From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #417 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, December 15 2002 Volume 05 : Number 417 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire sadly) ["Keith ] Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/Paul Morley ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Send -- broken flag resurrection'n'fire dances ["Bill Hick" <] [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Send -- broken flag resurrection'n'fire dances ["Keith As] [idealcopy] Aging 'Punks' Hit My Fave North Wales Seaside Resort ["Keith ] Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/walking ["Ian B" ] RE: [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coleman Falls ["Gary Owens" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/walking ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire sadly) Rough Trade shops have released their albums of the year list which is here: 1 james yorkston moving up country 2 the polyphonic spree the beginning stages ofS 3 breeders title tk 4 queens of the stone age songs for the deaf 5 the streets original pirate material 6 beth gibbons and rustin' man out of season 7 tom waits blood money 8 the boggs we are the boggs we are 9 boom bip seed to sun 10 wilco yankee hotel foxtrot 11 lambchop is a woman 12= the bees sunshine hit me 12= beth orton daybreaker 14 badly drawn boy about a boy - soundtrack 15= the be good tanyas blue horse 15= pretty girls make graves good health 15= tom waits alice 15= ben kweller sha sha 19= akufen my way 19= barry adamson the king of nothing hill A remarkably high showing for The Breeders IMO. I've just borrowed The Bees album out of the library and can't see what the fuss is about - I can't help feeling that the fact they come from the Isle of Wight (which is not renowned for its musical heritage) has over-impressed people. Rather like last year's over-praise for Mull Historical Society (who come, unsurprisingly, from Mull). Enough of this island rock! And as for Beth Orton, she's always in top album lists. Why?? Dull as dishwater - and I like folky singer-songwriters generally. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:28:20 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/Paul Morley > > They walked in lines, they walked in lines, they walked lines, they walked > > in lines.... > > > > Altogether now! > > Bill Hick would say "I've never heard of that one...I've heard of 'They > Walked in LINE' though". Oops. Put it down to tiredness / forgetfulness / stupidity. (delete as you see fit) > But I'm not Bill Hick. It was a good impersonation though ; ) > From the window of the 1656 to Chester, I watched Paul Morely do several > takes, miming to the actual soundtrack of the film, mouthing words and > moving his hands to suggest he was saying something very profound.... Paul says a lot of profound things doesn't he! He seems to have becomes Britains number one talking head. There is barely a retrospective programme on TV that doesn't - at some point - feature Mr Morley's musings. Mind you, he does it very well... Keith NP Richard Ashcroft - Human Condition ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:16 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire sadly) > Rough Trade shops have released their albums of the year list which is here: > > 1 james yorkston moving up country Saw James Yorkston supporting McAlmont & Butler. Thought he was rubbish at first, but he got better. Got a feeling that his quiet acoustic stuff (with dbl bass and tasteful backing vocs) would work better on record. > Rather like > last year's over-praise for Mull Historical Society (who come, > unsurprisingly, from Mull). Enough of this island rock! A bloke I know was telling me that he takes his family to a small, very basic cottage in his some woodland on Mull for his hols, and that one day his 6 yr old was watching MTV when he said 'Dad. That's where we go on our hos'. As it was just woodland, dad nodded and said 'Yes son' in that weary way we tend to use. Next thing there was a close up of the cottage and footage of them inside that very same one. He couldn't believe it. It was of course MHS... > And as for Beth > Orton, she's always in top album lists. Why?? Dull as dishwater - and I > like folky singer-songwriters generally. I know what you mean. I loved one of her early singles (Touch Me With Your Love), but my son has got a couple of albums and a lot of them are yawnsome. Still, I bet she feels sick about how the inferior Dido has taken what she does, changed very little and sold millions... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire sadly) - --- Keith Knight wrote: > Rough Trade shops have released their albums of the > year list which is here: ... > 19= akufen my way ... This one did not stand up all that well to repeated listenings - I suggest that Murcof's Martes disc, which came out in very close timeframe, is far more interesting and engaging in the longterm. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:45:47 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/Paul Morley Agreed. Never used to think that way about him though. Read an excellent article on The Coral in a recent edition of The Big Issue by him. Suffice to say he is not a fan. John >He seems to have becomes Britains number one talking head. There is barely >a >retrospective programme on TV that doesn't - at some point - feature Mr >Morley's musings. Mind you, he does it very well... > >Keith > >NP Richard Ashcroft - Human Condition _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:51:51 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire sadly) You have to remember that just like any other rag/DJ/journalist/record emporium Rough Trade Shop will always champion their friends' bands or bands managed/promoted by friends. I'm not having a go here but it never ceases to amaze how people seem to regard RT as somehow impartial/beyond the dictates of the music industry. They do run/own Wiiija Record Label for starters. Obviously Paul Smith must have done or said something. I can't think of any other reason why R&Bs aren't in there. What label is Beth Orton on? John 'once made redundant by Rough Trade Distribution but no sour grapes, honest guv' Roberts http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Keith Knight" , "Idealcopy" > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Shops albums of the year (no Wire >sadly) >Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:16 -0000 > > > Rough Trade shops have released their albums of the year list which is >here: > > > > 1 james yorkston moving up country > >Saw James Yorkston supporting McAlmont & Butler. Thought he was rubbish at >first, but he got better. Got a feeling that his quiet acoustic stuff (with >dbl bass and tasteful backing vocs) would work better on record. > > > Rather like > > last year's over-praise for Mull Historical Society (who come, > > unsurprisingly, from Mull). Enough of this island rock! > >A bloke I know was telling me that he takes his family to a small, very >basic cottage in his some woodland on Mull for his hols, and that one day >his 6 yr old was watching MTV when he said 'Dad. That's where we go on our >hos'. As it was just woodland, dad nodded and said 'Yes son' in that weary >way we tend to use. Next thing there was a close up of the cottage and >footage of them inside that very same one. He couldn't believe it. It was >of >course MHS... > > > > And as for Beth > > Orton, she's always in top album lists. Why?? Dull as dishwater - and >I > > like folky singer-songwriters generally. > >I know what you mean. I loved one of her early singles (Touch Me With Your >Love), but my son has got a couple of albums and a lot of them are >yawnsome. >Still, I bet she feels sick about how the inferior Dido has taken what she >does, changed very little and sold millions... > >Keith _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:58:24 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Coleman Falls: Video Death >>>Does anyone remember David Thomas on a late night TV show judging other bands' promo videos? He kept getting up and switching the videos off after a very short time. Recall both Mark E Smith and Jaz Coleman employing a similar tactic, and Jaz had the most vitriolic critiques of all the crap they were making him watch of anyone I've ever seen on TV. Also recall Smash Hits asking KJ circa Love Like Blood for their opinions on other bands in the charts - one band whose name I forget, who were signed to Paul Weller's abortive vanity label, were described as Weller's little cancerous growth. Jaz accurately predicted that the band would very quickly sink without a trace. Jaz also fought a rearguard action against Britpop, commendably cancelling an entire Killing Joke tour in disgust at the retrobore obsessions (well it was probably a convenient excuse). And whats THIS for? The Death and Resurrection Show is the new KJ album's title Jaz, Geordie and Youth are joined by Raven & drummer Ted Parsons (Prong, Swans) Forthcoming tour optimistically titled The End of the World Nice timing, just in time for apocalypse (summer2003) "There was a time that wasn't a time" Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:01:23 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Send -- broken flag resurrection'n'fire dances >>>heck, i hope it's being videotaped! Malka and mystery tall bloke videoed the ICA gig, so I expect Wire will have the cameras out again. >>>and what is 'send'? My guess is its the title for the new album. posteverything confirms this to be true. Does this leave the door open for a remix album which could be called 'Descend'??? WIRE and Killing Joke both back in full on action 03 shaping up nasty'n'noisy just the way it should be --- at last a final nail in the coffin of britpap stodge (End of an Error) Killing Joke are saying their new one is their best album ever, and maybe WIRE will be saying the same thing? At least I can have a blast b4 we all get blown to hell! Tomorrow El Guapo will rock Tmesis Pandys Are Coming Cracked Masschine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:08:22 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE Last night Mild Man Jan and Fibreglass Messiah sailed into educational complex with half a biscuit downstairs and primal screams next door. Synth rockers asked us to take them to our leader, but we had no entities elected. Under the circumstances it might have been polite to ask them if Batman or a former Levitater of the Unutterable would do, but experts in kink mathematics were making too much noise. They made more and more noise. Large Number had Steve Clayden camp fingerpoppin' in angled baseball cap and white boating blazer and cravat combo. Barry 7 had a new old contraption the like of which not seen since reign of Black Regent. This was a stunted imitation guitar with keys and a sensomatic pick up. "Where's Ann?" shouted punters but the band weren't explaining her absence. Later Steve Clayden told us missing Mme Shenton had gone crazy during rehearsals for the tour. In her place were two Fat Truckers. Photographer and former Faith Healer and Stereolabber Joe Dilworth drummed up a storm. It almost fell apart about halfway through when one track failed to catch fire and flopped unfinished to the floor. This was my cue to shout, "12XU!" Whereupon band played Buckminster Fuller and rocked the house. They had a ignition and lifted the Party Bag skyward. Events became a mashed up blur as the quantum loops flashed before our bevvied eyes, but those Metal Fingers In My Body were a blizzard. The Ape was going faster and faster, but Little Black Rocks had been forever lost in the Sun. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Gold Chains - Rock the Parti (for MH) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:46:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send -- broken flag resurrection'n'fire dances > Does this leave the door open for a remix album which could be called > 'Descend'??? Isn't there a club in Manchester called Lime. And the basement room is called, wait for it, Sub-lime... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:00:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Aging 'Punks' Hit My Fave North Wales Seaside Resort OK the common consensus is that The Damned released two great singles and a great adrenaline rush of a debut album. And then it was all downhill from there. And that they ceased to matter in 1976/1977/1978/1979 etc (delete as appropriate) But as someone who loves at least two thirds of the Stooges-do-Panto Machine Gun Etiquette and who adored the goth pop fest of The Black Album, I've never subscribed to that view (though once Sensible left, so did I - figuratively speaking). Anyway, I saw the current version - Sensible, Vanian and his Mrs (Sister of Mercy Patricia Morrison), etc in a small club a couple of years ago, and they were still entertaining in a nostalgic kind of way - opening with New Rose, they played just about every oldie you would expect and new material was kept to a minimum. Last night couldn't have been more different. Playing at a conference hall in Llandudno (North Wales finest seaside resort!), they played a set that was heavily reliant on last years surprisingly decent Grave Disorder, and were probably all the better for it. Sure you still got a few oldies - Neat Neat Neat and I Fall off the mighty debut, that great trilogy of 45's from 1979 (Love Song, Smash It Up Pts 1 & 2, and - dedicated to Liam Gallagher - I Just Can't Be Happy Today!), Disco Man and Nasty - but quite a few live faves were missing. No Wait For The Blackout, no I Feel Alright, no Looking At You and - amazingly - they didn't play one of the greatest singles ever IMO. That's right, no New Rose! (though in a musical equivalent of prick teasing, we got Vanian muttering "Is she really going out with..." over the NR drum beat, before the bastards went into something else. Still we got a two minute version of Happy Talk, so that's OK!!! But whilst they weren't as great as they used to be - although I'd seen them in 1977, it was between '79-'81 that they were just about as good a live band as you could get IMO - they were still as entertaining as you could wish for. Vanian was looking great (the man must have had surgery!), Morrison admirably showed her hefty thighs to the world and there was some curly haired bloke jumping up and down behind the keyboard like a complete knob. But the main man for me was, as always, the good Captain. Few people exude charisma on stage quite like him - and the man's certainly a contradiction. So whilst he looks ridiculous in a kilt and the obligatory red beret, he wears a "Don't Attack Iraq" T-shirt. And though he plays lengthy guitar solo's himself, he takes the piss out of Clapton... But what a showman - I can't help thinking this has been his downfall though. If he wasn't such a dick then people might have given him more credit for his Glad It's All Over pop gems. Still, what I find so entertaining about a bloke in his 40's flashing his arse and grinning at the "Sensible's a wanker" baiting audience, I don't know. But I do! Lowest common denominator stuff maybe, but LCD stuff of the highest order. And sometimes that's great. So The Damned don't matter. So what. Fuck The Datsuns. If you want cartoon Stooges and a good night out - The Damned are still the ones to see... The support act Retalik was terrible BTW. Listening to her mock-operatic wails over some lousy backing tape, seven words kept springing to mind. Rocky Hazel Wilcox Horror Toyah O'Connor Show. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. If I tell you that the best thing about her set was her exposed midriff (sorry ladies!) and watching two young lads attempt some Cossack dancing, you will - if you hadn't already - get the picture! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:01:51 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/walking - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > Paul Morley lost his virginity after a T.Rex gig. Don't ask me why I > remember this. > We'll presume it's not because you played a pivotal role in proceedings Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:23:24 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE Bill caught them the night after me: >> "Where's Ann?" shouted punters but the band weren't explaining >> her absence. "To a place far, far away" was the reply at Oxford. Obviously getting asked at every gig, and wearing the same cravat and hat at jaunty angle. >> This was my cue to shout, "12XU!" Ha. We'd already had it when the DJ played it earlier, plus Warm Leatherette. Sadly made me feel my age. AndyL Tonights gig - Jesses Malin solo set. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:34:33 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Add N to EEEEEEE - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > "Where's Ann?" shouted punters but the band weren't explaining her absence. In Leeds at The Cockpit, the explanation was "She's been photoshopped out" Also "We're Add N to(X) - You're...northern!" Ian B Barbican J24 np My Wife's In Love With A Polar Bear - Punishment of Luxury ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:10:20 -0000 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coleman Falls - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > > And whats THIS for? > > The Death and Resurrection Show > is the new KJ album's title > Forthcoming tour optimistically titled > The End of the World This is very good news indeed, Not sure if they could ever match the those first 3 Lp's though, but I certainly want to hear them try. Should make a very good musical backdrop to the forthcoming military action of carpet-bombing the shit out of a middle-eastern country.. Again. ....music to watch lazer guided weapons exploding into concrete bunkers by..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:13:52 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo freezing/walking > > Paul Morley lost his virginity after a T.Rex gig. Don't ask me why I > > remember this. > > > We'll presume it's not because you played a pivotal role in proceedings > Keith hahahahaha. so THAT'S why I remember it!!! (he was crap btw!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:56:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send -- broken flag resurrection'n'fire dances i asked: >>>>and what is 'send'? graeme replied: >My guess is its the title for the new album. posteverything confirms this >to >be true. >Does this leave the door open for a remix album which could be called >'Descend'??? or resend, or reply, or remixed by others and titled received, then reremixed by wire and titled deceived, or 'descend'! :o) - -another the paul n.p. jd-heart & soul disc 3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:41 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Aging 'Punks' Hit My Fave North Wales Seaside Resort Just had a look on The Damned site about last nights gig and saw this message. JUST COME BACK FROM A FANTASTIC NIGHT IN LLANDUDNO,BUT I MUST SAY WHAT A STRANGE CROWD!?IN THE PIT I THINK WERE THE LOCAL RUGBY TEAM,THEN A GEZZA STUD NEXT TO US SET FIRE TO HIMSELF???I'VE SEEN THE DRUM KIT GO UP IN FLAMES BEFORE BUT NEVER A PUNTER!TOP NIGHT Bloody hell! I didn't see this myself, but I thought it was a mad crowd too. I just thought I was getting old! Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #417 *******************************