From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #393 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [ot] roses, rosaries and rabbits [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Hippo Critters? [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Stronger with a drum machine? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Technology Marches On [Stage] [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] live albums ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] many many live gigs ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] Re: u.s. set lists [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] roses, rosaries and rabbits On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:25:41PM +0000, ian.s. jackson wrote: > >..and on the subject of drummerless bands, anyone up for The 3 Johns ? > > oh yes...only dug out 'World By Storm' last week and had a blast on the > headphones. prompted by the BBC programme 'True Spies' (with reference to > the 84/85 Miners Strike), the LP contains one of the saddest lines > ever..'as The Redskins say, 'the Miners are getting organised'...' > > ah well, we (they) were dreamers, i suppose... > lets see if The Fire Service can do any better... > > 'GIVE THEM THE MONEY, YOU FUCKING SHOWER OF CUNTS'... (^_^) Only if we give the nurses more money too. - - Andrew (who feels guilty that his PhD grant is only about a grand less than what his sister, a psychiatric nurse, earns after tax) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | (personal: andrew@lexical.org.uk) Earth Sciences, Univ. of Cambridge | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:00:18 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ot -Demands on drummers! >> And you thought Wire could sometimes be a little >> demanding with their >> drummer! (^_-) > >Hell, I would put Robert up with drummers like Charlie >Watts! He doesn't overwhelm the music, but if you >focus on him, he's clean, precise and you can >practically set your watch by their timing! > >IMHO! > Huh? I wasn't casting any disparagement on Robert's drumming ability! (^_^;) I was referring to Wire's propensity to record Robert's drums in odd ways. Like in the Ideal Copy era when they recorded his drums as MIDI triggers and then played the triggers back with sampled drums, etc. No - I think Robert's great. I liked him before but I really like what he's doing now - he's managed to take the minimalist style he perfected in the 70's-80's and add muscle and drive to it. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:05:41 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers >I'd say the KC 'popularity' on Idealcopy seems heavily biased to the US. Most >of the Brits don't get it and would probably prefer to listen to the other >KC. The one with the Sunshine Band. > And, oddly enough, KC of KC & The Sunshine Band once banned hi-hat cymbals from his group too. Claimed they interfered with his "booty". (^_-) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:07:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers << And, oddly enough, KC of KC & The Sunshine Band once banned hi-hat cymbals from his group too. Claimed they interfered with his "booty". (^_-) >> Hehe - a fine comment, considering KC himself was a whitey! Did you know they were the band on all George McCrae's hits too...who incidentally I noticed is playing a gig in Luton? Saw it advertised on a lamp post. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:39:06 EST From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hippo Critters? In a message dated 11/21/02 5:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << >>>"Weeny:" an insecure loser who tries to claim significance, demonstrating his nasal-anal proximity by recounting every conversation he's ever had with any musician. Billy couldn't be getting in a tizzy over me then, as I haven't mentioned anything about recent conversations with John Schmersal, Johnny Temple, Chris Brokaw or Maryann Amacher here. Actually the funny thing is that almost all my conversations are with musicicans or people who help musicians in some way or other. This is what comes of putting on gigs and socialising almost exclusively at gigs, etc. I'm surprised Billy is so impressed by this, as most musicians are fairly down to earth and will answer a few questions if you ask them, as the many people on this list who've spoken to members of WIRE will no doubt realise. However if anyone wants to read more things that musicians have said to me, they can have a look at my website. I'm sorry to say though that it's far from a complete record, as many of the things they've said have been edited out. >>>We're impressed. Some people are so easily impressed aren't they? This is why perhaps Robert Lynn seems to repeatedly spout that crap about me being so much more 'important' than him. Now tisbili seems to be parroting his line. >>>You can stop now. I'll stop NOW and reverse into tomorrow! I'm sure no one could level the charge of hypocrisy at someone who unlurks just to make vain attempts at lecturing on manners but doesn't have the good manners to introduce him/herself first, >> ... ... (restraint, admirable or otherwise) tB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:47:46 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Stronger with a drum machine? In a message dated 11/21/02 5:21:51 AM, Mark.McQuitty@dickinsoncontrol.co.uk writes: > >Which leads on to another thread, how cool does a reel to reel tape look >on >stage compared to a hard disk/ laptop? I know, I'm stuck in the eighties >:) very cool, mark :o) i loved that about ctwins as well. first time i saw mahogany they were accompanied by a reel to reel (center stage!) but have since gone to a rack of electronics of some kind. i used to use a reel to reel live (as an instrument) i guess you could say sorta the way a dj scratches records...only much slower :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:57:41 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Technology Marches On [Stage] In a message dated 11/21/02 7:23:45 AM, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: > On the plus side, drum machines seldom drop a beat, >on the minus side, they can't react and adjeust when >someone else does. i recall being impressed seeing >the fall [late brix period in chicago] drop a beat and >it was indistinguishable whose mistake it was. they >were that tight. technology has not developed to the >that level of interaction. yet. i *did* pick up a >plastic robot dog which responds to 18 distince voice >commands for a mere $7 last week, so maybe this entire >discussion will be irrelevant in a couple years. there was this thing called the human clock (if i remembered the name right) that came up around 1986-87, yet didn't have sustained popularity cuz of (i think) problems with the technology at that time which didn't allow it to be as human as musicians probably wanted it to be. the basic premise was that a live drummer could actually pace the sequencer and other electronics. the electronics would keep time with the person rather than the other way around. i'm pretty sure the problem had something to do with delay time from teh unit as the human would change tempo, making it kinda undesirable to most musicians. -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:11:48 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alternate Mixes In a message dated 11/21/02 5:18:46 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > >Bruce mentioned that the album would probably be heavily reliant on alternate >mixes. It'll also have some tracks that haven't appeared on 01 and 02 well i hope they don't go teh same route as lush did with the gala cd. it would be nice if the r&b "eps" had tracks not featured on the album to be. i don't like the thought of buying an album just to get one more song i don't have. maybe the alternate mixes will be reeeeaaaallllly different from the ones we have now? that would make it more worthwhile for me. -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:14:32 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: OT: what kind of guitar? was Re: [idealcopy] Octipad In a message dated 11/21/02 5:18:54 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >When people have asked me what kind >of guitar I play, the answer I give is 'a white one.' i remember daniel ash answering a question like that, something like "i don't care. it's just a pice of wood with 6 strings on it"...don't believe it for a minute ;o) -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:56 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] live albums I almost shamefully forgot. I can't list my fav live albums without adding Live in Stockholm by The Breeders. "I just wanna getta mudslide" paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:01:59 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] many many live gigs To the IC'ers that live in the big towns and in Europe please don't forget where you are. You could after all live in Utah where there are no such stoppovers. Let's take Swans for example. They played a club here and were so pissed that the crowd was sitting drinking and carrying on without even facing the stage while songs were being played and Micheal Gira smashed his guitar on stage and yelled "I am never fucking coming back!" Or, Wire's only gig here in 1991 was canceled at the last minute and haven't been back (not that I blame them). It is just that there is no audience here for this type of music. I am sure that Rick (ibtaba@attbi.com) and I are the only IC'ers in the whole state. I certainly wish I could have seen Wire in all their phases. The EMI phase was before I knew who they were, but the other two I was definately a part of even though my first Wire gig was September 6th, 2002. And that one I had to drive 10 hours to get there. Now there's a man who could take advantage. You all live Wire, and I dream of it. I just hope everyone appreciates it! I just hope Wire plays one more time somewhere in the mid or western US so I can go again. I think the next time I will be willing to travel a thousand miles instead of 400. That is my thought for the day. I am well spent spent spent spent spent. paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:51:17 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: u.s. set lists In a message dated 11/21/02 6:04:35 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> >>They didn't play Raft Ants. >> I think some people mistook Mr Marx's Table for Raft Ants at the US gigs.<< > >The set seems to be pretty much fixed. No raft ants, nice streets or >trash/treasure. does anyone have a set list from a 2002 u.s. gig? ny maybe? like i said, i bought r&b02 at the show, so i'm not sure which songs they may not have played. i know the did read & burn, spent and 99.9, they did mr. marx's table, and they did all of r&b01. that would make a 10 song main set...which does sound kinda accurate. i do feel as if i heard something that night similar to trash/treasure. maybe mr. marx's table just left me hearing double :o) -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:09:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: drummers > << And, oddly enough, KC of KC & The Sunshine Band once banned hi-hat > cymbals from his group too. Claimed they interfered with his "booty". > (^_-) >> Anymore like this Paul and you'll be claiming Mark's anorak ; ) Personally, I don't mind hi-hat's, but cymbals. Just somewhere to end a drum roll surely... > Did you know they were the band on all George McCrae's hits too... Almost certain that he wrote Rock Your Baby too. One of my fave 70's records. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:19:11 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Doors reform with Cult singer I know we've covered this one before, but it seems like it's official. = The Doors ARE reforming with my namesake apache coming on as a late sub = for Jimbo.=20 And it doesn't end there. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome on drums, = Mr.....Stewart Copeland!!! John Densmore can't play because he has tinnitus.=20 Or a conscience! Keith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2498533.stm [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music The Doors reform with Cult singer.url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #393 *******************************