simulacra of them meant to be funny... whatever...) and I don't see why anyone would read the guy unless they were tricked into thinking his attitude meant he was super-authentic. Aggressive electronica: just got Venetian Snares' Higgins Ultra Low Track Glue Funk Hits. I like it. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:45:43 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool whereas i just sat down after finding my backordered copy of pre-human league tracks, as by the future, by the door ... will be popping that on the stereo any second now. dan > >Aggressive electronica: just got Venetian Snares' Higgins Ultra Low Track >Glue Funk Hits. I like it. > >a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:35:49 +0100 From: wnn493694@tiscali.nl Subject: [idealcopy] web-tv Found this at post-everything.com Colin Newman in WEB TV salooner 19:33 6 Mar Colin Newman live in WEB TV!!! Colin newman will show up in our weekly WEB TV Show called : "K\HLKAMMER" on monday (10th of March,gmt, 20.00 o4clock) . We will have him interviewed by Joachim Hiller/ OX Fanzine and will have a special guest too, that we don4t wanna name here, for sure. join now or monday night(gmt, 20.00 o4clock): www.triggerfish.de or go directly to: http://www.triggerfish.de/magazin/home.cfm?p=2025 Free speech and more TV Jan J Noorda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:40:32 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 2:27:44 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror among my all time fave records ever...ever. - -paul c.d. p.s. i thought the phd/omd comment was about the former being worse than afos, rather than a typo that got past the puter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:44:17 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool guess i shoulda read through all the posts first...oh well, at least i can now add that goodbye tonsils is also up there with my all time faves ever...ever! - -another In a message dated 3/7/03 5:41:42 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 3/7/03 2:27:44 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >>np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror > >among my all time fave records ever...ever. > >-paul c.d. > >p.s. i thought the phd/omd comment was about the former being worse than > >afos, rather than a typo that got past the puter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:54:31 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: severed heads (was: sonic uncool) geez, sounds like i ought to somehow find the time to listen to my copies of the goodbye tonsils 12", city slab horror lp (which of course includes neither of the tracks cited below) & clifford darling 2lp retrospective (ditto) ... all i know them by is the 20 deadly diseases 12", which did nothing for me when i gave it a listen back around '87. dan >In a message dated 3/7/03 2:27:44 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >>np - Severed Heads - "Since the Accident/City Slab Horror > >among my all time fave records ever...ever. > >-paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:10:50 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > > "if it has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or > > anger" Hahahahaha. Let's hear it for the twee girlie-men art fags!!! > And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who > Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff. That's right. And his solo stuff was even worse! Can't for the life of me think why ph.d were lumped together with any of those bands in Dan's book. "I Won't Let You Down" was more likely to be bought by the same folk who bought, say, Brother in Arms than The Crackdown. I can't believe the publishers let this guy get away with it. Keith NP Julian Cope - Rite Now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:15:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter 07.03.2003 A few acts - Durutti Column, The Clash etc - this week that might interest people here... It's an internet station so US members can listen too! > Hello and welcome. Here's the next week on 6 Music: > > 6 MUSIC FANTASY BAND > Nominations have closed and we're into the second and final phase of our search for the ultimate band. We've now narrowed down the nominations to a shortlist of 10 musicians in six categories. So now it's time to place your vote online for the best vocalist, drummer, bassist, keyboard player, guitarist and miscellaneous rock 'n' roll booty shaker. We've had tens of thousands of votes already and the vote has only been live for 24 hours, so don't miss your chance to have your say. Voting will close on Wednesday night and you have a chance to win a digital radio by voting as well! > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/artists/fantasy.shtml > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US > We're one year old on Tuesday. Listen all day to hear selected highlights from our first year on the air. Then on Tuesday evening we're celebrating by launching our LAMACQ IN THE CITY live music showcases. The first gig will feature KINESIS, KILLCITY and ANTIHERO and even if you're not one of the winners of our competition for VIP passes to the gig, you'll be able to hear highlights on Steve Lamacq's next programme. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/steve_lamacq/lamacq_city.shtml > > LISTEN NOW > New online this week you can listen back to new Maida Vale session tracks from TURIN BRAKES > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/artists/ > Plus hear Phill Jupitus talking to Luton's premier wordsmith JOHN HEGLEY and GEMMA HAYES playing two acoustic tracks for Gideon Coe. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/ > And if you're quick you can catch JAH WOBBLE on My Life in CD and ROSS ALLEN with JIMI TENOR on 6 Mix > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/help/aod.shtml > > > WIN WIN WIN! > Clare McDonnell will be giving away Insomnia on DVD on Saturday. > On Monday Andrew Collins will give away DVDs of Happiness > On Friday Phill Jupitus will give away three sets of reissued Fairport Convention CD's > And online you can win copies of Beth Gibbons and Rustin Man's album Out Of Season > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ > > ON AIR SESSIONS > On Saturday Steve Lamacq will have session tracks from MISS BLACK AMERICA > Gideon Coe will have acoustic tracks from CLEARLAKE on Tuesday, JAMES YORKSTON on Wednesday and THE BUFFSEEDS on Friday > Liz Kershaw will have THE THRILLS in session on Friday > Tom Robinson's Evening Sequence will have Maida Vale session tracks from THE BUFF MEDAWAYS and GRANDAD BOB all week and KATHLEEN EDWARDS playing live and chatting in the studio on Wednesday > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/ > > DON'T MISS > Saturday - > Steve Lamacq meets THE FUTUREHEADS in Your New Favourite Band > THE REVEREND CHUNKY is Craig Charles' guest on the funk show. > Bruce Dickinson talks to (HED) PLANET EARTH on the Rock Show > * Sunday - > Rob from the STEREO MC's joins Tracey MacLeod for My Life in CD, > This week's 6 Mix comes from DR RUBBERFUNK > Vini Reilly of THE DURUTTI COLUMN talks to Bruce Dickinson on the Freak Zone > * Monday - > Liz Kershaw talks to EDDIE PILLER about his Sounds Of Underground London TV series > Andrew Collins meets KENESIS > * Tuesday - > MICK TALBOT joins the two Phil(l)s for breakfast. > * Wednesday - > Phill Jupitus talks to Ex-Terrorvison vocalist, Tony Wright, about his new band LAIKA DOG > * Thursday - > Phill & Phil meet Tom Petersen and Rick Nielsen of CHEAP TRICK > MICK JONES and PAUL SIMONON from The Clash join Gideon Coe > Andrew Collins meets Ron and Russell Mael of SPARKS > Blues expert TONY RUSSELL joins Tom Robinson for Sound Advice > * Friday - > Andrew Collins and guests review the weeks new releases on ROUNDTABLE > Jayne Middlemiss fronts THE MUSIC WEEK bringing you a full seven days of music news and interviews in just one hour. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/ > > EDITORIAL > Get your daily dose of opinion; > "Then there is the romance of the mix tape, the gift that truly said 'I Love You so much that I want to share my dodgy musical taste with you'" > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music_news/editorial_20030303.shtml > > DREAM TICKET > The best live music from the last 30 years recorded exclusively for the BBC. Acts featured this week will include SLY AND ROBBIE, DOVES, ARETHA FRANKLIN and AEROSMITH. Or listen back to sets from CATATONIA, MOTORHEAD, EDWIN COLLINS and BELLY on the BBC Radio Player. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml > > ALBUMS OF THE DAY > Tracks from our recommended new & classic albums. Acts featured this week will be TEGAN AND SARA, ELVIS COSTELLO, GREGORY ISAACS, THE BUFFSEEDS and HOT HOT HEAT > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/joyof6/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:01:23 -0000 From: "david heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool//AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH .... LOOK DUCKY there's nothing wrong with twee girlie art fags - i'm drinking a lovely snowball and doing my nails right now. all the best david in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > > > "if it has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no > balls or > > > anger" > > Hahahahaha. Let's hear it for the twee girlie-men art fags!!! > > > And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who > > Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff. > > That's right. And his solo stuff was even worse! > > Can't for the life of me think why ph.d were lumped together with any of > those bands in Dan's book. "I Won't Let You Down" was more likely to be > bought by the same folk who bought, say, Brother in Arms than The Crackdown. > I can't believe the publishers let this guy get away with it. > > Keith > > NP Julian Cope - Rite Now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:09:53 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool judging from their website, i think the publisher's mainly produced sheet-music & such till now. now that i've e-mailed them, they'll probably never venture into prose again ... that, or perhaps they'll *ahem* hire me to edit such volumes. one afos treatise coming right up! really, though, the bloody book is so error-ridden about even commonly known things (i just saw a post on another list about his saying that kurt cobain died during the recording of hole's 2nd album ... not likely, as it came out something like the following week) that, being mercurial by nature, i don't know whether i should risk reading any further! best to concentrate on the soothing likes of patricia cornwell's "portrait of a killer: jack the ripper case closed," which i'm about 60 percent through. dan >> And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who >> Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff. > >That's right. And his solo stuff was even worse! > >Can't for the life of me think why ph.d were lumped together with any of >those bands in Dan's book. "I Won't Let You Down" was more likely to be >bought by the same folk who bought, say, Brother in Arms than The Crackdown. >I can't believe the publishers let this guy get away with it. > >Keith > >NP Julian Cope - Rite Now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:13:29 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool//AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH .... In a message dated 3/7/03 6:07:53 PM Central Standard Time, d.heale@virgin.net writes: > LOOK DUCKY > there's nothing wrong with twee girlie art fags - > i'm drinking a lovely snowball and doing my nails right now. > > > of course there isn't....i was quoting any one of the Neanderthals that i had to endure while growing up.... it wasn't pretty.... now hand me my feather boa...i'm late for coctails... ciao! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:19:24 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool yep, i know right where robert's coming from, musically *&* geographically (though i persist in believing that compared to where i'm at now -- "the cradle of the confederacy" -- st louis must be the equivalent of la, frisco or nyc). & if i may repeat myself from another list earlier this afternoon, i harbored similar disdain for keyboards (i remember amusing myself by coming up with "if there's no future, how can there be synths" back in '79 or so) during the early era, as did a lot of people over here, the likes of human league, throbbing gristle, the cabs, the screamers & even suicide being generally unknown &/or unheard. i guess that makes numan/tubeway army's replicas lp, which i bought on a whim in the early fall of '79, one of the key records in my development, such as it is. ten seconds into the android strut of me! i disconnect from you & i was a goner ... dan ><< << ahh well...i often find that most people who are into "aggressive" and >"loud" > music such as punk and rock usually hate anything electronic anyway...."if >it > has synths, it MUST be made be twee girlie-men art fags with no balls or > anger" > > yawn... > >> > > > Blatently untrue Robert.And I think the dissing was surely aimed at PhD who >Dan queried.Jim Diamond I believe.Shocking stuff.>>>> > >actually if you read what i said (above) i was careful to use words like >"often" and "usually" ...and of course i was speaking of my own >experience...remember, i live in the midwest (USA) and most people (as Dan >can relate..living in the south) around here are into hard rock (of the >"classic" variety) , nu-metal, or rap .... > > Personally love electronic stuff & loud & agressive - especially loud & >aggressive electronica. Get some Aphex Twin turned up in your face.>>>> > >and of course, i do too...nothing like hearing "Quoth" at a massively loud >level...which is why i frequently wake myself in the morning with a blast of >Merzbow & Russell Haswell's "Satanstornade" (Mego) or Bruce's "In Esse" or >something by Hecker..Bogdan Raczynski, Pita, Rehberg & Bauer, Nurse With >Wound, and some of Coil's more clattering drones like "Constant Shallowness >Leads to Evil" ....i was speaking of things like nu-metal, punk, stadium >rock..blah blah blah that i hear blasted from every car in my hometown... > > > Been lurking everyone & busy.>>> > >good to hear from you...even though you read me wrong... > >April Barbican gig getting nearer. > Chris>>>>> > >sigh...have a great time all.... >Robert > NP.New Order Retro Disc Four > NR.Verdi - Aida (Highlights) >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:20:31 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter 07.03.2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 6:05:50 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > A few acts - Durutti Column, The Clash etc - this week that might interest > people here... > > It's an internet station so US members can listen too! > > > The Durutti Column have a brand new album out...it's called "Someone Else's Party" and speaking of "Twee Girlie Men Art Fags", Steven Strange of Visage fame has written an autobiography called "Blitzed"... Robert - who is fading to grey as we speak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:21:59 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool//AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH .... time to drag (*cough*) out the new soft cell (which i haven't listened to yet) or old pet shop boy cds, i see ... tgaf for short, dan >In a message dated 3/7/03 6:07:53 PM Central Standard Time, >d.heale@virgin.net writes: > > >> LOOK DUCKY >> there's nothing wrong with twee girlie art fags - >> i'm drinking a lovely snowball and doing my nails right now. >> >> >> > >of course there isn't....i was quoting any one of the Neanderthals that i had >to endure while growing up.... > >it wasn't pretty.... > >now hand me my feather boa...i'm late for coctails... > >ciao! > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:31:33 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter 07.03.2003 but robert, we're *typing*, not speaking. dan, who had hoped the hearing-voices problem wasn't spreading ... "... > >Robert - who is fading to grey as we speak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:34:10 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 6:19:57 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > yep, i know right where robert's coming from, musically *&* geographically>>> > thank you dan...i knew you were a kindred soul and could feel my pain...not all of us have the pleasure of living in Manchester, London, or NYC > (though i persist in believing that compared to where i'm at now -- "the > cradle of the confederacy" -- st louis must be the equivalent of la, frisco > or nyc).>>>>> i doubt there's THAT much of gulf....but i'm sure you are right in some respects...although, the racism here is much more sinister because it's hidden... > > & if i may repeat myself from another list earlier this afternoon, i > harbored similar disdain for keyboards (i remember amusing myself by coming > up with "if there's no future, how can there be synths" back in '79 or so) > during the early era, as did a lot of people over here, the likes of human > league, throbbing gristle, the cabs, the screamers & even suicide being > generally unknown &/or unheard. i guess that makes numan/tubeway army's > replicas lp, which i bought on a whim in the early fall of '79, one of the > key records in my development, such as it is. ten seconds into the android > strut of me! i disconnect from you & i was a goner ...>>>>>> oddly enough, it was the opposite for me....i used to harbor an irrational prejudice against buzzsawing guitars....it took me a long time to grow up and appreciate them... when i was a kid, my favorite song in the whole world was "I'm Not in Love" by 10CC ...which is as about as synth laden as you could get and i was constantly fidgeting with my cousin's Tangerine Dream records...especially "Phaedra" Robert np - Dictaphone - M.=addiction ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:45:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter 07.03.2003 and speaking of "Twee Girlie Men Art Fags", Steven Strange of Visage fame has written an autobiography called "Blitzed"... and he's been out on tour as part of some 80's revival tour with 5 Star (well three of them anyway), Altered Images (well Claire Grogan), Dollar (both of 'em) , the Belle Stars (two of them!) and the gorgeous Kim Wilde (one of her!) The Human League (Phil, the girls and others) headlined - and according to the article I read - were the only act allowed to play new stuff. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:49:26 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool > i harbored similar disdain for keyboards (i remember amusing myself by coming > up with "if there's no future, how can there be synths" back in '79 or so) one thing that synths had going for them in the 70's was that Queen didn't use them. 'No Synths' they printed on their album sleeves. So what! And they still ended up using them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:40:11 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool whereas *my* fave band as a kid was ccr (whose box set i just obtained -- the import can be add for $30 or so less!), whose up around the bend had to be my top song back then, thanks mainly to that incredible opening guitar. of course, before punk came along i was into sparks, so i guess the synth seed had been sown whether i realized it or not. dan >In a message dated 3/7/03 6:19:57 PM Central Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> yep, i know right where robert's coming from, musically *&* geographically>>> >> > >thank you dan...i knew you were a kindred soul and could feel my pain...not >all of us have the pleasure of living in Manchester, London, or NYC > >> (though i persist in believing that compared to where i'm at now -- "the >> cradle of the confederacy" -- st louis must be the equivalent of la, frisco >> or nyc).>>>>> > >i doubt there's THAT much of gulf....but i'm sure you are right in some >respects...although, the racism here is much more sinister because it's >hidden... > >> >> & if i may repeat myself from another list earlier this afternoon, i >> harbored similar disdain for keyboards (i remember amusing myself by coming >> up with "if there's no future, how can there be synths" back in '79 or so) >> during the early era, as did a lot of people over here, the likes of human >> league, throbbing gristle, the cabs, the screamers & even suicide being >> generally unknown &/or unheard. i guess that makes numan/tubeway army's >> replicas lp, which i bought on a whim in the early fall of '79, one of the >> key records in my development, such as it is. ten seconds into the android >> strut of me! i disconnect from you & i was a goner ...>>>>>> > >oddly enough, it was the opposite for me....i used to harbor an irrational >prejudice against buzzsawing guitars....it took me a long time to grow up and >appreciate them... > >when i was a kid, my favorite song in the whole world was "I'm Not in Love" >by 10CC ...which is as about as synth laden as you could get > >and i was constantly fidgeting with my cousin's Tangerine Dream >records...especially "Phaedra" > >Robert >np - Dictaphone - M.=addiction ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:42:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 6:39:40 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > one thing that synths had going for them in the 70's was that Queen didn't > use them. > > 'No Synths' they printed on their album sleeves. So what! > > And they still ended up using them. > my brother used to play air synths to "5 O'Clock in the Morning" by the Village People (their stab at new wave synth pop after disco had died/went back underground) RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:44:19 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter 07.03.2003 the gorgeous Kim Wilde (one of >her!) indeed ... my girlfriend (hope that doesn't cost me my tgaf status!) back in the early '90s sort of resembled a cross between her & rosanna arquette, which wasn't a bad thing at all. and as it happens, probably my favorite u.s. band at the moment (until the dandy warhols' next one comes out, anyway), the epoxies, sound like "kids in america" is imprinted in their genetic material. great non-lp covers of "clones (we're all)" & "join the professionals" going for them, too. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:43:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool In a message dated 3/7/03 6:40:32 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > whereas *my* fave band as a kid was ccr (whose box set i just obtained -- > the import can be add for $30 or so less!), whose up around the bend had to > be my top song back then, thanks mainly to that incredible opening guitar. > of course, before punk came along i was into sparks, so i guess the synth > seed had been sown whether i realized it or not. > > dan > > > > > um...Keith? take it away...he mentioned Sparks RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:07:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] sonic uncool >um...Keith? take it away...he mentioned Sparks RL I may have mentioned this before, but I saw Sparks way back in 1974 (on Bonfire Night!). Excellent. I'm not a Sparks completist by any means - I've only got about 4 of their albums - but I'm gonna have to look out for their last album that was mentioned here recently (& was compared to Wire and Phil Spector etc) Gotta give them credit. Who else from that period is still trying to do something different with each album? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:08:33 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] futre/human lg just got through reading the future/human league early demos cd's liner notes (either my eyesight is going or they're willfully making these things harder & harder to read ... probably both) & was intrigued to see a reference to a fast product classified ad, printed after the being boiled/circus of death 7" came out, "which promised fans to 'send us a tape & we'll fill it!'" can't tell from the context whether that offer included only human league demos (the liner notes say the 7" came from a demo tape that also featured, tantalizingly enough to me, toyota city) or other fast artists. given my fondness for everything i've heard on fast & pop: aural, i'm wondering if anyone out there responded to the above-described ad. (i'm also wondering why in hell i can't find a copy of the expanded cd version of the fast product comp, but that's another story.) dan, who sees the liner notes were written by "sean turner, ex-rental". as in robert? offhand, only band called the rentals i can think of was a boston outfit from around '80, but i have no idea what they may've sounded like. quite possibly i'm overlooking someone, too ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT- future/human league Your 'Ex-Rental' is a synth band from England. Sean oversees the Blind Youth site as well. Check it out sometime. Loads and loads of Future/HL material. I don't know why he has the font so small. I could barely read it. Cheers, Billy > > dan, who sees the liner notes were written by "sean > turner, ex-rental". as > in robert? offhand, only band called the rentals i > can think of was a boston > outfit from around '80, but i have no idea what they > may've sounded like. > quite possibly i'm overlooking someone, too ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #66 ******************************