From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #394 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 394 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad [Andrew Walkings] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad [rayographique <] Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy]micro$oft reviews wire [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Technology Marches On [Stage] [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Re: u.s. set lists ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes [Miles Goosens ] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad [MarkBursa@aol.c] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad ["Norm Fasey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy]micro$oft reviews wire ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers ["ian.s. jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:10:07 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:14:32PM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/21/02 5:18:54 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > >When people have asked me what kind > >of guitar I play, the answer I give is 'a white one.' > > i remember daniel ash answering a question like that, something > like "i don't care. it's just a pice of wood with 6 strings on > it"...don't believe it for a minute ;o) -paul c.d. It is true that some guitarists can sound *great* on whatever they play, assuming it's not ludicrously out of tune[1], has a warped neck, or some other thing. The normal guitarists' explanation is that tone's mostly in the fingers. The rest of us just throw money and effects at the problem. Both approaches have their moments, and great tone seems to be pretty independent of "classic" chops (thankfully, given any guitarist who spends their entire life trying to be one of Hendrix, Beck, Clapton or Page - or even worse, Satriani, Vai, et al - tends to be *boring*.). Wire get great "treated" guitar tone, in the same kind of way My Bloody Valentine did. The skill there is more related to recording engineering than truly great guitar-playing in the physical sense, though. - - Andrew (Parker P-38 Fly with active pickups into Boss ME-33 digital floor effects into Peavey amp...) [1] ie, out of tune by incompetence instead of design; Sonic Youth are a good example of the tactical use of slightly-out-of-tune guitars :) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad ... > > >When people have asked me what kind > > >of guitar I play, the answer I give is 'a white > one.' .... Oh, *that's* what a guitar is... Thanks, I'v been wondering what to call it. Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:30:41 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/21/02 > ...maybe the alternate mixes will be > reeeeaaaallllly different from the > ones we have now? What are the odds? [i'm thinking drill here] Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy]micro$oft reviews wire i'm impressed considering my generally dismal [sic] outlook on a: micro$oft b: online music services c: online music reviews d: reviews [and reviewers] ingeneral i was surprised by the following results to a query on 'wire' at micro$soft's windowsmediaplayer [wimp] online music shop Read & Burn 02 Album Details: Released: 2002 AMG Rating: Genre: Rock Label: Pink Flag Length: No tracks currently available for this CD [well this part wasn't surprising] Related Artists: Album Review: Joy Division, Pere Ubu, Television, The Fall, The Mekons, X-Ray Spex, D.A.F., Fad Gadget, SPK, A.C. Marias, Bruce Gilbert, Colin Newman, Dome, Gilbert/Hampson/Kendall, Graham Lewis On their post-millennial return to the studio, Wire rediscovered no-nonsense noisemaking, trashing the art component of their pioneering art punk identity and throwing themselves headlong into a fast, loud, and bilious new philistinism. The band's first salvo, Read & Burn 01, was a stomping, short, sharp shocker, the aural equivalent of getting jumped in a dark alley by a bunch of irate, amphetamine-addled pensioners (well, Bruce Gilbert was nearing 60 when the CD appeared). A few months later, with listeners still cowering in the corner groping about for their glasses and checking for broken bones, the thuggish quartet came back to put the boot in again. Grounded in the three Rs (repetition, repetition, and repetition), Read & Burn 02 shares its predecessor's hit-and-run aesthetic: it's a post-industrial punk rock barrage of buzzing, stinging guitars; chunky bass lines; and clockwork beats littered with terse, strangled vocals that fall somewhere between bolshy, pre-brawl aggression and football-terrace chants. The sound of Wire 2002 rarely lets you catch your breath. From the title track's deconstructed glam rock rhythms to the metallic rush of "Nice Streets Above" to the hectoring speedcore of "Raft Ants," these numbers seem fueled by a "last-one-to-the-end-of-the-song's-a-sissy" competition among the bandmembers. But while the overriding feel is one of menace and urgency, there are some less-fraught moments. It's a good cop/bad cop routine: Amid the general sonic onslaught, part of "Trash/Treasure" sees Colin Newman trading his heckling delivery for almost soothing vocals and Wire playing pop in a way that recalls their better '80s material. Still, Gilbert, Grey, Graham Lewis, and Newman have never had much time for nostalgia, and the new level of assaultive energy here emphasizes that the band is still reinventing itself. Read & Burn 02 is the sound of Wire not so much looking back as looking forward in anger. - - Authored By Wilson Neate Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:50:43 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy]micro$oft reviews wire On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:46:55AM -0800, rayographique wrote: > i'm impressed > considering my generally dismal [sic] outlook on > a: micro$oft > b: online music services > c: online music reviews > d: reviews [and reviewers] ingeneral > > i was surprised by the following results to a query on > 'wire' at micro$soft's windowsmediaplayer [wimp] > online music shop Aren't they (WMP reviews) normally the same as the All Music Guide's? (AMG on the whole I find to be not that bad, and at least they review a good proportion of obscure stuff.) > "Raft Ants," these numbers seem fueled by a > "last-one-to-the-end-of-the-song's-a-sissy" > competition among the bandmembers. I need to steal this quote. :) - - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:23:26 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tetchy Critters? > Where do you live? None of your business. > When did you first hear WIRE? 1978. > When did you first see them play a gig? Alas, never. > What did you think of Read & Burn 02? Very good, but I prefer R&B 01 actually. Happy now? G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:55:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Technology Marches On [Stage] > >>there was this thing called the human clock (if i remembered the name > right) > that came up around 1986-87, yet didn't have sustained popularity cuz of (i > > think) problems with the technology at that time which didn't allow it to > be > as human as musicians probably wanted it to be. the basic premise was that > a > live drummer could actually pace the sequencer and other electronics. the > electronics would keep time with the person rather than the other way > around. > i'm pretty sure the problem had something to do with delay time from teh > unit > as the human would change tempo, making it kinda undesirable to most > musicians.<< > > It was made by Kahler and was indeed called the Human Clock.Long flat > rack-mount job with several knobs on it. Always wanted to try one but it > came and went in a flash. I still look out for secondhand ones - even if it > is limited it could have interesting possibilities ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:34:28 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: u.s. set lists go to www.elysium-sl.com/wire.htm where you wil find the set list used for (seemingly) all US gigs. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: November 22, 2002 12:51 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: u.s. set lists In a message dated 11/21/02 6:04:35 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> >>They didn't play Raft Ants. >> I think some people mistook Mr Marx's Table for Raft Ants at the US gigs.<< > >The set seems to be pretty much fixed. No raft ants, nice streets or >trash/treasure. does anyone have a set list from a 2002 u.s. gig? ny maybe? like i said, i bought r&b02 at the show, so i'm not sure which songs they may not have played. i know the did read & burn, spent and 99.9, they did mr. marx's table, and they did all of r&b01. that would make a 10 song main set...which does sound kinda accurate. i do feel as if i heard something that night similar to trash/treasure. maybe mr. marx's table just left me hearing double :o) -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:32:47 -0000 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Walkingshaw" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad > The rest of us just throw money and effects at the problem. Both approaches > have their moments, and great tone seems to be pretty independent of > "classic" chops (thankfully, given any guitarist who spends their entire > life trying to be one of Hendrix, Beck, Clapton or Page - or even worse, > Satriani, Vai, et al - tends to be *boring*.). Wire get great "treated" > guitar tone, in the same kind of way My Bloody Valentine did. The skill there > is more related to recording engineering than truly great guitar-playing in > the physical sense, though. And of course the choice of Amp. I noticed at Brighton that Colin and BC both went for Mesa Boogie amps. Plus I think they were both using Line6 pods which enable you to emulate lots of other amp sounds. > - Andrew (Parker P-38 Fly with active pickups into Boss ME-33 digital floor > effects into Peavey amp...) > Norm (Westbury Classic (25 years old) with Di-marzio pickups. Zoom Multi-effects into Marshall 10W Practice Combo) Wish it was Norm (USA Fender Strat (none of yer Japanese Crap), Steinburger 'Cricket Bat' Guitar, Zoom Multi-effects and Vox AC-30) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:34:36 -0000 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tetchy Critters? OOOOOOHHHH!! Handbags at twenty paces! ;-) Norm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tetchy Critters? > > Where do you live? > None of your business. > > > When did you first hear WIRE? > 1978. > > > When did you first see them play a gig? > Alas, never. > > > What did you think of Read & Burn 02? > Very good, but I prefer R&B 01 actually. > > Happy now? > G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:46:38 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes At 06:05 PM 11/21/2002 -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >> >>Did "Ten Years After" disappear, or morph into something else? I've only >> heard it the one time on Peel's broadcast of some of the ATP performances >> (and I wasn't set up to tape it).<< > >It's Spent. Same song, different title. Ah, thanks, Mark! Since I didn't record the song on Peel, I didn't have a chance to go back to it, so only the general sound of that particular performance and the (then-)title stuck in my mind, and it didn't register that it was the same song when R&B02 showed up in my mailbox. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:06:26 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad Obviously amps/effects have a lot to do with how a guitar sounds. If you're doing what Bruce does you don't need a particularly distinctive sounding guitar. Bruce's 'axes' seem to have one humbucking pick-up which probably gives a clean but loud and 'heavy' tone - ideal for distorting :-) My main guitar, which I've had for 21 years now (a 1966 Fender Musicmaster, which some time in the 70s was customised with a DiMarzio humbucker at the bridge) is great for that sort of thing whereas my other one* (69 competition Mustang) just has 2 single coil pickups so it sounds less powerful distorted but better 'clean'. Mind you I've always used tons of effects, especially the MXR distortion+ (the prince of fuzz boxes) the Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress flanger (probably my favourite effect ever) and the EH Memory Man delay/chorus. It really depends how much you rely on effects. If you're playing 'clean' the sound of the differnet main types of guitar (telecaster, strat, les paul, rickenbacker etc) becomes pretty obvious. Mark * Actually have quite a few guitars/basses etc, I'm just trying not to look like a total gear nerd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:12:07 -0000 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad Although I love the sound of my old Westbury (which I am told is a collectors item now!)... If I could keep that fat distorted sound I get from Di-marzios but also have the nice easy action of a Fender Strat, then I would have found my prefect axe :). Mark. Do you play in a band or is it just bedroom fret-wanking these days :) Norm - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad > Obviously amps/effects have a lot to do with how a guitar sounds. If you're > doing what Bruce does you don't need a particularly distinctive sounding > guitar. Bruce's 'axes' seem to have one humbucking pick-up which probably > gives a clean but loud and 'heavy' tone - ideal for distorting :-) > > My main guitar, which I've had for 21 years now (a 1966 Fender Musicmaster, > which some time in the 70s was customised with a DiMarzio humbucker at the > bridge) is great for that sort of thing whereas my other one* (69 competition > Mustang) just has 2 single coil pickups so it sounds less powerful distorted > but better 'clean'. > > Mind you I've always used tons of effects, especially the MXR distortion+ > (the prince of fuzz boxes) the Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress flanger > (probably my favourite effect ever) and the EH Memory Man delay/chorus. > > It really depends how much you rely on effects. If you're playing 'clean' the > sound of the differnet main types of guitar (telecaster, strat, les paul, > rickenbacker etc) becomes pretty obvious. > > Mark > > * Actually have quite a few guitars/basses etc, I'm just trying not to look > like a total gear nerd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:29:20 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad << Although I love the sound of my old Westbury (which I am told is a collectors item now!)... If I could keep that fat distorted sound I get from Di-marzios but also have the nice easy action of a Fender Strat, then I would have found my prefect axe :).<< Pretty much what I've got, with the added bonus of a shorter scale (the Musicmaster was designed as a 'beginner's guitar' so is easier to play). It still has the original shitty cheap pick-up which I like too, and the guy that customised it wired it so you can have that and the humbucker going together. >> Mark. Do you play in a band or is it just bedroom fret-wanking these days :) >> Bedroom fret-wanking these days. Though I'm always open to offers ;-) The possibilities of digital recording have certainly reawakened my inner muso... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:44:06 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers At 06:18 PM 11/21/02 EST, you wrote: > > >>Further note: Does music that is technical, that is not emotional nor > soulful, and that is played by virtuosos necessarily mean music above ><< > > > There's a line in Repetition, the B-side of the Fall's first single, which >goes "If you're sick of fancy music-ah!" So ... by that logic does all jazz (talking real jazz, not instrumental pop) and classical music suck too? Minimalism? I don't mean to pester, just genuinely curious. As I've said before, the idea of something being bad because it's difficult is no more (nor less) absurd to me than the idea that something is bad because it was not difficult (something die-hard prog people often maintain). By fancy music I'm assuming, because of the context in which you quoted it, that Smith means music that's not basic. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:09:11 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers << So ... by that logic does all jazz (talking real jazz, not instrumental pop) and classical music suck too? Minimalism? I don't mean to pester, just genuinely curious.<< Well of course not. And MES's sentiments were expressed on a song written in 1977, a time when of course opinions were polarised. And one of my favourite 77 albums is Television's Marquee Moon, the guitar work on which one could class as "fancy"... though not in a way where technique distracts from the overall effect. >>As I've said before, the idea of something being bad because it's difficult is no more (nor less) absurd to me than the idea that something is bad because it was not difficult (something die-hard prog people often maintain). << Agreed. >> By fancy music I'm assuming, because of the context in which you quoted it, that Smith means music that's not basic. >> Well there was certainly a 'no frills' policy within the band. But you have to bear in mind MES is a fan of Can, Beefheart etc, which you couldn't describe as 'basic', and where the playing is by technically very competent musicians. but without the 9/22 time and 1/64 notes beloved of Miles' dwarves ;-) Heck, Can's first 4 albums are as "progressive" as you'll hear. Yet they continue to fascinate, and still sound fresh, unlike most 70s Britprog, which to me is utterly unlistenable. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:56 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]micro$oft reviews wire > Aren't they (WMP reviews) normally the same as the All Music Guide's? > (AMG on the whole I find to be not that bad, and at least they review > a good proportion of obscure stuff.) > Yup - they use AMG as their information source. If you go to http://www.allmusic.com , search for Wire, and look up the review for Read & Burn 02, you'll see the same review. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad > Norm (USA Fender Strat (none of yer Japanese Crap) not certain, but I think the current crap Fender crap is Korean ;) Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:34:34 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire mention in November's Tower's Pulse magazine Hi everyone, I've been meaning to type this in for the last few days - sorry! (^_^) In the current issue of Tower's "Pulse" magazine (Nov. 2002 - U.S. edition), there is a Tower Essentials column that is entitled "All The Rage - - The Rise and Squall of U.K. punk". Wire is mentioned a couple of times in the article. Once in the main body of the article: "Other British artists who owed their first flush of recognition to the punk revolution, among them Siouxsie & The Banshees, the Fall, Wire, the Damned, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Ian Dury, Joy Division, and the Boomtown Rats, each had, for one reason or another, a profound and lasting impact (most branching out far beyond punk), making the so-called alternative rock of subsequent decades possible and permanently altering the definition of rock and roll." Then, in the "Essential Listening" sub-column, coming in at #13: "Wire, Pink Flag (Restless) - Wire was never strictly punk, and quickly outgrew it, but this first effort, stuffed with short, fast, intelligent songs, is a must-hear. Colin Newman's minimalist manifestos had a massive impact on art-punks." Finally, in the "Further Listening" sub-column, Wire is mentioned again: Wire, Chairs Missing (both Restless). It's funny, though - I think they were going to mention 154 as well. Note the "both Restless" tag. Hmmm - Colin Newman's minimalist manifestos, eh? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:37:15 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad << > Norm (USA Fender Strat (none of yer Japanese Crap) not certain, but I think the current crap Fender crap is Korean ;) >> No, that's the crap Gibson crap. The crap Fender crap is Mexican. The Japanese stuff is really good now. Not that I'd buy a new guitar :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:43:10 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:30:18AM -0800, rayographique wrote: > > Norm (USA Fender Strat (none of yer Japanese Crap) > not certain, but I think the current crap Fender crap > is Korean > ;) Mexican, mostly. (Everything which is sold as Fender below the American Standard ranges is Mexican; the Japanese factories serve the Japanese market these days, as I understand it. Squiers are made in China, that being even cheaper than Korea.) My Parker, being from their "budget"[1] range, is Japanese to an American design (http://www.parkerguitars.com/; Ibanez make most of their guitars out there also, despite the design happening in Spain. Boss/Roland are Japanese as well, of course. [1] ie, "under 1000UKP": you'll pay at least 500 quid even if you shop around. I saved quite heavily and bought it for myself for my 21st birthday. Details: http://www.parkerguitars.com/ModelsNew/PSeries/P38.htm . Why, yes, I am a gearhead; deal with it :) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:44:39 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? > My main guitar, which I've had for 21 years now (a 1966 Fender Musicmaster, > which some time in the 70s was customised with a DiMarzio humbucker at the > bridge) is great for that sort of thing whereas my other one* (69 competition > Mustang) just has 2 single coil pickups so it sounds less powerful distorted > but better 'clean'. > Oooh - as long as we're talking about gear, I'll list mine: 1987 Fender Stratocaster Plus - "American Standard" 1997 Fender Stratocaster Plus Deluxe - "American Standard" 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic 198x Fender 75 amplifier (black grill - all tube - except solid state rectifiers) ...and many, many stomp boxes. BTW - for those wondering - American Standard is not some sort of weird, world-wide put-down. It's Fender's way of referencing where the guitar was made, and the shape of the neck. Fender offers quite a few different fret-board radii now - some classic '60s, others early '70s, and the American Standard was a compromise version that fell midway between them. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:07:41 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? Mine: Pentium 833 Roland PC180 controller Reason 1.0 Acid 1.0 SoundForge 4.0 I rock. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco Sent: November 22, 2002 12:45 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? > My main guitar, which I've had for 21 years now (a 1966 Fender Musicmaster, > which some time in the 70s was customised with a DiMarzio humbucker at the > bridge) is great for that sort of thing whereas my other one* (69 competition > Mustang) just has 2 single coil pickups so it sounds less powerful distorted > but better 'clean'. > Oooh - as long as we're talking about gear, I'll list mine: 1987 Fender Stratocaster Plus - "American Standard" 1997 Fender Stratocaster Plus Deluxe - "American Standard" 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic 198x Fender 75 amplifier (black grill - all tube - except solid state rectifiers) ...and many, many stomp boxes. BTW - for those wondering - American Standard is not some sort of weird, world-wide put-down. It's Fender's way of referencing where the guitar was made, and the shape of the neck. Fender offers quite a few different fret-board radii now - some classic '60s, others early '70s, and the American Standard was a compromise version that fell midway between them. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:07:25 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers In a message dated 21/11/2002 23:20:34 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Oh, and dwarves. Dwarves like Crimson. There were at least four at that > > show, and they weren't there as a group or anything, and there wasn't a > > "little people" convention in town. They'd come there separately, of > their > > > > own accord, drawn by the flurry of 1/64th notes or the hypontic lure of > > 9/22 time, or the goat smell. It was the most dwarf-intensive show I've > > ever seen. > Yeah me too.Laughed my head off.Trying to conjure up goat smell ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:14:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? << Oooh - as long as we're talking about gear, I'll list mine: 1987 Fender Stratocaster Plus - "American Standard" 1997 Fender Stratocaster Plus Deluxe - "American Standard" 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic 198x Fender 75 amplifier (black grill - all tube - except solid state rectifiers) ...and many, many stomp boxes. >> From now on you will be referred to as Paul "two strats" Pietromonaco :-) Oh all right then. I'll play. Here goes.... 1966 Fender Musicmaster with added humbucker. White (refinished), red scratchplate. Top axe. Learned to play on it. The one I'd rescue form a fire etc. 1969 Fender Mustang. Blue metallic with light blue competition stripes. Matching blue headstock. I bought this in LA and took it back as hand luggage like a posey twat. 1967 Gibson Trini Lopez. In blue metallic. Dead rare. Like a 335 but weird - Firebird neck and F-holes shaped like diamonds. 1966 Fender Electric XII. White (refin again) with red scratchplate. Matches the Musicmaster nicely ;-) Bought from a country songwriter in Wimbledon (!) for a ridiculous cheap price. 1986 Fender Jaguar reissue. Red metallic with matching headstock. Always wanted a Jag till I got one :-( Nothing but trouble. Won't stay in tune. One day I'll get it sorted. Or sold... 1959 (or thereabouts) Epiphone Rivoli bass. Natural finish, with secong bridge pick-up added at some point in its life. 1986 Shergold Marathon 6-string bass. Second-last built. Natural finish. Peter Hook fixation. Mid-60s Hofner Verithin semi-acoustic. Red. With Bigsby vibrato arm. Early 70s (?) Baldwin 12-string semi. Looks nicer than it plays ;-) FX boxes of various sorts I also have an ARP Quartet string synth, a Roland SH101 mono synth, TB303 (aciiieeed!), TR606 , TR505 and a groovy Vox continental organ. And a Stylophone. With the original Rolf Harris EPs. But I'm not a gear-head. No way. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:38:50 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE cds on sale.. www.soleilmoon.com has the following for sale: WIRE - WHORE $7.99 WIRE - TURNS & STROKES $8.99 WIRE - COATINGS $8.99 Have a good weekend, Robert n.p.-Charles Hayward & Nick Doyne-Ditmas: "Where is Chaos Now?" (from Chaos In Expansion) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:42:20 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] reissues/sound And then there are the Japanese reissues that came out with the bonus and live tracks. I got the "Chairs Missing" one for the CD full length single version of "Outdoor Miner"--was amazed at the clarity of the sound, which was not something I was looking for or am particularly attuned to, and picked up the other two. Only $17; now, just a few years later, I see them on the wall at Ameoba for $50. Robert (another) Subject: [idealcopy] Re: EMI vs. Restless CDs > Wait a minute... I have both versions of the three cd's (Restless Retro and > the EMI). Did I hear that right? If there is a difference in quality I > missed it. Can someone explain this or point me to a date where I can look > up the archives???? Thank you. > It depends which version of the EMI discs you have. There's the original issue, and then a remastered re-issue that occurred in 1994 or thereabouts. I don't have my remastered EMI discs in front of me, but I can get them from my extensive archives if I need to. (^_^) Basically, the remastered EMI discs have a slightly different bonus track order. They include Dot-dash, and the extended Outdoor Miner, for instance. They also sound quite a bit louder. On the minus side, I did find one track that had evidence of a very slight distortion not present on the original disc. I made quite a! n extensive post on this issue about a year ago, I'm guessing. I'm not sure what the exact date is, but maybe you can search on my name and EMI or something. (^_^) Cheers, Paul> *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:48:11 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: drummers >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers >But back to KC. I might have bought Larks Tongue at some point in time, but >like Mark I definitely prefer the Sunshine Band and their Boogie Shoes. >After all, can you really trust the taste of a bloke who married Toyah >bleedin' Wilcox? > >Keith What a silly thing to say. They've been happily married for almost 20 years. Doing any better? Maybe he uses her status as a British pop star to hide from the shame of not having his guitar playing appreciated by pop music fans. Dwarfs indeed. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:56:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers << Maybe he uses her status as a British pop star to hide from the shame of not having his guitar playing appreciated by pop music fans. >> Or currently, her status as a presenter of religious broadcasting. Thankfully Toyah's musical career seems to be behind her. Not sure even the goat-smelling dwarves would associate her with the singer of "It'th a mythtery". Or the fat punk bird out of Jubilee ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? > << Oooh - as long as we're talking about gear, I'll > list mine: chiming in American Standard Tele - Black - I ferget what year - originally purchased by a friend who i am certain played no less than 50 before choosing this one - he's just that kinda guy Fender Acoustic/Electric - don't recall the model - sounds real sweet and i dont have to plug it in epiphone bass [bought when i was getting fed up with finding new bass players for rock bands - seldom touched] now for the gear i actually use these days... Heathkit Ocillator - Sine and Square waves Korg Kaoss - greatest toy ever invented Zoom Sampletrak 224 - be sure to loop Various Casio Pro Series CZ-1 FZ-1 VZ-1 RZ-1 [don't ask - i just get these strange fixations] Dell P233 laptop running IXI, granulab and BuzzMachines glitches like a motherfucker grey gameboy running nanoloop [be sure to nanoloop] bells, whistles, toy accordeon [2 - button and keyboard] Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:03:59 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? > Mine: > > Pentium 833 > Roland PC180 controller > Reason 1.0 > Acid 1.0 > SoundForge 4.0 > > I rock. > Oh - we want to talk computers? (^_-) Athlon 1.3 GHz E-Mu systems E-card APS Cubasis AV w/WaveStudio (and a few freeware/low cost synth things - like Techo e-Jay!) and, while we're at it, let's talk synths: Oberheim OB-12 Korg MS-2000 Korg ER-1 (drum machine) All of these wonder goodies are processed thru: Sony 75-ES DAT machine Tascam Portastudio 424mkII Peavey XR-800 powered mixer Yeah - I'm a gearhead - that's for sure.... (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:11:18 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? > From now on you will be referred to as Paul "two strats" Pietromonaco :-) > Thanks! (^_-) > Oh all right then. I'll play. > > Here goes.... > Whew!!! That's a great collection, Mark! You sure you're not in a band right now? With all that gear, it sounds like you're on tour! > 1966 Fender Electric XII. White (refin again) with red scratchplate. Matches > the Musicmaster nicely ;-) Bought from a country songwriter in Wimbledon (!) > for a ridiculous cheap price. I think this is the next guitar I want to get. Probably because Tim Buckley used to play one, and I like the sounds he got. Would you recommend this one Mark? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? << I think this is the next guitar I want to get. Probably because Tim Buckley used to play one, and I like the sounds he got. Would you recommend this one Mark? >> Well it looks lovely and it stays in tune. The sounds are a little limited - it has a rotary switch with three or four settings, one of which sounds great, the others are a little mellow. I haven't used it a great deal - it was just an irresistible buy! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:51:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? << Korg Kaoss - greatest toy ever invented<< And almost achieving toy prices. I saw one for #139 the other day. Once it gets to #99 I'll buy one :-) >>grey gameboy running nanoloop [be sure to nanoloop] >> This does look interesting - do you recommend it? Is it easy to use? and can you sync it up with other things (eg Midi)?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: what kind of guitar? - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>grey gameboy running nanoloop [be sure to > nanoloop] >> > > This does look interesting - do you recommend it? yes > Is it easy to use? see above > and can you sync it up with other things (eg Midi)?? real easy to sync with another gameboy (using a gameboy sync cable) theoretically midi capable - there's a schematic somewhere [g00gle] but most fun with another gameboy Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:18:07 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] How does it look? When I saw Young Marble Giants they had a little cassette player on a stool with a microphone up to it. How did it look? Quaint and amusing. Robert (another) >Which leads on to another thread, how cool does a reel to reel tape look >on >stage compared to a hard disk/ laptop? I know, I'm stuck in the eighties >:) very cool, mark :o) i loved that about ctwins as well. first time i saw mahogany they were accompanied by a reel to reel (center stage!) but have since gone to a rack of electronics of some kind. i used to use a reel to reel live (as an instrument) i guess you could say sorta the way a dj scratches records...only much slower :o) - -paul c.d. *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:06:47 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Tetchy Critters? > (clap clap clap) > Admirable restraint! And your domain suffix makes me think that Graeme > might have a difficult time finding your house were he to take a notion > during a bender... Thank you, Miles. And a pleasant weekend to all listers; lurkers or vociferous. Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:15:11 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers > >> By fancy music I'm assuming, because of the context in which > you quoted it, that Smith means music that's not basic. >> > >Well there was certainly a 'no frills' policy within the band. But you have >to bear in mind MES is a fan of Can, Beefheart etc,... i'm reminded of the quote from 'Totale's Turns' (i think)... 'will you fucking get it together, instead of showing off (ah)...' ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #394 *******************************