From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #402 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 30 2002 Volume 05 : Number 402 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V5 #401 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] newcomer cv purchases [rayographique ] [idealcopy] Call me a cab ! ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] Newcomer [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - hello darkness... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V5 #401 Jan Mannekens Hi all, After being a Wire fan (also AC Marias, He Said, Colin Newman)since the eighties, my interest in Wire picked up momentum again with the release of Read and Burn 01 and 02 (absolutely great stuff!). So now I subscribed this mailing list in order to keep following up the great stuff they are doing/releasing. I also hope to find out if any re-releases (on CD) can be expected from He Said and/or other related side projects. Welcome aboard. BUT, if it's Wire stuff you're interested in, you've joined the wrong mail list! Plenty of stuff here about vituaully every other band that ever picked up a guitar - but Wire? Well, maybe the odd snippit! rezMole for all things Resident(ial), visit www.theresidents.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:08:25 +0000 From: "Jan Mannekens" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases >Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:37:50 EST >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases > > > >>Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks.<< > > >Personally I prefer the early stuff (up to 83) to the later dance stuf. >Cabs >were a classic example of a band that was at its best when struggling with >primitive music technology, but lost its edge when the technology improved >(see also Kraftwerk, New Order). > >I'd say the following were essential: > >Red Mecca >Crackdown >2x45 > >and the following were pretty close > >Voice of America >Mix-up >Drinking Gasoline > >There's also a great 2 CD comp called Listen Up with Cabaret Voltaire, >which >has odd single tracks etc. > >For later stuff I like the BBC sessions comp which has rougher (and often >better) versions of the later dance-era tracks. > >If you like the primitive 78-79 stuff there's a compilation of 74-76 >material >too, though tread carefully! The early Mallinder and Kirk solo stuff is >also >worthwhile. > >Mark Besides the already listed proposals I could also advise: - - Three Mantras (1980) - - 8 Cripuscule Tracks (1988 I think) Greetings, Jan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:40:21 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases Jan [another the]: > Besides the already listed proposals I could also advise: > - Three Mantras (1980) Couldn't agree more! My fave together with Mix-up. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] newcomer cv purchases - --- Jan Mannekens wrote: ... > Besides the already listed proposals I could also > advise: > - Three Mantras (1980) > - 8 Cripuscule Tracks (1988 I think) > > Greetings, > > Jan ah - you're fitting right in here Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 06:39:58 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another Wire question.. > has anyone ever figured out if the esteemed Mr. Edvard Graham Lewis produced > any (or all) of the tracks on the Cinnamon lp "Courier" ???? > > i know that "Me As Helen of Troy" has been mentioned... > > thanks for any help beforehand... ///i have also wondered on this one. in kevin's discography he claims EGL produced the "summer meditation" lp (which contains "me as helen of troy") . knowing that , i bought a cheap copy of a MAHOT cd single , disappointed to see no mention of lewis on the credits (also , to be honest , it isn't much cop). so maybe lewis just produced a few of the other tracks on the album ; anyone got it? but i didn't realise there was anothe cinnamon album. is it definitely the same band ; sounds like a name that might have been used a few times? ( i see there's another halo now...) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Paul Wilson wrote.......... Welcome aboard. BUT, if it's Wire stuff you're interested in, you've joined the wrong mail list! Plenty of stuff here about vituaully every other band that ever picked up a guitar - but Wire? Well, maybe the odd snippit! rezMole This is patently not true Paul,there's been LOTS of Wire/Wire related stuff on the site of late,even so I'd hate to be on ANY list that only discussed one artist......wouldn't you?Ari On a long enough time line the survival rate for all of us drops to zero.'from Fight Club' Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:07:55 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Call me a cab ! Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:37:50 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases > >>Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks.<< Personally I prefer the early stuff (up to 83) to the later dance stuf. Cabs were a classic example of a band that was at its best when struggling with primitive music technology, but lost its edge when the technology improved (see also Kraftwerk, New Order). ///// Man after me own heart Mark... my thoughts precisely... I'd say the following were essential: Red Mecca Crackdown 2x45 and the following were pretty close Voice of America Mix-up Drinking Gasoline ///// Red Mecca is my alltime fave Cabs LP, their zenith I think. 2x45 very good too, though nothing approaches the brilliant, relentless onslaught of Thousand Ways. The Crackdown was the beginning of the end for me... rubbish really, they got very soft after that. Though there's a couple of good songs on the 12" that comes with The Crackdown... Badge Of Evil and it was either Diskono or Over And Over, I can't remember which one was the one I liked... There's also a great 2 CD comp called Listen Up with Cabaret Voltaire, which has odd single tracks etc. ///// Definitely some good stuff in there amongst other not-so-good things... For later stuff I like the BBC sessions comp which has rougher (and often better) versions of the later dance-era tracks. If you like the primitive 78-79 stuff there's a compilation of 74-76 material too, though tread carefully! The early Mallinder and Kirk solo stuff is also worthwhile. ///// That early comp has some interesting stuff there for the completists. Early Kirk solos are great, namely Disposable Half Truths and... bloody hell I can't remember the title... is there one called Time High Fiction ? Mallinder's Pow Wow is excellent, and the Temperature Drop/Cool Down 12", which is really superb... made quite an impression on me at the time... Fergus "Un deux trois quatre !" Wire : Surgeon's Girl _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:21:08 EST From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Newcomer eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << We are a bunch of respectful, thoughtful, approachable people >> Eric: I must be on a different list than you. Can you tell me how to s*bscribe to the list you are on? Billy :Q np: bowery electric=vertigo=featuring a so-so immersion remix. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:00:38 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers In a message dated 11/26/2002 7:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Paul, if you're due to spend time in Northampton again, I recommend > preparing by reading Alan Moore's great novel, 'Voice of the Fire' first - a > warped, dark vision of 6,000 years of Northampton's history > told through a > series of interlinked stories /////i recall some of bauhaus did a project with AM ; the sinister ducks 7" which is now mega-rare. i guess this was a marriage of northampton's finest then? my brother was a huge bauhaus fan so i was bombarded with all their output for several years , never thought much of the solo stuff was particularly memorable. bauhaus themselves certainly had their moments , although i preferred the killing joke / uk decay take on similar territory. i could have lived without pete murphy's bowie fixation to be honest. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:19:09 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - hello darkness... In a message dated 11/27/2002 5:56:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > god...the other night i played The March Violets Peel > Session (Steam, > Grooving In Green etc...). /////their crowning moment! 2 tracks from that session got used on the "natural history" compilation (they never recorded a proper album) ; "strangehead" and "undertow". maybe the high point of that whole 82/83 proto-goth "scene". p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:13:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol > In the same vein (not a heroin reference!) have you heard Codeine? > Pitched somewhere between G500 and Low.... both The White Birch and Frigid > Stars LPs are essential slo-core... > > Mark Don't know Frigid (was that before or after WB), but I was certainly a bit of a fan of White Birch. It doesn't get any slower. Feels like it could just grind to a halt any moment. Keith NP Appliance - time and space e.p. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:17:21 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Un deux trois quatre > "Un deux trois quatre !" > > Wire : Surgeon's Girl The advantage of speaking a second language? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #402 *******************************