From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #23 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism [rayographique ] Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Smiths [Michael Flaherty ] Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Be wewwy wewwy kwiet, we'we hunting ... snails [rayographique] Re: [idealcopy] Send/flag:burning ["Ian B" ] Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Ten Years After An Ideal Copy ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Be wewwy wewwy kwiet, we'we hunting ... snails [Eardrumbu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism Properly speaking, the second Fred is likely the one you think first, Fred Smith of Television, the first Fred being Fred Smith (deceased) of the MC5 and Patti's husband. As to forgetting Kendra, she evidently has quite forgotten us. One of the 5 ways was very effective. - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/03 9:39:39 PM, > MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > >Kendra, Fred and, er, Fred > > of course. i feel guilty forgetting kendra. who's > the second fred? -paul > c.d. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Piano Music (OT) > ... A point of reference would be Mark Springer's > solo albums... Anyone care to offer an opinion on Mr Springer's postPop work? I remember quite liking the first one with the white cover some many years ago, and am considering ordering a few others from Amazon.co.uk Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:34:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism Dan, > >>fred "sonic" smith was in the mc5 & subsequently led sonic's rendevous > band. > fred "mr patti" smith played bass in television & later married > you-know-who, dying about 10 years ago. i *think* i've got that right, > anyhow.<< Patti was married to Sonic, who died in 1994. Television Fred is alive and well, and looked in good shape at the Television QEH gig last summer... Definite demotion to bronze anorak for that one, Dan ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:00:55 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Smiths >fred "sonic" smith was in the mc5 & subsequently led sonic's rendevous band. >fred "mr patti" smith played bass in television & later married >you-know-who, dying about 10 years ago. i *think* i've got that right, >anyhow. > >dan Sorry if someone's done this (i'm on the digest): Patti married Fred "Sonic" Smith, who has indeed passed on. Television's Smith is alive and well (played here in '01 in a Television reunion) and was never married to Patti. None have anything to do w/ the Smiths (nor does Debbie Harry). Michael Flaherty Personal request: Please avoid sending multiple past messages when only responding to one message. It clutters up the list. I know Miles agrees w/ this, and in fact has made the same request several times. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:34:25 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism right you (& others) are, & wrong i was. just to punish myself, i'll make myself listen to the nocturnal emissions cd i picked up used last night. dan >Properly speaking, the second Fred is likely the one >you think first, Fred Smith of Television, the first >Fred being Fred Smith (deceased) of the MC5 and >Patti's husband. >As to forgetting Kendra, she evidently has quite >forgotten us. One of the 5 ways was very effective. > > >--- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 1/23/03 9:39:39 PM, >> MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> >> >Kendra, Fred and, er, Fred >> >> of course. i feel guilty forgetting kendra. who's >> the second fred? -paul >> c.d. >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:14:41 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism In a message dated 1/24/03 11:38:08 AM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > right you (& others) are, & wrong i was. just to punish myself, i'll make > myself listen to the nocturnal emissions cd i picked up used last night. > > dan > > ..and that's punishment? that falls under the category of: "don't threaten > me with a good time" which Nocturnal Emissions did you pick up? www.soleilmoon.com has several Nocturnal Emissions cds on sale for $ 5 a piece... Glossalia and The World is My Womb are two of my favorites...droney ambient soundscapes that are somewhat in the realm of certain Coil and Nurse With Wound releases.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:31:14 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] red sun records never connected "The Light Pours Out Of Me" and "Are You Ready?" myself... > RED SUN RECORDS - TOP 10 > > 01. Adrian Borland - Harmony & Destruction > 02. Sad Lovers & Giants - Melting In The Fullness Of Time > 03. Chameleons - This Never Ending Now > 04. Opposition, The - Breaking The Silence > 05. Spasmodique - From Villa Delirium > 06. The Sound - From The Lions Mouth > 07. Adrian Borland - Book Of Happy Memories > 08. Sad Lovers & Giants - Headland/Treehouse Poetry > 09. Adrian Borland - Last Days Of The Rain Machine > 10. Church - Parallel Universe > > > New albums added to our catalogue > ================================= > > - Strangelove - Love & Other Demons - CD > This was the second album from the now defunct Strangelove. Tragically overlooked and never able to gain the respect of the music press, Strangelove disintegrated after three stunning albums. 'Love and Other Demons' shows them at their musical and lyrical peak. Album highlights are 'Sway', a lilting ballad on alcohol addiction, the monumental 'Sea of Black' and the gorgeous 'She's Everywhere', a poignant account of the breakdown of a relationship. The latter also features vocal contributions from Brett Anderson (Suede) on 'Living with the Human Machines' but not even this patronage could save Strangelove in the end. Despite their lack of critical success, their legacy lives on in their influence on other groups. Radiohead once described themselves as a 'post-Strangelove band'. > > - Poor Rich Ones - Happy Happy Happy - CD > Poor Rich Ones mine some rich pastures on this album. Their sound seems to exist at the convergence of Kent, Radiohead and My Bloody Valentine. The songs, for the most part, are darkly exuberant flirtations aided by a small dose of icy, quasi-Chamber Pop ethics. "Twins" and "Drown" exist in a pristine vacuum with wall of sound washes layered upon each other. William Marhaug's vocals recall the work of Placebo's Brian Moloko, with the range and emotion of Thom Yorke thrown in for good measure. Because Poor Rich Ones are from Norway, Happy Happy Happy can be seen as furthering the Scandanavian mastery of atmospherics found in the music of Kent and (of course) Sigur Ros. "New Lullaby" is a carnival of introspection, as violins compete with electronics and brittle vocals for the crown of prettiest element in a Song. "Clumsy" sounds like so many of the other bands mentioned here, but like many of the songs, it takes off on new tangents; for one thing, the keyboards which echo "St! > rawberry Fields Forever" are a genius touch. If nothing else is said about this immensely enjoyable song, Poor Rich Ones can be thanked for suggesting such a collaboration. There are so many shiny edges to grasp, and the entire album rings with a clarity of vision and delicate opulence. This album proofs that there's something magical afoot in Scandanavia. > > - Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase Plus - CD > 70 minute digital remastered CD of this classic 1982 studio album by the cult Manchester band, originally released on Factory Benelux Records. Rightly regarded as one of the brightest jewels in the Factory crown. Three bonus tracks comprise "The Presence", "Concorde Square" and "Sexus", all being the full-length maxi single versions. Artwork remodelled by Julien Potter. The enhanced reissue of their only studio album for Factory Benelux, 1982's The Plateau Phase, reveals a curious, questing, depressed collective powered by relentless bass and drums and thin, jarring guitars, variously echoing Magazine's "The Light Pours Out Of Me" on "Are You Ready?" and establishing a dark-funk template of sorts on the terrific "Bardo Plane". 17 years on TPP sounds like what it probably always was: urgent, postmodernist psychedaelia with less debt to Joy Division's music than to the universal abstract existential tension that comes with being young. An enthralling enough glimpse at a moment! > in musical history when the DIY ethos of punk gradually gave way to experiments with electronics and song structures. Crispy Ambulance mixes driving rock, gritty new wave and odd atmospheric stuff. > > - Stockholm Monsters - All At Once (Singles 1981-1987) CD > Compact remastered collection of all the Stockholm Monsters' single sides for Factory, Factory Benelux and MASO. Full sleevenotes, and adaptation of Trevor Johnson artwork for Fac 107 single sleeve. All At Once benefits no end from the trumpet blasts and shows the Monsters had happily mastered the pop hook despite the misplaced 'dour' Factory tag. "How Corrupt Is Rough Trade?" is quite phenomenal, while the ep from 1987 features some of their best material, tunes like "Militia" and the excellent "Partyline" brim with danceability and attitude. The Stockholm Monsters made some amazing singles - a noise every bit as unhinged yet controlled as the Happy Mondays, held together by the sinewy muscles of the dispossessed. Sometimes clumsy in their rush to a song's end, Stockholm Monsters at the very minimum had developed the speed to avoid the world's weight crushing them. The fairytale keyboards are offset by the severe vocal delivery, the excellent surging drums and the spasmodic! > trumpet blasts and there is an honesty reflected in the lyrics that is endearing and illuminating. The Stockholm Monsters were dismissed at the time as the runt of the Factory litter. This singles collection isn't bad at all though, revealing the band to a much more promising act than earlier documentation would claim. Any music lover who wants to experience the magic and depth of Factory Records in the 1980s would do well to add All At Once to their collection. > > - Section 25 - From The Hip - CD > All eight tracks from the original Factory album plus both 12" remixes of "Looking From a Hilltop", unreleased 12" versions of the "Back to Wonder/Beating Heart" single, and two versions of the 1985 electro update of "Dirty Disco". Over 70 minutes of digitally remastered music with full sleevenotes and original Peter Saville artwork. "From The Hip" was the penultimate album from Blackpools contribution to the Factory records legend. Following their first two albums of nouveau psychedelia in the early 80s Section 25 re-emerged in 1984, no doubt encouraged by New Order, as a 'spiked synthetic dancefloor friendly pop init of considerable merit'. This digitally remastered 15 track CD includes the full Bernard Sumner (New Order) produced album set plus related singles, remixes and previously unrleased cuts. Also included are the Sumner and Donald Johnson (A Certian Ratio) remixes of their UK and US club hit "Looking From A Hilltop". > > - Department S - Sub-Stance - CD > Formed from the ashes of London's Guns For Hire, Department S released three brilliant singles in 1980/81, including "Going Left Right", "I Want" and the excellent "Is Vic There?", the latter reaching number 22 on the national singles chart in April 1981 and earning the band three appearances on Top of the Pops and a Smash Hits cover. Despite this success, and many high-profile live dates, their eclectic debut album Sub-Stance (produced by Parallel Lines engineer David Tickle) undeservedly remained on the shelf. Department S were perhaps not world-beaters, but they had immense potential, which sadly, they were never really given the chance to fulfill. Still, you'll probably agree that theirs was a fairly interesting little adventure. Department S produced a solid body of work, and deserve far better than to be remembered one-hit wonders with a novelty single. "Going Left Right" and "I Want" were better records than the hit, and if the unreleased album was a little uneven, th! > en there are still more than enough quality songs in their cannon - "Clap Now", "She's Expecting You", "Romany Blood" - to convince. And listening to the five live tracks on this CD from their major club tour in December 1981, it's clear that Department S had become an awesome proposition live. This 72 minute CD is the digitally remastered definitive Department S collection. > > - Ernst Langhout - Eye Of The Cyclone - CD > Ernst Langhout grew up in the quiet and vastness of the Frisian countryside. He never wanted to get used to the turmoil of the city and its modern-life neuroses he often deals with in his lyrics. After gaining experience in the folkgroup "Haggis", he started the critical acclaimed new-wave band "The Visitor" in 1980. For some years Ernst Langhout was the face and voice of this underground-wave band, that built a reputation and influenced other bands with its typical guitar walls. After three studio albums and a live record of their last concert the band split in 1987. Ernst Langhout returned to his roots with acoustic sets, mixing his own songs with those of e.g. Bob Dylan and folk traditionals. The psychedelic haze, heavy drums and electric guitars that came in the course of time however extreme or experimental, could never hide the rural roots of his singing. For more than a decade the Frisian troubadour has played the Dutch club-circuit and since the mid-eignties he trave! > ls Eastern Europe, the Baltic States, Russia and the U.S.A., accompanied by other musicians and on his own. This resulted in several recording projects with Polish and Russian friends and colleagues. This is an excellent Urban Folk album with a modern touch and a haunting quality that keeps you coming back for more. Recommended to fans of The Waterboys, Immaculate Fools, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison and Mark Burgess (as on his Zima Junction album). > > - Breathless - Blue Moon - CD > Breathless have been making albums for 14 years. Singer Dominic Appleton is perhaps best known as a contributor to the three This Mortal Coil albums which brought together some of the best musicians on the 4AD label to produce haunting compositions that were cherished by the minority who heard them. Absolutely impossible to date, Breathless' droning waves of guitars and synthesizers paced by slow drumming could have been created anytime between now and the early eighties. The sound is distinctly British, and the melancholic feeling projected by the sombre soundscapes bring bands like Talk Talk (in their post-pop phase), Flying Saucer Attack and Laika to mind. The difference is that Breathless uses mostly the classical rock outfit - guitars, bass and drums - to evoke these moods. Dominic Appleton retain their strong, just dramatic enough timbre throughout Blue Moon, while his bandmates once again are a perfectly simpatico set of players for his often dreamy, passionate lyrics! > . Songs like "Viva," "Ballroom," and "All the Reasons Slide," with a striking series of chimed bells to its credit, definitely call up a shadowy sense of the moodier corners of 1969. When it comes to the soaring, sweeping rock that the band is known for, longtime fans need not worry - "Magic Lamp" is easily the equal of such past high points as "Don't Just Disappear," at once a roaring monster and a romantic, passionate piece. > > - Stephen Hero - Darkness & the Day - CD > Stephen Hero is the alter ego of former Kitchens of Distinction man Patrick Fitzgerald. For his full-length solo debut, Stephen shows why he's been long revered among fans of lyrical pop. It sounds beautiful with serious consideration given to every chord on every song. The single My Beautiful One, with backing vocals from David McAlmont, is exquisite. NYC is the heaviest thing here, and though it sounds like it's about September 11th, it's actually about him flying home to England, drunk and frightened after a failed romance. He also hits the mark with the superbly crafted Thanks, Not Afraid. All in all 'Darkness & the Day' is a mature, intelligent album that every Kitchens of Distinction fan will instantly adore. > > - Obi - The Magic Land of Radio - CD > Obi's 'Magic Land of Radio' is a great headphones mini-album. Its songs all have that quiet, musically deep quality that makes you want to have it right near your ears. Obi brings in song after mellow pop-rock song, from the melancholy "What's in a Name" to the country-rock tinged "Home on the Range" to the plaintive, deceptively catchy "Piano Song." It's a refreshing to hear soft, slow songs that aren't morose. It's difficult to pinpoint exactly what's so special about Obi. Maybe it's Katkhuda's guileless delivery; he sort of talk-sings with a wondrous hint of whisper. Maybe it's the fullness of their sound: the four-man band uses a wide array of instruments besides the expected guitar and drums, including xylophones, harmonicas, and a banjo. Whatever it is, there's something infectious about Obi. Something that keeps you coming back to The Magic Land of Radio. > > - Blue Dog Yawning - Kettle Of Fish - CD > It doesn't half sneak up on you, Blue Dog Yawning's debut mini-album. The track 'Not On You' wanders in as if any time at all would do but within a minute or so has turned into an all frontier-crossing twangs, and it sets a marvellous template for the unexplosively beautiful half-hour that follows. There's a gently rustic Blue-Nile-ish quality to 'A in C' that eases its mild anger, a woozy wonder surrounding a smartly theremin-augmented 'Butter Side Up', and the Del Amitri-ish twinkly-folk-pop song 'Butterflies'; it all adds up to a pretty distinctive panorama. 'Taste' is a lovely song, plaintive vocals over a soft beautiful riff and a dwelling accordeon. All in all an acceptable purchase for fans of the Blue Nile, Del Amitri, Sjako!, Adrian Borland, etc, especially in view of its cheap price. Perhaps a little too personal for enormous public consumption, but 'Kettle Of Fish' can easily delight in those more intimate moments. Quietly magic stuff indeed. > > - New Order - Finsbury Park 9-6-02 (Live) - DVD > Here are the older men, no weights on their shoulders. Unburdening their past. Playing Joy Division songs. The three-note stridency of "Digital" - one of the older Joy Division songs, long dormant and specially disinterred from it's dusty crypt to lend an aura of exclusivity to proceedings. Not a number with which run-of-the-mill folks would choose to metaphorically blow out the candles on the birthday cake. Except New Order do just that, but with a little more levity. Black clothes. Blue lights. Black amps. Grey Skies. Brown mud. You've come to the wrong place if you're looking for a showbiz extravaganza. You've come to the right place if you want to admire Peter Hook's cunning personification of bass-guitar God and pantomime villain or to chortle at Bernard Sumner's obstinately misguided attempts at loopy dancing and gurning. Additionally, you've come to the right place if you're looking to find New Order - latterly downsized to a three-piece with additional live guitar wo! > rk from ex-Marion member Phil Cunningham - sounding sharper and more professional, that most heinous of compliments, than ever before. Typical of the band's avoidance of the old three-sheets-to-the-wind approach is Bernard Sumner's particular recourse to a strategically placed lyrically-reminding autocue during "Brutal". Add in the razor's-edge rock-out of "Crystal", big bruising renditions of Joy Division's "She's Lost Control" and "Transmission" together with the unreleased version of "Close Range" and the gliding, electronic grace of "Bizarre Love Triangle" and Finsbury Park is a TRIUMPH, despite the awful British weather. > > * Finsbury Park, 9th June 02 has subtitles in English, French and German. Sound is available in Stereo, DTS 5.1 Surround and Dolby Digital 5.1. Special features include a brief documentary called "New Order 9802", which comprises clips of their 1998 British tour and a few reminiscences from fans, and a three-minute montage of black and white footage of the set-up and sound check at Finsbury Park, titled "Earlier in the Day". There is also a song selector. > > ============================== > RED SUN RECORDS > Slotmakersstraat 3 > 8754EL Makkum > The Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] Be wewwy wewwy kwiet, we'we hunting ... snails for those of you so inclined, a visit to: http://www.inbetweennoise.com/ might prove rewarding http://www.stasfield.com/ as well - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > >From: "Bill Hick" > >Subject: [idealcopy] No You Wouldn't Like It, Sir > >Try listening to some CDs by Francisco Lopez and > Bernard Gunther... actually > >half of you lot probably shouldn't bother > > This actually sets up something I've been thinking > about: post-Cage, how > artistic is silence? Certainly, silence is > important in virtually all > forms of contemporary art, but it seems to me that > pure silence has "been > done". Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:20:37 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send/flag:burning A couple of questions; Anybody in the know got a tracklisting for Send which they're allowed to share with us? Much as I look forward to the live-CD and unreasonable though it might be to expect an album composed largely of new material given the timeframe and workload involved, I fear this might be a sweetener for an album composed predominantly of R+B1+2 (apologies to any lurking members of Wire if this sounds ungrateful) (Incidentally, Amazon are already listing Send as an orderable-in-advance item, not that I'm suggesting...) Secondly, does the term flag:burning solely conflate the obvious or is it also intended to indicate that the evening represents a funeral pyre for the Pink Flag museum piece, a line in the sand, as it were? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:01:58 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism >In a message dated 1/24/03 11:38:08 AM Central Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> right you (& others) are, & wrong i was. just to punish myself, i'll make >> myself listen to the nocturnal emissions cd i picked up used last night. >> >> dan >> >> ..and that's punishment? that falls under the category of: "don't threaten >> me with a good time" > >which Nocturnal Emissions did you pick up? drowning in a sea of bliss ... my reference to penance was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but actually reflects my temporary & somewhat inexplicable confusion (note to self: posting as the clock ticks toward 3 a.m. probably isn't the best idea in the world) of n.e. with sleep chamber ... i'm thinking they must've been on the same comp in the '80s, or something. besides, for some reason i've been in a '60s garage mood lately, listening to the 4 nuggets II discs repeatedly & then small faces & creation (their cover of like a rolling stone just concluded) retrospectives. graeme undoubtedly wouldn't approve, but he's safely across the ocean ... dan > >www.soleilmoon.com has several Nocturnal Emissions cds on sale for $ 5 a >piece... > >Glossalia and The World is My Womb are two of my favorites...droney ambient >soundscapes that are somewhat in the realm of certain Coil and Nurse With >Wound releases.... > > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:06:02 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send/flag:burning & will either disc include mr marx' table? dan, salivating >A couple of questions; > >Anybody in the know got a tracklisting for Send which they're allowed to >share with us? Much as I look forward to the live-CD and unreasonable >though it might be to expect an album composed largely of new material given >the timeframe and workload involved, I fear this might be a sweetener for an >album composed predominantly of R+B1+2 (apologies to any lurking members of >Wire if this sounds ungrateful) > >(Incidentally, Amazon are already listing Send as an orderable-in-advance >item, not that I'm suggesting...) > >Secondly, does the term flag:burning solely conflate the obvious or is it >also intended to indicate that the evening represents a funeral pyre for the >Pink Flag museum piece, a line in the sand, as it were? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:16:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send/flag:burning > >>Secondly, does the term flag:burning solely conflate the obvious or is it > also intended to indicate that the evening represents a funeral pyre for > the > Pink Flag museum piece, a line in the sand, as it were?<< > > That's how I read it.... Mr Lewis intimated as much in the pub > pre-Brighton. Wonder what the new "R&D vehicle" will be if Pink Flag (the > song) is retired? My money's on Art of Stopping... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send/flag:burning ... > Secondly, does the term flag:burning conflate > the obvious or is it > intended to indicate that the evening > represents a funeral pyre for the > Pink Flag museum piece, a line in the sand, as it were? my (uninformed) guess would be an unequivicable YES Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:00:16 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] In a Post Strummer Mood Paul Rabjohn in a post-strummer mood >>>i dusted off some old clash stuff. must say the first album still sounds storming but am i alone in thinking "give em enough rope" sounds a bit duff as time goes by? Safe European Home still sounds like one of the greatest rock songs ever to me. As time goes by its the odd latenight hashpipe casualty Sandinista tracks like Shepherds Delight, Saphire on Steel, Mensforth Hill & Version Pardner that I go back to most with The Clash. The thing that made me burst into tears was that line on that old 101ers tune Junco Partner they redid where Strummer sings "And one year that ain't no time" I felt like I'd learnt something from the way that silly song touched me... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Never Work for the Clampdown ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:01:34 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Ten Years After An Ideal Copy Fergus on Ideal Copy: >>>Though I like this LP for the most part, I do think it sounds very sequenced, in a way that doesn't do justice to the original songs, which I heard live, June 86, and thought they were great - they had a freshness and immediacy that just got lost in the recordings, which I felt were very 'quantized' and pop-ified. I had this problem with the recorded version of Spent at first. Although Berlin was a drastically finer wrought performance, perhaps the most exciting gig of last year was WIRE at ATP after a day of anticipation, hearing Ten Years After (Spent) and Read & Burn for the first time. Later the Spent recording seemed to replace urgency with heaviness... strangely the Bristol warm up version seems much closer to how the recording ended up. They really sped through Spent at ATP, and Bruce's guitar was totally wild. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP dorine_muraille - mani (www.fat-cat.co.uk) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:16:40 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] William Hicks, Esq. Wrong call Mr A! Bill is short for BILLIARDS A Game of Skill and Accuracy (quick someone type something about WIRE and shut me up before I turn into Steve Albini!) As for your earlier question as to whether I would be attending the upcoming Low Concert in Manchester, it's understandable that you might be excited at being in the same room as such a notorious Elite figure as myself, but I cannot presume to assume that I'll still be in the Land of the Living by then. However there is a chance that I might materialise, and not just threaten to. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:13:49 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Be wewwy wewwy kwiet, we'we hunting ... snails In a message dated 1/24/03 2:24:13 PM, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: >for those of you so inclined, a visit to: > >http://www.inbetweennoise.com/ > >might prove rewarding > >http://www.stasfield.com/ > >as well dave, did you mean to type www.stasisfield.com? indeed, a swell place ;o) i'll check out the curiously titled "inbetweennoise" too. - -paul (didn't listen to television enough to think of that fred, sonic's the one i knew) c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #23 ******************************