From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #409 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 05 : Number 409 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/recent films OFF TOPIC [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/OFF TOPIC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #408 ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] a year without sleep [Mike Edwards ] Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Deals [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] ot: essential logic reissue ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:13:50 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/recent films OFF TOPIC Paul wrote: << i read about a week ago that a musical is in preparation about the whole of fat frankie's career , from the pixies right thru his solo years to the present. let me take a guess that the bar take will be somewhat higher during the second half of the show. >hey , here's a thought. maybe they could get ben elton to do the script. i >hear he did a very good one on the life and times of Queen. sure this new >project would be easy meat for a guy of BE's vast talent. p >> haha, it's said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - but I think in some cases it is actually one of the highest. Elton comes from a bit of a serious establishment background - his uncle is Sir Geoffrey Elton, a very conservative historian of Tudor England and exponent of the 'great men' (and Elizabeth I, presumably) theory of history. Elton's career path can be seen in this light as a reversion to family type perhaps. Cynicism is quite underrated too. Have to admit I quite enjoyed reading Popcorn. And Fat Frank's quasi-europop cover of Hang on to Your Ego. Donnie Darko: saw this less than 6 weeks ago and quite enjoyed it at the time but now can't remember diddly squat about it. I have this problem often with 'quite good' films. The one I'd recommend at the moment is Morvern Callar (made in Scotland, no idea if it'll get a US release). Brilliant soundtrack, available as an album, featuring Can, Stereolab and Aphex Twin, among others. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 06:51:18 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Ben Elton/OFF TOPIC BE was i suppose quite interesting in the 80's , but seems stuck in a horrible time-warp he can't move out of. i guess this applies to several other of the comic strip team also. the thing i do wonder is how a guy of his political beliefs ( i can only suppose they were/are genuine) wants to collaborate with an arch-tory like andrew lloyd-webber ; you'd think there was no common ground there at all. likewise i'd have thought sinead o'connor would want nothing to do with him at all , yet there she goes pumping royalties into his account with her splendid cover of the classic "don't cry for me argentina". mind you , i am not up on the finer nuances of catholorasta logic so it could be me missing something here. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:37:04 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #408 I saw Frank Black And The Catholics in concert a couple of weeks ago and have to give an enthusiastic recommendation for any of you who are interested in seeing one of his shows. The band played five Pixies songs and rocked the house with music from most of Frank Black's albums. I'd be interested in seeing what the musical based on Frank Black is like. It should be...interesting. Jason Now Playing: The Chameleons UK - "Up The Down Escalator" >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:06:39 +0100 >From: Bart van Damme >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musical hell > > > Did I read somewhere that there's gonna be a musical based either on The > > Pixies or Frank Black? > > > > i read about a week ago that a musical is in preparation about the whole >of > > fat frankie's career , from the pixies right thru his solo years to the > > present. let me take a guess that the bar take will be somewhat higher >during > > the second half of the show. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:41:05 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank > I saw Frank Black And The Catholics in concert a couple of weeks ago and > have to give an enthusiastic recommendation for any of you who are > interested in seeing one of his shows. The band played five Pixies songs > and rocked the house with music from most of Frank Black's albums. Good to hear a positive sound about Frank for a change Jason. Where did you see him? I Saw him playing twice. Once with enormous enthusiasm and a crappy sound and the second time really close to perfection. Frank was a bit like Iggy's Bulldozer song - what a force. > I'd be interested in seeing what the musical based on Frank Black is like. > It should be...interesting. Carefull or I'll go fainting again ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:54:50 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Roy Wood but he can't anymore. I've managed to catch up with a few old faves this year, who I'd never seen before. Sonic Youth were, at times, astounding and Brian Wilson was, as mentioned previously, absolutely incredible. The Pet Shop Boys, on the other hand, were something of a disappointment. Unfortunately, I finally caught up with one of my earliest heroes last night and he fell into the latter camp, too. Ladies and gentlemen, Roy Wood... Playing with a 12 piece band that included a rather naff looking female horn section and a former Climax Blues Band bell-end on bass (with lights on his frets - fucking hell I wanted to punch him!), Roy played most of his hits - some more successfully than others. The opening California Man was OK, but it with a touch of a cabaret band about it, and a rather spiffing Fire Brigade (one of the best singles of the 60's IMO) was spoilt with a cod bloody reggae bit plonked in the middle where Carl Wayne's glorious MOR vocs had once been. As if that wasn't bad enough, he played two new songs that were piss-poor soul pastiches and a lame attempt at 'der blues' called, yikes, Big Girl Blues. For fuck's sake. What went wrong? How did a man who, over a six or seven year period, wrote some of the greatest pop songs in the history of pop, end up churning out this shite? And I forgot to mention the version of Rescue Me where his two naff girl singers (or 'the two birds' as Roy called them) performed lead vocs and sang with the all the soul of an Abba tribute act. As my girlfriend pointed out, the only explanation for this monumental lapse of taste on Roy's behalf could be that he was shagging on one of them. And as for the funky instrumental complete with drum solo? Time for a pee, I thought. But it wasn't all bad. Ball Park Incident was pretty good and the big hits at the end - See My Baby Jive and Blackberry Way were performed with gusto (though even then I could have done without Roy's 'put-yer-hands-together-and-lets-hear-ya-sing' antics. No Roy. Blackberry Way is one of my fave singles ever. Let's hear you sing it, not a room full of drunken scousers!!!) The highlight though was the glorious neo-garage I Can Hear The Grass Grow. He played it straight and pretty ferociously - and it rocked. "That's it" I heard myself say to no-one in particular...Almost worth the admission in itself. Unfortunately, too much of the show came across as naff, with Roy not in on the joke. "Bloody brilliant", he said - in his dulcet Brummie tones - about his band a couple of times. Well they were alright, Roy. Bit cabaret, but alright...And oh yeah, he used the dreaded 'M' word. "This one's a bit of a medley". "No Roy", I thought as I checked the location of the exits. I don't do 'medleys', though as it turned out we just got slightly shorter (and pretty decent) versions of Angel Fingers, Forever and Flowers in the Rain, played in succession, but not - thankfully - joined at the seams. Still we all got into the festive spirit with the encore of I Wish It Could Be Xmas. Made me think about the boys recent Brighton though. Twenty five years after their debut album, still pushing forward... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:49:37 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Anderson/Sandler > I've not seen any Sandler movies before but I went to see him in Punch-Drunk > Love at the London Film Festival - this is the new film by Paul Thomas > Anderson who made Magnolia and Boogie Nights. It's a very strange film, its > tone is all over the place, but Sandler is rather good, albeit somewhat one > note. He plays a repressed business owner, prone to sudden fits of > violence, who kicks off a relationship with Emily Watson. It's so barmy I > couldn't wholeheartedly recommend it, but Sandler deserves some credit for > being in it - Anderson wrote it for him apparently and Sandler took a pay > cut. I suspect a lot of people will be put off seeing it because he's in it > and fans of his will go "huh?". Strange combo... makes me curious though. I liked Anderson's Hard Eight and Boogie nights, but Magnolia really stood out. Anderson intervista at: http://www.efilmcritic.com/hbs.cgi?feature=177 Sandler I only saw as Little Nicky and wasn't too impressed [though it had some funny moments] Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:08:37 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank > > I'd be interested in seeing what the musical based on Frank Black is like. They could base it on Oliver. Frank as a child. "Can I have more please..." next scene... "Can I have more please..." Or The Wizard of Oz with a young Kim Deal as Dorothy. Tell me Kim, where did your talent go? (SINGS) "Somewhere over the rainbow..." Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:59:03 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko "To whom it may concern" Thnx for the Donnie Darko contributions. Hope it'll be out soon in Holland. Cheers, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:07:41 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank >>> I'd be interested in seeing what the musical based on Frank Black is like. > They could base it on Oliver. Frank as a child. > "Can I have more please..." > next scene... > "Can I have more please..."> > Or The Wizard of Oz with a young Kim Deal as Dorothy. Tell me Kim, where did > your talent go? (SINGS) "Somewhere over the rainbow..." Had to laugh out loud at this Keith! :-) I take it you're not partial to the Breeders latest then? The documentary that was on telly here the other month showed a badly aged and confused Kim who was outsmarted every time by her bossy sis. Still there was something mysteriously special about her, though this could be my little 10-years-ago-crush speaking. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:08:05 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Roy Wood but he can't anymore. Hi Keith, Thanks for the very amusing review...lol Your final comment rang a bell... I recently saw Will Oldham & Sparklehorse at the 'Further Beyond Nashville' gig @ the Barbican Two artists I know only from records... Missed first half of Mark Linkous' set...dontcha just hate it when the buggers catch you out by starting on time? but what I saw was good...just himself & a guy on drums & laptop...with v cool films on a big screen backdrop... Oldham began well, a couple of solo songs & with an accordian...but then the rest of the band trooped on and it was big *rawk* licks from there on... V disappointing...anyway the point is...and it hadn't occurred to me...seing Wire on their present form spoils you...the rest seem second rate later A > > Still we all got into the festive spirit with the encore of I > Wish It Could Be > Xmas. Made me think about the boys recent Brighton though. > Twenty five years > after their debut album, still pushing forward... > > Keith > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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The versions are similar, but the re-recorded version is a tad faster, and just has a better feel. Plus - the single also has a cover of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer theme. (^_^) > The documentary that was on telly here the other month showed a badly aged > and confused Kim who was outsmarted every time by her bossy sis. Still there > was something mysteriously special about her, though this could be my little > 10-years-ago-crush speaking. > Kelley was the bossy one? Usually it's the other way around. Kelley's the quiet one, and Kim's the one that does all the talking. Hmmm.... I wonder what's going on with those two... Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:57:30 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bad brainday? > There's a single of Son Of Three, which has a re-recorded version of that > song that sounds a lot better. The versions are similar, but the > re-recorded version is a tad faster, and just has a better feel. Plus - > the single also has a cover of the Buffy The Vampire Slayer theme. (^_^) Haven't heard that one... have to look into it. I liked Pod and Last Splash better too. > Kelley was the bossy one? Usually it's the other way around. Kelley's the > quiet one, and Kim's the one that does all the talking. Hmmm.... I wonder > what's going on with those two... Kim was in bad shape... bad brainday? Kelley kept bringin the subject back to her all of the time so now I know all about her different kind of knitted handbags - very usefull info this... no serious! Kelley seemed to have stopped taking every kind of drug except... heroine, she said proudly. And she dissed Kim for still smoking pot. I would love an Ozzy kinda tv-show with these two! ;-) 2002 pics: http://www.noaloha.com/breeders/index.php?page=10&show=2 Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:04:02 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: [idealcopy] a year without sleep I'm posting an audio novel on the net, one month at a time, about an hour per month. Stop by http://www.mcrow.net to check it out. It's free and it's completely ridiculous, no big concepts here. See ya' M.Crow-Wire fan since 1977. "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:24:19 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? Can't answer this one but do recall Pere Ubu on Saturday Superstore (kids' saturday morning TV show). Waiting For Mary was featured on the Video Vote (a succession of snippets of new videos reviewed by that week's guests). The only guest I remember was that bloke who played Billy Corkhill on Brookside (tedious Liverpool based soap). If I recall correctly, the video got a thumbs up. I think the gyst was that they liked it because David Thomas was fat. - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Paul asked: > > ////did you ever find out for sure if that clip (B) got shown on "swop shop"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:59:06 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ...More TV? Thanks for this Paul. On a nostalgic note, anybody know if it's possible to get hold of anything by Chrome on video? Ian B - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco > > The DVD also has the remix video edit of Second Bad Vibel, and Bass > Cadet. > > Cheers, > Paul > > n.p. Boards of Canada - Twoism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Deals - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > I take it you're not partial to the Breeders > latest then? > > I'll jump in on this one. Nope - it hasn't grown on > me much. (^_^) > > However - it may be Albini's production style here. > Very appropriate for > Pod - maybe not so appropriate for this material. or maybe it's the somewhat draggy and very pedestrian drumming on title tk david's rule #1: if your toes tap and your head nods, its the drums and bass - if they don't it's the same thing Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:35:21 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Bulldozer Frank > I take it you're not partial to the Breeders latest then? Haven't heard it Bart if I'm honest, but the little I've heard post-Pod hasn't done it for me. And though I bought Pod at the time, I haven't played it in a long, long time. I liked their pre-Pod Peel session more. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:10:59 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #26 06.12.2002 don't know what era Wire we're talking here.... > - DREAM TICKET - > 6 Music's virtual festival runs seven days a week, bringing you two hours a day of the best live music from the last 30 years recorded exclusively for the BBC. Over the next seven days you can hear live tracks from AEROSMITH, SONIC YOUTH, DONOVAN, ECHO AND THE BUNNMEN, BLONDIE, THE THE, INSPIRAL CARPETS, WIRE, PAVEMENT, DAVE MATTHEWS BAND, PETETR GABRIEL, IAN DURY, EDDI READER and many others. And if you miss a programme when it first goes out, you can now listen back to each show online in its entirety for a full seven days after broadcast via the BBC Radio Player. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:29:49 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > >>But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned?<< Yes. And I'm glad. Pet Sounds was in danger of becoming the 'Citizen Kane' of Pop...a position held by Sgt Peppers for most of the 80s. I'ts too good to be a lazy Top 10 critics choice forever. > >Or are Q readers abunch of shallow-minded 25 year old Stereophonics fans? No. This just reflects the taste of people who can actually be bothered to vote for their favourite albums in a pop magazine. (Oh and don't forget the Manic Street Preachers fans...who in between slashing their arms to bits and listening to some of the most appalling rockist, bombastic shit ever spewed forth from South Wales, repeatedly e-mail any poll going to ensure that 'The Holy Bible' gets in there). Hence the conservative Top 100 of tedious wankers favourite albums....with two, yes two albums by the Manic Street Preachers!?!?! There is no Wire in there because their fans have better things to do than vote for the best album ever made in a magazine. They know its ****(insert 154 or yr fave Wire LP here) and they don't need to write to magazines and tell them that. Polls are rubbish. According to this one: Thousands and thousands of people have voted an Eminem LP as one of the 10 best LPs ever made! 'Jagged Little Pill' by Alanis Morisette is better than 'The Velvet Underground and Nico', Pet Sounds, and Thriller. 'Dig Your Own Hole' by The Chemical Brothers?!?!?!? Badly Drawn Boy?!?!?!?! are good? Fuck off! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:25:41 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] ot: essential logic reissue welcome news for some of us (from the typical girls list) -- from Kill Rock Stars' weekly newsletter: > :::::::::::::: Essential Logic! > KRS is proud to announce the upcoming release of an > ESSENTIAL LOGIC retrospective CD. Essential Logic was > formed by Lora Logic after the end of X-RAY SPEX in the > late 70s. They broke up after a few short years and Lora > susequently played solo, in other bands, and as a guest > with the likes of RAINCOATS, RED CRAYOLA, and SWELL MAPS. > Recently Lora re-formed the band with Gary Valentine > (Blondie), Dave Jones (Bad Brains), and Nick Pretzell. > This CD consists of material from both periods of > Essential Logic, the 1978-81 incarnation, and the recent > incarnation, and will come out in May of 2003. In the > meantime check out some of their recent work: > > Free sample mp3s or buy the whole thing on these sites: > http://stage.vitaminic.co.uk/essential_logic > http://music.peoplesound.com/artists/artisthome.asp? artistid=134259&country=en&albumid=0 > > Informative bio with a detailed discography: > http://members.iglou.com/artbear/logic.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:34:01 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] DEAL Keith: > Haven't heard it Bart if I'm honest, but the little I've heard post-Pod > hasn't done it for me. And though I bought Pod at the time, I haven't played > it in a long, long time. I liked their pre-Pod Peel session more. Perhaps The Amps' Pacer [stand outs: Tipp City and Empty Glasses] could do the trick for you Keith. It's more like Pod than Last Splash [wich I like better myself]. Bart From http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/a/amps/pacer.shtml : Amps Pacer [4AD/Elektra; 1995] Rating: 8.2 Initially, I wasn't sure if this record was for me. It seemed so lo-fi that it was barely audible, the songs didn't stand out immediately, and I was just like, "Jesus, compared to the Breeders, this is terrible." After a couple more listens, I couldn't believe I wasn't pulled into the awesome rock melodies and the brilliant lyrics from the beginning. The lo-finess could be due to hanging around with four-track geniuses and fellow Daytonians Guided by Voices. In fact, one of Pacer's standout tracks, "I Am Decided," was co-written with Robert Pollard. Kim Deal set out to record a different kind of record and came out with one that's so terrific, it won't leave my discman for at least three days. Well, that's kind of a long time, I guess. - -Ryan Schreiber, February, 1996 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #409 *******************************