From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #16 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: resonancefm/Innes OT [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] Brighton review & photos ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Atmosphere ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] WIRE Clean Up on The Brain ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Wobble-y gigs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] "wirey" Atmosphere [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:06:26 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: resonancefm/Innes OT In a message dated 17/1/03 9:31:12 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << My favourite was the weekly slot for a woman who wanders the streets with her child in a buggy and playing a sax, which is broadcast live. Unfortunately I live too far out of London to pick it up. >> Love to hear that - you can get resonance as a netcast incidentally. resonancefm.com I imagine said woman's performance involves quite a bit of free jazz wailing. And that's just the kid in the buggy haha. Wonder how his/her life will be affected by this experience? Re. Neil Innes - I have very fond memories of his Innes Book of Records from c. 1981. The Mona lisa painted on the top of his bowler. The song Hey Mr Eurovision Song Contest Man. And the robot radio one DJ (ten years before Smashie and Nicey) operated by a chain-smoking blonde woman. Urban Spaceman was a bit shit though. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:41:48 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Brighton review & photos OK, it might be a bit late in the day for this but, my Brighton review and some photos are online at last: http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/live_reviews/1102_brighton_uk_fk.html & some more photos: http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/live_reviews/1102_brighton_uk_fk2.html Fergus "No room to move, no room for doubt" _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:28:46 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Bowery Electric >>>Not quite sure what went wrong with their piss-poor 3rd LP, which sounds like Morcheeba-Lite Car-Advert music that even Moby would baulk at. It might not be as great as the first two albums but its nowhere near as boring as Moby It was a bit disappointing considering how their preceding Peel session suggested they'd manage to do a Beat style d'n'b thing, and then the album seemed to get a bit too slick & generic... but the last track is great (just as long as you can forget how much better the track they did for Peel that it devolved from was). Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:47:49 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? >>>Can't wait to see Low in a few weeks time in Manchester. Tiny venue accordingto my son. Obviously some of us have very different ideas of what a tiny venue is. Low's first gig in Manchester was at the Briton's Protection which has a capacity of 30 (comfortably seated), about 50 without the chairs and tables and where I put on a Labradford / Stars of the Lid gig where something like 100 people squeezed in. Low are playing the University which has a capacity of 400 in the 'tiny' upstairs room. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:36:52 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Atmosphere >>>later based on fun?? i hadn't noticed that before. is that the only lyric changed? Only one I noticed >>>i agree about not trying to cover a song that is already perfect, but for some reason this one was a pleasant surprise. Its OK. It'd be impossible to improve on any track from 154 really. Even WIRE couldn't make 40 Versions better (just different), whereas they drastically improved Pink Flag. >>>i don't agree that wire, themselves, should avoid material from their own catalog because they don't think they could recapture teh original atmosphere. There's also the small matter of them needing to be able to play the songs - the 154 tracks are in general harder to play (more complex) then Pink Flag & Chair's Missing numbers. Mr Suit (after the style of ACDC?) didn't really recapture the original atmosphere - seemed like a piss take, whereas the original seems overly exuberant. It's hardly as reliant on atmosphere as A Mutual Friend or Indirect Inquiries though. >>>that doesn't sound very wirey of them. If you haven't got used to WIRE doing whatever the hell they feel like doing, I guess you never will! I don't think its very likely they'll ever play The Fifteenth though Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:27:15 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE Clean Up on The Brain >>>It's nice to see a band wearing decent clothes There is something to be said for bands who wear indecent clothes. If Rockbitch wore decent clothes they probably wouldn't pull much of a crowd... WIRE were all wearing clothes on each of the nine occasions I've seen them perform, but this probably has little to do with Brain readers voting for them in the best live band category of the recent poll, even if Lewis was attired in a natty KREV X T-shirt at the ICA... From annual readers poll of The Brain http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/2002winners.html WIRE got most votes for single or ep 1. Wire - Read & Burn 01 2. Wire - Read & Burn 02 3. Autechre - Gantz Graf 4. Coil - The Remote Viewer 5. Yo La Tengo - Nuclear War 6. Limp - Orion 7. Mzm - green grass of tunnel 8. Missy Elliot - Work it 9. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Yeah Yeah Yeahs 10. Dntel - (This is the dream of) Evan and Chan 11. Kid 606 - Why I Love Life 12. Savath and Savalas - Rolls and Waves 13. Gold Chains - Straight From Your Radio 14. I Am Spoonbender - Shown Actual Size 15. Coil - Winter Solstoce Bonus CDR 99.9 was voted 10th best song and WIRE were also voted 10th band of the year, 11th best live show The dismal third most irritating band Interpol are voted as band with fourth most irritating fans, most over-rated band, biggest scam act and in typically schizoid fashion, best new band... Suicide and Soft Cell are voted to have made worse comebacks than the Sex Pistols and Al Gore (!) The Brain Poll reminds me that I really must hear the Hrvatski albums soon... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Calla - Televise (www.callamusic.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:04:39 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? > >>>Can't wait to see Low in a few weeks time in Manchester. Tiny venue > accordingto my son. > > Obviously some of us have very different ideas of what a tiny venue is. > Low are playing the University which has a capacity of 400 in the 'tiny' > upstairs room. I'll spank my son when I see him then. Although it's smaller than the other two Uni venues (and The Academy II is fairly small IMO), it's obviously very big really. I'll get me dressing gown. Keith PS So are you going too, Bill? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:24:43 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Wobble-y gigs I'm quite tempted to see Jah Wobble later this month at The Band on the Wall in Manchester. He's doing three sets, including a Phillip Jeck collaboration. I like Jeck so I'm quite interested to see him in Dub with Mr Wobble. Not really familar with JW's recent solo stuff, and never seen him live. Can anyone recommend? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:06:35 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Wobble-y gigs In a message dated 1/17/03 7:26:25 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > I'm quite tempted to see Jah Wobble later this month at The Band on the Wall > in Manchester. He's doing three sets, including a Phillip Jeck > collaboration. I like Jeck so I'm quite interested to see him in Dub with > Mr > Wobble. > Not really familar with JW's recent solo stuff, and never seen him live. > Can > anyone recommend?>>> i can't say that i know much about Jah Wobble's recent activities but if you have the chance to go see Philip Jeck..GO!!!!! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:06:34 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? Keith Wrote > >>>Can't wait to see Low in a few weeks time in Manchester. Tiny venue > accordingto my son. Graeme Rowland (The Gareth Keenan of IdealCopy) wrote: > > Obviously some of us have very different ideas of what a tiny venue is. Some of us have very different ideas to you, period (or 'Full Stop' as we say in Engarland Vurgleland) Shame on you Keith for not having a son with an extensive knowledge of the capacity of obscure Mancunian music venues. >Low's > first gig in Manchester was at the Briton's Protection which has a capacity of > 30 (comfortably seated) The perfect size for elitists......(I SAW IT FIRST! ITS MINE!!!) , about 50 without the chairs and tables and where I > put on a Labradford / Stars of the Lid gig where something like 100 people > squeezed in. This sounds like reverse/inverse-snobbery one-up/downsmanship. "I saw Vladislav Delay in a telephone kiosk once...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:23:56 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "wirey" Atmosphere snippet of me: >wirey of them. snippet of graeme: >If you haven't got used to WIRE doing whatever the hell they feel like >doing, that's exactly what i mean... them being their wirey selves and not avoiding doing an old song because it may not recreate the atmosphere of the original. maybe i misinterpreted the quote i responded to with that? >I don't think its very likely they'll ever play >The Fifteenth >though i know :o( i just wish i might see/hear it live once a new drill would be fine too :o) - -paul c.d. n.p. my own comps featuring: victrola!, saeta, walkmen, plenum, gavagai, conjoint, matt wellins, never was, the rain and the sidewalk, summersault, walden zanin, aiffhead, voicechanger, kovacs, the mooney suzuki, taxi driver, bitmoth, sunny in chernobyl, white glove test, sorry kevin, mogwai, chris carter, bellows, a dim halo, mahogany, disinterested, clem snide, dj spooky, melikka, severed heads, diviner, readymade, new age radio, obadia, walltapper, | head | phone | over | tone |, shira, red house painters, and things in herds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:28:30 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Low in a Tiny Venue? 30 seats or 400, aren't those both considered small venues? the small venues in ny hold about 400, the "really very big" ones (clubs) hold over 1000, like irving plaza where wire played (about 1200 i think). how can bands afford to play (or clubs afford to host) when only 50 tickets can be sold? - -paul (that was an honest question) c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #16 ******************************