From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #22 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 022 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Elitism [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Bleed and run ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] The Smiths (was Elitism) [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Now That's What I Call Piano Music (OT) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Re: smith/baby it's you [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Elitism [MarkBursa@aol.com] ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism & when i was a kid i was big on norman "hurricane" smith's oh babe what would you say & (to a lesser extent) its follow-up, i think called who was it? (no, i haven't alphabetized the 7"s yet ... patience, patience). smith must've been the band that had a hit with baby it's you 30-odd years ago, though i didn't hear it till a lr oldies station broadcast it in the early '90s ... was quite disappointed (as i was when i finally heard the stones' original tell me, covered quite well by the dead boys more than a decade later), as i was already familiar with the sunset bombers' (pre-knack, sort of) much harder-edged version from '78 or so. presumably it's the same song of that name the shirelles had a hit with in '62; i have the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it, but that would require checking my sunset bombers lp for the credit, & frankly i can't imagine it's much of a burning question (not the mention the fact that mark bursa undoubtedly already knows the answer). besides, it's quite cold here. as for smiths, how can we forget frankie, huey "piano", o.c., rex, sammi & whistling jack? it'd be a fucking rockestra. dan >In a message dated 1/22/03 8:39:09 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >>> >>dan, who figures that if robert smith & morrissey (& for that matter >>mes << >>> >>> >>> Hell that's one supergroup. Smith, Smith & Smiths. >>> >>> Mark > >can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group > >-paul (when i was a kid i had an lp by "a group called smith" but i don't >remember what they sound like) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:24:48 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Elitism nice post, Dan made me smile :-} >>i have the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it Bacharach / David / Williams. Dunno who 'Williams' is tho' info courtesy of the indispensable 'All Music Guide' later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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I know Graham's dying to get back to doing solo stuff. I'd say they're concentrating their energies on The Barbican show. Send is finished now becuase the US distributore want a minimum 3 month lead in, so it's timed with the flagburning. Maybe when they get back from ATP in LA they might look at R&B03, who knows ? Then they might surprise us and get it done for The Barbican gig, though I doubt it somehow. This week I have been mostly listening to :- Toru Takemitsu: Film music (Nonesuch) quite magnificent... Kontakte Der Junglinge (Thomas Koner & Asmus Teitchens): 1 (Die Stadt) essential listening for the Domeheads out there... Minutemen: Double nickels on the dime (SST) hardcore doesn't get much better... Ludus: The Seduction/The Visit (LTM) still briliant 20 years on... Brise-Glace: When in vanitas (Skin Graft) Jim O'Rourke and friends do their instrumental take on This Heat... AMM: Tunes without measure or end (Matchless) improvisation as meditation... Bernhard Gunter/John Duncan: Home, unspeakable (Trente oiseaux) listen real close now... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] The Smiths (was Elitism) Kendra and Huey from my collection to provide Heart and Soul pass on Smith and Mighty tho Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:12:59 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: No You Wouldn't Like It, Sir >From: "Bill Hick" >Subject: [idealcopy] No You Wouldn't Like It, Sir >Try listening to some CDs by Francisco Lopez and Bernard Gunther... actually >half of you lot probably shouldn't bother This actually sets up something I've been thinking about: post-Cage, how artistic is silence? Certainly, silence is important in virtually all forms of contemporary art, but it seems to me that pure silence has "been done". Bernhard Gunter is, IMO, one of the most intersesting of the current generation of "minimalists" (for lack of a better term). His work is extremely quiet, but the silences are weaved w/ various sounds, notes or other, that continue to offer something after many listenings. Lopez often lets long passages go by without so much as a click. I have to wonder sometimes why I have the player on--I'm perfectly capable of sitting in silence without his help. That said, much of what I've heard from him was written for installations, which is different, but on the Hecker remix cd (thanks to the person who sent me a copy) he does offer 10 minutes of silence. Surprised the Cage estate hasn't taken him to court. ;) Michael Flaherty recent heavy rotation: La Monte Young, "The Well Tuned Piano" Weburn, String Quartets and Trios John Coltrane, "Village Vangard Sessions" Looking forward to: MZUI on cd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:24:17 -0000 From: "Garry P" Subject: [idealcopy] Now That's What I Call Piano Music (OT) I just discovered a CD which one or two other listees might be interested in. It's 'The Things I See' by Gary Husband, it's available from the label's website: http://www.artofliferecords.com/ and not many other places - it seems to have fallen into immediate obscurity, which is why I thought it might be worth alerting you to. This is the best piano music I've heard in ages. A point of reference would be Mark Springer's solo albums, though I think this may be even better. The premise of the album seems thoroughly tedious - a drummer (a drummer who once played for Level 42, moreover) playing pianistic interpretations of guitar pieces by Alan Holdsworth (who never particularly interested me). But No. Gary Husband, clearly an unreasonably talented bastard, is an astonishing pianist, and the stuff he's put together here (which, as he acknowledges, developed so much that it no longer really has that much to do with Alan Holdsworth) belongs outside of the obvious categories - it's not really jazz, or classical. It ventures into some weird terrain - playing percussion on the piano, atonality, whistling and muttering in the background - but it all fits, it never sounds like he's being wacky for the sake of it. I just thought I'd - ah - tell you. GarryP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:11:49 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism Wasn't Debbie Hairy in a band called Smith before she Blondied? sg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > & when i was a kid i was big on norman "hurricane" smith's oh babe what > would you say & (to a lesser extent) its follow-up, i think called who was > it? (no, i haven't alphabetized the 7"s yet ... patience, patience). > > smith must've been the band that had a hit with baby it's you 30-odd years > ago, though i didn't hear it till a lr oldies station broadcast it in the > early '90s ... was quite disappointed (as i was when i finally heard the > stones' original tell me, covered quite well by the dead boys more than a > decade later), as i was already familiar with the sunset bombers' > (pre-knack, sort of) much harder-edged version from '78 or so. presumably > it's the same song of that name the shirelles had a hit with in '62; i have > the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it, but that would > require checking my sunset bombers lp for the credit, & frankly i can't > imagine it's much of a burning question (not the mention the fact that mark > bursa undoubtedly already knows the answer). besides, it's quite cold here. > > as for smiths, how can we forget frankie, huey "piano", o.c., rex, sammi & > whistling jack? it'd be a fucking rockestra. > > dan > > > > > >In a message dated 1/22/03 8:39:09 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > >>> >>dan, who figures that if robert smith & morrissey (& for that matter > >>mes << > >>> > >>> > >>> Hell that's one supergroup. Smith, Smith & Smiths. > >>> > >>> Mark > > > >can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group > > > >-paul (when i was a kid i had an lp by "a group called smith" but i don't > >remember what they sound like) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:54:37 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism You're right, absolutely. There was some 60's band called Smith w/ a chick lead singer that had an almost hit with a song that someone else made famous. Can't remember off hand. Maybe I can google it up. sg first results: SS30TS BABY, IT'S YOU - THE SHIRELLES (D) SS31 BABY, IT'S YOU - SMITH (22) SS32TS BABY LOVE - THE SUPREMES - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Trowel" To: "Stephen Graziano" Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > Debbie Harry's pre-Blondie band was (the horribly named) Wind In The > Willows, I think. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Graziano" > To: "dan bailey" ; "ideal copy" > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > > > Wasn't Debbie Hairy in a band called Smith before she Blondied? > > sg > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dan bailey" > > To: "ideal copy" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > > > > > > & when i was a kid i was big on norman "hurricane" smith's oh babe what > > > would you say & (to a lesser extent) its follow-up, i think called who > was > > > it? (no, i haven't alphabetized the 7"s yet ... patience, patience). > > > > > > smith must've been the band that had a hit with baby it's you 30-odd > years > > > ago, though i didn't hear it till a lr oldies station broadcast it in > the > > > early '90s ... was quite disappointed (as i was when i finally heard the > > > stones' original tell me, covered quite well by the dead boys more than > a > > > decade later), as i was already familiar with the sunset bombers' > > > (pre-knack, sort of) much harder-edged version from '78 or so. > presumably > > > it's the same song of that name the shirelles had a hit with in '62; i > > have > > > the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it, but that > > would > > > require checking my sunset bombers lp for the credit, & frankly i can't > > > imagine it's much of a burning question (not the mention the fact that > > mark > > > bursa undoubtedly already knows the answer). besides, it's quite cold > > here. > > > > > > as for smiths, how can we forget frankie, huey "piano", o.c., rex, sammi > & > > > whistling jack? it'd be a fucking rockestra. > > > > > > dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 1/22/03 8:39:09 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > >>> >>dan, who figures that if robert smith & morrissey (& for that > matter > > > >>mes << > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Hell that's one supergroup. Smith, Smith & Smiths. > > > >>> > > > >>> Mark > > > > > > > >can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group > > > > > > > >-paul (when i was a kid i had an lp by "a group called smith" but i > don't > > > >remember what they sound like) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:22:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Now That's What I Call Piano Music (OT) Haven't heard him, but I've read good reports about this. Bizarrely, I read that he too used to play with Level 42. > I just discovered a CD which one or two other listees might be interested in. > > It's 'The Things I See' by Gary Husband, it's available from the label's > website: > > http://www.artofliferecords.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:10:57 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism The Easy Rider soundtrack is why I remember them. This is from the Rolling Stone.com website (cluttered all to hell w/ ads) Smith Group Called Smith Their debut album, featuring "Baby It's You." The CD reissue adds five significant bonus tracks: the singles "Take A Look Around" and "What Am I Gonna Do," Gayle McCormick's solo singles "Gonna Be Alright Now" and "It's A Cryin' Shame," and Smith's version of "The Weight," which was included on the Easy Rider soundtrack. ~ Richie Unterberger, All Music Guide - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Graziano" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > You're right, absolutely. There was some 60's band called Smith w/ a chick > lead singer that had an almost hit with a song that someone else made > famous. Can't remember off hand. Maybe I can google it up. > sg > > first results: > > SS30TS BABY, IT'S YOU - THE SHIRELLES (D) > SS31 BABY, IT'S YOU - SMITH (22) > SS32TS BABY LOVE - THE SUPREMES > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Trowel" > To: "Stephen Graziano" > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > > > Debbie Harry's pre-Blondie band was (the horribly named) Wind In The > > Willows, I think. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Graziano" > > To: "dan bailey" ; "ideal copy" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > > > > > > Wasn't Debbie Hairy in a band called Smith before she Blondied? > > > sg > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "dan bailey" > > > To: "ideal copy" > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > > > > > > > > > & when i was a kid i was big on norman "hurricane" smith's oh babe > what > > > > would you say & (to a lesser extent) its follow-up, i think called who > > was > > > > it? (no, i haven't alphabetized the 7"s yet ... patience, patience). > > > > > > > > smith must've been the band that had a hit with baby it's you 30-odd > > years > > > > ago, though i didn't hear it till a lr oldies station broadcast it in > > the > > > > early '90s ... was quite disappointed (as i was when i finally heard > the > > > > stones' original tell me, covered quite well by the dead boys more > than > > a > > > > decade later), as i was already familiar with the sunset bombers' > > > > (pre-knack, sort of) much harder-edged version from '78 or so. > > presumably > > > > it's the same song of that name the shirelles had a hit with in '62; i > > > have > > > > the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it, but that > > > would > > > > require checking my sunset bombers lp for the credit, & frankly i > can't > > > > imagine it's much of a burning question (not the mention the fact that > > > mark > > > > bursa undoubtedly already knows the answer). besides, it's quite cold > > > here. > > > > > > > > as for smiths, how can we forget frankie, huey "piano", o.c., rex, > sammi > > & > > > > whistling jack? it'd be a fucking rockestra. > > > > > > > > dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 1/22/03 8:39:09 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > > >>> >>dan, who figures that if robert smith & morrissey (& for that > > matter > > > > >>mes << > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Hell that's one supergroup. Smith, Smith & Smiths. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Mark > > > > > > > > > >can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group > > > > > > > > > >-paul (when i was a kid i had an lp by "a group called smith" but i > > don't > > > > >remember what they sound like) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:44:23 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism not that i know of ... she was, i believe, in the stilettoes (never recorded, ifaik, in the very early [pre-?]cbgb's days, possibly along with tish & snookie of fuckettes & later manic panic fame). probably she knew patti smith, though ... dan >Wasn't Debbie Hairy in a band called Smith before she Blondied? >sg > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:08 PM >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > > >> & when i was a kid i was big on norman "hurricane" smith's oh babe what >> would you say & (to a lesser extent) its follow-up, i think called who was >> it? (no, i haven't alphabetized the 7"s yet ... patience, patience). >> >> smith must've been the band that had a hit with baby it's you 30-odd years >> ago, though i didn't hear it till a lr oldies station broadcast it in the >> early '90s ... was quite disappointed (as i was when i finally heard the >> stones' original tell me, covered quite well by the dead boys more than a >> decade later), as i was already familiar with the sunset bombers' >> (pre-knack, sort of) much harder-edged version from '78 or so. presumably >> it's the same song of that name the shirelles had a hit with in '62; i >have >> the feeling someone on the order of burt bacharach wrote it, but that >would >> require checking my sunset bombers lp for the credit, & frankly i can't >> imagine it's much of a burning question (not the mention the fact that >mark >> bursa undoubtedly already knows the answer). besides, it's quite cold >here. >> >> as for smiths, how can we forget frankie, huey "piano", o.c., rex, sammi & >> whistling jack? it'd be a fucking rockestra. >> >> dan >> >> >> >> >> >In a message dated 1/22/03 8:39:09 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> > >> >>> >>dan, who figures that if robert smith & morrissey (& for that matter >> >>mes << >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hell that's one supergroup. Smith, Smith & Smiths. >> >>> >> >>> Mark >> > >> >can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group >> > >> >-paul (when i was a kid i had an lp by "a group called smith" but i don't >> >remember what they sound like) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:11:41 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: smith/baby it's you In a message dated 1/23/03 7:24:31 AM, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > > >Bacharach / David / Williams. Dunno who 'Williams' is tho' > >info courtesy of the indispensable 'All Music Guide' barney williams. paul williams with burt bacharach woulda been cool, eh? - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:38:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Elitism > >>can tv, patti and elliott get in on that too? a real supersmith group<< Not to mention Kendra, Fred and, er, Fred. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:26:43 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism In a message dated 1/23/03 9:39:39 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Kendra, Fred and, er, Fred of course. i feel guilty forgetting kendra. who's the second fred? -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:09:22 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: ot- smiths Re: [idealcopy] Elitism fred "sonic" smith was in the mc5 & subsequently led sonic's rendevous band. fred "mr patti" smith played bass in television & later married you-know-who, dying about 10 years ago. i *think* i've got that right, anyhow. dan >In a message dated 1/23/03 9:39:39 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >>Kendra, Fred and, er, Fred > >of course. i feel guilty forgetting kendra. who's the second fred? -paul >c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #22 ******************************