From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #49 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 06 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Off topic - The Work ["Kevin Trowel" ] [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD ["J" ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD [Andrew Westmeyer ] [idealcopy] pretty much OT-Re: AB-CD New Music Update 5 [Eardrumbuz@aol.c] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:18:46 -0000 From: "Kevin Trowel" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off topic - The Work Well, I think describing them as a "thinking man's Crass" is probably a bit dismissive. It's former Henry Cow keyboardist Tim Hodgkinson's quasi-postpunk group, after all, so they were definitely not hopping on any kind of anti-capitalist, circle-a bandwagon! And whereas early Crass is good (for me at least) because they were actually amateurs, The Work is great because they merely *wished* they were amateurs. It's an interesting case of seasoned musicians taking a stab at the DIY ethic, I think, and on several of their records it really pays off. I think Slow Crimes is great, but still not as good as their amazing "I Hate America" 7" (their second 7") - when it comes to jagged, piercing, and discordant virulence, I think it is almost unequalled. That track makes some of the most agitated Pop Group songs sound like Barry Manilow! If anyone is interested in checking it out, it is archived on the WFMU radio show linked below. I'm pretty sure this is the Slow Crimes LP version, and not the 7" version (my records are several thousand miles away, so I can't verify that), but you'll get the general idea. The 7" version just has a bit less of the long, noisy outtro. It begins 22:31 into the show: http://www.wfmu.org/Playlists/Douglas/dw.001214.html Thanks for the info on the compilation track, Mark! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off topic - The Work > must definitely play my copy of the lp, then -- sounds right up my alley. > > dan, waiting with bated breath for the lack of knowledge retrospective cd to > arrive in the post > > > >The Work also have a track on Morgan Fisher's "Miniatures" compilation, > >entitled "With Wings Pressed Back". I think "Miniatures" is still > available. > >On the strength of this I bought "Slow Crimes", but it didn't do a lot for > >me. If memory serves (and it is a long time since I've played it) it was a > >hectoring diatribe against the evils of capitalism, a sort of thinking > man's > >Crass. > > > >Mark S > > > >> And lastly if > >> anyone could verify this Work discography, I'd appreciate it! Thanks for > >> any help, and sorry to stray so far from the topic... > >> > >> THE WORK - I Do-I Do-I Don't-I Don't 7",1980, Woof Records/Recommended > >> Records France, Woof001/RRF 002/7 > >> THE WORK - I Hate America 7" 1981, Woof Records, Woof 002 > >> THE WORK - Slow Crimes LP 1982, Woof Records, Woof 003 > >> THE WORK - The Worst of Everywhere Cassette, 1982(?), Woof Records, Woof > >005 > >> THE WORK - Live In Japan LP, 1982, Woof Records, Woof??? > >> THE WORK - Rubber Cage LP, 1989, Woof Records, Woof 012 > >> THE WORK - See CD, 1992, Woof Records, Woof 015 > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:20:43 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glastonbury rumour On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 07:28:15PM -0000, Andrew Lumbard wrote: > Can anyone confirm what someone told me this morning? > Wire are pencilled in for Glastonbury this year if it goes ahead. > > AndyL If anyone gets an official (or 'official') go/no-go on this, please tell me. I'd like to go to a festival at some point, and with the rest of the rumoured bill for this year, this would push me over the edge. (For what it's worth, rumours are that the three nights' Main Stagers are REM on Friday, Radiohead on Saturday, and the Rolling Stones on Sunday: now, none are exactly cutting-edge or whatever, but I figure that you could get a lot worse as far as megabands go - the real action would be on the minor stages, anyway, and some of the bands I'm into at the moment would almost certainly wind up playing just by the laws of statistics :) ) I've been mostly listening to the Liars, Ikara Colt, McLusky, Radio 4, the one available Projekt A-Ko track, Electrelane, the Free French, Wire, MBV (particularly Isn't Anything), gybe!, and various stuff on Kabuki Kore recently: nothing earth-shattering there, and I'm currently listening to the Delgados - "Domestiques". I'm never going to be one of the cool kids who hear things first. :) - - Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - 1350MW, Cambridgeshire | archives, playlists etc @ RealAudio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ | http://www.lexical.org.uk/radio/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:37:36 +1100 From: "Alex Wise" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another "The Last Word" Kiddypops is on every mailing list and in lots of people. The Killing Joke mailing list The Gathering is practically an army of Kiddypops. Enjoy listening to Billy Joel kiddy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hick" To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Another "The Last Word" > Rejoinder, rejoinder > Lets have no no more of it > > Below, its below... > > A Terminal Hypocrite wrote > > This is the last message I will ever write to Bill Hick on-list. > > > Good news for once! > But I hope he doesn't make the mistake of thinking I can be bothered to > carry on this > bullshit off list. I mean I hardly relish the prospect of reading more of > his relentless slander. > > > I aplogise for clogging up IC with such crap. > > > > If he was really sorry he wouldn't have posted more of the same ol' shit! > > > This then, is the "last" word: > > > No, this is! > > > Dear Mr Hick: > > > I am not dear to him, that is clear! > > > You are the one who fills this list with "idle bitching" more than anyone. > > How can we quantify > "idle bitching"? > > I usually take issue with people who have the right to reply. > Funny how upsetting some of them find it. > Imagine what life would be like for Courtney & Michael if they had to reply > to all who slandered them! The lawyers love it! > > I might have 'overstepped the mark' on a few occasions, but I don't think > I've ever gone as far as accusing anyone of being an accessory to murder. > However, if some further clues to Kurt Cobain's suicide have recently > surfaced in Wales, perhaps I'm in the dark... > > > One tiny post from me seems to elicit a tirade of endless, moronic, > pompous > > bile-speak. > > One stream of pompous moronic bile speak begat another... but at least it > seems this one is not endless! > > It would've been hard to parody a pompous ass like kiddypops without writing > something that seemed equally pompous! > > A word to those who are too dense to have noticed: > > I tend to treat everyone on IC with a similar level of > respect with which they treat me and other people. So if you can't deal with > slander, don't dish it out. > > >A mere mention of carrier bags and fanzine-writers and you > > unleash a river of bad-spunk like Rik from The Young Ones on speed. > > > > The phrase 'bad spunk' seems more redolent of the Young Ones character he > mentions than anything I wrote, but its a long time since I watched clowns > on TV! > > See he's never used this old boring and inaccurate comparison before has > he? > If the boring twerp could get a new shtick I wouldn't have to make the same > ol' reply I made last time he said this about how it wasn't really much of > an insult to compare someone to a comic genius. > > Since I was parodying him, I guess we can assume that Rick Mayall has been > an influence on Kids Undetectable. > > > You complain about off-topic posts, you call me a Bore, Kiddypops, Chubby > > Grotes (?) and other 'hilarious' nicknames. > > Don't make the mistake of thinking I actually care about this shit! > > The reason I continually take issue with this jerk is that he continually > slanders me, so I respond in kind. > > > And yet you seem to find my posts so fascinating that you dissect every > > last sentence and seem to recall shit that I posted to this list months > ago. > > He really shouldn't Kid himself , I just refute his slanderous bullshit > which he > hurls about like a little p(r)ig in shit. > > This hypocrite would never lower himself to bringing up things someone else > did years ago - hence the recent recycled carrier bag issues, refering, I > think, to his observation that I put some fanzines in a carrier bag at some > gig he saw me at. > > Kiddypops has continually made up lies and slander about me, slagged off > just about everyone who's done anything interesting on the Manchester > underground music > scene because a few promoters have been unsympathetic to his mediocre band, > slagged Jon Whitney for rejecting some half assed Autechre review he > submitted to The Brain when Jon has done so much unpaid work to help the > artists he likes. > > It really isn't much of an insult to be called 'childish' by such an > immature attention seeking sulky prima donna. > > > Do you keep all my old e-mails in a special journal?! > > > > No > My memory functions adequately however > > > I find it hilarious that you attack me for such heinous crimes as Watching > > Television, Wearing a Suit, Having a Job and Going to a Supermarket. > > Attack? > Take the piss more like. > > He's the relentless bore who keeps on raking over such tedious old ground. > It amazes me he keeps on about these tedious aspects of his mundane > existance. > > > > If this was a fucking Ozric Tentacles list or a Levellers list I could > > understand it. But I never saw being into Wire as some kind of alternative > > lifestyle choice. It isn't. > > > > What does he mean by an 'alternative lifestyle choice'? > > Alternative to what? > > Will the mainstream soon be wearing tubes on heads and making bread > sculpture? Maybe they'll soon use these spectacles as ploys to attempt to > get us to buy more things we don't want or need? > > > There is also not an approved list of bands to go with liking Wire...hence > > the many musical differences on this list, and within the band itself. > > Well now, isn't this interesting (yawn) > > > Never forget there are as many fans of Kylie on this list as there are > fans > > of King Crimson. > > And probably even more who don't like either? > > It'll probably interest no one that I have tapes of King Crimson and at > least one song that Kylie sings on in my flat. Believe it or not, it seems > to me that there might be more interesting and relevant topics for > discussion on a WIRE list. > > >Thats why its such a great list. It speaks volumes about > > Wire. It speaks volumes about you that you seem unable to comprehend this. > > > It squeaks more about this peabrain earwig that he patronises me with such a > pompous, tedious, > pointless, sanctimonious > lecture. > > > I actually find it quite amusing that you find me so fascinating that you > > feel the need to lambast my every post in front of OUR friends on this > list. > > I don't find him fascinating. > Its more that I find him ridiculous. > > I was beginning to wonder if he was some kind of masochist, however. > > Some people on IC are friends of mine, but most are people I've never met. > > > I know it pisses off other listees that we have had this endless, > pointless > > insult-trading thing going on for ages. > > Which the disengenuous Kiddypops started up again, as usual. > > But of course he tries to blame me for replying. > > >So, for them...It stops here: > > > How very considerate of him! > > > Its time you grew up KiddyGraemePops. > > > Hypocrite > > I'm sure to take his advice, after all I have so much respect for him! > > > You write some wonderful stuff and you could be a brilliant music > journalist > > if only you weren't such a Fucking Twat. > > > > Better a Fucking Twat than a Bleedin' Arsehole... > > Who says I want to be a music journalist? > > > > Don't bother flaming me on list anymore.....you'll just be pissing into > > cyberspace. > > > I'll bet a whole heap of track6 off > Power, Corruption & Lies > that the > hypocrite reads this on the smoe archive... > > > > From now on Graeme Rowland...if you have something to say about ME..you > can > > say it to my face. > > Feel free to call into my office anytime you like (If you can get past > > security!) > > > > I'm sure it'll take all my reserves of cunning and guile to sneak past some > fat old underpaid balding bore who'd rather be reading a porno mag than > watching his riveting CCTV, but why would I want to see Kiddypops nauseating > countenance? > > I'm sure I won't have to get past security next time I see his ugly face > crumpling up in disgust at some rock band he hates. > > He'll love this band Oxbow when they tour. > Just as long as he stands at the front and gives the singer the finger... > > Pistols or Knives? > > Blood at the Barbican? > > or is that a > > Line in the Sand? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > NP Matmos - A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:14:35 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission Of Burma @ Echo Lounge, Atlanta, GA normally, i'd overcome my inherent inertia & do a bit of web-searching to find out the info, but in a minute i've got to walk the dog, shower & run over to my girlfriend's to wait for the bellsouth guy to restore a dead phone jack so she can get dsl -- heros severum & martyr & pistol? dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:45:08 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bad Houses (was Another "The Last Word") Dear Alex > Kiddypops is on every mailing list and in lots of people. I imagine that there are many ICers, ( like myself), for whom the question, "Does he go both ways, and how young are they, anyway?" is of paramount importance! >The Killing Joke mailing list The Gathering is practically an army of Kiddypops. Do you have a website? Failing that, I should be most grateful if you could send a link where likeminded may buy videos/ DVD's, or similar. Please share the fruits of your astute intelligence work. in what is, presumeably, a largely thankless task. Your Fan Glenn. Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:56:12 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bad Houses (was Another "The Last Word") hmm ... has this any relevance to the briefs' "gary glitter's eyes" single? dan >Dear Alex > > >> Kiddypops is on every mailing list and in lots of people. > >I imagine that there are many ICers, ( like myself), for whom the question, >"Does he go both ways, and how young are they, anyway?" is of paramount >importance! > > >The Killing Joke mailing list The Gathering is practically an army of >Kiddypops. > >Do you have a website? Failing that, I should be most grateful if you could >send a link where likeminded may buy videos/ DVD's, or similar. > >Please share the fruits of your astute intelligence work. in what is, >presumeably, a largely thankless task. > >Your Fan >Glenn. > > >Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] what on earth is a ...... .......Kiddypop? ignorant Ari Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:27:25 -0000 From: "J" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD Since Andrew Westerberg stopped his WIRE PAGE Is there anyone out there in IDEAL COPY Who do a trade of shows? Off list might me appropiate! J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:55:48 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD >Since Andrew Westerberg stopped his WIRE PAGE Is there anyone out there in >IDEAL COPY Who do a trade of shows? >Off list might me appropiate! > Andrew Westmeyer's Wire Page is still here: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/ However - it's more of an massive archive of all things Wire than a trading page. (^_^) Don't forget these other great pages! http://www.pinkflag.com http://www.posteverything.com are right from Wire, and, last but certainly not least, http://www.wireviews.com has lots of info and news as well. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE CD Paul is correct about the Wire Page being only an archive. It hasn't been updated since Wire reformed. Also, I am no longer at CMU (as of last May!), so the web page will be shut down when the school finally realizes that I graduated! Could be tomorrow, could be never... :-) Everything from the Wire Page has been transferred to Craig's excellent Wireviews page. Check there for the latest scoop. Andrew - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >Since Andrew Westerberg stopped his WIRE PAGE Is there anyone out > there in > >IDEAL COPY Who do a trade of shows? > >Off list might me appropiate! > > > > Andrew Westmeyer's Wire Page is still here: > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/ > > However - it's more of an massive archive of all things Wire than a > trading page. (^_^) > > Don't forget these other great pages! > > http://www.pinkflag.com > > http://www.posteverything.com > > are right from Wire, and, last but certainly not least, > > http://www.wireviews.com > > has lots of info and news as well. > > Cheers, > Paul Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:56:14 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] pretty much OT-Re: AB-CD New Music Update 5 calexico may be of some interest to some of my fellow copyists, but i especially thought this new release would bring a smile. of course i have no idea if there's any WIREness to it musically at all. as much as i like what i've heard by calexico, wire is not a band i think of when i listen to them. - -another the paul > >>CALEXICO - Feast Of Wire >> >>... Calexico return with their most accomplished album to date, an >> >>ambitious and vibrant clash of musical styles that is as >> >>unforgettable as it is innovative ... $13.47 >> >>http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/QS78.2 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #49 ******************************