From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #27 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Mission Of Burma @ Echo Lounge, Atlanta, GA ["Eric Klav] [idealcopy] radio 6 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Safe (Not Enough) ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] R&B 027 ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Punish Meant? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] & will either disc include mr marx' table? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] good cod....... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] recording music streams ["John Paul Goddard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mission Of Burma @ Echo Lounge, Atlanta, GA Jason Rogers: If any of you plan to attend this show, let me know and maybe we can meet up beforehand for barbeque or something. //////////////// Luxury! It's -15C with wind chill here. I just may show up ;-) Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:03:54 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] radio 6 the wire performance on "dream ticket" has been re-scheduled for this thursday night (30th). the bill features (in ascending order) sheryl crow , wire , xtc , soul 2 soul and hawkwind. if this is the same format as last time it means a full hour of the 'wind and very little of the other acts (2 or 3 songs max). still , nice digital quality and not to be sneezed at. (NB make sure you don't set your video one day too late or you'll get hootie & the bowlfish). p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:57:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 > the wire performance on "dream ticket" has been re-scheduled for this thursday night (30th). the bill features (in ascending order) sheryl crow , wire , xtc , soul 2 soul and hawkwind. if this is the same format as last time it means a full hour of the 'wind and very little of the other acts or worse still, an hour of Sheryl. If Steve McQueen ever hears that song about him, he'll fall off his great big motorbike in the sky. > make sure you don't set your video one day too late or you'll get hootie & the bowlfish). Bowlfish! Nice!!! Keith NP 'T.Rex' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 is this streamed perchance? - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > the wire performance on "dream ticket" has been > re-scheduled for this thursday night (30th). the > bill features (in ascending order) sheryl crow , > wire , xtc , soul 2 soul and hawkwind. if this is > the same format as last time it means a full hour of > the 'wind and very little of the other acts (2 or 3 > songs max). still , nice digital quality and not to > be sneezed at. (NB make sure you don't set your > video one day too late or you'll get hootie & the > bowlfish). p Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:35:12 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radio 6 
its streamed i think , and also archived for a week or so. go into bbc.co.uk 
and search for radio 6 then look for "dream ticket" . p

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:15:00 -0000
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] Safe (Not Enough)

>>>besides, for some reason i've been in a '60s garage mood lately, listening
to the 4 nuggets II discs repeatedly & then small faces & creation (their
cover of like a rolling stone just concluded) retrospectives. graeme
undoubtedly wouldn't approve, but he's safely across the ocean ...

It is quite touching to know people all over the world are so bored they are
sending each other messages trying to guess whether I would or wouldn't like a
record or three...

But how do you know whether I'm safe?

Dangerous!
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NP People Like Us in session for Peel

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:15:41 -0000
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] R&B 027

>>>second, this may've been asked & answered here before, but if so i missed
it -- how does this relate to the (perceived?) plans for r&b's 3 & 4, or
does send supplant them?

No, send seems to be a summation of where WIRE are at NOW after pursuing a C21
compupunk onslaught across more than one continent and also much attention has
been taken to make it flow as an album.

The R&B EPs are short 'close to creation cycle' releases primarily aimed at
the hardcore WIRE fans who want to hear it ALL as soon as they can... you know
the sort, post 20 page Factory reissue Doorsinger eulogies to IC now & then!

I'd guess that send will be a consolidation of apokalypso-digipunk mayhem, and
that R&B03 as and when it emerges will move further away from that... but of
course everything could change
YOU NEVER KNOW

Clearly Mr Gilbert is AMBITIOUS as he says there will be 27 Read & Burns.

I suspect by the time they reach no27, he might let the colour white
predominate.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:16:43 -0000
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] Punish Meant?

>>>just to punish myself, i'll make
> myself listen to the nocturnal emissions cd i picked up used last night.


BUT
what has it been used
FOR...?

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:17:28 -0000
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] & will either disc include mr marx' table?

YES

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:40:29 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Good God

> Anyone seen the Brazilian film, 'City Of God '? I'd highly recommend it.
> Words like 'tour de force' get bandied about all too easily, but in this
> instance it really applies.

This sounds great.

I see so few films that I like nowadays, that I thought I'd just mention
that I just got back from seeing About Schmitd. Obviously this'll be pretty
much old hat for the US listee's, but it's only recently come out over here.
If you like well-scripted movies with decent dialogue and great performances
then give it a go. (Much has been made of Jack Nicholsons downbeat
performance, but for good or for bad, there are still some 'Jack' moments.
And there's a slight hint of the Coen Bros at times too). Excellent film.

Keith

NP V/A - The Blue Room

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:13:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Ari Britt 
Subject: [idealcopy] good cod.......

Just sat throught he worste movie I have seen for a long long time........'signs'........what a total waste of time.....or did i blink?Ari
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:33:19 -0000
From: "John Paul Goddard" 
Subject: [idealcopy] recording music streams

someone give us the full sp ?

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:44:00 -0800
From: Paul Pietromonaco 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recording music streams

>someone give us the full sp ?

Okay, sure. 

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Recording Music Streams
A Primer by Paul A. Pietromonaco.

Copyright (c) 2003 by Paul A. Pietromonaco

Notice:  No portion of this primer may be reproduced without the
written permission of the author and at least 5 members of IdealCopy. 

This primer has not been thoroughly tested under all conditions. The
Author, therefore, does not warrant or guarantee its reliability,
serviceablity, or function, but provides it to you "AS IS."  ALL
IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED 
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR 
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- -----------------
Table of Contents
- -----------------

Chapter 1:  Recording RealAudio music streams
Appendix:  Windows Media streams

- ---------------------------------------------
Chapter 1:  Recording RealAudio music streams
- ---------------------------------------------

In general, you can't.  

More specifically, direct stream ripping is impossible unless either a)
 the provider lets you, or b) you use an illegal program called a
"stream ripper".  

Since I have a few friends who work for RealNetworks, I have never
investigated the latter option, but I've been told they work quite
well.  And, you have to have RealPlayerPlus (i.e. the one that costs
money) to utilize the former.  

Either way, both of these methods output a RealAudio file (.rm), which
makes editing difficult, unless you have a copy of RealProducer.  This
leads us to the second solution.

Namely, you can always record the output of your soundcard, either
by analog or (if you have S/PDIF output and/or a soundcard that
supports digital loopback) by digital means.  In fact, in the early
days, I hooked two computers up by their soundcards to record streams.
The advantage to this is that you'll eventually end up with a file in
the ever popular .WAV format, which can be edited quite nicely, and
used to make CDs, etc.  However, this does take a small amount of
effort, skill with your soundcard's mixer and a large amount of disc
space to do correctly.  And that's way beyond the scope of this small
primer.  I'll leave the logistics of this as an exercise for the
reader.
- --------------------------------
Appendix:  Windows Media streams
- --------------------------------

Capturing Windows Media streams is very similar.  Again, the streams
can not be downloaded directly.  However there are rippers available
for that format too, though I wouldn't know anything about them.
(^_^).  Output format is called .WMA and is not editable directly.  The
comments about recording the output of your soundcard apply here as
well.

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Does this help any? (^_^)

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:43:39 -0800 (PST)
From: rayographique 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recording music streams

- --- Paul Pietromonaco  wrote:...

> In general, you can't.  
... 
> More specifically, direct stream ripping is
> impossible unless either a)
>  the provider lets you, or b) you use an illegal
> program called a
> "stream ripper".  
...
illegal?
immoral?
fattening?
i don't know, but there's a nice plugin for winamp for
streaming mp3
as to .ra - g00gle might be your friend
i found http://ra2wav.hypermart.net/
cannot recommend firsthand it as being effective or
safe 
^)^
> Since I have a few friends who work for
> RealNetworks, I have never
> investigated the latter option, but I've been told
> they work quite
> well.  And, you have to have RealPlayerPlus (i.e.
> the one that costs
> money) to utilize the former.  
> 
> Either way, both of these methods output a RealAudio
> file (.rm), which
> makes editing difficult, unless you have a copy of
> RealProducer.  This
> leads us to the second solution.
> 
> Namely, you can always record the output of your
> soundcard, either
> by analog or (if you have S/PDIF output and/or a
> soundcard that
> supports digital loopback) by digital means.  In
> fact, in the early
> days, I hooked two computers up by their soundcards
> to record streams.
> The advantage to this is that you'll eventually end
> up with a file in
> the ever popular .WAV format, which can be edited
> quite nicely, and
> used to make CDs, etc.  However, this does take a
> small amount of
> effort, skill with your soundcard's mixer and a
> large amount of disc
> space to do correctly.  And that's way beyond the
> scope of this small
> primer.  I'll leave the logistics of this as an
> exercise for the
> reader.
> --------------------------------
> Appendix:  Windows Media streams
> --------------------------------
> 
> Capturing Windows Media streams is very similar. 
> Again, the streams
> can not be downloaded directly.  However there are
> rippers available
> for that format too, though I wouldn't know anything
> about them.
> (^_^).  Output format is called .WMA and is not
> editable directly.  The
> comments about recording the output of your
> soundcard apply here as
> well.
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 
> Does this help any? (^_^)
> 
> Cheers,
> Paul
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:47:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Santa Cruzer 
Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: major record labels paying you $20 each

Just got this sent to me online. It's  almost too
weird to not be real!!

Check it out!

> Hello wonderful fans!
> 
> I just got word from Derek Sivers over at CDBaby,
> that the music companies
> owe us some money if we go over and claim it.  I
> just thought you might be
> interested.  Think of what new cd you could buy with
> your $20...  Heck, you
> could even pre-order The Mule with it!  Isn't Derek
> just the coolest?  Go
> and visit CDbaby.com after you claim your $20.  I
> just claimed mine...
> 
> peace people,
> kristi
> 
> ---
> Have you collected your $20 payment from the major
> record labels &
> retailers yet?
> 
> They're forced to give $44 million back to
> consumers, but since most
> people don't know about it yet, it's going mostly
> unclaimed.
> 
> Read this article from the AP newswire:
> http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,57111,00.html
> 
> Then CLICK THIS LINK to file your claim:
> http://www.musiccdsettlement.com
> 
> Cool, huh?
> 
> It seems only fair that musicians [and their fans,
> says kristi!] should get
> as much of this $44
> million as possible!  There's some kind of poetic
> justice here.
> 
> Forward this to your email list, band-mates, music
> fans, and any
> other musicians you know.
> 
> 
> --
> Derek Sivers, CD Baby, Hostbaby
> http://cdbaby.com  <-- best new independent music
> http://hostbaby.com  <-- web hosting for musicians
> 
> Kristi Martel, alt-soul piano diva
> Sealed Lip Records
> "...incomparable." - Utah Phillips
> 
> --
> THIS LIST
> 
> You are most likely on this list because you signed
> up at one of Kristi
> Martel's performances to be put on this list, or you
> are on a list which is
> for these types of announcements.  If the latter is
> true the only way off
> this list is off that list.  If the former is true
> write to
> sheryl@kmetal.net to get off this list.
> 
> My apologies if you received this email in error!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -km & the Sealed Lip Music crew
> http://www.kmetal.net   (visit for full updated
> concert schedule)
> 
> Hear and buy cd's: http://www.cdbaby.com/kmartel2
> 
> Sign onto the the NEW Sealed Lip discussion group:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KristiMartel/
> 
> 


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