From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #422 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 20 2002 Volume 05 : Number 422 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 [Bo Krogsgaard ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 ["Jan Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Too Much Of A Good Thing [rayographique ] [idealcopy] Re: Top Ten [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten (with Wire content) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy ["dan bailey" ] Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] This List is Big Enough for all of us! ["Tim" Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy I saw the first 10 hours when they screened all the first weeks on the sunday,got it all taped,may watch 2nd half over christmas,but don't usualy watch t.v,only thing i'm currently watching is 24,but then the new Farscape starts this friday.........when i'm off to see the two towers.aaaaah good ol' science fiction,where would we be without it? I suspect that,like stephen king productions,taken will 'whimp out' towaard the end. Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/18/02 7:42:18 PM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > And has anyone seen that new Spielberg alien thing yet? you mean taken? i taped all 20 hours and don't know when i'll have the time to view it. the few moments i caught while setting up the vcr looked very good. the above comment "very good" comes from someone who watches zero tv series, movies, mini series, etc., and only tunes in to cooking and home improvement shows, auction shows and the like, the occasional music video that catches my interest (when such things are actually being shown on music channels) and of course...cartoons. :o) - -paul c.d. n.p. vitesse- you win again. gravity! i still don't hear much wire in there. maybe just a touch of 80's rhythmically (aheadish, bingoesque, almost manscapelike) on a couple of tracks. and the guitar chords ring a teensy weencie bit of early wire on one track and 80's wire on another. had they not mentioned the influence i wouldn't have picked up on it consciously at all, but since they did... Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:45:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O:T Fwd: All Tomorrow's Parties News All Tomorrows Parties wrote:From: "All Tomorrows Parties" To: Subject: All Tomorrow's Parties News Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:58:43 -0000 Dear ATP friends, Some news just in.. - -PUBLIC ENEMY CONFIRM FOR ATP UK - - HAPPY XMAS - -ATP LOS ANGELES LINE UP - -FOUNDATION SHOWS ON SALE IN THE UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- PUBLIC ENEMY CONFIRM FOR ATP UK We are proud to announce that Public Enemy are joining the extensive list of live acts and DJ'S playing at ATP UK curated by Autcehre. The event is at Camber Sands on April 4-6 2003 and tickets are going fast. The line up will include Chuck D, Flavour Flav, Professor Griff, Lord Aswod and S1W's. Also joining the DJ ranks will by Strictly Kev and a full line up of bands and DJ's will be on the site very shortly. HAPPY XMAS I would also like to wish all the ATP subscribers a Happy Xmas and a prosperous new year and I would like to thank all of you for all your valuable support throughout this year. ATP LOS ANGELES LINE UP The tickets for ATP Los Angeles will be on sale in Mid January and this down to a couple of contracting details that need to be finalised and will be available through the ATP website www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk. Details of ticket pricing and venues will be revealed shortly. The Line up for the Matt Groening event is still being booked but the following acts have all confirmed to play at the event in June next summer. And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The Dead. Bangs Blonde Redhead Boredoms Brave Combo Breeders Neko Case Coldcut Danielson Famile The Fall Daniel Johnston Jah Wobble The Magic Band The Melvins w/ Cameron Jamie Melt Banana Ooioo Moris Teper Yo La Tengo 5 BERTHS HAVE NEARLY ALL GONE There are no 5 berths left via the website for the weekend. The only outlet that has 5 berths left and not many is Ticketline on + 44-(0)161-832-1111 or www.ticketline.co.uk. With the 8 berths already sold, it won't be long before the 4 or 6's go and we will be virtually sold out. This is not to wind you up, just to give you a gentle reminder so you don't leave it too late. I quite like the fact that some of you are writing to ask me if the tickets are selling fast or if I am winding you up. So for the record - it is selling fast and you should book soon as to avoid disappointment. NEW FOUNDATION SHOWS THAT MAY INTEREST YOU? 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Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten (with Wire content) - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > > Anything to do with that annoying half-hour > drone at the end? > > am I the only person who likes that last track? > > keith > > np 'that last track' not in the least i think it provides a very good endpoing and possibly an interesting 'jumping-off' for the next album i am quite enamoured of the entire album derivetive as all get-out but from all my favorite references - the drone being yet another cheers Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:29:56 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten (with Wire content) > actually, i like the last track...it's just the rest of the of the album that > i can't seem to warm up to... > > RL I know what you mean, Robert. I like the album, but after having seen them support SY I just expected it to be better. It lacks power IMO - they were vicious live - and there's something a wee bit 80's about the clattery percussion. This wouldn't normally be a hindrance to me liking something, I just feel The Liars would benefit from a more direct approach. But hey...don't get me wrong. I do actually like it. Keith (who refuses to work out his fave records of the year when there's still nearly 2 wks left - well you never know!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten (with Wire content) - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > ... there's something a wee bit 80's about the clattery > percussion. gee - you think so? what about the andy gill guitars mark stewart vocals general pop group rhythm section feel ??????? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:48:26 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Sparks/bitching << >Andrew (now listening to the hilarious/insane Faith No More vs Sparks >version of "This Town..." on Radio 1) >> It is indeed off Plagiarism, which was conceptualised as a tribute album but ended up as remixes with guests. < Subject: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 I just got my TG box set yesterday. Lots of cool stuff in there. Now I need to find the time to listen. Does anyone know if there is another band who have more cds in their box set? Cheers, MM ===== /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:13:16 +0100 (CET) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Monochromatic Man wrote: > Does anyone know if there is another band who have > more cds in their box set? Merzbow did a 50 CD box set, didn't he? b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:43:28 +0100 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 I believe the Merzbow - Merzbox contains 50 ceedees > I just got my TG box set yesterday. Lots of cool stuff > in there. Now I need to find the time to listen. > > Does anyone know if there is another band who have > more cds in their box set? > > Cheers, > MM > > ===== > /\/\/\ { . . } -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Too Much Of A Good Thing TVPow released a 50CD-R Spindle Set last year. - --- Monochromatic Man wrote: > I just got my TG box set yesterday. Lots of cool > stuff > in there. Now I need to find the time to listen. > > Does anyone know if there is another band who have > more cds in their box set? > > Cheers, > MM > > ===== > /\/\/\ { . . } > /\ > -- -bollocks! (R)GWS > Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:56:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG25 > >>Does anyone know if there is another band who have > more cds in their box set?<< Yep. Merzbow. 50. Fifty. Five-oh. The mind boggles, and would indeed be boggled after 50 hours of Merzbow... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:00:55 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG24 On the subject of TG, I visited the TG24 Exhibition in London a couple of weeks ago. A smal two-room show of memorabiolia, snapshots, TG uniforms etc. Highlight was the Gristleizer - Peter Chritopherson's home-made tape-based sampler, on display in a glass case. Then it was off to the ICA for an evening of Richard H Kirk. An industrial day was had by one and all. It was cold It rained. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:48:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - TG24 > An industrial day was had by one and all. > > It was cold > > It rained. > > Mark And you wore a long mac ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:49:04 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Top Ten >From: Bart van Damme >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten > >> I thought I'd start this ... > >> 1. Sonic Youth: Murray Street > >> 2. Mats Gustafson, Jim O'Rourke, and Thurston Moore: Diskaholics Anonymous >> Trio > >> 9. Lee Ranaldo: Outside My Window ... > > >Let me guess Michael, you're a SY fan? ;-) > >Bart Oh ... they're OK .... :) You missed one--Thurston and Jim are on the Niblock (although you can't tell that it's them, and I'm a Niblock person anyway ...). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:00:40 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten (with Wire content) > --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > ... there's something a wee bit 80's about the > clattery percussion. > > gee - you think so? Ooh! You can take that sarcastic tone from your voice as well! > what about the andy gill guitars > mark stewart vocals > general pop group rhythm section feel > ??????? The difference is I haven't got a problem with the guitar or vocal sound. Not so sure about the Pop Group influence, but then I was never *that* much of a fan (apart from the obvious tracks) - if that's the case, it might explain why I don't like the percussive side of the Liars album so much. They should get rid of the lame rat-a-tat-tat and ROCK! IMO ; ) But obviously, you're right about the Gill-like gtr. Whatever, it'll still be in my top 20 LP's of the year... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:53:27 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [only slightly OT] Khnopff / Blaggers >> That's me, mr. OT! ;-) >> Good to find another admirer Frederik. You're from Danmark right? So it >> seems you'll be able to visit the exhibition without too much trouble. > argh... no money & no time & no impetus! Priorities doctor Jensen, priorities... >> To reconnect to music, I suppose one could say he's the This Mortal Coil [or >> DCD] of painters, don't you think? > as for a parallel in music, actually im not so sure about either tmc or dcd: > dcd strive for some perfection found beyond our own petty time... > but the vocals of lisa gerrard sure can sound like some archaic background > found in at least one khnopff painting Wich one do you mean? I suppose for me it's the zenlike serenity of TMC and FK what made me put the two together... just an association. > but there is nothing tragic about tmc They're indeed a cheerfull bunch: "There's no light at the end of it all Let's all sit down and cry There's no light at the beginning Let's all sit down and cry" > so, where does one find somebody distinguished, but utterly obsessed with > painting his sister? i dont know.... You haven't heard this from me, but from what I've read he wasn't just obsessed with his sister in a painterly fashion. ;-) > i think the parallel to khnopff would have to be some two faced joker, both > serious and wacky, beautiful and ghostly... Hmmm, where I was comparing the athmos in the paintings you seem to compare his persona. Ok, Frank "Nimrod's Son" Black perhaps? > now who could that be? how about the eg lewis found on "pre>he" and "hail"? or > maybe the song "what do you see" from manscape: So, what's Lewis' sister called then? ;-) > "look to the right/ fields on fire/ look to the left/ what can you see?/ a > mint green bathroom/ a wall less house/" Yeah, but WHO set the fields on fire? Here's a little insight from the official Graham Lewis site [or Lord Blagthorp, Blaggers to his friends] http://www.grahamlewis.com "when i was about 13 me and a couple of my mates went camping and tecking for a week with no adults. well about two days in we bought sum lighters and matches. as we were traveling we found a really dry grass field. we decided that cos there were these little tuffts of gras on mounds we would have sum fun. so i went on to the tuffts setting fire to them and my 2 mates would stamp on them to put them out so i went round setting fire to these mounds and my mates were stamping on them but they werent totaly puting them out. we went all the way round the field doing this. we soon realised that the whole FIELD was ON FIRE so we legged it. when we got home (this is the best bit) i was sitting to dinner with my mum and she showed me the article in the paper about it. then she said and i quote "im glad you boys arnt like that" "There were no walls in the dome, no place for Billy to hide. The MINT GREEN BATHROOM fixtures were right out in the open. Billy got off his lounge chair now, went into the bathroom and took a leak. The crowd went wild." "A WALL-LESS HOUSE may be romantic, but it's not practical, especially in a world of crime and foul weather" > or should the question perhaps be: who makes pre surrealistic music today? Isn't that a bit of a paradox as we're living in post surrealistic times? But I swear I could hear Leonard Cohen singing the Outdoor Miner just now. > ps. oh! and i was also surprised about the small size of those paintings i saw > somewhere in brussels a long time ago.... do you perhaps know of any _large_ > canvasses by him? I found this odd with lots of paintings I saw as reproductions first. Last summer e.g. it was great to see the Tate Modern's Rothko paintings live and in real size. But I bet you've seen Khnopff's Memories when you were in Brussels [Musies Royaux des Beaux-Arts de Belgique], a large pastel of 127 x 200 cm [had to look that one up] http://artmagick.com/paintings/painting161.aspx What this link does not tell that it was his sister he painted 7 times on the same canvas here. Haven't seen too many other live ones yet, ... not untill the coming Groningen exhibition that is, wich I'll tell you all about untill you turn green with envy Frederik and untill I've bored the rest of you out of your pants. Bartman's cape ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:12:45 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Niblock >> Let me guess Michael, you're a SY fan? ;-) > Oh ... they're OK .... :) > You missed one--Thurston and Jim are on the Niblock (although you can't > tell that it's them, and I'm a Niblock person anyway ...). Haven't heard of Niblock before, but I'm curious to hear what it's like. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:49:37 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy ah, not solaris (which come to think of it may not be spielberg-connected at all ... can't say i've paid much attention to the advance publicity other than to note that george clooney stars), but taken. watched all 20 hours -- pretty decent, though of course there's little reason that it couldn't have lasted, say, about the length of a normal movie. as a ufo buff from age 10 or so, i appreciated certain touches (that i won't go into so as to avoid spoilerization, though i will note that an opening for sequel was certainly left at the end). was also nice to see eric close, considering his roswellian role in nbc's late lamented dark skies back in the mid-'90s. dan >I saw the first 10 hours when they screened all the first weeks on the sunday,got it all taped,may watch 2nd half over christmas,but don't usualy watch t.v,only thing i'm currently watching is 24,but then the new Farscape starts this friday.........when i'm off to see the two towers.aaaaah good ol' science fiction,where would we be without it? >I suspect that,like stephen king productions,taken will 'whimp out' towaard the end. > Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/18/02 7:42:18 PM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > >> And has anyone seen that new Spielberg alien thing yet? > >you mean taken? i taped all 20 hours and don't know when i'll have the time >to view it. the few moments i caught while setting up the vcr looked very >good. > >the above comment "very good" comes from someone who watches zero tv series, >movies, mini series, etc., and only tunes in to cooking and home improvement >shows, auction shows and the like, the occasional music video that catches my >interest (when such things are actually being shown on music channels) and of >course...cartoons. :o) > >-paul c.d. > >n.p. vitesse- you win again. gravity! > >i still don't hear much wire in there. maybe just a touch of 80's >rhythmically (aheadish, bingoesque, almost manscapelike) on a couple of >tracks. and the guitar chords ring a teensy weencie bit of early wire on one >track and 80's wire on another. had they not mentioned the influence i >wouldn't have picked up on it consciously at all, but since they did... >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:29:31 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy Thanks to Dan, Ari and Paul for the Taken reviews - it's on over here shortly so I suppose it'll take over my life for a while (interesting that Ari and Paul say they don't watch much TV but taped 20 hours of this!). Yeah, Solaris is the Soderbergh alien thing. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:49 AM Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy > ah, not solaris (which come to think of it may not be spielberg-connected at > all ... can't say i've paid much attention to the advance publicity other > than to note that george clooney stars), but taken. watched all 20 hours -- > pretty decent, though of course there's little reason that it couldn't have > lasted, say, about the length of a normal movie. > > as a ufo buff from age 10 or so, i appreciated certain touches (that i won't > go into so as to avoid spoilerization, though i will note that an opening > for sequel was certainly left at the end). was also nice to see eric close, > considering his roswellian role in nbc's late lamented dark skies back in > the mid-'90s. > > dan > > >I saw the first 10 hours when they screened all the first weeks on the > sunday,got it all taped,may watch 2nd half over christmas,but don't usualy > watch t.v,only thing i'm currently watching is 24,but then the new Farscape > starts this friday.........when i'm off to see the two towers.aaaaah good > ol' science fiction,where would we be without it? > >I suspect that,like stephen king productions,taken will 'whimp out' towaard > the end. > > Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/18/02 7:42:18 PM, > steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > > > >> And has anyone seen that new Spielberg alien thing yet? > > > >you mean taken? i taped all 20 hours and don't know when i'll have the time > >to view it. the few moments i caught while setting up the vcr looked very > >good. > > > >the above comment "very good" comes from someone who watches zero tv > series, > >movies, mini series, etc., and only tunes in to cooking and home > improvement > >shows, auction shows and the like, the occasional music video that catches > my > >interest (when such things are actually being shown on music channels) and > of > >course...cartoons. :o) > > > >-paul c.d. > > > >n.p. vitesse- you win again. gravity! > > > >i still don't hear much wire in there. maybe just a touch of 80's > >rhythmically (aheadish, bingoesque, almost manscapelike) on a couple of > >tracks. and the guitar chords ring a teensy weencie bit of early wire on > one > >track and 80's wire on another. had they not mentioned the influence i > >wouldn't have picked up on it consciously at all, but since they did... > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy Only because I watch sci fi...........has anyone seen solaris and is it worth seeing (the critics seem mixed on this)(only one of me)Ari Keith Knight wrote:Thanks to Dan, Ari and Paul for the Taken reviews - it's on over here shortly so I suppose it'll take over my life for a while (interesting that Ari and Paul say they don't watch much TV but taped 20 hours of this!). Yeah, Solaris is the Soderbergh alien thing. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:49 AM Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy > ah, not solaris (which come to think of it may not be spielberg-connected at > all ... can't say i've paid much attention to the advance publicity other > than to note that george clooney stars), but taken. watched all 20 hours -- > pretty decent, though of course there's little reason that it couldn't have > lasted, say, about the length of a normal movie. > > as a ufo buff from age 10 or so, i appreciated certain touches (that i won't > go into so as to avoid spoilerization, though i will note that an opening > for sequel was certainly left at the end). was also nice to see eric close, > considering his roswellian role in nbc's late lamented dark skies back in > the mid-'90s. > > dan > > >I saw the first 10 hours when they screened all the first weeks on the > sunday,got it all taped,may watch 2nd half over christmas,but don't usualy > watch t.v,only thing i'm currently watching is 24,but then the new Farscape > starts this friday.........when i'm off to see the two towers.aaaaah good > ol' science fiction,where would we be without it? > >I suspect that,like stephen king productions,taken will 'whimp out' towaard > the end. > > Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/18/02 7:42:18 PM, > steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > > > >> And has anyone seen that new Spielberg alien thing yet? > > > >you mean taken? i taped all 20 hours and don't know when i'll have the time > >to view it. the few moments i caught while setting up the vcr looked very > >good. > > > >the above comment "very good" comes from someone who watches zero tv > series, > >movies, mini series, etc., and only tunes in to cooking and home > improvement > >shows, auction shows and the like, the occasional music video that catches > my > >interest (when such things are actually being shown on music channels) and > of > >course...cartoons. :o) > > > >-paul c.d. > > > >n.p. vitesse- you win again. gravity! > > > >i still don't hear much wire in there. maybe just a touch of 80's > >rhythmically (aheadish, bingoesque, almost manscapelike) on a couple of > >tracks. and the guitar chords ring a teensy weencie bit of early wire on > one > >track and 80's wire on another. had they not mentioned the influence i > >wouldn't have picked up on it consciously at all, but since they did... > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O:T Fw: Pre-Reggae Tape of Bob Marley Is Found and Put on Auction Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: Pre-Reggae Tape of Bob Marley Is Found and Put on Auction > Pre-Reggae Tape of Bob Marley Is Found and Put on Auction > By JESSE McKINLEY > > > Sometime in the spring of 1968, a lanky, clean-cut 23-year-old Jamaican > arrived at an apartment on Valentine Avenue in the Bronx with a guitar and a > future no one could have possibly imagined. > > He was Bob Marley, who eventually sold tens of millions of albums and built > reggae into an international musical movement but who at this point was dead > set on learning the mysteries of rhythm and blues. To that end he had gone > to the Bronx to sit at the heels of Jimmy Norman, then a 31-year-old > composer and crooner who had written dozens of hit songs for the singer and > producer Johnny Nash. Mr. Nash had just signed Marley to his record label, > JAD Records. > > "He was just a nice young guy who loved music," Mr. Norman recalled. "He > loved the Impressions, and he loved James Brown." > > The two men, along with Marley's wife, Rita, and Mr. Norman's writing > partner, Al Pyfrom, jammed for the next three days. Then Mr. Norman set up a > tape recorder and recorded 24 minutes of music onto a cassette that soon > disappeared. > > It was not played again for 34 years, during which time Marley become a > global superstar and died of cancer at 36 in 1981. Forgotten by Mr. Norman, > the tape remained in a box of cassettes in his apartment on the Upper West > Side until it was discovered last June by a volunteer from the Jazz > Foundation of America who was cleaning the place. > > The tape, which Mr. Norman has put up for auction on Friday at Christie's, > has eight songs sung by Marley - five written by him and three by Mr. Norman > and Mr. Pyfrom. It documents a rare moment in the artist's development, a > period just before reggae and Marley himself began to gain popularity. > > "I'm a pack rat, I can't find nothing in my apartment," Mr. Norman said. "I > thought it was just trash. I almost recorded over it." > > Roger Steffens, a Marley expert and the founding editor of The Beat, the > reggae and worldbeat magazine, said: "This was Marley at the birth of > reggae. He was trying everything in the first years of his career he could > to have a major hit. He saw this as a way to put himself in somebody's else > hands and who could guide him to American chart success." > > While other early Marley demos exist and have even been released on > compilations, Mr. Norman's tape is a rarity, Mr. Steffens said, because > "they are pop influenced rather than reggae influenced." > > Considering its age and neglect, the tape sounds clear, as does Marley's > voice. Marley played guitar, while Mr. Norman played an upright piano and > sang backup. Rita Marley can also be heard singing backup, with Mr. Norman's > ex-wife, Dorothy. Mr. Norman recorded on a standard cassette recorder in > late afternoon, after a long day of playing. There was also, Mr. Norman > said, some drug use. > > "Bob introduced me to spliff," he said, using the Jamaican lingo for > marijuana. > > What is strange, especially for those accustomed to his reggae, is the style > in which Marley sings. On one track, "Stay With Me," Marley sings in an > almost doo-wop style; on another "Splish for My Splash," he appropriates the > slow love song style of 1960's artists like Sam Cooke. > > What stands out on all eight songs, however, is Marley's voice. > > "He didn't sound like anybody else," Mr. Norman said. > > Officials at Christie's say that the tape is expected to bring $10,000 to > $15,000, though the buyer will get only the tape, not the rights to the > eight songs, all of which were later recorded and released in more polished > form. > > Mr. Norman said that the session was considered such a success that he went > to Jamaica and spent eight months supervising the recording of dozens of > other songs, many of which he wrote for Marley. Some of them have been > included in other Marley albums and show the increased influence of "rock > steady," a precursor to reggae, in Marley's sound. > > It was a time of artistic ferment that Mr. Norman remembers fondly. But > after leaving Jamaica, Mr. Norman saw Marley only once more, shortly before > his death. "He looked like the weight of the world was on his shoulders," > Mr. Norman said. "He said, `I wish we were back in Trench Town, going > swimming.' " > > Mr. Norman's decision to sell the tape is practical. He had a heart attack > last year and is in poor physical and financial health. A member of the > Coasters, the doo-wop cutup group from the early 1970's to 1998, Mr. Norman > had to stop touring because of his health. > > Wendy Oxenhorn, executive director of the Jazz Foundation of America, which > helps infirm or housebound musicians, said that discoveries like the Marley > tape were not uncommon. > > "We had one guy who used to play with Miles Davis and found boxes full of > original sheet music and recordings," she said. "We've brainwashed > volunteers not to throw anything out." > > Mr. Norman said he had several dozen other tapes that he suspected might > have Marley material. In 1996 he gave a JAD Records founder, Danny Sims, > several tapes on which he and Marley played. They were released as part of > "Soul Almighty," an album focused on Marley's formative years. > > Whitney Broussard, an entertainment lawyer who has handled many music > copyright cases, said that for a record from the tape to be released, a > series of rights issues would have to be resolved, like obtaining permission > from the owner of the copyrights on the songs and from the Marley estate. A > call to the London lawyer for the Bob Marley estate was not returned. > > Even the Marley tape up for sale might have additional material, Mr. Norman > said. > > "I don't remember what's on the other side of the tape," Mr. Norman said. "I > just got so caught up in listening to that one side." Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Niblock Best sci-fi movie since Blade Runner?Dark City (with Keifer Sutherland) if ya ain't seen it go buy the vid/dvd,you won't regret it.Ari Bart van Damme wrote:>> Let me guess Michael, you're a SY fan? ;-) > Oh ... they're OK .... :) > You missed one--Thurston and Jim are on the Niblock (although you can't > tell that it's them, and I'm a Niblock person anyway ...). Haven't heard of Niblock before, but I'm curious to hear what it's like. Bart Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:59:21 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: taken/vitesse was:[idealcopy] that alien thingy In a message dated 12/19/02 2:29:41 PM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: >Thanks to Dan, Ari and Paul for the Taken reviews - it's on over here > >shortly so I suppose it'll take over my life for a while (interesting that > >Ari and Paul say they don't watch much TV but taped 20 hours of this!). and that's why my comment was that i don't know when i'll ever get to watch it! :o\ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:14:17 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] This List is Big Enough for all of us! > << >Andrew (now listening to the hilarious/insane Faith No More vs Sparks > >version of "This Town..." on Radio 1) >> > > It is indeed off Plagiarism, which was conceptualised as a tribute album but > ended up as remixes with guests. Can I just say at this point that This Town....by Sparks is one of my favourite songs ever. Something for the girl with everything also. And Get in the swing. I bloody love Sparks! This list IS big enough for Me and Bill Hick............ > > <