From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #395 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 395 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:24:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers << i'm reminded of the quote from 'Totale's Turns' (i think)... 'will you fucking get it together, instead of showing off (ah)...' >> To Steve Hanley of all people! It's when he does a little bass run in No Xmas for John Quays. Just the standard two notes will do-ah. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:43:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers > >After all, can you really trust the taste of a bloke who married Toyah > >bleedin' Wilcox? > > > >Keith > > What a silly thing to say. Touched a nerve have we. But you're right it was a silly thing to say. I never pretended any diferent for one minute. Still, if you'd seen the late night sex chat show that was presented over here by Mrs Fripp a few yrs back, then you might think she was a right sad cow too. > They've been happily married for almost 20 > years. Doing any better? Is that any of your business? Still at least my partner and I live together. > Maybe he uses her status as a British pop star to hide from the shame of > not having his guitar playing appreciated by pop music fans. What a silly thing to say. Still, if you think being called a 'pop music fan' by a Frippite is going to hurt... > Dwarfs indeed. indeed. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:00:46 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Bass, how low can you go...was...er...what Gear or something... there's a simply beautiful slate-grey Fender P-Bass sitting in Dawson's shop window in Liverpool city centre, that i've 'just been looking at' for a few weeks now...630 quid...i want, i want, i want...and i'm not even going to touch...(^_^)...it may well be a pile of crap to play...but it looks 'fab, gear'... ...which is stupid really...because i already have a lovely early 70's Fender Precision (white (now nicotine yellow), black scratchplate) which i've had for over 20 years... ooopppsss...joined in on that thread there, kind of...slaps wrist... ian.s.j. np - The Chameleons, early demo's _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:25:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bass, how low can you go...was...er...what Gear or something... << ...which is stupid really...because i already have a lovely early 70's Fender Precision (white (now nicotine yellow), black scratchplate) which i've had for over 20 years... ooopppsss...joined in on that thread there, kind of...slaps wrist... >> Ian, does that make you.... The gear head from Pier Head???? Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:16:31 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bass, how low can you go...was...er...what Gear or something... On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:25:14PM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > << ...which is stupid really...because i already have a lovely early 70's > Fender Precision (white (now nicotine yellow), black scratchplate) which > i've had for over 20 years... Guitarists. Check. Bassist. Check. Right. To steal one of Mr. Hick's ideas, all we need is a drummer and... *ta-DA* the Ideal Copycats! - - ducking and running, Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:35:27 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] many many live gigs Sympathies Paul - although having Monument Valley in-state must provide some non-musical compensation. The topography around here is deadly in its dullness. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ye To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: [idealcopy] many many live gigs > To the IC'ers that live in the big towns and in Europe please don't forget > where you are. You could after all live in Utah where there are no such > stoppovers. Let's take Swans for example. They played a club here and were > so pissed that the crowd was sitting drinking and carrying on without even > facing the stage while songs were being played and Micheal Gira smashed his > guitar on stage and yelled "I am never fucking coming back!" Or, Wire's > only gig here in 1991 was canceled at the last minute and haven't been back > (not that I blame them). It is just that there is no audience here for > this type of music. I am sure that Rick (ibtaba@attbi.com) and I are the > only IC'ers in the whole state. I certainly wish I could have seen Wire in > all their phases. The EMI phase was before I knew who they were, but the > other two I was definately a part of even though my first Wire gig was > September 6th, 2002. And that one I had to drive 10 hours to get there. > Now there's a man who could take advantage. You all live Wire, and I dream > of it. I just hope everyone appreciates it! I just hope Wire plays one > more time somewhere in the mid or western US so I can go again. I think the > next time I will be willing to travel a thousand miles instead of 400. That > is my thought for the day. I am well spent spent spent spent spent. > > paulye154 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:32:48 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad In a message dated 11/22/02 9:33:52 AM, normf@bigfoot.com writes: > >Norm (Westbury Classic (25 years old) with Di-marzio pickups. Zoom >Multi-effects into Marshall 10W Practice Combo) > >Wish it was > >Norm (USA Fender Strat now norm, while a fender may be the diamond here, don't go knockin that pearl you've got! i have 2 westbury's (one bought new 22 years ago, the other picked up 2nd hand for a buck and quarter maybe 16 yrs ago). i love my westbury, made right here in um, ur, westbury new york :o) by korg/unicord. and now for my first time tryin on the ol anorak...too bad it's not a bit of wire trivia, but...al kizys of swans played a westbury bass first time i saw them. hehe, also the only time i saw a bass player break a string! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:47:13 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers As a prog fan, I never really regarded Crimson as progressive rock after the first three albums. By Red and Lark's Tongues they'd moved over into the jazz-rock arena for me and I lost interest, although I was back in the Fripp camp for the excellent Exposure. I haven't heard these albums in years but I suspect that I'd now get rather more out of Lark's Tongue than In the Wake of Poseidon, say. Listening to the prog classics (by the sort of bands listed by Michael below) is a strangely split-brain experience for me now. On the one hand I can regard them as silly, indulgent, over-fussy and embarrassing while I can simultaneously re-experience the thrill I had listening to them at the time. Oddly, because I was not as fond of them at the time as other bands (and the Tales from Topographic Oceans tour remains the worst three hours I ever spent at a gig), Yes hold up better than most, especially Fragile and Close to the Edge which have a grandeur about them. I, of course, exclude Van der Graaf Generator from this as they're just thrilling - no need to reprogramme my brain there. New Hammill tour in the UK and Europe just announced - I know no-one wants to know this but I've got to evangelise somewhere. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Flaherty > ><< Don't mean to cause trouble but I have to disagree here.If anything > Mark I > >would suggest it might be an age thing rather than a US v Brit thing.<< > > As you and Kevin Eden are Crimson fans, it's not an entirely US vs. Brit > thing any way. > > I don't have any albums by Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, Genesis, > ... etc. I've always rather wished that after the original band had broken > up, Fripp would have carried on w/ a different name, just so Greg Lake > would not be counted as a former member! > > Perhaps what makes a Wire fan a Crimson fan is hearing what's NOT prog > about Crimson? I know, many exceptions--as always. > > Further note: Does music that is technical, that is not emotional nor > soulful, and that is played by virtuosos necessarily mean music above > technique? (Take away the virtuoso part, and many would say the same > things about 154, by the way.) Although Crimson is very complex and very > objective, they're never about everyone just playing as fast as they can. > In this way, as w/ the darker mood than usually found w/ prog, they have > more in common w/ electric Miles Davis or w/ Bartok than they do the above > bands. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:46:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers > > They've been happily married for almost 20 > > years. Doing any better? > > Is that any of your business? > > Still at least my partner and I live together. I was, of course, referring to the Fripps who live apart for most of the year. I just read this back and it sounded like I might be having a dig at Michael. I wasn't. I know nothing about his personal life. I was just having a bit of fun. At least I like his playing on Heroes. (And once again, I don't mean Michael) Keith np Appliance - imperial metric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:30:29 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Trash & Treasure @ US Gigs Trash/Treasure was the first song played on the PA after Wire's set in Chicago, Boston, and NYC ~Michael - ---------------- paul : does anyone have a set list from a 2002 u.s. gig? ny maybe? like i said, i bought r&b02 at the show, so i'm not sure which songs they may not have played. i know the did read & burn, spent and 99.9, they did mr. marx's table, and they did all of r&b01. that would make a 10 song main set...which does sound kinda accurate. i do feel as if i heard something that night similar to trash/treasure. maybe mr. marx's table just left me hearing double :o) -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:33:44 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trash & Treasure @ US Gigs In a message dated 11/22/02 11:31:11 PM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: >Trash/Treasure was the first song played on the PA after Wire's set in > >Chicago, Boston, and NYC a ha! thank you michael. i knew when i listened to the cd the first time that i had heard trash/treasure before. -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:03:23 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: Oooh - as long as we're talking about gear okie dokie, here goes: black westbury standard, all original natural wood w/clearcoat westbury standard, afaik original as well blonde (cream color, not light wood) 1969 telecaster, white pickguard (scratchplate!), all original everything except the frets n strings...my baby (shhh, don't tell the black westbury) cheap ibanez strat copy/ kapa continental 12 string/ hagstrom medium scale bass neck on no name body with i forget what kind of pickups, but it can make a lot of noise!/ peavey bass, cheap ventura acoustic (but i like it)/ roland jc120 amp/ loads of old effects from electro harmonix and others, but i currently use just a cry baby wah wah, dod 2 sec digital delay, korg reverb, and sometimes a digitech gsp multi effects unit (noisy as hell, but easy to work with)/ and i don't leave home without my e-bow/ stuff that pretty much lays around the house right now includes a roland tr505, roland jx8p, mini moog made for radio shack with realistic name on it, old yamaha sequencer, tascam portastudio that doesn't rewind or ff anymore...pro tools, take me away! -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:25:12 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Doors reform copeland/frippercomment thrown in In a message dated 11/22/02 4:10:33 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >And it doesn't end there. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome on drums, >= >Mr.....Stewart Copeland!!! ugh. okay, i'm slippin an encyclopedia into my pants to prepare for the spankin i may get... i was a huge, i mean huge, police fan for their entire career (well, starting with the first album. i got the fallout single after that). now i'm padding my backside with the complete works of marcel duchamp... in 1981 i got a vanity license plate (tag in the u.k.?) that read "dedododo" and if i didn't live in a state that requires front and back plates i probably would've done dedadada on the back myself. so, that brings me to the defense of one mr. stewart copeland. i have always maintained that while the police may not have been everyone's cup of tea (in or out of the sahara...ooh, i'm grimacing), that the three boys had good taste. in other words, they played tastefully, largely avoiding all the doodly doodly crap that most rock bands force down the throats of their adoring fans. quick diversion back to robert fripp for a sec...while he's as technically proficient as they come on this planet, i've never considered him to be a wanker on the fretboard. i don't hear his stuff as doodly doodly at all, just very precise, intricate, mathematical yes, but not soulless. back to stewart...okay, we've all seen sting riding around in the back of a jaguar, and making a fool of himself in various other places. you really let me down mr. sting, starting with that first solo album, and it kept getting worse. andy, at least you've kept a pretty low profile. and byrne & eno did a much better album than you & fripp. c'mon, think man think...or don't think, do. and now the doors reunion. what the hell are you thinking stewy, i'd really like to know. you didn't blow your gazillion dollars in monaco, did you? will it really be fun for you to play doors material? i didn't listen to that thing you did with the phish guy and the primus guy, but i heard it wasn't too good. hey, i also heard you'll be playing a short set at the police's induction into the hall of fame. i'm sure it'll be easy to convince sting that you should do a medley...if he hasn't already thought of it :o\ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:38:42 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] alternate mixes well i hope they don't go teh same route as lush did with the gala cd. it would be nice if the r&b "eps" had tracks not featured on the album to be. i don't like the thought of buying an album just to get one more song i don't have. maybe the alternate mixes will be reeeeaaaallllly different from the ones we have now? that would make it more worthwhile for me. -paul c.d. If it was as different as the LFO mix of Take It, I could handle that.\ paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #395 *******************************