From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #406 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 05 : Number 406 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wir live [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] 'Another the Wire' ["Phillip Blakeney" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:01:00 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation I sat up and watched this all the way through last night, for the first time for quite a while. A few observations: Rockpalast provides a few blasts for the future. Pink flag, done as an encore, already shows big signs of mutation, albeit not in the direction it would take 20 years later. Its inclusion in the set as a species of signature tune is nontheless interesting. The other thing that struck me was the brooding, arresting nature of Bruce's stage presence. You can't always even see him properly, but he's always there, the beginnings of the snarl starting to show. The video for Colin's Not To really is pretty bad. Especially that beard, nominated here before among fashion crimes, and the bit where he's pretending to fly. IMO not one of his better tracks either. The contrast to B, which comes on next, could not be more marked. Fashion crimes part two - I've never noticed this before, and apologies if I state the obvious, but the infamous Graham mullet seems to be visible in the Ahead vid. Snub interview: Robert (with hair) utters not one syllable. Graham struggles to get a word in edgeways and then gets his swearword bleeped out. Wir live: I was/am a Wir fan but the concert footage here (not seen at their best playing to a bunch of impatient Blir fans) confirms that we are all far far better off now, if any confirmation was needed. I was talking yesterday to a recent convert about the Brighton gig. We decided that Spent is the classic, the Kidney Bingos of the zeros. Any views? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 06:28:39 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation > I sat up and watched this all the way through last night, for the first time > for quite a while. A few observations: /////for the record , some clown is flogging a DVD of this on ebay (just rockpalast). also there's a cdr of the chicago gig in Y2K. no doubt some suckers will pay a packet for stuff available much cheaper elsewhere (free in the case of chicago). wonder if uri will go for a DVD re-issue (with "updates")? > > Rockpalast provides a few blasts for the future. Pink flag, done as an > encore, already shows big signs of mutation, albeit not in the direction it > would take 20 years later. Its inclusion in the set as a species of > signature tune is nontheless interesting. ////its a pretty "frayed" version. other gigs around the same time they bash up "iam the fly" and/or "too late" > > The other thing that struck me was the brooding, arresting nature of Bruce's > stage presence. You can't always even see him properly, but he's always > there, the beginnings of the snarl starting to show. ////love that slicked back hair , too > > The video for Colin's Not To really is pretty bad. Especially that beard, > nominated here before among fashion crimes, and the bit where he's pretending > to fly. /////wonder how long that beard lasted? IMO not one of his better tracks either. The contrast to B, which > comes on next, could not be more marked. ////did you ever find out for sure if that clip got shown on "swop shop"? > > Fashion crimes part two - I've never noticed this before, and apologies if I > state the obvious, but the infamous Graham mullet seems to be visible in the > Ahead vid. //////it deserved immortality really > > Snub interview: Robert (with hair) utters not one syllable. Graham struggles > to get a word in edgeways and then gets his swearword bleeped out. /////well , that was a tea-time show. hate to offend the pre-soap opera fans sensibilities > > Wir live: I was/am a Wir fan but the concert footage here (not seen at their > best playing to a bunch of impatient Blir fans) confirms that we are all far > far better off now, if any confirmation was needed. /////maybe wir came over better in the studio than live. i completely missed the 2 wir gigs (that one and the mean fiddler headliner) so i never saw that era in the flesh. do love the album though. > I was talking yesterday to a recent convert about the Brighton gig. We > decided that Spent is the classic, the Kidney Bingos of the > zeros. Any views? /////spent was maybe the highlight at brighton , the peak it built up to. an intensity 80's wire never hit (or tried to hit , i think the intentions were very different). so i wonder how they'll play 2003....................p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:25:49 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation >/////for the record , some clown is flogging a DVD of this on ebay (just rockpalast). also there's a cdr of the chicago gig in Y2K. no doubt some suckers will pay a packet for stuff available much cheaper elsewhere (free in the case of chicago). wonder if uri will go for a DVD re-issue (with "updates")? >> I've been planning a Vol 2 for while but can't locate a decent low priced high quality NTSC-PAL & PAL to NTSC conversion facility. Any offers? Uri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:52:01 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wir live > >>/////maybe wir came over better in the studio than live. i completely > missed the 2 wir gigs (that one and the mean fiddler headliner) so i never > saw that era in the flesh. do love the album though.<< I think 'playful' is the word. At the Mean Fiddler they came on to taped 'naked, whooping...' and did a little twist dance throughout - Graham whith effort, Colin with heaps of irony and Bruce, just damn cool. Meanwhile three buckets are lowered from the ceiling on ropes. I've said this before, but whereas Wire are seen as 'the Colin Newman quartet', Wir were most definitely 'the Graham Lewis trio'. Graham was stage centre, and handled most of the vocals. High point of the gig was seeing Bruce sing live (on ticking mouth). This involved Bruce (a) sitting down behind a keyboard and (b) putting on his glasses. As you say, it's about as far as you could get from today's version. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:03:34 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? In a message dated 3/12/02 11:35:21 am, PaulRabjohn writes: << The contrast to B, which > comes on next, could not be more marked. Paul asked: ////did you ever find out for sure if that clip got shown on "swop shop"? > >> I did write to the BBC to check, but their archives don't go back that far or aren't that thorough. All I have is a 21 year old recollection, but I think that's enough. I was at an impressionable age (15) and the memory of Noel Edmonds' startled face afterwards is something I shall always carry with me. Shame all the swap shop viewers (me included) didn't go and spend their paper round money on the single. Speaking of possible Wire hit singles ... the possiblity of them doing it via Fischerspooner seems to be receding. The 15th is supposed to come out in the new year, but on another list someone claimed that the album sold only 5000 copies in the UK (one of them presently resides in my 'b' list collection in a cupboard, to be dug out again on a very very rainy day). If that estimate is anywhere near the mark the record company may well get cold feet - and even if the 15th does get a release, they may not bother to push it much. So there goes Colin's pension plan. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:43:12 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? Howard... > Speaking of possible Wire hit singles ... the possiblity of them doing it via > Fischerspooner seems to be receding. The 15th is supposed to come out in the > new year, but on another list someone claimed that the album sold only 5000 > copies in the UK (one of them presently resides in my 'b' list collection in > a cupboard, to be dug out again on a very very rainy day). I think it 's OK. Admittedly the 15th is easily the best thing on it though. > If that estimate > is anywhere near the mark the record company may well get cold feet - and > even if the 15th does get a release, they may not bother to push it much. I think the last I read on this was that it had been put back to the NY because they were looking for a new label. Might be mistaken though... Don't suppose the recent collaboration with Kylie will have harmed things though. (I knew I'd get from Wire to Kylie in one short leap one day!) > So there goes Colin's pension plan. Maybe that's in all our interests ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:36:43 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B video/Wire hit single? On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 02:43:12PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > (I knew I'd get from Wire to Kylie in one short leap one day!) > Bad wire cover -> "pile of arse" -> Kylie. Easy. - - dragging conversations into the gutter since 1980, Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:49:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Wire video compilation > I was talking yesterday to a recent convert about the Brighton gig. We > decided that Spent is the classic, the Kidney Bingos of the zeros. Any views? Yeah I'd probably go along with that, though it shares my top spot with I Don't Understand, which bizarrely got some bad press here yesterday. The chugging gtr interplay on IDU is vintage Wire IMO. Spent is certainly my fave on 02 though. Immense... Keith NP Tim Buckley - Once I Was ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:18:40 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Last weekend I listened to .... Florian Hecker and Fluxus member Yasunao Tone. Hecker has a Mego release that includes a remix by Bruce Gilbert. Has anyone heard it? I've been planning to order it for some time. Now I'm curious to know about the Gilbert remix, as I'm assuming the rest of the cd is as one dimensional and boring as what Hecker played Saturday. (Well, it was ... Tone was better, but compared to recent performanes by Marchetti and Noetinger, and by Elaine Radigue, this night was a bit dull.) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:37:13 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug I'm gonna be on the radio, folks. 1900-2100 GMT, Monday nights from 9th December. Yes, I probably will play the odd Wire track. Details in the sig - there is a RealPlayer stream. I need a show name, though, and I'm going to be humiliatingly awful. Try not to laugh too hard if you happen to listen in. :) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350MW Cambridgeshire and online| http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:21:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug In a message dated 12/3/02 11:38:28 AM Central Standard Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << I need a show name, though, and I'm going to be humiliatingly awful. Try not to laugh too hard if you happen to listen in. :) >> Eardrum Buzz ? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:42:38 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ...More TV? Working through a backlog of IdealCopy posts...(^_^) >And on the subject of TV, I thought the days were gone, but I actually saw >an Autechre video on TV the other night. Admittedly on Sci-Fi rather than >terrestrial, but you take what you can get (Ganz Graff if anybody's >interested) This is available on DVD from Warp, BTW. If you buy the GanzGraff single, there's an edition that comes with a DVD with the GanzGraff video. It's also available in either PAL or NTSC - if you order it from Warp, they figure out which one you need. The DVD also has the remix video edit of Second Bad Vibel, and Bass Cadet. Cheers, Paul n.p. Boards of Canada - Twoism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug Bird on a WIRE? Ari RLynn9@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/3/02 11:38:28 AM Central Standard Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << I need a show name, though, and I'm going to be humiliatingly awful. Try not to laugh too hard if you happen to listen in. :) >> Eardrum Buzz ? RL Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:10:10 +1100 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] 'Another the Wire' I was browsing CDNOW today and my heart went all aflutter when I saw a 2002 album by WIRE called 'High Time'. Unfortunately it turns out to be a reggae artist not our boys. The funny thing is under the credits there is one for photographer 'Maria Newman'. Small world innit!! Phillip from Australia. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:47:19 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug andrew is looking for a name for his radio show and writes: >I'm going to be humiliatingly awful. we wouldn't expect anything less andrew! :o) c'mon now, have fun. and yes, play wire! robert writes: >Eardrum Buzz ? now that has a certain ring to it ;o) i just wish mine was a440. at least it would come in handy when the guitar comes out to play :o\ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:48:10 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wir live In a message dated 12/3/02 8:53:07 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >High point of the gig was seeing Bruce sing live (on ticking mouth). This > >involved Bruce (a) sitting down behind a keyboard and (b) putting on his > >glasses. damn i woulda loved to have seen that. is it on the video? and is this available stateside? has this been discussed b4? :o) paul (hopin uri finds a cheap converter) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug hmmm.... In keeping with things Wired and recent (and risking a bad pun!) , how about "Red and Burnt" Or perhaps taking the time of the show into account, something more generic like: "Almost midnight" or "Not quite Midnight" It's kind of hard to suggest titles without more info. So what else do you plan on bestowing upon the world? Good luck to you and have fun with the show regardless! And be sure to repost your info when it debuts! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:52:59 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] This is a Plug In a message dated 12/3/02 9:20:39 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > >"Almost midnight" or "Not quite Midnight" like round midnight? ;o) well, my vote is for eardrumbuzz. it's what i'd call a radio show if i had one :o) - -paul n.p. callla - awake & under ....not a bad name for a late night radio show ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #406 *******************************