From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #410 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, December 8 2002 Volume 05 : Number 410 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [Bart van Damme ] FW: [idealcopy] [OT] Song For The Sick [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Simply (having) ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] Fwd: ab ovo: M-W's Word of the Day [Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > > >>But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned?<< > > I'ts too good to be a lazy Top 10 critics choice forever. What's lazy about placing one of your top 10 albums in your top ten? > (Oh and don't forget the Manic Street Preachers fans...who in between > slashing their arms to bits and listening to some of the most appalling > rockist, bombastic shit ever spewed forth from South Wales, No-one else here ever seems to ever say anything good about the Manics, so I will. A Design For Life was one of the best singles of the 90's. And Motorcycle Emptiness was great, too. There! > e-mail any poll going to ensure that 'The Holy Bible' gets in there). Nice cover, though. > Hence the conservative Top 100 of tedious wankers favourite albums....with > two, yes two albums by the Manic Street Preachers!?!?! > > There is no Wire in there because their fans have better things to do than > vote for the best album ever made in a magazine. What like e-mailing each other here??? > Polls are rubbish. According to this one: Well yes they are. And even though I like lists myself, there's far too many of the buggers these days. What about that recent poll in a woman's magazine. Headline news... "98% of women are liars" (!) Two most common lies. "You're good in bed" and "These shoes only cost a tenner". > 'Jagged Little Pill' by Alanis Morisette is better than 'The Velvet > Underground and Nico', Pet Sounds, and Thriller. Well it goes without saying ; ) > 'Dig Your Own Hole' by The Chemical Brothers?!?!?!? Badly Drawn Boy?!?!?!?! > are good? Did you see BBD on Later recently. As someone who thought 50% of the debut LP was OK, I have no axe to grind. But this was dreadful. BTW Anyone see Graham Coxon last night. Song For The Sick. What a vitriolic piece! Do we take it as read that the 'shit' he's singing about is Damon? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:56:41 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > BTW Anyone see Graham Coxon last night. Song For The Sick. What a vitriolic > piece! Do we take it as read that the 'shit' he's singing about is Damon? Had a giggle at that too! I'm sure it's about Damon. Very funny! Datsuns pulled some cliches, but did it very well. They blew Foo Fighters away. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:00:49 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: FW: [idealcopy] [OT] Song For The Sick > BTW Anyone see Graham Coxon last night. Song For The Sick. What a vitriolic > piece! For those of you who haven't heard/seen this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/coxon_kiss.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:21:34 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Ubu hit video I remember that too. I think they gave it the vote because it was the best song tbh. Does anyone remember David Thomas on a late night TV show judging other bands' promo videos? He kept getting up and switching the videos off after a very short time. The host was getting v shirty obviously well aware that if Thomas kept doing this then they would v quickly run out of promo videos to watch. I'm pretty sure that Thurston Moore was the other guest. I don't think he got a word in edgeways. Cheers John http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ >From: "Ian B" >To: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:24:19 -0000 > >Can't answer this one but do recall Pere Ubu on Saturday Superstore (kids' >saturday morning TV show). Waiting For Mary was featured on the Video Vote >(a succession of snippets of new videos reviewed by that week's guests). >The only guest I remember was that bloke who played Billy Corkhill on >Brookside (tedious Liverpool based soap). >If I recall correctly, the video got a thumbs up. I think the gyst was >that >they liked it because David Thomas was fat. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > Paul asked: > > > > ////did you ever find out for sure if that clip (B) got shown on "swop >shop"? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:55:51 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:50:09AM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > > No-one else here ever seems to ever say anything good about the Manics, so I > will. > > A Design For Life was one of the best singles of the 90's. I *like* "The Holy Bible". Mind you, I also like Teenage Fanclub, so my judgement is probably officially suspect. "The Holy Bible" is a convincingly angry album; the reason they're subject of such ire now is the way that they now mostly deny what they professed to stand for... less selling out than dumbing down, I suspect. Of course, it implies at some point they had the intelligence to later dumb down, which is a damn sight more than most recording artists (notably not including our list patrons here.) - - Andrew (part of the campaign for intelligent music, occasionally) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ 7-9PM Mondays, CUR1350: 1350 MW Cambs. | online- http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:21:43 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Coming Fast - a Classic! >>>I was talking yesterday to a recent convert about the Brighton gig. We decided that Spent is the classic, the Kidney Bingos of the zeros. Any views? aside form liking Kidney Bingos less than most of the rest of the tracks from Bell is a Cup... if you ask me, which you just did, the best tracks off that album are the ones that made it to Brochuretime - Boiling Boy & SS Paws. Also like Public Place, Its a Boy & Follow the Locust MUCH more than KB! We might not have heard the best mix of Spent yet...? I think its a shame Lewis has stopped doing the backing spits. The following are all 'classic' recordings: 99.9 Spent Germ Ship Nice Streets Art of Stopping Read and Burn The rest are pretty good too. The live set in Berlin was 'classic' from start to finish, just utter perfection, even if Drill peaked in Edinburgh, IDU peaked at ATP and Comet peaked at ICA ... Pink Flag continues to peak'n'peak'n'peak! The problem WIRE have now is a pretty good one. There is really no way they can improve on Berlin, so they're just going to have to start playing some new material... Comet appears to be the 'hit' in as much as its the R&B track that gets the crowds moving nearly as much as Pink Flag... it'd be silly to leave it off the album, even though I'm sure I'll end up skipping it almost every play. That one and Raft Ants are the R&B tracks I skip the most. Other mixes??? I'd like to hear Trash/Treasure redone with that daft high chorus erased and Bruce speaking through a distortion pedal instead. How about a 25min special spatial dronemix of Nice Streets? It'd be nice to hear a sped up Spent. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Natasha Barrett - Isostasie (www.electrocd.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:24:01 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Simply (having) Looks like y'all forgot best Xmas tune ever "Simply" by Stock, Hausen & Walkman which in just under 2min, mashes up PMccartney's flabby Wings with some Yamantaka Eye vox, a few years before trendies caught up to 'bootleg scene'. There might still be an MP3 of this up at www.brainwashed.com/vvm No doubt Macca has been flooded w/royalties from Mr Wand! SH+W link to WIRE played at Disobey w/ DJ Beekeeper + MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse Deconstruct (Blast First compilation) features Bruce Gilbert SH + W Philip Jeck Band of Susans Christian Marclay Jon Oswald If you like plunderphonics this compilation has really never been bettered, but unfortunately its out of print. Its not even bootlegs, since almost all material is from Blast First back catalog & comissioned by the label. Bruce cheated a bit though, and used the second Beefheart album as one source. Alternate mixes of SH+W tracks can be found on their best album Hairballs. Deconstruct was released in conjunction with The Wire magazine (keep yer hair on Nana!) Obsekwius'n'arty Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Xmas in Paradise (WIRE ~ Spent) Experts embarrassed us (Why Are? # Tent Disasters) Pity the people in the desert Pity the people who ate too much dessert (The Fall - Xmas With Simon) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:03:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > > A Design For Life was one of the best singles of the 90's. > > "The Holy Bible" is a convincingly > angry album; the reason they're subject of such ire now is the way that they > now mostly deny what they professed to stand for... less selling out than > dumbing down, I suspect. There's certainly worse people to get worked up about. Personally I find their albums a bit hard going - though hats off to any band that has tasted chart success and then has the balls to release a 'Holy Bible', but they've been a great singles band in their time. I even liked their last one (the one that they admitted sounded like Enjoy The Silence!) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 I remember reading a Rolling Stone "Top 100 albums" about 15 years ago or so and was absolutely appalled by alot of their picks. At that point, it really sank in that those "Top xxx picks" that magazines put out occasionally are just there to tick people off and get them to hopefully buy their mags and write to them. (Neither of which I did.) On the other hand, if my memory serves me correctly, their entry #100 was T-Rex "Electric Warrior" and given a page of it's own! That made up for the overdose of Elvis Costello and Beatles and dearth of punk and metal albums. As usual, take this $.02 with as many grains of NcCl as necessary! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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That phrase translates as "from > the egg to the apples," and it was penned by the Roman poet > Horace. He was alluding to the Roman tradition of starting a > meal with eggs and finishing it with apples. Horace also > applied "ab ovo" in an account of the Trojan War that begins > with the mythical egg of Leda from which Helen (whose beauty > sparked the war) was born. In both cases, Horace used "ab ovo" > in its literal sense, "from the egg," but by the 16th century > Sir Philip Sidney had adapted it to its modern English sense, > "from the beginning": "If [the dramatic poets] wil represent > an history, they must not (as Horace saith) beginne Ab ouo: > but they must come to the principall poynt of that one action." > > ---------------- > Brought to you by Merriam-Webster, Inc. > http://www.Merriam-Webster.com > ---------------- > > Subscribe to or unsubscribe from Word of the Day via the Web: > http://www.Merriam-Webster.com/service/subinst.htm > > To join the list via e-mail, send a blank e-mail to: > mw-wod-subscribe-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com > To leave the list via e-mail, send a blank e-mail to: > mw-wod-signoff-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com > > Questions about your subscription? > Write to: mw-wod-request@listserv.webster.m-w.com > > (c) 2002 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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