From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #411 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, December 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coming Fast - a Classic! ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Fw: Roy Wood but he can't anymore. ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] Classic!s ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Box [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002 [PaulRabjohn@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/OFF TOPIC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002 ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw Mind you, I also like Teenage Fanclub, so my judgement is probably officially suspect - ---------------- I managed to ignore Teenage Fanclub for most of the 90s until Songs From Northern Britain came along and I heard 'Start Again' and 'Ain't that Enough' and was completely bowled over by them - I have a latent Byrds gene (previously activated by Pavement's 'Date with IKEA') and these songs really got it going. I then went to see them live, convincing a bunch of friends who had also managed to avoid them to come with, and they were as dull as dishwater. Go figure. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:41:02 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coming Fast - a Classic! Interesting how views of Wire's best stuff differs so widely among us. If I had to choose six R&B songs from the pack I'd only go for Spent and Art of Stopping among those Bill lists below. I'd add I Don't Understand, Trash/Treasure, Agfers and the blessed Comet. But I'd agree with Bill's last comment. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > > The following are all 'classic' recordings: > > 99.9 > Spent > Germ Ship > Nice Streets > Art of Stopping > Read and Burn > > The rest are pretty good too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic!s oddly enough - drill [for me] was initially - and for some time thereafter - the least interesting wire tune of mach ii obviously i missed the point that said - spent impressed me simmilarly - standing out from the rest of mach iii i concur with the person who likes the 'chugga chugga' of i don't understand maybe there's a dugga contingent and a chugga contingent? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:32:47 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank Title TK doesn't do it for me either - just replayed it to check and it mainly just passes the time. I still think Last Splash is a fine record, however. The Son of Three single came into our house mainly because of the Buffy cover - one of the few things that has the whole family in agreement is the excellence of Buffy. another the Keith NP: Christmas - Low - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco > > I take it you're not partial to the Breeders latest then? > > I'll jump in on this one. Nope - it hasn't grown on me much. (^_^) > > However - it may be Albini's production style here. Very appropriate for > Pod - maybe not so appropriate for this material. > > There's a single of Son Of Three, which has a re-recorded version of that > song that sounds a lot better. The versions are similar, but the > re-recorded version is a tad faster, and just has a better feel. Plus - > the single also has a cover of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer theme. (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:22:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Fw: Roy Wood but he can't anymore. received this from a mate. i'll get back to him, but in the meantime, anyone know more about this? > Did you know that Wire have got a box set out. It was > advertised in RC. I'll get you details if you didn't. > But I doubt it !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:24:25 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Fw: Roy Wood but he can't anymore. On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:22:30PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > received this from a mate. i'll get back to him, but in the meantime, anyone > know more about this? > > > Did you know that Wire have got a box set out. It was > > advertised in RC. I'll get you details if you didn't. > > But I doubt it !!! Possibly the PF / Chairs / 154 threepack? - - Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ 7-9PM Mondays, CUR1350: 1350 MW Cambs. and online - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:41:23 +0100 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Box Can someone confirm that there is a box with the two Dome ceedees together with Duet Emmo released on Mute Grey Area. Someone is offering this item. I have never heard about it's existence. I have the Dome records only on vinyl, so maybe this is a good moment to buy them. My latest Faust - Patchwork the Liars - They threw us all in a trench,,,, Somewhere in januari 2003 Apparat Organ (this time) Quartet on Euro Sonic, Groningen. this evening 5 hours Terry Riley on Dutch Radio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:56:34 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Fw: Roy Wood but he can't anymore. wish I'd have waited before I mentioned this. same mate just sent me this. > Sorry it's Wire magazine on looking closely sorry. DUH! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Fw: Roy Wood but he can't anymore. > received this from a mate. i'll get back to him, but in the meantime, anyone > know more about this? > > > Did you know that Wire have got a box set out. It was > > advertised in RC. I'll get you details if you didn't. > > But I doubt it !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:10:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic!s > maybe there's a dugga contingent and a chugga > contingent? expertly put. I'm a chugger! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:01:41 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Box 
the grey area did release the 3cd box , but i think it was just promos not 
officially sold in shops. however , you could buy the boxes and cover 
stickers seperately and make one up for yourself , which i did. its like a 
dark grey box with a generic grey area sticker on the back and one listing 
the 3 titles on the front. looks nice. probably not out of the question that 
mute mail order still have some , they seem to carry a huge stock. p

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:20:14 EST
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002

In a message dated 12/7/02 1:02:22 AM GMT Standard Time, 
keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes:


> http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml

sorry keith i looked at this and i can't see wire on the schedule. when is 
it? p

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:28:06 EST
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/OFF TOPIC

In a message dated 12/7/02 1:47:49 AM GMT Standard Time, 
timothy.j.robinson@btinternet.com writes:


> But whatever happened to The Comic Strip? Why can't you get The
> Bullshitters, Bad News, The Strike, Five Go Mad in Dorset etc etc on DVD?
> Maybe they are too 80s for 2000s

////i thought the CS were hit or miss (the french & saunders ones were 
rubbish) but i really loved the Bullshitters. not owning a DVD i've never 
looked , but i suspect they'll be out before too long. money to be made etc 
etc p

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:38:20 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002

>>sorry keith i looked at this and i can't see wire on the schedule. when is 
it? p<<

It'll be some time this week, though the sitw won't tell you till the day. 
Then it'll be there fo a week.

My guess is it's something from ATP this year. Can't recall any other Wire in 
concert broadcast on the BBC. Alternatively they might be reobroadcasting the 
R6 session, but that wouldn't be on Dream Ticket.

Mark

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:51:04 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002

- ----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002


> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml
>
> sorry keith i looked at this and i can't see wire on the schedule. when is
> it? p

I dunno. I've just checked myself and had a look as well. I used Wire as a
search and got the article below. But nothing about when they'll be on. The
only thing I can think of is that it just lists one act a night for the rest
of the week when presumably there will be five like the ones in the past -
so perhaps the best thing will be to check later in the week and play it as
an archive (The Sonic Youth one isn't listed either)

Anyway, here's the article I found with a very brief Wire mention. She's got
a point...

Do you remember the first time?
Lucy O'Doherty, Music News Journalist


 This week I was lucky enough to see the wonderful Black Rebel Motorcycle
Club at London's Shepherds Bush Empire. They made so much noise I was
constantly searching for the extra musician I was sure they had hiding
behind the amp stack.

I left the gig in a state of euphoria, won over by their feedback-coated pop
songs, but my joy was tempered slightly by the small number of people
muttering into their bitter that: 'It's all very good and everything, but
they're just a pale imitation of the Jesus And Mary Chain.'

I'm also guilty of loving Interpol's album Turn On The Bright Lights. I know
they're just a poor (read 'younger') man's Joy Division, and I know Joy
Division are one of the most intolerably beautiful bands of the last 50
years, but New Order are getting old and Ian Curtis is dead, OK??

Imagine how great it would be to be 15 and hearing a band like Interpol for
the first time! And isn't it through falling in love with a band then
digging back through their influences, that most people find their way
through the world's vast musical back-catalogue?

When I was first blown away by Elastica, I went on to discover the wonderful
Wire songs they were so often accused of stealing from. I hope young Kinesis
fans going wild for their political stance and rhetoric, will be led on to
discover the Manics (the fact that they're supporting them at Brixton
Academy on Sunday might help .) just as young Manics fans were drawn to the
joys of that band's great influence The Clash.

I know it's probably quite cynical, and I should have more faith in the
future of music, but I really don't believe anyone can ever be truly
original anymore. At least until someone invents a crazy new musical
instrument.

It's nice just to hear new takes on old themes, fresh approaches to tried
and tested attitudes. At least then I won't be constantly disappointed that
it's just another punk revival, another band that sound like the Stones, a
new wave of a new wave.

So will all the unconvinced people at the back please remember their first
Jesus & Mary Chain gig, and the people there moaning: 'It's all very well
and good, but they're not exactly the Velvet Underground .'


Published 06 12 02

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:43:16 EST
From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coming Fast -  a Classic!

graeme about a comet writes:

>t'd be silly to leave it off the
>album, even though I'm sure I'll end up skipping it almost every play.
>That
>one and Raft Ants are the R&B tracks I skip the most.

wow. they're two of the ones i repeat play most!

>Other mixes???

let's hear some :o)

>I'd like to hear Trash/Treasure redone with that daft high chorus erased
>and
>Bruce speaking through a distortion pedal instead.

i love it just the way it is (i also love kidney bingos), but i'd like to 
hear it (and all the album tracks remixed now that you mention it.

>How about a 25min special spatial dronemix of
>Nice Streets?

yes. now yer talkin

>It'd be nice to hear a sped up Spent.

yes! the way it is now, and possibly the main reason it's not among my r&b 
faves, it's almost a dead ringer for a song i wrote about 16 years ago. maybe 
it's just a bit too familiar sounding

tracks i skip most are germ ship and spent...not that i'm a regular at 
skippin tracks, but it has been interesting for me to read all the posts over 
the months now. most copyists seem to like those two best, while they seem to 
be my least favorites. i also like i don't understand a lot. it gets played 
on college radio here too. anyone wanna rank the r&b tracks? a top 12 list? 
:o)

here i go:
trash/treasure
raft ants
nice streets
comet
1st fast
99.9
read and burn
i don't understand
in the art of stopping
agfers of kodack
spent
germ ship

- -another the paul

p.s. i just played germ ship alone (not mid-album as it appears) and i have 
to say it sounds much better not being stuck right in the middle of the six 
tracks. again, it's not that i don't like it (i love all 12 songs), it just 
seemed least memorable when r&b01 was new and getting lots of plays here. the 
other tracks all stuck in my head better. i guess i could say the same for 
spent.

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