From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #65 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: THE 100 GREATEST DRUG SONGS EVER ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: THE 100 GREATEST DRUG SONGS EVER If the drug songs list were up to me, I would have included Echo And The Bunnymen's "Do It Clean" somewhere in the top ten. Jason >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:36:08 -0000 >From: "david heale" >Subject: [idealcopy] THE 100 GREATEST DRUG SONGS EVER//something to >read.... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:57:46 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] post-punk started here (mojo 3/03) In a message dated 3/5/2003 10:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > I noticed that they "forgot" to include Patti Smith > "Horses". Kinda makes > the whole list worthless. ////well they did a clash cover story and a greatest ever punk albums in uncut last month , and a clash cover and a list of greatest ever punk albums in mojo this month. so let's take a wild guess that there will be another one along pretty shortly which will no doubt be equally gripping. i am currently compiling my top 50 list of top 50 lists , all entries gratefully recieved. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:13:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] post-punk started here (mojo 3/03) Re: [idealcopy] post-punk started here (mojo 3/03) > In a message dated 3/5/2003 10:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > > > I noticed that they "forgot" to include Patti Smith > > "Horses". Kinda makes > > the whole list worthless. Johnny Marr gushes over Patti in this months Uncut. Says her gig at the Manchester Apollo "completely changed my life. When I listen to that stuff now, it reminds me of why you got hooked on rock music." Meanwhile, John Densmore has taken legal action to prevent messrs Kreiger & Manzarek using the Doors name on tour. Speaking for just about everyone I would imagine, he said he was "sad and hurt" over them mis-using the name. So, ladies & gentlemen, please give a warm hand to the...21st Century Doors...apparently. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 18:20:04 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire/Einsturzende Neubauten Here's a closer onetime link between Wire and Einsturzende Neubauten: Bruce played in Dublin and Cork a couple of years ago with FM Einheit, Caspar Brotzmann and Pansonic. Bruce's set was hilarious. Blink and you'd have missed it. He played for FIVE minutes (I timed it). Chewing a fat cigar, stood in front of a bunch of FX pedals, he twiddled his knobs (Oh! PARDON !!), generating gelatinous Gilbertine goo. Then, after five minutes, he looked down at the ground as though he had dropped something, when in fact he was looking for the power cable, followed it over to the wall where it was plugged in, and yanked it out. End of set. Bye bye Bruce. I have a couple of photos - I must get them online somewhere (the PA was hired from a company called Sensible, so there was Bruce with his FX pedals on top of a flight case with the word SENSIBLE stencilled in large letters on the front - a pretty surreal juxtaposition if ever there was one !) He said he did a 'hippy epic' in Cork the night before - it was 12 minutes. There is indeed a lot to be said for brevity, but it could also be said that there's a fine line between brevity and taking the piss... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:49:24 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#2513621686: The Wire Buttons BRUCE GILBERT Punk badges Someone got 'Big Badge Factory' for Christmas! Did WMO authorise the 'Coatings' button? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of paulrabjohn@aol.com > Sent: 05 March 2003 09:39 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Interesting item on eBay UK web site > item#2513621686: The Wire Buttons BRUCE GILBERT Punk badges > > > I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace > TM, and thought that you might be interested. > > what a haul! > > Title of item: The Wire Buttons BRUCE GILBERT Punk badges > Seller: polinay > Starts: 05-Mar-03 05:00:59 GMT > Ends: 12-Mar-03 05:00:59 GMT > Price: Starts at US $9.99 > To bid on the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2513621686 > > > Item Description: > > > Untitled Document > > > > > > > 8 wire Buttons > You > are biding on -8-1" wire > Buttons . > An > excellent quality beautiful Very Limited Edition Buttons. > Good > Luck and Thank you for biding! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:01:29 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool just submitted to amazon the following review, based largely on a quick off-list e-mail to keith astbury, of joe s harrington's recently published "sonic cool: the life & death of rock'n'roll" -- anyone know where i can submit my resume for employment as a free-lance editor of books that attempt to present any sort of cogent picture of punk? judging from the back cover, harrington should know his stuff, as he's supposedly written for the likes of seconds, reflex, raygun "and numerous fanzines" i hope he's had good editors in those forums, as apparently was *not* the case at hal leonard. while it's nice to see the likes of crass, the fall, the mekons, wire, naked raygun, et al. mentioned in a book one can find on the shelves at a major chain store, i'm starting to think that's about *all* this one has going for it. a few examples gleaned just from skimming the book, which arrived only yesterday: * unless my memory is playing particularly perverse tricks on me, the statement that jello biafra's mayoral campaign "was cut off when some opposition thugs broke his knees" is completely wrong. that, or i'm confusing such an incident with an an attack about a decade later that i believe (a) resulted in one broken knee, not two, (b) was inflicted by hardcore punk purists, & (c) had nothing to do with a mayoral run. * "the problem with all these bands (soft boys, echo & the bunnymen, teadrop explodes & the psychedelic furs) was that their more melodic inclinations tended to meld easily with the less-aggressive pop-oriented new wave bands that were also pouring out of the uk at the same: new order, soft cell, ph.d (who?), spandau ballet, human league, the cure, a flock of seagulls, cabaret voltaire, the smiths." geez, & here i thought cab voltaire, for one, had started making noise (as opposed to proto-new wave) in the early '70s & sounded pretty bloody aggressive &/or disorienting for at least a couple of albums). and yeah, with 17 seconds & faith, the cure *definitely* was hard to distinguish around 1980 from spandau ballet & afos (did they even exist then?). ... etc etc etc. there's more, but i'm giving myself a headache, particularly from the perspective of a veteran newspaper editor originally trained to edit books. if i ever let urban dance squad appear in print as "urban *death* squad, gilman street be spelled "gillman," or "the crass" (don't think i've ever see them use the direct article, & i'm a veteran of the whole early '80s circled-a scene that they engendered) be lumped in with the exploited, anti-nowhere league & skrewdriver as part of "the 'oi' spirit that led to a whole second wave of brit-punk bands," i hope i lose another job. of course, those are errors of *fact* -- i'm not overly impressed, either, with such judgments as "t. rex (aka marc bolan) ... without a hint of musical knowledge, claiming to be the biggest thing in the world." that complete lack of musical knowledge is no doubt why bolan was recruited to play guitar with john's children years before glam began. maybe it's appropriate that mekon/waco brother/lone valley cosmonaut/etc jon langford did the illustrations (at the very least, i hope he was paid well). certainly, harrington's presentation seems as revisionist as jonboy's "great pop things" strip, though of course the latter is *deliberately* inaccurate. *sigh* dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:17:39 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: sonic uncool oh, hell -- of course i meant *pine* valley cosmonaut. *siiiiiiiiigh* >just submitted to amazon the following review, based largely on a quick >off-list e-mail to keith astbury, of joe s harrington's recently published >"sonic cool: the life & death of >rock'n'roll" -- > >anyone know where i can submit my resume for employment as a free-lance >editor of books that attempt to present any sort of cogent picture of punk? >judging from the back cover, harrington should know his stuff, as he's >supposedly written for the likes of seconds, reflex, raygun "and numerous >fanzines" i hope he's had good editors in those forums, as apparently was >*not* the case at hal leonard. > >while it's nice to see the likes of crass, the fall, the mekons, wire, naked >raygun, et al. mentioned in a book one can find on the shelves at a major >chain store, i'm starting to think that's about *all* this one has going for >it. >a few examples gleaned just from skimming the book, which arrived only >yesterday: > >* unless my memory is playing particularly perverse tricks on me, the >statement that jello biafra's mayoral campaign "was cut off when some >opposition thugs broke his knees" is completely wrong. that, or i'm >confusing such an incident with an an attack about a decade later that i >believe (a) resulted in one broken knee, not two, (b) was inflicted by >hardcore punk purists, & (c) had nothing to do with a mayoral run. > >* "the problem with all these bands (soft boys, echo & the bunnymen, teadrop >explodes & the psychedelic furs) was that their more melodic inclinations >tended to meld easily with the less-aggressive >pop-oriented new wave bands that were also pouring out of the uk at the >same: new order, soft cell, ph.d (who?), spandau ballet, human league, the >cure, a flock of seagulls, cabaret voltaire, the >smiths." geez, & here i thought cab voltaire, for one, had started making >noise (as opposed to proto-new wave) in the early '70s & sounded pretty >bloody aggressive &/or disorienting for at least a couple of albums). and >yeah, with 17 seconds & faith, the cure *definitely* was hard to distinguish >around 1980 from spandau ballet & afos (did they even exist then?). ... etc >etc etc. > >there's >more, but i'm giving myself a headache, particularly from the perspective of >a veteran newspaper editor originally trained to edit books. if i ever let >urban dance squad appear in print as "urban *death* squad, gilman street be >spelled "gillman," or "the crass" (don't think i've ever see them use the >direct article, & i'm a veteran of the whole early '80s circled-a scene that >they engendered) be lumped in with the exploited, anti-nowhere league & >skrewdriver as part of "the 'oi' spirit that led to a whole second wave of >brit-punk bands," i hope i lose another job. > >of course, those are errors of *fact* -- i'm not >overly impressed, either, with such judgments as "t. rex (aka marc bolan) >... without a >hint of musical knowledge, claiming to be the biggest thing in the world." >that complete lack of musical knowledge is no doubt why bolan was recruited >to play guitar with john's children years before glam began. > >maybe it's appropriate that mekon/waco brother/lone valley cosmonaut/etc jon >langford did the illustrations (at the very least, i hope he was paid well). >certainly, harrington's presentation seems as revisionist as jonboy's "great >pop things" strip, though of course the latter is *deliberately* inaccurate. >*sigh* > >dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:12:16 -0000 From: "david heale" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [Antonin Artaud] Artaud Evening in London//some theatre of absurd ok. ic'ers london contingent... if you fancy a bit of the "theatre of the absurd" Antonin Artaud's yer -man.... night night david in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike David To: antoninartaud@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: [Antonin Artaud] Artaud Evening in London Hello to any London-based Artaud devotees. John Calder (Beckett's publisher and friend)has a bookshop in The Cut, opposite the Young Vic Theatre, where, every Thursday, he holds readings/discussions of poetry, politics, philosophy, plays etc. & on the 27th of March the topic is Artaud: Man of the Theatre. The evenings are always part talk/reading, part open discussion and are generally very stimulating and unstuffy. I have a vested interest as I shall be reading from Artaud's works - I am an actor/writer & have been attending these sessions for nine months or so. Entry costs three quid and includes a glass or two of wine; all events start at 6.45 and last until 8 - 8.30. Tell your friends! Mike David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: antoninartaud-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:46:00 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: blue orchids & nico i'm enjoying ltm's 2 new blue orchids releases at least as much as i have the other 2 dozen or so cds i own on that label, but i'm wondering about the accuracy of james nice's assertion that the band's backings of nico in '81-'82 "never made it onto record, although there are several bootlegs in circulation." unfortunately, i didn't pick up the vinyl in question, but i would swear on my parents' graves that in the mid-'90s, in the used store 3 blocks from my house at the time, i came across a nico 12" on which the blue orchids were also cited. i can't remember any title(s), but the record certainly didn't strike me as anything but a legit release ... besides, just how likely is a 12" (as opposed to an lp) bootleg? not impossible, i'm sure, but still ... i think i'll pass this along to mr nice himself via his brilliant label's website, but in the meantime, listmembers should consider their brains picked. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:34:18 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: blue orchids & nico Dan, > >>i'm enjoying ltm's 2 new blue orchids releases at least as much as i have > the other 2 dozen or so cds i own on that label, but i'm wondering about > the > accuracy of james nice's assertion that the band's backings of nico in > '81-'82 "never made it onto record, although there are several bootlegs in > circulation." unfortunately, i didn't pick up the vinyl in question, but i > would swear on my parents' graves that in the mid-'90s, in the used store 3 > blocks from my house at the time, i came across a nico 12" on which the > blue > orchids were also cited. i can't remember any title(s), but the record > certainly didn't strike me as anything but a legit release ... besides, > just > how likely is a 12" (as opposed to an lp) bootleg? not impossible, i'm > sure, > but still ...<< I think there was an ROIR quasi-bootleg tape with some Nico/BO on it - not sure there was an "official" release.... You checked the credits on the live BOs stuff? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:56:30 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd:O.T: ATP LOS ANGELES GOES ON SALE In a message dated 3/5/03 5:42:05 PM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: >New acts are still being confirmed but the line up features the following >acts: > >And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The Dead............. >Bangs >Black Heart Procession >Blonde Redhead >Boredoms >Breeders >Coldcut >Daniel Johnston >Danielson Famile >Liarbird >Le Tigre >Melt Banana >Mogwai >Neko Case >The Fall >The Magic Band >The Melvins w/ Cameron Jamie >Wire >Yo La Tengo > > >Watch this space for more additions............. yeah, like some bands whose names begin with o,p,q,r,s,t,u, or v...not that i live within even 1000 miles of los angeles...or california for that matter. oh well, great line up though. my goal is to get to more than 1 or 2 cmj shows this year. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:09:11 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: blue orchids & nico ah ... if i strain my aging eyes & squint, i can see what you're talking about, mr executive producer. as for the nico/blue orchids, it was definitely vinyl, almost certainly a 12" single or ep, & nothing to do with roir (not that i can remember anybloodything else about it). jesus, what if i passed up a one-of-a-kind test-pressing that never otherwise came out, or something? the very idea ... dan >Dan, > >> >>i'm enjoying ltm's 2 new blue orchids releases at least as much as i have >> the other 2 dozen or so cds i own on that label, but i'm wondering about >> the >> accuracy of james nice's assertion that the band's backings of nico in >> '81-'82 "never made it onto record, although there are several bootlegs in >> circulation." unfortunately, i didn't pick up the vinyl in question, but i >> would swear on my parents' graves that in the mid-'90s, in the used store 3 >> blocks from my house at the time, i came across a nico 12" on which the >> blue >> orchids were also cited. i can't remember any title(s), but the record >> certainly didn't strike me as anything but a legit release ... besides, >> just >> how likely is a 12" (as opposed to an lp) bootleg? not impossible, i'm >> sure, >> but still ...<< > >I think there was an ROIR quasi-bootleg tape with some Nico/BO on it - not >sure there was an "official" release.... > >You checked the credits on the live BOs stuff? > >Mark ;-) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #65 ******************************