From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #386 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 386 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Manara's van [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] live albums?!? [Santa Cruzer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:04:58 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren > >> Siren indeed is one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard in pop. > > > Did you ever hear either of Tim's versions? > > No I didn't, but I'm curious cos of your enthusiasm Paul. To tell you the > truth, I didn't even know it was a Tim Buckley song. > Actually, I found a third. It was an unreleased 1968 studio run-thru. For educational purposes only, I have placed all three in streaming media files. These should work on a 56k modem or better. Please don't forward this address to other people - this is for your personal use only. If you like RealAudio, click here: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/buckley/Sirens.ram If you like Windows Media, click here: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/buckley/sirens.wvx The order of the songs are as follows. Track 1 is the 1967 version, live on the set of the final episode of the Monkees TV show. Tim had written this song mere months before, and this was its first public performance. This is very reminiscent of Tim's first two folk albums. Track 2 is the 1968 unreleased studio version. This is of a place with Tim's Happy Sad and Blue Afternoon albums. More jazz than folk at this point. Track 3 is the 1970 Starsailor version. This is, well, really out there. It's hard to believe that this is the same Tim that did the first version 3 years ago. My guess is that the This Mortal Coil version is based from this track. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:13:28 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse (was Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live?) On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:51:13AM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/02 7:37:26 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: > > >>throwing muses - the curse > > > >Interesting CD this. The mix is real strange. > > especially the mixed up track listing! i can never understand how this > happens (i used to do proofreading), but it happens quite a bit. To REM's Lifes Rich Pageant, at least on the IRS cd reissue, anyway. It's very annoying :) - - Andrew - -- "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." - - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:38:35 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fw: IT'S ALL IN THE ART, IT'S ALL IN THE ART, IT' S ALL IN THE ART OF ... Keith the Evangelist ;-] A > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] > Sent: 14 November 2002 23:24 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: IT'S ALL IN THE ART, IT'S ALL IN THE > ART, IT'S > ALL IN THE ART OF ... > > > I mentioned I'd badgered someone into renewing his old > acquaintance with > Wire (his last Wire LP was IBTABA I think) by constantly > telling him how > good R&B is. Received this today... > > > By the way: how do I get > > a hold of the R&B 02? 01 is magnificent. No other guitar > rock from this > > year comes within a light year of what these boys are doing. > > Needless to say, I'll be pointing him in the right direction... > > Keith > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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(seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) **** ALICE COOPER The live bonus disc with the recent version of Billion Dollar Babies (check out the fab version of 'Eighteen'!!) **** MC5 Kick Out The Jams. ****Black Sabbath 'Past Lives (Live at Last repackaged with a bonus disc of extra live stuff from the Ozzie years) This holds up very well if you like the Sabbs. **** at the OTHER end of the scale as Bart reminded me recently is the UK Subs 'Live In London', with the worst live album vibe ever- After track one 'B1C', we hear one person clapping and two (2) cheers, then Charlie Harper says "I didn' know there was anyone 'ere" and later in the record he gives us THE immortal line " Be nice if some o' you could dance...help us keep beat". Cheers.............Phillip from Australia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:09 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Subs > **** at the > OTHER end of the scale as Bart reminded me recently is the UK Subs 'Live > In London', with the worst live album vibe ever- After track one 'B1C', > we hear one person clapping and two (2) cheers, then Charlie Harper says > "I didn' know there was anyone 'ere" and later in the record he gives us > THE immortal line " Be nice if some o' you could dance...help us keep > beat". To emphasize you have to play it at the lower speed of 33 though. Makes me laugh every time! :-P GREAT record! Is "Live In London" the Oz import title Phillip? Mine is called "Live Kicks" (UK Stiff). Bart [gad, I'm gonna buy me a recordplayer again] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:36:54 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren > For educational purposes only, I have placed all three in streaming media > files. These should work on a 56k modem or better. Please don't forward > this address to other people - this is for your personal use only. Great service master Paul! I liked the first one best btw. BART[man's cape] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:35:51 EST From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NWW lyrics? vocals? sounds? Robert: Just a brief reminder: Graham is an asshole. He has repeatedly demonstrated this over the last couple of years. Keep posting--don't let the biggest jerk on the list dictate its content. I would much rather read your posts than his drivel, which is notable only for its ability to be simultaneously obseqious, arrogant, childish, tedious and self consciously arty. I hope he uns*bs again soon. billy (no relation) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:10:29 +0000 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Manara's van Bart: >Not bad. Reminds me of excellent draughtsman Milo Manara who used to wonder >through Europe Africa and Asia Minor in his van wich was also was his >studio... Great! I like his work, used to own some of the stuff about 20 years ago. You must like Enki Bilal, then, too. He's a bit of a favourite of mine, though I'm not an avid collector. > I always >dreamt about that way of living - close to perfection. Do it while you can, Bart:) In this day and age, with mobile phones and laptops that connect to your battery, it's easier than ever. Nik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:52:09 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Manara's van > Bart: >> Not bad. Reminds me of excellent draughtsman Milo Manara who used to wonder >> through Europe Africa and Asia Minor in his van wich was also was his >> studio... > Great! I like his work, used to own some of the stuff about 20 years > ago. You must like Enki Bilal, then, too. He's a bit of a favourite of > mine, though I'm not an avid collector. Manara, Bilal [and Pratt] indeed always were my faves! Adventurous and revolutionary! As a teen I tried for years to imitate their sart, but the closest I came to a proper comicbook was my feeble attempt at a newspapercartoon [wich I never really finished]. Still have lots of their earlier books, but the "real" arts have sort of taken their place for me... haven't read a comic in years now... perhaps I should. >> I always dreamt about that way of living - close to perfection. > Do it while you can, Bart:) In this day and age, with mobile phones and > laptops that connect to your battery, it's easier than ever. Tempting advice Nik, but this old f... er Bart has just bought himself a comfy appartment and then there's always the girlfriend... But it's the same advice as Manara's giving us in his Giuseppe Bergman series - it should always be kept in mind. Is it too late to change my mind? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:13:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! > A couple of great live albums: **** WIRE - It's All In The > Brochure. (seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) I agree. Bit of an oversight! They should have released the entire set though. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:12:12 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:13:58PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > > A couple of great live albums: **** WIRE - It's All In The > > Brochure. (seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) > > I agree. Bit of an oversight! > > They should have released the entire set though. This was the RFH show, yes? A thought occasioned by this; what kind of thing was the "low impact" techno Immersion made? I'm very into Boards of Canada and similar at the moment, and it *sounds* like it should be that kind of beat-light organic electronic music, which I enjoy a lot. - - Andrew - -- "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." - - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:19:48 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Manara's van Bart & Nik say they big fans of Milo Minara's art well I checked out his website & I can say ...you are very naughty boys ;-) later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:51:45 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! > > > A couple of great live albums: **** WIRE - It's All In The > > > Brochure. (seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) > > > > I agree. Bit of an oversight! > > > > They should have released the entire set though. > > This was the RFH show, yes? Yes. But not, alas, all of it. > A thought occasioned by this; what kind of thing was the "low impact" > techno Immersion made? I'm very into Boards of Canada and similar at the > moment, and it *sounds* like it should be that kind of beat-light organic > electronic music, which I enjoy a lot. I'd say it's definitely a possibility. Oscillating is certainly not heavy on beats... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:30:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] LIFES RICH PAGEANT track listing (was Re: [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse) At 10:13 AM 11/15/2002 +0000, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: >> especially the mixed up track listing! i can never understand how this >> happens (i used to do proofreading), but it happens quite a bit. > >To REM's Lifes Rich Pageant, at least on the IRS cd reissue, anyway. It's >very annoying :) That's not a blunder that crept in on the CD reissue, but how the artwork was done originally -- in other words, your listing is faithful to the artwork on my original LP. From the rec.music.rem FAQ: >o B7. "Why is the actual song order on Lifes Rich Pageant different from >that listed on the back cover? And do some copies actually list the song >'Superman' as 'Superwoman'?" > >Reportedly, the song order on LRP was changed at the last minute, too late >for the cover art to be changed. While it's anybody's guess why this was >not subsequently corrected for later domestic vinyl and CD pressings, it >*has* been corrected for many foreign and record club versions. Bear in >mind that the off-beat creativity of the mixed-up list, and the cryptic >"lyrics clues," is typical of the band. At least through GREEN, the band was fond of putting surprises and creative flourishes in their packaging, so I suspect the LIFES RICH PAGEANT track listing is more deliberate than accidental, especially with the "draw a line to the matching phrase" puzzle adjoining the track listing. my throat hurts, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LIFES RICH PAGEANT track listing (was Re: [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse) On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:30:47AM -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 10:13 AM 11/15/2002 +0000, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > >> especially the mixed up track listing! i can never understand how this > >> happens (i used to do proofreading), but it happens quite a bit. > > > >To REM's Lifes Rich Pageant, at least on the IRS cd reissue, anyway. It's > >very annoying :) > > That's not a blunder that crept in on the CD reissue, but how the artwork > was done originally -- in other words, your listing is faithful to the > artwork on my original LP. From the rec.music.rem FAQ: I suspected as much, to be honest: but when you get an album home (and LRP was one of the first thirty or so CDs I got, just as I was really getting into music: I already liked REM. One of the first albums I ever bought, way before getting into music, was REM's "Out of Time" - I was still at primary school[1], IIRC) and put it on, being totally unable to work out which track has what name was very confusing :) > > At least through GREEN, the band was fond of putting surprises and creative > flourishes in their packaging, so I suspect the LIFES RICH PAGEANT track > listing is more deliberate than accidental, especially with the "draw a > line to the matching phrase" puzzle adjoining the track listing. Also the publishing credits: "Administered in this world and all known others..." etc, which appears to be different on every record. - - Andrew [1] 4-11 years old; given it came out early 1991, I was probably 11, and in my final year of primary school. FWIW, "Country Feedback" is my favourite thing on the album. - -- "I see your autosuggestion psychology, elimination policy A military-industrial illusion of democracy..." - - Primal Scream, 'Swastika Eyes' ("Xtrmntr") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:42:47 +0000 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Manara's van Alistair writes >Bart & Nik say they big fans of Milo Minara's art > >well I checked out his website & I can say >...you are very naughty boys ;-) So we probably deserve a good spanking ;) Thanks, Alistair, you made me laugh! Bilal has a great website, too, and he's less of a 'dirty ole man'. Bart: your comfy apartment sounds like a nice place to be in winter. More off-list :) Nik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:51 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! Eddie and the Hot Rods - Live at the Marquee (ep) Certain General - Savage Young Generals Who - Live at Leeds Lydia Lunch - Shotgun Wedding Live Kraftwerk - Concert Classics Joy Division - Les Bains Douches Move - Something Else (ep) Rain Parade - Perfume Rive Jonathan Richman - Jonathan Sings! Raincoats - Kitchen Tapes PiL - Paris in the Spring Capt. Beefheart - Live at My Father's Place----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Blakeney" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! > A couple of great live albums: **** WIRE - It's All In The > Brochure. (seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) > **** ALICE COOPER The live bonus disc with the recent version of Billion > Dollar Babies (check out the fab version of 'Eighteen'!!) > **** MC5 Kick Out The Jams. ****Black Sabbath 'Past Lives (Live > at Last repackaged with a bonus disc of extra live stuff from the Ozzie > years) This holds up very well if you like the Sabbs. **** at the > OTHER end of the scale as Bart reminded me recently is the UK Subs 'Live > In London', with the worst live album vibe ever- After track one 'B1C', > we hear one person clapping and two (2) cheers, then Charlie Harper says > "I didn' know there was anyone 'ere" and later in the record he gives us > THE immortal line " Be nice if some o' you could dance...help us keep > beat". Cheers.............Phillip from Australia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:27:37 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Manara > Bart & Nik say they big fans of Milo Minara's art > well I checked out his website & I can say > ...you are very naughty boys ;-) http://www.milomanara.com Hehe... I er... well let me say that before he switched to just erotica he was quite a revolutionairy. Honest! ;-) Try his "Giuseppe Bergman" series [Manara's own alter ego] Dies Irae e.g. is quite brilliant. http://membres.lycos.fr/shamael/giuseppe.htm Even a cd out now: http://www.womstore.com/eng/bergman1.htm http://www.ciudadfutura.com/maestrosdelcomic/html/HPyGB.html http://users.pandora.be/maviros/art/manara.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:54:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren Thanks for this Paul. Starsailor is one of the few Buckley albums I haven't got, so it was good to hear it. cheers Keith > Actually, I found a third. It was an unreleased 1968 studio run-thru. > > For educational purposes only, I have placed all three in streaming media > files. These should work on a 56k modem or better. Please don't forward > this address to other people - this is for your personal use only. > > If you like RealAudio, click here: > http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/buckley/Sirens.ram > > If you like Windows Media, click here: > http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/buckley/sirens.wvx > > The order of the songs are as follows. Track 1 is the 1967 version, live on > the set of the final episode of the Monkees TV show. Tim had written this > song mere months before, and this was its first public performance. This is > very reminiscent of Tim's first two folk albums. > > Track 2 is the 1968 unreleased studio version. This is of a place with > Tim's Happy Sad and Blue Afternoon albums. More jazz than folk at this > point. > > Track 3 is the 1970 Starsailor version. This is, well, really out there. > It's hard to believe that this is the same Tim that did the first version 3 > years ago. My guess is that the This Mortal Coil version is based from this > track. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:11:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles This weeks nme has their top 100 singles of all time. This was the top 10. a.. 1. Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' b.. 2. Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' c.. 3. The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' d.. 4. The Rolling Stones - 'Paint It, Black' e.. 5. David Bowie - ''Heroes'' f.. 6. The Stone Roses - 'Fools Gold' g.. 7. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man' h.. 8. Oasis - 'Live Forever' i.. 9. Massive Attack - 'Unfinished Sympathy' j.. 10. The Clash - 'London Calling' Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: OT/burning cd's/copying/piracy/read from the bottom up SSSSSSS wrote:To: Shriek_Digicon@yahoogroups.com From: SSSSSSS Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Shriekback_Digital_Conspiracy] OT/burning cd's/copying/piracy from the article I read, they first tried the Celine Dion cd and it wouldnt play in the pc as they expected, but when they went around the edge of the cd with a black marker on the "music" side of the disc, it not only played in the pc, it was copied and burned no problem. Here's the article entitled "Magic Marker Indeed" : http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52665,00.html I've been reading alot on the Wired and 6Music bbc websites. Apparently this is a major issue in Europe. Ari Britt wrote: yousure that's true?'cause if it is they'll be banning marker pens next! SSSSSSS wrote: It just seems odd to me that a simple marking with a black magic marker on the edges solves the problem and allows non-pc cd's to be played, burned, etc. The music companies have to know this by now...... Ari Britt wrote: I'm thinking it should be possible to record the c.d to a c.d recorder via the 'ANALOG' output of a dvd/c.d player thus bypassing the protection,such a disc should then be 'burnable'.true,it won't be a 'perfect' digital copy,but 1st. generation continuous should sound o.k to all but those with golden ears.Ari TJ Warrender wrote: Yes, we have had some non-PC CDs already in the UK, but they tend to be by the likes of Celine Dion, so no the sort that I would buy anyway. There was a big fuss when Nelly Furtado's CD was one of the first to be non-PC, as it didn't say so on it, but most of them now do have a 'this cd will not play on PCs' box on them, thus spoiling the CD artwork as well!Tim----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Angelina To: Shriek_Digicon@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:22 AMSubject: Re: [Shriekback_Digital_Conspiracy] OT/burning cd's/copying/piracy RCA has made a few copy-protected promos but, so far, hasn't done much more with them. My sources have told me that the results were disastrous because the CD's wouldn't play in most regular CD players either. What the "music business" can't seem to understand is the REAL reasons why people don't buy their so-called music as much as they used to: price gouging: the 'biz' blames this on artist royalties, but the artist usually doesn't see any of this money. Most contracted artists are not much of a step above indentured servitude. Artists like Tom Petty and Dave Matthews are currently working for musician liberation from the music biz slave trade. On average it costs about $1.25 to make a CD. This includes the jewel case and artwork along with the disc itself. You do the math shitty 'music'. Manufactured 'artists' like Titney Spears and NSUCK who don't write their own music, don't play instruments, and have to lipsync through their concerts have become the norm because of their supposed marketability. In the meantime, true talents languish in the shadows because they probably don't have 'the look' the big music biz execs think is needed to sell music. Regardless of their apparent popularity because they're all you see on TV or hear on the radio, these manufactured artists aren't as popular musically as you are led to believe nor are they pulling in the cash like they once were a few years ago. Trying to foil the disgusted consumer in her/his quest for decent music is not the way these dinosaurs should go. What they should do is open their doors to true musicians once again, like in the 60's and 70's. Focus on The Concert Experience: something you CAN'T duplicate by burning a CD. Let the free music revolution continue but emphasise how truly wonderful real music made by real in a public forum can be. People will pay for this experience. They'll pay to create such a memory. That's why the Rolling Stones are still around and why Pink Floyd is remembered to this day for being consummate performers. That's why the Grateful Dead and Phish and the Dave Matthews Band have legions of followers that go with them from town to town and repeated dole out the fundage for the chance to hear the music one more time. If record companies continue to fuck around with how they make CD's in a vain attempt to prevent disgusted consumers from lifting songs from otherwise bland albums that cost much more than they're worth, the only thing they're going to accomplish is alienating even more people (consumer and artist alike) and losing even more money. And, when that happens, I'm gonna be out of a job and all of you will have to support my Internet habit. SSSSSSS wrote: (forwarded from the Alabama 3 group on Yahoo. I found this very interesting and the articles are very informative): Just a heads-up to those on the east side of the Atlantic: BMI and EMI are apparently moving to all "copy-protected" CDs. No such noises out of the U.S. as yet; apparently they prefer to experiment in European markets first. Copy protection means a couple of nasty things: 1-- the CDs will not play in your PC; never mind copying, they won't even play--and may render Macs unbootable if you try :-p 2-- the CDs will not play in certain consumer electronics goods, notably many in-dash car CD players 3-- you cannot make your own compilations, backup copies, MP3s for an iPod or other MP3 player, etc. from these CDs These companies are citing data regarding the number of blank CDs purchased and how much lost revenue they represent. Their arguments are ludicrous on a number of counts, not the least of which is that a huge majority of blank CDs are used for data, not music (that is, backing up/sharing computer files other than MP3s). Article on BMI: Article on EMI: "I'm not afraid of standing still; I'm afraid of being bored." - Jack Off Jill vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD If we stand together long enough and in the right place, perhaps the accustomed fog will lift and we will glimpse whole new planets and, further off, the unfamiliar stars. ~~'Shriek Without End'~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:52:03 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles Gad, and now I suppose you want us to..... ;-) Very english list innit? And no Corrie en de Rekels? Tssk tssk... Bart > This weeks nme has their top 100 singles of all time. This was the top 10. > > a.. 1. Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' > b.. 2. Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' > c.. 3. The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' > d.. 4. The Rolling Stones - 'Paint It, Black' > e.. 5. David Bowie - ''Heroes'' > f.. 6. The Stone Roses - 'Fools Gold' > g.. 7. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man' > h.. 8. Oasis - 'Live Forever' > i.. 9. Massive Attack - 'Unfinished Sympathy' > j.. 10. The Clash - 'London Calling' > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:36:24 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:52:03PM +0100, Bart van Damme wrote: > Gad, and now I suppose you want us to..... ;-) > I hope not :) - the vast majority of random singles I've bought on spec and enjoyed have gone nowhere (or not far) in the charts. My favourite "pure pop" single of last year, anyway, was Gonzales' "Take Me to Broadway". If you don't like it, that's fine. I won't play it at you :) (Also, another noted success was buying the Svefn-g-Englar EP (Sigur Ros) without having heard any of the tracks on it. It's quite rare I do that...) - - Andrew - -- "Maybe I'm crazy, maybe diminished; maybe I'm innocent, maybe I'm finished, Maybe I blacked out - how, how do I play this?" - - R.E.M. , 'Diminished' ("Up") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles Though i like some of the artists here,the list smacks of stale and musty boys to me,must ahve a oad of old punk hippies working for enemy.Ari Keith Astbury wrote:This weeks nme has their top 100 singles of all time. This was the top 10. a.. 1. Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' b.. 2. Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' c.. 3. The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' d.. 4. The Rolling Stones - 'Paint It, Black' e.. 5. David Bowie - ''Heroes'' f.. 6. The Stone Roses - 'Fools Gold' g.. 7. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man' h.. 8. Oasis - 'Live Forever' i.. 9. Massive Attack - 'Unfinished Sympathy' j.. 10. The Clash - 'London Calling' Keith Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:12:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 100 singles In just about every case, the single selected is not actually the best one released by the band concerned... Mark > a.. 1. Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' > b.. 2. Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' > c.. 3. The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' > d.. 4. The Rolling Stones - 'Paint It, Black' > e.. 5. David Bowie - ''Heroes'' > f.. 6. The Stone Roses - 'Fools Gold' > g.. 7. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man' > h.. 8. Oasis - 'Live Forever' > i.. 9. Massive Attack - 'Unfinished Sympathy' > j.. 10. The Clash - 'London Calling' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:06:29 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! In a message dated 11/15/02 9:04:39 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >> A couple of great live albums: **** WIRE - It's All In The > >> Brochure. (seems to have been forgotten in the posts so far!) > > > > >I agree. Bit of an oversight! i thought about listing it, but it's not as great a live album as d&e. i also didn't list durutti column - live at the bottom line (night in ny) cuz i think domo arigato is a better live album. - -paul c.d. n.p. duke, roach, mingus - money jungle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:09:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of live albums! In a message dated 11/15/02 11:08:50 AM, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: >PiL - Paris in the Spring ooh, knew i'd forget one! great album -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] live albums?!? hmmm... Well, I expect a bit of flack from this entry, but as a young rockin' type, with a bit of a weird side, the live albums that made the strongest impression on me were: And as a sidenote, I do like live albums! Zappa&Mothers - Live at the Fillmore East aaaaand also - Just Another Band From LA Foghat - Live Genesis - Seconds Out Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same (I admit I'm more partial to the movie than the album) U2 - Under a Blood Red Sky The Who - Live at Leeds Yes - Yessongs And as an older (and wiser?) music afficianado, I've replaced them with: Dead Can Dance - Toward the Within Bruce Cockburn - Live Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - Live Wire - IAINB Front242 - Reboot Live 1999 KMFDM - Sturm Und Drang Skinny Puppy - Doomsday Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians - Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival Husker Du - The Living End (BTW - this version of 'Data Control' is one of the hardest rocking songs I've ever heard!) ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #386 *******************************