From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #408 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 6 2002 Volume 05 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] [OT] David Lynch is no Liar [rayographique ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:51:28 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko Anybody seen that Donnie Darko movie yet? Seems it is better than Twin Peaks. True? Bart [curious] http://www.donniedarko.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:58:14 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko Ain't seen it yet, Bart but it's been getting rave reviews over here. A > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Sent: 05 December 2002 11:51 > To: wire-news > Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko > > > Anybody seen that Donnie Darko movie yet? > Seems it is better than Twin Peaks. True? > > Bart [curious] > > http://www.donniedarko.com > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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A 3" James Chance cd just came out with a track >previously only available as a cd bonus cut: "Christmas with Satan." It's >about sixteen minutes long--essential in my universe. And let's not forget "Christmas with the Devil" by Spinal Tap. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:17:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 Anyone see this months Q readers 100? They pat themselves on the back cos there's a few newies in it at the expense of, say, Astral Weeks, but some of the recent ones are by people like Ryan Adams and The dreaded Stereophonics! Which is worse than Kula Shaker in the last one in my eyes...And where all these Q reading TLC fans then??? Nevermind may have won, but I can't help thinking that Radiohead have become the new Beatles, with OK Computer the critics new Sgt Pepper and The Bends their Revolver. I await the day of Radioheads critical re-appraisal when people finally acknowledge that their Revolver is better than the overblown Pepper as well. But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned? Keith NP Otis Blue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:15:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > >>Anyone see this months Q readers 100? They pat themselves on the back cos > there's a few newies in it at the expense of, say, Astral Weeks, but some > of > the recent ones are by people like Ryan Adams and The dreaded > Stereophonics! > Which is worse than Kula Shaker in the last one in my eyes...And where all > these Q reading TLC fans then???<< I don't take reader-voted charts seriously. They're always packed with recent albums, and that makes them look somewhat laughable. > >>Nevermind may have won, but I can't help thinking that Radiohead have > become > the new Beatles, with OK Computer the critics new Sgt Pepper and The Bends > their Revolver. I await the day of Radioheads critical re-appraisal when > people finally acknowledge that their Revolver is better than the overblown > Pepper as well.<< And that the White Album is better than the pair of them? > >>But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned?<< Or are Q readers abunch of shallow-minded 25 year old Stereophonics fans? Bet Pet Sounds would still be top 20 of a Q writers' chart... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:30:10 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:15:36PM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>Anyone see this months Q readers 100? They pat themselves on the back cos > > there's a few newies in it at the expense of, say, Astral Weeks, but some > > of > > the recent ones are by people like Ryan Adams and The dreaded > > Stereophonics! > > Which is worse than Kula Shaker in the last one in my eyes...And where all > > these Q reading TLC fans then???<< > > I don't take reader-voted charts seriously. They're always packed with recent > albums, and that makes them look somewhat laughable. > > > >>Nevermind may have won, but I can't help thinking that Radiohead have > > become > > the new Beatles, with OK Computer the critics new Sgt Pepper and The Bends > > their Revolver. I await the day of Radioheads critical re-appraisal when > > people finally acknowledge that their Revolver is better than the overblown > > Pepper as well.<< > > And that the White Album is better than the pair of them? > Radiohead have two great albums, two good but patchy ones, and one which has about four good but atypical songs on it, and which the band themselves admit they were in debt to the Pixies, amongst others, up to their eyeballs. I'm a fan, as the list knows, but there simply isn't enough material to even *pretend* that any sort of Beatles comparison is valid. Maybe in ten years, if they don't turn awful.[1] > > >>But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned?<< > > Or are Q readers abunch of shallow-minded 25 year old Stereophonics fans? Bet > Pet Sounds would still be top 20 of a Q writers' chart... "Forever Changes" by Love is likely to be nowhere in a voted chart, too: doesn't stop it being one of the greatest albums ever recorded, though, and I suspect a writers' poll would place it somewhere. "Pet Sounds" is alright by me too; "God Only Knows" is a beautiful song. - - Andrew (np: Liars - "They Threw Us All In A Trench...") [1] I know some listees hate Radiohead. Fair enough, we can agree to disagree, yeah? :) [BillHickNote: You were right about "Sister" by SY. On first listening, I like it at least as much as Daydream Nation...] - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ 7-9PM Mondays, CUR1350: 1350 MW Cambs. and online - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:27:17 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > And that the White Album is better than the pair of them? HEAR HEAR... [and Radiohead haven't managed to do THAT album] Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:31:06 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > and one which has about four good but atypical songs on it, and which the band > themselves admit they were in debt to the Pixies, I don't hear that really... maybe don't want to either. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:12:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > > and one which has about four good but atypical songs on it, and which the band > > themselves admit they were in debt to the Pixies, > > I don't hear that really... maybe don't want to either. Did I read somewhere that there's gonna be a musical based either on The Pixies or Frank Black? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:17:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 >And that the White Album is better than the pair of them? what - kid a? >>But Pet Sounds a lowly number 99. Has the tide turned?<< >Or are Q readers abunch of shallow-minded 25 year old Stereophonics fans? Did you know that their gormless looking drummer - who looks and sounds like he has difficulty putting a sentence together - has his own chat show on one of the Welsh channels. No I haven't watched it. >Bet Pet Sounds would still be top 20 of a Q writers' chart... Mark came pretty high in MVC's chart of charts...top 10 i think. Revolver won. Keith np The Move - I Can Hear The Grass Grow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:15:45 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 i read about a week ago that a musical is in preparation about the whole of fat frankie's career , from the pixies right thru his solo years to the present. let me take a guess that the bar take will be somewhat higher during the second half of the show. hey , here's a thought. maybe they could get ben elton to do the script. i hear he did a very good one on the life and times of Queen. sure this new project would be easy meat for a guy of BE's vast talent. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:41:46 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko better than twin peaks the tv series or twin peaks: firewalk with me? the former was, of course, extremely uneven, while appreciation of the latter hinged heavily on familiarity with the former ... all of which is to say, i dunno. but i do know donnie darko is intriguingly dark. great ending, too. dan >Ain't seen it yet, Bart >but it's been getting rave >reviews over here. > >A > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] >> Sent: 05 December 2002 11:51 >> To: wire-news >> Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko >> >> >> Anybody seen that Donnie Darko movie yet? >> Seems it is better than Twin Peaks. True? >> >> Bart [curious] >> >> http://www.donniedarko.com >> >************************************************************************* >The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any >warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of >this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended >recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that >any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is >strictly prohibited. > >If you have received this e-mail in error please notify >postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the >presence of computer viruses. >************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:29:40 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Holidazed I've not seen any Sandler movies before but I went to see him in Punch-Drunk Love at the London Film Festival - this is the new film by Paul Thomas Anderson who made Magnolia and Boogie Nights. It's a very strange film, its tone is all over the place, but Sandler is rather good, albeit somewhat one note. He plays a repressed business owner, prone to sudden fits of violence, who kicks off a relationship with Emily Watson. It's so barmy I couldn't wholeheartedly recommend it, but Sandler deserves some credit for being in it - Anderson wrote it for him apparently and Sandler took a pay cut. I suspect a lot of people will be put off seeing it because he's in it and fans of his will go "huh?". another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Holidazed > << i guess adam sandler's chanukah song doesn't get much airplay outside of > ny, > eh? >> > > For his many crimes against humanity, not the least of which is "the chanukah > song," Mr. Sandler will be among the first up against the wall when I regain > my crown as king of the world. > > Operaman > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:23:07 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko Not IMO it isn't. I found it vaguely disappointing given its reputation. Which is not to say it's not worth seeing, but it's not up there with the genius of Lynch. It is, however, a genuine science fiction movie which rather surprised me as it's not being pitched as such. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Donnie Darko > Anybody seen that Donnie Darko movie yet? > Seems it is better than Twin Peaks. True? > > Bart [curious] > > http://www.donniedarko.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:06:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q Top 100 > sure this new > project would be easy meat for a guy of BE's vast talent. p do I detect just the teeniest hint of sarcasm here, Paul ; ) Shame isn't it. BE was a genuinely talented bloke IMO before he got caught up in his own smugness. Hard to think of him nowadays without the word 'twat' springing to mind. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] David Lynch is no Liar or on the other hand, those of us, not as enamoured of david lynch as he is, can sigh a collective yawn and get on with actually interesting artists btw - chiming in on the liars bandwagon - they remind me of so many things i love about so many other bands - - but somehow, i think they are carving their own space with the impliments others have left them - i am beginning to think that i will be listening to this album in 5 years and still getting a charge out of it Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:49:39 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] [Really far OT] emminem house on ebay just noticed today that multiple bid cancellations and retractions have dropped the winning bid amount of a dumpy residence in a dumpy suburb of detroit down to $120k from a antic foolish previous high of > $12 mil. For those not farmiliar with the tale, a couple fellows bought emminem's uncle's old house from $45k a few months back and listed it on ebay as a former residence. i think his ma might have camped out there between trailors (evidently very few direct relations ever owned property without wheels) last i looked there was an auction for a photo of someone's cat looking at the emminem house auction which was in excess of $1,000 this morning - maybe the photo will pass the house...there's a week to go appologies for the OT, but i think it's at least as amusing as the rest of the recent blather Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:06:39 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musical hell > Did I read somewhere that there's gonna be a musical based either on The > Pixies or Frank Black? > i read about a week ago that a musical is in preparation about the whole of > fat frankie's career , from the pixies right thru his solo years to the > present. let me take a guess that the bar take will be somewhat higher during > the second half of the show. > hey , here's a thought. maybe they could get ben elton to do the script. i > hear he did a very good one on the life and times of Queen. sure this new > project would be easy meat for a guy of BE's vast talent. Just woke up from a faint after reading this. Who's next I wonder? Wire? [if so, who are gonna play our lads?] Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #408 *******************************