From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #398 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 26 2002 Volume 05 : Number 398 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT - gig spam] Chris Connely GB appearances next week [r] [idealcopy] Mothertruckers !! ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] Radio One ["Gary Owens" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT - gig spam] Chris Connely GB appearancesnext week ["P] [idealcopy] Re: ... guitar [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] ot: tot was Re: drummers [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] [OT] joke?? (was ot: tot) [Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT - gig spam] Chris Connely GB appearances next week gig spam was chatting with chris at his place of work yesterday. he mentioned that he is playing three dates next week in Nottingham and two other towns in support of ... primus anyways, chris is facile songwriter / singer whose solo material reflects not a bit his tenure in ministry and one of the nicest people you could ever meet as well those with the opportunity should get out and see him Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:02:20 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Mothertruckers !! Just heard on the radio this morning about a truckers dispute in France, they're blocking ports and major roads in protest. Let's hope this doesn't fuck things up for the lads for the last two gigs (Strasbourg tonight, Paris tommorrow)... Let's hope the road ahead is NOT so uncertain... Ref. the Microsoft review - the reviewer says Bruce is nearly 60... since when is 56 nearly 60 ?? Fucksake !! Fergus _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:02:06 -0000 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio One - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Radio One > John Roberts reminded me > > Don't think anyone mentioned this but on Wednesday or Thursday > >> Mark and Lard > >> played 'Eardrum Buzz' on daytime Radio One. > >> > Followed by the comments 'Great track, great band & still making brilliant > music.' > For those that aren't aware this was played as part of a feature whereby a > track is suggested by listeners, and played, that reflects one of three > off-the-wall news stories of the day. > Is the mystery list(en)er amongst us? > > AndyL You have reminded me... A few months ago on the very same show, one of the topical news story covered was about an Indian man who had the worlds hairiest ears, with an average hair length of 15cm in each ear.... .....Maybe it was the same List(ener) who suggested 'Eardrum Fuzz' > garo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:14:51 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT - gig spam] Chris Connely GB appearancesnext week > was chatting with chris at his place of work > yesterday. > he mentioned that he is playing three dates next week > in Nottingham and two other towns in support of ... > primus > Hmm - I'm not doubting you, but - Primus? Aren't they "on hiatus" right now? Didn't Bryan "Brain" Mantia join Guns'n'Roses? http://www.primussucks.com doesn't mention anything about this. http://www.lesclaypool.com shows some concert dates in the Midwest last week, then a gig at the Fillmore in S.F. on the 31st, so it could be possible. I wonder who they got to play durms? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:53:00 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ... guitar >From: Andrew Walkingshaw >Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad >It is true that some guitarists can sound *great* on whatever they play, >assuming it's not ludicrously out of tune[1], has a warped neck, or some >other thing. The normal guitarists' explanation is that tone's mostly in >the fingers. > >The rest of us just throw money and effects at the problem. Both approaches >have their moments, and great tone seems to be pretty independent of >"classic" chops (thankfully, given any guitarist who spends their entire >life trying to be one of Hendrix, Beck, Clapton or Page - or even worse, >Satriani, Vai, et al - tends to be *boring*.). Wire get great "treated" >guitar tone, in the same kind of way My Bloody Valentine did. The skill there >is more related to recording engineering than truly great guitar-playing in >the physical sense, though. > >- - Andrew (Parker P-38 Fly with active pickups into Boss ME-33 digital floor >effects into Peavey amp...) Never thought I'd see people exchanging gear info on the Wire list. ;) In response to the above, some guitarists can make music w/ any guitar, others need certain equipment. Sometimes it depends on what they're doing. I hesitate to bring up Robert Fripp's name again, but he's a perfect example. He's a virtuoso and caould make something musical (whether all enjoy it or not) w/ any guitar. But he can't play his part on Heroes w/ just any guitar (or it would sound completely different). Bruce Gilbert is (as he is very aware) not a great guitarist in the technical sense, but he is, I hope we agree, a great artist. Which model he uses probably isn't that important to him (hence, "a white one") but I would assume what is "in the shed" does matter. Or something like that. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:58:41 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front Not sure if this was mentioned yet but there's another dispatch at posteverything.com Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [corrected - OT - gig spam] Chris Connely GB appearancesnext week - --- Mark Wilson wrote: > > he mentioned that he is playing three dates next > week > > in Nottingham and two other towns in support of > ... > > primus > > I think you mean Prong, not Primus. yep those pr* bands always mix me up Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:47:54 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers In a message dated 11/22/02 6:57:39 PM GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Or currently, her status as a presenter of religious broadcasting. > Thankfully > Toyah's musical career seems to be behind her. Not sure even the > goat-smelling dwarves would associate her with the singer of "It'th a > mythtery". Or the fat punk bird out of Jubilee ;-) > /////sadly mark i fear you are wrong. a couple of weeks ago i found myself in northampton with a couple of hours to kill (a prospect even worse than a tones on tail album). whilst wandering around the town centre i found the local civic theatre. in pride of place was an ad for a forthcoming production of "kiss me kate" starring TW , no surprises for guessing that she was posing with a pair of leather chaps , a lassoo and a cowboy hat. (mind you , the other "gig" advertised was a package tour by go west , nick heyward and curiousity killed the cat. close call which is worse , that or toyah.....) beth is currently in an addictive teletubbies phase , so i have to suffer toyah's voiceovers on a daily (or maybe 8 times daily) basis. almost as bad as sheep farming in barnet. do you think this woman says no to many offers? p ps on the subject of stewart copeland , i recall him doing a duet with adam ant. was that as great as it sounds in theory? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:31:17 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front >>Not sure if this was mentioned yet but there's another dispatch at posteverything.com<< Containing the missing verse of Agfers... >>Tonal tattooing, practised in public. A battle for souls in the smallest of places. Ecstatic faces tell their own stories. Cloaked by the night we slip over the border.<< Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:40:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] the the Found this on The The page (Matt Johnson question and answer) http://www.thethe.com/sections/archive/mjhb_interview4.html Keith Dietmar: 1) There are rarely any cover versions you did, with the exception of "Hanky Panky" and the two songs on the "Shades of Blue" EP. If you would have to choose an artist out of the, say last 20 years to cover, who would you pick? 2) Are there any modern bands that influenced you, and did they have any influence on the musical changes you did over the years? 3) Which other bands should have been included in the "Interpretations" series? Or which bands would you like to see covering your stuff? 4) How did all the musical changes come across? Is some certain style starting to bore you, so you move ahead? MJ: 1) Probably Mark Hollis and Talk Talk. Undoubtedly one of the best songwriters and bands of the 1980's. Be hard to cover though as their songs were so enmeshed in their sound. 2) Well, depends what you mean by modern. Wire had a huge impact on me, particularly as I worked with them in the studio and played live with them. Also, Jim Thirlwell. As well as being a close friend I also really admire his work. Talk Talk I enjoyed too. I became good friends with Paul the bass player and ended up using quite a few of the same musicians as them. People like Danny Thompson, Mark Feltham and Danny Cummings. But I've always been more interested in finding my own voice and getting out what's inside me than in being overly influenced by outside forces. I should also mention artists like Thomas Leer, Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle although of course I was a teenager when I was listening to them so probably more susceptible to influence. 3) Oh, that's a difficult one. So many, but whether they'd be available or not is another matter. Cat Power and Siga Ross for starters. 4) It's really an organic process rather than something contrived. You just feel that a certain style is no longer really expressing what you feel so you end up groping around in the dark until you find something that feels ... slightly more comfortable, more exciting and more ... 'you'. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:33:13 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front Crazy burblings from Lewis....Mr hatstand has clearly entered the tourbus. Or did B*** H*** sneak onboard, ( in the dead of night at some lonely Eastern European border crossing) and start e-mailing Posteverything using EGL's un-attended Powerbook. Its one or the other. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian B" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front > Not sure if this was mentioned yet but there's another dispatch at > posteverything.com > > Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:05:51 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Even Cabaret Voltaire have got a DVD out! FSAMTV is great, and has bridged the gap for us hardcore fans. But it would be great to have an offical Wire DVD on the shelves. Its also a great time to release such things. There are so few music DVDs available (in the UK at least) that any new release is going to get plenty of reviews, and shelf-space in most stores. So its going to be picked up by more than just us die-hard fans. Many minds will be Wire-ed! These are things that get you new fans! Why, even Cabaret Voltaire have a DVD out. And a very curious item it is too. Its correctly packaged in a Designers Republic cover (after Neville Brody), has sleeve notes by Richard H Kirk, and features two live shows filmed on cheap betamax at the Hacienda in 1983 and 1986. As such is captures CV in two interesting transitions (between RT and Virgin and between Virgin and EMI). CV play under dim lights, occasionally illuminated by a strobe or visual backdrop...you get only fleeting glimpses of what is going on..but its been nicely re-mastered so it looks arty (whereas the original VHS would have just looked cheap and nasty!). Fortunately its intercut with CVs cut-up video bits and captures the right mood. It also sounds superb (crisp and punchy stereo...someone did a great job with the sound), and CV are on top form. Plus you get three splendid promos tagged on, including a wonderful atmospheric clip for 'Sluggin For Jesus' and a mesmerising 'Yashar'. Its worth seeing because if like me, you never saw CV Live in their prime, it adds a whole new dimension to what they were about. It serves them well. Anyway. If CV can stick a DVD out (and sort out licensing problems with Virgin, EMI and whoever owns the Rough Trade, Crepuscule and Factory copyrights these days)...I'm sure Wire could. A double DVD would be cool, with all the promos, the Rockpalast thing, the MTV wire, and other TV clips. Plus maybe some footage from recent tours, and the ace promo they did for 'In The Art of Stopping'...and lord knows what else they have in their archives. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:48:30 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Even Cabaret Voltaire have got a DVD out! Though, as a fan, I agree that I would love to see such an item, these things take time and energy. Wire, being a going concern, seems far more interested (characteristicly so) in current affairs. And I dont know if they would be apt to let someone else have a go at the compilation, editing, and whatnot. Of course, anyone with sufficient time and energy could try them - they're really not that hard to get ahold of... as to the timing, there are 100s of music DVD titles statesid, and more weekly shit neil young has 2 or 3 The cabs release is intriguing tho So far as *their* current output - rh kirk seems able to generate elektro/dub by the numbers, seemingly at will - and - does anyone know what malinder is up to? [compiling video footage?] so - in short - i would be happy to buy a dvd of said archival material, but if i'm not mistaken, such a project would not be a priority for our currently touring, recording lads - --- Tim wrote: > FSAMTV is great, and has bridged the gap for us > hardcore fans. But it would > be great to have an offical Wire DVD on the shelves. > > Its also a great time to release such things. There > are so few music DVDs > available (in the UK at least) that any new release > is going to get plenty > of reviews, and shelf-space in most stores. So its > going to be picked up by > more than just us die-hard fans. Many minds will be > Wire-ed! These are > things that get you new fans! > > Why, even Cabaret Voltaire have a DVD out. And a > very curious item it is > too. Its correctly packaged in a Designers Republic > cover (after Neville > Brody), has sleeve notes by Richard H Kirk, and > features two live shows > filmed on cheap betamax at the Hacienda in 1983 and > 1986. As such is > captures CV in two interesting transitions (between > RT and Virgin and > between Virgin and EMI). CV play under dim lights, > occasionally illuminated > by a strobe or visual backdrop...you get only > fleeting glimpses of what is > going on..but its been nicely re-mastered so it > looks arty (whereas the > original VHS would have just looked cheap and > nasty!). Fortunately its > intercut with CVs cut-up video bits and captures the > right mood. It also > sounds superb (crisp and punchy stereo...someone did > a great job with the > sound), and CV are on top form. Plus you get three > splendid promos tagged > on, including a wonderful atmospheric clip for > 'Sluggin For Jesus' and a > mesmerising 'Yashar'. > Its worth seeing because if like me, you never saw > CV Live in their prime, > it adds a whole new dimension to what they were > about. It serves them well. > > Anyway. If CV can stick a DVD out (and sort out > licensing problems with > Virgin, EMI and whoever owns the Rough Trade, > Crepuscule and Factory > copyrights these days)...I'm sure Wire could. > > A double DVD would be cool, with all the promos, the > Rockpalast thing, the > MTV wire, and other TV clips. Plus maybe some > footage from recent tours, and > the ace promo they did for 'In The Art of > Stopping'...and lord knows what > else they have in their archives. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:29:26 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers >a couple of weeks ago i found myself in >northampton with a couple of hours to kill (a prospect even worse than a >tones on tail album). Good God, Man! That's funny! I almost need a warning, though - I just about laughed my coffee up my nose! Cheers, Paul P.S. and I actually *like* Tones on Tail! (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:00:31 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot: tot was Re: drummers In a message dated 11/25/02 10:30:34 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: >>a couple of weeks ago i found myself in >>northampton with a couple of hours to kill (a prospect even worse than >a >>tones on tail album). > >Good God, Man! That's funny! > >I almost need a warning, though - I just about laughed my coffee up my >nose! what am i missing here? could this be as funny with any other band name thrown in in place of tones on tail, or is the joke specific to them? i'm sure i'm not the only one here who liked them...album included. - -paul (slender fungus) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:24:20 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More news from the front distractedly frugs can someone explain frugs? nice piece. as mark pointed out, and there were a couple of spots in pt1, graham has got his agfers going :o) -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:17:33 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] joke?? (was ot: tot) >>>a couple of weeks ago i found myself in >>>northampton with a couple of hours to kill (a prospect even >>>worse than a tones on tail album). >> >>Good God, Man! That's funny! >> > >what am i missing here? could this be as funny with any other >band name thrown in in place of tones on tail, or is the joke >specific to them? i'm sure i'm not the only one here who liked >them...album included. I don't know what made it funny - it just made me really laugh. And, like I said - I'm a Tones on Tail fan. (^_^) Maybe it was the fact that Northampton sounded rather bleak, and that matched the picture of Tones on Tail in my mind. Or, maybe it was the author's implied utter contempt that rattled my cage. I think it's probably too late now to speculate if it would have been funnier with Duran Duran, or Haircut 100, or ... etc. (^_^;) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:47:24 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the so did matt ever release his track that was based on "the other window"? he was talking about it at the point he released his box set maybe 6 months ago but didn't mention the title. any ideas? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:51:14 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers In a message dated 11/25/2002 10:29:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > P.S. and I actually *like* Tones on Tail! (^_^) /////well they weren't the worst act on the planet , but they were the worst act from northampton i could think of at short notice. putting the roadie in the band never quite works does it? mind you , never could see much to get excited about in love & rockets either. you realise if we've now moved from the 77 artpunk retro to 79/80 post punk retro then a goth revival is maybe 6 months away at the accelerating pace we seem to be at. i do not think this is a good thing. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #398 *******************************