From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #19 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: brighton things ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] dvds ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] bis [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] dvds [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:52:31 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: brighton things > >>I didn't mind BDB's first LP (though even that was a patchy affair), but I > >don't like the new stuff at all. The new single is dire. Not even the > >presence of a Smith can rescue it! > > mark e.? now *that* would be interesting ...<< Andy Rourke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE's 80s oeuvre > I was left curious about one thing - are the > comments about WIRE's 80s oeuvre now the band's > party line or do you really think the recordings > suffer from the heavy studio process? Some of them certainly do, and some don't, although I'd imagine some of Wire's dislike for the '80s material stems from the problems within the group itself at the time just as much as the material. The stuff that probably suffers the most is the Wir-era. The First Letter is terribly mixed, and you can hear what might have been by listening through headphones and hearing things buried in the back of the mix. (Many such things were brought to the fore in Wir's fairly shambolic live outing, but this did at least show the power behind the tracks that was lost on the recording.) In my opinion, the earlier stuff is a varied bag anyway, and some suffers by comparison to the live performances (at least pre-1988, where the live stuff sounds somewhat pedestrian), whereas some tracks are a whole lot better on the CDs/records (Queen of Ur, Ahead, etc). C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:13:47 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing > > I appear to have lost my first name. I had it last time I wrote to you, but > > unfortunately I now appear to have mislaid it.<< > > Ah, but Graeme was referring to IAN Astbury's review of the Wire gig in > Kerrrrang!!!!!!!. Ah! The Birkenhead Apache Astbury! Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul Young! Any worse suggestions... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:39:47 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] The Sound...recommendations? I recently purchased The Sound - From The Lion's Mouth (2002 remastered edition) after hearing "Judgement" on an UNCUT Magazine compilation CD that I got a few months ago. I'm addicted to From The Lion's Mouth and have been playing it pretty much nonstop since I bought it. Seeing that I'm a fan of Echo And The Bunnymen, Wire, Joy Division/New Order, early Duran Duran, Public Image Ltd., etc., The Sound fits my musical taste like a glove. My question for other fans of The Sound here is, now that I have From The Lion's Mouth, which Sound album should I buy next? Jeopardy sounds like the logical next choice, but I'm wondering if anyone can steer me towards other good ones, as I have no clue. Thanks. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:47:49 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound...recommendations? In a message dated 1/20/03 10:40:53 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: > >My question for other fans of The Sound here is, now that I have From The > >Lion's Mouth, which Sound album should I buy next? Jeopardy sounds like > >the logical next choice, but I'm wondering if anyone can steer me towards > >other good ones, as I have no clue. from the lion's mouth was the first one i got, and the only one i had for many years. i later picked up the shock of daylight 12" and just recently found the shock of daylight/heads and hearts cd. it's very good. i think it's safe to say you'll like it. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:38:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound...recommendations? > >>My question for other fans of The Sound here is, now that I have From The > Lion's Mouth, which Sound album should I buy next? Jeopardy sounds like > the logical next choice, << > > Correct. The first two are the best two. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:37:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound...recommendations? > > Jeopardy sounds like the logical next choice, << > > > Correct. The first two are the best two. Jeopardy mightn't be as good ...Lions Mouth, but it's great. And it features the single Heyday, which is just about as good as it gets. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:33:23 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: brighton things / MES false teeth >MES once left his false >teeth in the glove box of BDB's car. Not a pleasant thought, and surprisingly > >MES never asked for them back.... This is true. Honest! >>mark! how on earth do you get these stories?! i think a special trophy needs to be made for you...titanium anorak?<< this story was pretty widespread over the fall mailing list...you can read about badly drawn boy's reaction @ http://www.visi.com/fall/news/021204.html the incident even made it into the lyrics of the Fall's "Susan vs Youth Club" : "Reading Book I had no teeth To talk about on that day Badly Boy Drawn had confiscated them And put them in A mouldy old acoustic case safe and warm for a Saturday" ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:36:49 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing Impugning Luton's finest? How dare you, sir. I'll have you know his picture is hanging behind half the pub bars in town. How about Michael Jackson? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made > a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul Young! > > Any worse suggestions... > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:39:32 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album. Reminded me of late period Scott Walker. And what is that on the cover? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: brighton things > > >>Bloody hell, Paul. Don't lump that ugly twat in a tea-cosy with the very > > beautiful Nick Drake!<< > > > Or the very talented Mr Hollis. The day that numpty makes a record as good > > as Spirit of Eden, I'll eat his hat... > > Eeeuuww... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:36:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) In a message dated 1/20/03 1:52:08 PM Central Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try > harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album.>>>> then you shouldn't have too much trouble appreciating Spirit of Eden or Laughing Stock... Reminded me of late > period Scott Walker.>>> yeah..i could see that... And what is that on the cover?>>>> i dunno..it looks like some sort of circus freak or some of my cooking.. > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:52:32 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... >Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made >a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul >Young! > >Any worse suggestions... yeah...Barry Blue...!!! (sorry, private joke...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:03:08 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... In a message dated 1/20/03 8:52:59 PM GMT Standard Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > >Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made > > >a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul > >Young! > > > >Any worse suggestions... > > yeah...Barry Blue...!!! ////i was thinking maybe brett anderson might carry it off rather well? also badly drawn boy's tragic new "rock" direction might well be a desperate plea for an audition......? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:22:16 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing > Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made > a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul Young! > > Any worse suggestions... > > Keith > Here are my suggestions: David Gedge from the Wedding Present Suggs from Madness David Van Day from Dollar Motoring pundit Jeremy Clarkson Ken Morely (aka Reg in Coronation Street) Motown Boss, Berry Gordy Former A Certain Ratio guitarist, Peter Terrel Writer and Comedian Ben Elton The voice of the Daleks, Roy Skelton Portly TV Chef, Anthony Worral Thompson Former Chairman of Railtrack PLC, John Robinson Celebrity Steeplejack and Industrial heritage expert, Fred Dibner I'll stop now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:37:40 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing probably my 2 least favorite vocalists in pop would prove, uh, fascinating -- dave matthews or michael mcdonald. barry white would be downright intriguing. so would mark e smith. i can just imagine the sort of stream-of-consciousness discourse he might launch into during the denouement of, say, "the end-uh." (sorry ... just woke up after a nap that began right after i listened to the '78 liverpool live disc). wandering down the distaff side, there're the likes of cyndi lauper & katie-jane whatshername (gartside? or was that the scritti politti fellow?) from daisy chainsaw ... dan >> Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have >made >> a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul >Young! >> >> Any worse suggestions... >> >> Keith >> > >Here are my suggestions: > > >David Gedge from the Wedding Present >Suggs from Madness >David Van Day from Dollar >Motoring pundit Jeremy Clarkson >Ken Morely (aka Reg in Coronation Street) >Motown Boss, Berry Gordy >Former A Certain Ratio guitarist, Peter Terrel >Writer and Comedian Ben Elton >The voice of the Daleks, Roy Skelton >Portly TV Chef, Anthony Worral Thompson >Former Chairman of Railtrack PLC, John Robinson >Celebrity Steeplejack and Industrial heritage expert, Fred Dibner >I'll stop now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:42:58 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... > > >Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have > made > > >a worse choice than him for their new singer, << > > Phil Collins? > > Sting? > > Dolores out of the Cranberries? > > "Wit dere tanks an' dere guns an' dere crawlin' king snakes..." > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:37:40 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing probably my 2 least favorite vocalists in pop would prove, uh, fascinating -- dave matthews or michael mcdonald. barry white would be downright intriguing. so would mark e smith. i can just imagine the sort of stream-of-consciousness discourse he might launch into during the denouement of, say, "the end-uh." (sorry ... just woke up after a nap that began right after i listened to the '78 liverpool live disc). wandering down the distaff side, there're the likes of cyndi lauper & katie-jane whatshername (gartside? or was that the scritti politti fellow?) from daisy chainsaw ... dan >> Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have >made >> a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul >Young! >> >> Any worse suggestions... >> >> Keith >> > >Here are my suggestions: > > >David Gedge from the Wedding Present >Suggs from Madness >David Van Day from Dollar >Motoring pundit Jeremy Clarkson >Ken Morely (aka Reg in Coronation Street) >Motown Boss, Berry Gordy >Former A Certain Ratio guitarist, Peter Terrel >Writer and Comedian Ben Elton >The voice of the Daleks, Roy Skelton >Portly TV Chef, Anthony Worral Thompson >Former Chairman of Railtrack PLC, John Robinson >Celebrity Steeplejack and Industrial heritage expert, Fred Dibner >I'll stop now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:44:58 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing > >>The voice of the Daleks, Roy Skelton<< > > And also the voice of Zippy off Rainbow. > > FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:47:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing > >>probably my 2 least favorite vocalists in pop would prove, uh, > fascinating -- dave matthews << > > How do you know what he sounds like?? How can you remember any element of > the sound of the band? I'm sure he is annoying as hell, but the music is so > bland it goes completely uunnoticed. Might as well release silent CDs. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:54:31 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] William it was really nothing dunno how popular his crap is over there, but over here it's well-nigh inescapable to anyone who ever unwittingly finds himself near a switched-on radio (which is why about all i play is the sports talk station when i'm in the car). for me, one encounter is memorable for all the wrong reasons, just like nails on a chalkboard (another shuddersome experience i haven't actually undergone since grade school, probably). dan >> >>probably my 2 least favorite vocalists in pop would prove, uh, >> fascinating -- dave matthews << >> >> How do you know what he sounds like?? How can you remember any element of >> the sound of the band? I'm sure he is annoying as hell, but the music is so >> bland it goes completely uunnoticed. Might as well release silent CDs. >> >> Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:03:23 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] ot-rex -- for lord astbury as our resident t. rexpert, what do you know about the following, listed in a seller's catalog that i just came across? i think i may still be missing zip gun (along with futuristic dragon), & i know damned well i'm ignorant of whatever "precious star" is/was (similarly, i'm quite curious about all the other releases below with bonus discs, since otherwise i've got the single-disc-plus-bonus-tracks versions) -- Bolan, Marc/T-Rex -- (From our BARGAINS catalog.) Bolan's Zip Gun (+21), 2CD $13.69 Deluxe 2CD edition the 1974 album, including 21 bonus tracks (32 tracks total), featuring a complete alternate album ("Precious Star"), studio out-takes and more. am also wondering about the desirability of the following -- 20th Century Superstar, 4CD $54.99 108 track deluxe box is the first anthology to cover Marc's entire career, all his singles, including long lost 60s solo 45s and ultra rare John's Children recordings, dozens of exclusive B sides, newly discovered alternate takes and mixes, and much more. Country: EU Beginning Of Doves (37 tracks), CD $15.99 Remastered from original tapes, expanded to 37 tracks with the addition of some rare single versions, alternate takes and previously unreleased material. Deluxe packaging with sleeve notes by Bolan experts Mark Paytress and Uwe Klee. Country: UK Dandy In The Underworld (+26), 2CD $21.49 Deluxe 2CD edition of Bolan's last album, originally released in 1977. Includes 26 bonus tracks, featuring the "Prince Of Players" alternate versions album. Deluxe package. Country: UK Futuristic Dragon (+23) REMASTERED, 2CD $21.49 Remastered 1976 album in deluxe packaging, featuring 3 non-album single sides on Disc One, while Disc Two is a 20 track bonus disc of fascinating work-in-progress versions and demos, which mirrors the original album's running order. Country: UK Slider (+14) REMASTERED, 2CD $21.49 Classic 1972 album, remastered in special packaging with annotated booklet containing lyrics, photos and memorabilia. Includes the 15 track bonus disc of alternate versions known as "Rabbit Fighter". Country: UK Tanx (+30), 2CD $21.49 Deluxe 2CD edition of Bolan's 1973 album, featuring 30 bonus tracks, including the complete alternate album ("Left Hand Luke") plus additional acoustic demos and more. Country: UK Zinc Alloy (+29), 2CD $21.49 Deluxe 2CD reissue of this 1974 album includes the original album, remastered with 5 bonus tracks, plus 24 track bonus disc of in-progress versions, acoustic demos and more. Includes update 16 page booklet with lyrics, photos and memorabilia. Country: UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:35:46 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] ot -- dvds for xmas i bought myself a cheap dvd player that, thanks to my back problems, i didn't feel like actually hooking up until early this a.m. (now that i'm not working i've drifted back to my old go-to-bed-around-dawn ways). anyone have any suggestions about particularly worthwhile music-related dvd's? i'm sure i'll wind up buying kmfdm's beat by beat by beat sooner rather than later & probably the clash's westway to the world (the filth & the fury, curiously enough, may be out of print), but after that i'm blank, because i simply haven't been paying attention to what's out there. in the meantime, the only thing i've had to watch is the bonus dvd that comes with the new primal scream -- 2 videos (the one for "miss lucifer" is great but, at less than 3 mins, too damned short) & about 30 minutes from an outdoor concert, highlighted by swastika eyes. too bad dvd players (or at least *this* one) don't play footage from cd-roms, as my computer not only no longer has sound but also seems reluctant to register the presence of cd's in that drive, period. guess i'll break down & buy the latest reissue (christ, i've somehow wound up with both of the first 2) of the white stripes' red blood cells, just for the bonus dvd. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:37:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) > >>I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try > harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album. Reminded me of > late > period Scott Walker. And what is that on the cover?<< It's some kind of cake or pie, in the shape of a sheep. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:43:34 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) >> >>I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try >> harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album. Reminded me of >> late >> period Scott Walker. And what is that on the cover?<< > >It's some kind of cake or pie, in the shape of a sheep. > >Mark odd ... my girlfriend, an asst features editor at my latest former newspaper, mentioned in a piece yesterday on wedding cakes & such that someone had ordered one in the shape of a catfish ... the southern (u.s.) version of the above? dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:57:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) > > I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try > > harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album.>>>> > > then you shouldn't have too much trouble appreciating Spirit of Eden or > Laughing Stock... or Colour of Spring which I suppose is where they stopped just being Talk Talk the pop group. > i dunno..it looks like some sort of circus freak or some of my cooking.. you must invite us all round some time Robert ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:47:42 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot -- dvds thanks much. wonder if here are the young men (which i've never owned in any format) has come out? also, i see by one on-line seller that the fall seem to have a fiend with a violin disc, but as questionable as all those cd's (which of course i own) are ... dan > >> >>anyone have any suggestions about particularly worthwhile >> music-related dvd's?<< >> >> New Order's 3:16, containing the 1981 'Taras Shevchenko' NYC gig, and the >> 1998 Reading Festival gig. >> >> Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:59:37 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... > >Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have made > >a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul > >Young! > > > >Any worse suggestions... > > yeah...Barry Blue...!!! > > (sorry, private joke...) > > ian.s.j. Yeah. It made me laugh as well Ian! Girl we couldn't get much higher, Dancing on a Saturday Night. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:05:48 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot-rex -- for lord astbury > as our resident t. rexpert, what do you know about the following, listed in > a seller's catalog that i just came across? will reply off list to this, but if anyone else is interested I'll send 'em a copy. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:55:21 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... an old e-mail correspondent of whom i've lost track urged a tape of mr blue's greatest moments on me a couple of years ago, touting him as excellent glammish pop, but if i played it i'm sorry to say i can't remember a note (sort of like mark's nonimpressions of dave matthews, i suppose). hell, i don't think i've yet braved my own used copy of that rubettes lp from the same era that i picked up for a buck or so sometime back ... dan >> >Actually, I was trying to think whether the remaining Doors could have >made >> >a worse choice than him for their new singer, and came up with...Paul >> >Young! >> > >> >Any worse suggestions... >> >> yeah...Barry Blue...!!! >> >> (sorry, private joke...) >> >> ian.s.j. > >Yeah. It made me laugh as well Ian! > >Girl we couldn't get much higher, >Dancing on a Saturday Night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:58:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] dvds In a message dated 1/21/2003 12:49:21 AM GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >>thanks much. wonder if here are the young men (which i've never owned in > any > format) has come out? << Nope, just the crusty VHS. I think Ikon's back catalogue is now owned by Cherry Red... so maybe it'll come out on DVD? HATYM is very shaky - mainly a handicam from the balcony of the Manchester Apollo! >>also, i see by one on-line seller that the fall seem > to have a fiend with > a violin disc, but as questionable as all those cd's<< Not seen that... however the recent Blackburn gig (where they played a massive 2-hour greatest hits set) was recorded for DVD release. Now I wonder if Wire are planning such an exercise for the Barbican. Seems a bit of a waste to hire Jake & Dinos Chapman otherwise... ;-) What a nice DVD that would make - the two sets, plus Rockpalast and the 80s videos.... BTW I have 3 official Fall videos - don't know if there are any more. One is the Perverted by Language Bis thing (which is essential 1983 fodder. And you can see me in the crowd at the Hacienda for 0.00001sec); then there are video compilations covering the Brix era (big budgets!!) and the Extricate/Shift-work period (smaller budgets!!!). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:58:26 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) does that mean robert's a pastry chef on the side? sounds delectably goth, if i'm remembering his day job correctly as graveyard-related ... dan >> > I was never a big fan of Talk Talk (and I know I need to go back and try >> > harder) but I really liked that Mark Hollis solo album.>>>> >> >> then you shouldn't have too much trouble appreciating Spirit of Eden or >> Laughing Stock... > >or Colour of Spring which I suppose is where they stopped just being Talk >Talk the pop group. > >> i dunno..it looks like some sort of circus freak or some of my cooking.. > >you must invite us all round some time Robert ; ) > >Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:04:28 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] dvds have the pbl one myself (btw, what the hell does "bis" mean? i mean, since i've got probably 7 or 8 releases by the band of the same name, it's about time i found out) & somehow/where have a tape (possibly done by a member of the bombast list, or maybe even here) with a decent amount of the other stuff, too. love hit the north in particular. ghost in my house & victoria actually got some play over here back in the late '80s courtesy of mtv's 120 mins & usa network's broadcasts of snub. dan >BTW I have 3 official Fall videos - don't know if there are any more. One is >the Perverted by Language Bis thing (which is essential 1983 fodder. And you >can see me in the crowd at the Hacienda for 0.00001sec); then there are video >compilations covering the Brix era (big budgets!!) and the >Extricate/Shift-work period (smaller budgets!!!). > > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:18:19 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... The Rubettes are out on tour as we speak! > hell, i don't think i've yet braved my own used copy of that rubettes lp > from the same era that i picked up for a buck or so sometime back ... > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:11:34 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - not Astbury but... obviously, i must somehow contrive to cross the big pond & set foot in the uk for the first time in my life for this momentous occasion ... dan, still wondering what andy bloody kim is doing as part of a "'60s package" show (of even more dubious quality than most such ventures? gary & the fucking playboys? wouldn't mind seeing if lou christie can still hit the high notes, though ...) scheduled to play here in the near future >The Rubettes are out on tour as we speak! > > > >> hell, i don't think i've yet braved my own used copy of that rubettes lp >> from the same era that i picked up for a buck or so sometime back ... >> >> dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:31:33 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] dvds >>>also, i see by one on-line seller that the fall seem > to have a fiend with >> a violin disc, but as questionable as all those cd's<< > >Not seen that... You know, this may not be exactly a DVD. They have released Fiend with a Violin as a DVD-Audio disc. This disc would have a DVD-Video compatible section with 5 channel audio and still pictures. The content would be the same as the CD Audio disc. I actually bought this disc recently. If you have the release number, I can compare it with mine, and let you know if it matches. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:44:58 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] dvds now that i look at the catalogue listing, i'm positive we're talking about the same release. how is it? >>>>also, i see by one on-line seller that the fall seem > to have a >fiend with >>> a violin disc, but as questionable as all those cd's<< >> >>Not seen that... > >You know, this may not be exactly a DVD. They have released Fiend with >a Violin as a DVD-Audio disc. This disc would have a DVD-Video >compatible section with 5 channel audio and still pictures. The >content would be the same as the CD Audio disc. > >I actually bought this disc recently. If you have the release number, >I can compare it with mine, and let you know if it matches. > >Cheers, >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:47:46 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mark Hollis (was : brighton things) In a message dated 1/20/03 6:59:13 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > does that mean robert's a pastry chef on the side? sounds delectably goth, > if i'm remembering his day job correctly as graveyard-related ... > > dan > > > but i never mix business and pleasure..or..er..cuisine RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:57:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bis Dan, > >>have the pbl one myself (btw, what the hell does "bis" mean? i mean, since > i've got probably 7 or 8 releases by the band of the same name, it's about > time i found out)<< > > It's Latin, and simply means "the second". So the album was called > Perverted by Language, and the video was the second Fall product called > Perverted by Language. The benefits of a classical education, like what me and MES mush have had ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:06:31 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] dvds On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, dan bailey wrote: > have the pbl one myself (btw, what the hell does "bis" mean? i mean, > since i've got probably 7 or 8 releases by the band of the same name, > it's about time i found out) I don't think the band's name is from the Latin; I seem to recall one of them saying in an interview that where they grew up (Scotland?) it was baby-talk for "shit". DVDs: if you like Massive Attack at all, their videos collection is well worth owning. All but one of the videos use a very similar style with lots of tracking shots and people offhandedly singing (well, lip-syncing, of course) the songs while doing other, often ominous things. Other than my videotape of New Order's _Substance_ it's the only music video I've bought and watched more than twice. a ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #19 ******************************