From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #401 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 29 2002 Volume 05 : Number 401 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: Chris Watson talk [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Newcomer ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: Chris Watson talk ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol > Yep. It's pretty much the live set recorded straight. Only duff track is the > one that sounds like Modern English attempting This Charming Man... And that's the duff one? Like the sound of it myself! > >>...made me > dig out my 12" of Clock DVA's '4 Hours', it's all there for > > me... I'm not a big Clock DVA fan, but God. I *love* that single. A clarinet plays in the distance. > >>AND i'm a > mega Joy Div fan, saw them a few times... bugger. I didn't. not once... Anyone been following the top 100 in The Times, in conjunction with MVC. They've compiled it from various previous top 100's and have a few words about a few each day. I mention this cos Unknown Pleasures has been featured (as has The Smiths - with words from Kevin Cummins - and Pychocandy) > Compare and contrast with the Vines (Nirvana), the Datsuns > (Deep Purple) shite! or the Libertines (the Lurkers). Did anyone see the Libertines on Later recently? The single wasn't bad but the 2nd track...dreadful. And Mick Jones reckons they're the new Beatles. To quote The Lurkers - Ain't Got A Clue. >Gimme JD as an influence any day. YEP! > >>from the guy who *only* likes 'The Pyramid Song'...(^_^)<< A Radiohead song I don't particularly like. I'm always suspicious of time changes. Too ELP ; ) > * It remains one of the tragiedies of my life that I saw JD but once, yet FoS > three times.... Now Mark. That took some admitting. Sit down. Treat yourself to a beer. Take it easy, mate ; ) Keith PS ON TOPIC - Bought a couple of Colin Newman 7" singles today. B and Inventory. A fruitful day! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:39:30 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:09:22AM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > or the Libertines (the Lurkers). > > Did anyone see the Libertines on Later recently? The single wasn't bad but > the 2nd track...dreadful. And Mick Jones reckons they're the new Beatles. To > quote The Lurkers - Ain't Got A Clue. And judging by the track on the NME compilation ("Boys in the Band"), also laddish, sexist idiots too. The odds stack up against them... > > >Gimme JD as an influence any day. > > YEP! > There's "influenced by" and "a bad copy of" - the two are often confused, I feel. Interpol fall into the latter camp based on the song I've heard. Partially it might be contempt by context. I had been playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City [1] beforehand, which has a soundtrack of about 100 licensed 80s hits. One of the (fictional) radio stations in the game is "Wave 103", a new-wave station presented by a bored-sounding pseudo-intellectual (and deeply irritating) character; Interpol were so obviously the band equivalent of this character. "Oh, you've broken all my buttons You make me spit I don't like my clothes any more" - excuse me? Even further offtopic, GTA: VC actually has some of the best use of soundtrack in any game I've encountered, this side of Rez. Anyone who is at all into electronic music should try and play it - it's essentially all about sound/light interplay, and it's *utterly* hypnotic. [http://rez.u-ga.com/, incidentally.] > > >>from the guy who *only* likes 'The Pyramid Song'...(^_^)<< > False. It's not even my favourite track on that *album* by Radiohead :) > A Radiohead song I don't particularly like. I'm always suspicious of time > changes. Too ELP ; ) > ... though it's probably my second favourite. ("Like Spinning Plates" wins for me.) - - Andrew [1] Written about 100 yards from my sister's flat as it happens, and yes I know buying Sony product makes me part of the military-industrial complex, dooming me to be first against the wall when the revolution comes. I've *had* all the arguments. :) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:57:52 +0000 From: "Jan Mannekens" Subject: [idealcopy] Newcomer Hi all, After being a Wire fan (also AC Marias, He Said, Colin Newman)since the eighties, my interest in Wire picked up momentum again with the release of Read and Burn 01 and 02 (absolutely great stuff!). So now I subscribed this mailing list in order to keep following up the great stuff they are doing/releasing. I also hope to find out if any re-releases (on CD) can be expected from He Said and/or other related side projects. Now I'll check the archive before I start annoying people with questions that might have been asked and answered many times before. Keeping up the pink flag, Jan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:12:02 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol > > Did anyone see the Libertines on Later recently? The single wasn't bad but > > the 2nd track...dreadful. And Mick Jones reckons they're the new Beatles. To > > quote The Lurkers - Ain't Got A Clue. > > And judging by the track on the NME compilation ("Boys in the Band"), also > laddish, sexist idiots too. The odds stack up against them... That was the track on Later. It was much worse live. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:24:29 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] virgin vote Well ok Mark I've done that but personally I would rather not be reminded of the existence of Virgin radio or Virgin fucken' anything for that matter (Ooooh! get me...);-) later A - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:42 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] virgin vote You know what to do. http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/top100/vote.html ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:11:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vote & Burn - Top 100 Great British Artists >>Hmmm, Funny I didn't see the lads.<< You can write in anyone. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Newcomer hi jan > Read and Burn 01 and 02 (absolutely great stuff!). without debate in these quarters > I also hope to find out if any > re-releases (on CD) can be expected from He Said > and/or other related side > projects. check mute - you may be pleasantly surprised also keven eden (wmo/uk) still had some remainders at his last post i recall ... also, of course www.pinkflag.com welcome aboard Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:22:49 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Chris Watson talk From sonicartsnet, further to recent Cab V posts. Howard > LCP Sound Arts & Design presents > Wednesday December 4th > a talk by > wildlife and sound recordist > Chris > Watson > 4.30pm > TV Studio (Ground floor), > London College of Printing, > 10 Backhill > London EC1 > (nearest tube: Farringdon) > > A sound recordist with a particular and passionate interest in recording the > wildlife sounds of animals, habitats and atmospheres from around the world. As > a freelance recordist for film, tv & radio Chris Watson specialises in natural > history and documentary location sound together with track assembly and sound > design in post production. His renowned CDs on the 'Touch' label include > 'Outside The Circle of Fire' and 'Stepping into The Dark'( Award of > Distinction Prix ARS Electronica Festival 2000, Austria). His TV credits > include 'The Life of Birds' and 'The Life of Mammals' and 'Big Cat Diary' for > BBC TV. Former member of Cabaret Voltaire. > all welcome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:02:40 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Newcomer Welcome Jan! It is not uncommon for even long standing ICers to ask annoying questions, but thank you for the consideration. We are a bunch of respectful, thoughtful, approachable people who are happy to welcome any Wire devotee to the list. Cheers Eric in Toronto p.s. would you be "Another the Manne(qui)kens"? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jan Mannekens Sent: November 28, 2002 5:58 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Newcomer Hi all, After being a Wire fan (also AC Marias, He Said, Colin Newman)since the eighties, my interest in Wire picked up momentum again with the release of Read and Burn 01 and 02 (absolutely great stuff!). So now I subscribed this mailing list in order to keep following up the great stuff they are doing/releasing. I also hope to find out if any re-releases (on CD) can be expected from He Said and/or other related side projects. Now I'll check the archive before I start annoying people with questions that might have been asked and answered many times before. Keeping up the pink flag, Jan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:02:42 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Chris Watson talk Was anyone on the list at the FUSE conference in San Francisco? I think it was 96 but I can't quite remember. Chris was there talking about his recordings, Woz of course was there, and an ear splitting performance by Pan Sonic who obviously took up the sonic experiments where Graham and BC left off. Chris's talk was fascinating. He played some of his recordings. Sonically sublime IMHO. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of HowardJSpencer@aol.com Sent: November 28, 2002 9:23 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Chris Watson talk >From sonicartsnet, further to recent Cab V posts. Howard > LCP Sound Arts & Design presents > Wednesday December 4th > a talk by > wildlife and sound recordist > Chris > Watson > 4.30pm > TV Studio (Ground floor), > London College of Printing, > 10 Backhill > London EC1 > (nearest tube: Farringdon) > > A sound recordist with a particular and passionate interest in recording the > wildlife sounds of animals, habitats and atmospheres from around the world. As > a freelance recordist for film, tv & radio Chris Watson specialises in natural > history and documentary location sound together with track assembly and sound > design in post production. His renowned CDs on the 'Touch' label include > 'Outside The Circle of Fire' and 'Stepping into The Dark'( Award of > Distinction Prix ARS Electronica Festival 2000, Austria). His TV credits > include 'The Life of Birds' and 'The Life of Mammals' and 'Big Cat Diary' for > BBC TV. Former member of Cabaret Voltaire. > all welcome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:55:03 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol I like Interpol quite a bit and am going to see them in concert here in Atlanta on December 8. I'll let all of you know how the show is afterwards. I'm a colossal fan of Joy Division/New Order and the only Interpol song that even remotely reminds me of Joy Division is "Obstacle 1". For the most part, Interpol reminds me of The Chameleons, Bauhaus, or Ride. On the subject of Cabaret Voltaire, I recently made my first CV purchase: The Original Sound Of Sheffield '78/'82: Best Of; It's an impressive collection. Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:18:01 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Newcomer In a message dated 11/28/02 10:00:51 AM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > > >p.s. would you be "Another the Manne(qui)kens"? maybe not, but i believe he's got to be "another the jan"...so, welcome, another the jan! - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:28:41 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases In a message dated 11/28/02 10:55:46 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: > >On the subject of Cabaret Voltaire, I recently made my first CV purchase: > >The Original Sound Of Sheffield '78/'82: Best Of; It's an impressive > >collection. Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks. congrats jason! i am a big fan of 1982-86 cabs, but i really think you can't go wrong anywhere up til 86 or even 87 (i think code was 87). if very dancefloor oriented music is not the direction you're looking, you may want to hold off on the post-code stuff. if you like the noisier early stuff a lot, voice of america is a great album to bridge the way from the old to the middle. the "hit" from the middle period would have to be sensoria, and that's on the album microphonies. classic. classic 80's video too! man, is the some bizarre show available on video anywhere for american viewing? - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:37:50 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cv purchases > >>Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks.<< Personally I prefer the early stuff (up to 83) to the later dance stuf. Cabs were a classic example of a band that was at its best when struggling with primitive music technology, but lost its edge when the technology improved (see also Kraftwerk, New Order). I'd say the following were essential: Red Mecca Crackdown 2x45 and the following were pretty close Voice of America Mix-up Drinking Gasoline There's also a great 2 CD comp called Listen Up with Cabaret Voltaire, which has odd single tracks etc. For later stuff I like the BBC sessions comp which has rougher (and often better) versions of the later dance-era tracks. If you like the primitive 78-79 stuff there's a compilation of 74-76 material too, though tread carefully! The early Mallinder and Kirk solo stuff is also worthwhile. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:09:02 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol well, fuck me. while i like interpol myself (have the ep, & a friend dubbed me the lp) & atlanta is within easy driving distance (that's where i saw wire last time around, after all) of this hellhole (where i find myself newly unemployed), i'll be in arkansas that weekend. dan >I like Interpol quite a bit and am going to see them in concert here in >Atlanta on December 8. I'll let all of you know how the show is >afterwards. I'm a colossal fan of Joy Division/New Order and the only >Interpol song that even remotely reminds me of Joy Division is "Obstacle 1". > For the most part, Interpol reminds me of The Chameleons, Bauhaus, or >Ride. > >On the subject of Cabaret Voltaire, I recently made my first CV purchase: >The Original Sound Of Sheffield '78/'82: Best Of; It's an impressive >collection. Can any of you recommend some other CV albums? Thanks. > > >Jason > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:43:08 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol me... > > > >>from the guy who *only* likes 'The Pyramid Song'...(^_^)<< > > AndrewW in reply... >False. It's not even my favourite track on that *album* by Radiohead :) falser...that was me i was talking about...!!! i *could* mention Blackpool Lights here, but that might be taken the wrong way too...(unfair of me i know, but hey, wtf...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:36:11 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol me... > >>...made me dig out my 12" of Clock DVA's '4 Hours', it's all there for >me...<< Bursa banter... >Not made that connection, but now you say so.... The obvious band is the >Chameleons, though I realy see them more in terms of a stylised version of >someone like Galaxie 500 (who had a far bigger Joy Div fixation than >Interpol) yeah...The Chameleons...for personal reasons, i wish they didn't, but...the ending lead riff of 'Obstacle 1' is just TOO obviously Chameleon-like...hhhmmmm, interesting, a more 'stylised' Galaxie 500...you could hardly have a less 'stylised' Galaxie 500 could you...???? :) ...i can see what you're getting at though...i think... >Compare and contrast with the Vines (Nirvana), the Datsuns >(Deep Purple) or the Libertines (the Lurkers). Gimme JD as an influence any >day. The Vines (the new Kula Shaker), The Datsuns (the new Mudhoney)... for a while i've been (for some reason) really struggling to find a comparison with The Libertines (i've only heard the single...and liked it...for what it is...) so the new Lurkers will do fine, for now... hahaha...god, i loved The Lurkers... > >>from the guy who *only* likes 'The Pyramid Song'...(^_^)<< > >Aw, come on... seriously, it's the only Radiohead song thats impressed me enough to even think about getting hold of a copy...but let's not go down old road again...please... >* It remains one of the tragiedies of my life that I saw JD but once, yet >FoS three times.... seen Wire once...saw The Pirahnas four or five times back then... life, simply is not fair... ;0( ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:06:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol > hmmmm, interesting, a more 'stylised' Galaxie 500...you > could hardly have a less 'stylised' Galaxie 500 could you...???? :) Is it just me, or do Low sound like Galaxie 500 at times? That same quiet, gentleness, but with more feeling IMO. Trust is definitely one of my fave albums of the year now. > hahaha...god, i loved The Lurkers... Perhaps the most moronic OK band in the history of music! Got a real soft spot for I Don't Need To Tell Her!!! > seriously, it's the only Radiohead song thats impressed me enough to even > think about getting hold of a copy... Anyone else watching Celebrity Big Brother? Earlier tonight, we were treated to lovely little Mark Owen (ex-Take That!), gently strumming his acoustic, whilst singing *my* fave Radiohead song. "Faaaaaaade Out......" > seen Wire once...saw The Pirahnas four or five times back then... > life, simply is not fair... ;0( I never saw Wire first time round. As I mentioned yesterday, never ever saw Joy Division, but you guessed it. I saw The Piranha's too! (Cue spot of whistling...) Keith I smash the light in anger, I push my bed against the door I close my lids across the eyes, I wish to see no more (Gary Gilmores Eyes, The Adverts) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:09:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Interpol > >>Is it just me, or do Low sound like Galaxie 500 at times? That same quiet, > gentleness, but with more feeling IMO. Trust is definitely one of my fave > albums of the year now.<< Low are much less of a rock band than G500 - who were surprisingly muscular live. In the same vein (not a heroin reference!) have you heard Codeine? Pitched somewhere between G500 and Low.... both The White Birch and Frigid Stars LPs are essential slo-core... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T Fw: Austin City Limits Music Festival Subject: Fw: Austin City Limits Music Festival ----- Original Message ----- From: Capital Sports and Entertainment To: Recipient list suppressed Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:45 AMSubject: Austin City Limits Music Festival Greetings ACL Music Festival Friends: A Big "Thank You" First, we'd like to officially thank everyone for making the first ever Austin City Limits Music Festival a magical, watershed event. On September 28 and 29, more than 70,000 people from here and beyond came down to beautiful Zilker Park to experience live music, green spaces, and great food. The park overflowed with a spirit of friendship and celebration as everyone indulged in a musical feast that captured the soul of the city and lived up to the Austin City Limits name. 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