From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #385 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 15 2002 Volume 05 : Number 385 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Berlin Drill Resurrection ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Niblock did show viddy ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] And what's wrong about attacking students Robert? ["Bill ] [idealcopy] To Snog or Not To Snog ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Silly Ol' Gilbert ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Get Over It, Spamboy ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] He must have a sad little life. ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Spamboy's thoughts from the Inane Asylum [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] NWW lyrics? vocals? sounds? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] NWW lyrics? vocals? sounds? ["Keith Astbury" ] [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse (was Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live?) [Paul Pietromo] Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire live? [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > ... IMO it seems Eminem is just trying to copy that > east/westcoast hiphop thang within his little > whitie-world. He makes me > smile sometimes though. Is his film out allready? > Any opinions? doin' the dozens is an age old tradition that any kid (white or black) would pick up growing up in detroit basically the 'yo mama is so...' schoolyard thang as for moby - i suspect he is pretty whitie-white sure don't hear anything else in the music haven't seen the movie, but as a [whitie-white] ex-pat detroiter, i feel obliged i expect it'll be as much fun as robocop Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:26:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? In a message dated 11/14/02 7:06:07 AM Central Standard Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: > as for moby - i suspect he is pretty whitie-white > sure don't hear anything else in the music > > yep...sure is....i used to date a woman in Greewich, CT who went to high school with "Moby"...a nerdy rich white kid (as most people from Greenwich are..but a lot of them pretend to be "starving artists" from NYC ) who was "the biggest poseur ever" (her words)....his high school photos in the yearbook are a hoot.... RL a thought: Wouldn't a Wire "Live" album be fun?...i'm not normally into live albums but since they are in such top form it might be kind of nice to have a small document.... speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" a lot..... Cheers, Robert np - This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (Song to the Siren is one of the most beautiful songs ever but what a way to start a morning eh?....i'm in trouble for sure...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:12:27 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [back on t] Wire live? - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > "the biggest poseur ever" you say that like it's a bad thing ;) > > a thought: Wouldn't a Wire "Live" album be > fun?...i'm not normally into live > albums but since they are in such top form it might > be kind of nice to have a > small document.... i suspect that the band will let 'unauthorised' recordings represent this aspect remember the last 'live' recording? [IBTABA] or the x-files of wiredom - the albini session? > speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? > i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" > a lot..... humble pie - rocking the filmore blues elevation Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:46:34 -0000 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? > a thought: Wouldn't a Wire "Live" album be fun?...i'm not normally into live > albums but since they are in such top form it might be kind of nice to have a > small document.... There already is a couple... Document and Eyewitness and IBTABA :) But I can see what you are saying... A live album of R&B 1 and 2 would be good! Especially with a version of Mr Suit on it. I know Wire are in the habit of recording everything so there is bound to be recordings of the latest tour. Norm Today, I have mostly been listening to... Here come the warm jets - Eno Best of the Smiths - 1 and 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:51:29 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 02:46:34PM -0000, Norm Fasey wrote: > > a thought: Wouldn't a Wire "Live" album be fun?...i'm not normally into > live > > albums but since they are in such top form it might be kind of nice to > have a > > small document.... > > There already is a couple... Document and Eyewitness and IBTABA :) But I can > see what you are saying... A live album of R&B 1 and 2 would be good! > Especially with a version of Mr Suit on it. What next, the return of 12XU? :) (Yes, I know it's been back, again, multiple times... often spliced with other songs. "1 2 Map Ref". Now there's a concept. :) ) > > Today, I have mostly been listening to... > > Here come the warm jets - Eno > Best of the Smiths - 1 and 2 For me: SFA - "Mwng" Auteurs - "Now I'm a Cowboy" Sigur Ros - ( ) gybe! - "Levez..." Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures and the sound of my head repeatedly beating off a wall in frustration at the Gnuplot "documentation"... - - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:42:20 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Graham's tour report Now online at http://www.posteverything.com/news/article.php?id=2905 later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:59:55 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? > np - This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (Song to the Siren is one of the > most beautiful songs ever but what a way to start a morning eh? Put a beat under it Robert and there you have it.... a brandnew Moby track! Bart ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:02:53 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? In a message dated 11/14/02 11:00:44 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << > np - This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (Song to the Siren is one of the > most beautiful songs ever but what a way to start a morning eh? Put a beat under it Robert and there you have it.... a brandnew Moby track! Bart ;-) >> oh no...i can't believe that you uttered M*by's name in the same breath as This Mortal Coil's masterpiece.....blasphemy... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:31:37 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren >>> np - This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (Song to the Siren is one of >>> the most beautiful songs ever but what a way to start a morning eh? >> Put a beat under it Robert and there you have it.... >> a brandnew Moby track! ;-) > oh no...i can't believe that you uttered M*by's name in the same breath as > This Mortal Coil's masterpiece.....blasphemy... Hehehe... knew that one would hurt. But joking aside, Siren indeed is one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard in pop. Is it me or does Elizabeth sounds more nasal than usual here? Siren with a cold? I always was quite partial to Fond Affections too. Love the sound of a good whipping in the morning. Bart [Severin Severin...] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:35:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren In a message dated 11/14/02 11:32:06 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << Hehehe... knew that one would hurt. But joking aside, Siren indeed is one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard in pop. Is it me or does Elizabeth sounds more nasal than usual here? Siren with a cold? >> yes, i noticed that too..but it appears to be an effect on her voice.... wasn't Song to the SIren in the film Crash? or was it Lost Highway? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:50:32 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire live? > speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? > i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" a lot..... Not too keen on live albums myself, but... Tom Wait's babble made Big Time very enjoyable. Roxy's Viva really added something for me. Document & Eyewitness has superbly anarchistic pieces. Stop Making Sense made sense. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:54:49 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren > yes, i noticed that too..but it appears to be an effect on her voice.... > wasn't Song to the SIren in the film Crash? or was it Lost Highway? Lost Highway! http://www.lynchnet.com/lh/lhst.html <> Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:30:17 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Fuckwit >>>I passed him on the stairs at a Mouse on Mars gig tonight. I said hello, and the fucker just blanked me! I said hello and carried on walking up the stairs, you pathetic lying and / or deaf primma donna drama queen! >>>I asked him why he wasn't speaking to me. No he didn't. He said, "Aren't you talking to me, then?" with a smug grin on his stupid face. He didn't ask why. Why would anyone care? >>>He said he had better things to do. Like why would I stop to talk to someone who I consider to be an ignorant jerk when I'd rather be in another room listening to DJ Rupture? Enjoyed DJ Rupture & Maryann Amacher a lot, although MAA was better in the smaller multiple speaker performance of the same material a few days before. Mouse on Mars bored me almost to sleep. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Faust - Patchwork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:54:40 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Berlin Drill Resurrection On returning from the best gig I've ever witnessed: WIRE in former Eastern Bloc concrete bunker 99.9 (intense illumination gets doctored up) Germ Ship (improbably fast) Mr Marx's Table (alien terminal) 1st Fast (burns to the last) Read and Burn (you!) Comet (bang!) The Agfers of Kodack (would she hang in Um Uf Ur?) In the Art of Stopping (a hole in the art) Spent (perfect) I Don't Understand (mein Deutsch ist nicht gut!) Reuters (BURNING!!!!!!!) Advantage in Height (colossal encounter) Pink Flag (exploding bunker) * Germans relentlessly thumping bottles on stage drown PA Lowdown (the smell of Ufer) * Louder crowdnoise probably impossible Drill (back from the dead) ********** Hamburg - same set minus Lowdown Hamburg crowd waved paper pink flags for the encore! Fabrik and Maria Um Ufer were the perfect industrial settings for WIRE noise. To miss WIRE on this tour would be the biggest mistake you ever made! WIRE = Audio Ampehatimation! Trash is Never Fascist Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:02:19 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Niblock did show viddy >1. Phill Niblock drone installation >>>>Did he show his videos? Yes People chopping wood and throwing boxes into boats and tilling fields. As for Niblock's humility, I mentioned to him that I'd seen him at Disobey and he insisted that that had not been a good performance. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:04:59 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] And what's wrong about attacking students Robert? in yer dreams... from what i hear... Probably heard that from the same place you heard all those exclusively instrumental Nurse With Wound albums, I expect... Anyone know where that vocal on Ladies Home Tickler came from? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:05:11 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] To Snog or Not To Snog >>>In Utah "snog" is when the smog is so thick and it is so cold outside that it crystalizes and falls to the ground like snow. Which is what I meant of course. Crystalizing students so that they fall to the ground like snow sure beats attacking them!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:17:55 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Silly Ol' Gilbert So the other day I was talking to Bruce Gilbert. He says the third in the Latin Trilogy has undergone a total overhaul since he was pursuing beautiful sounds at the time of Drifting, as he's found an interesting mutation gadget that has rekindled his interest in distortion. Who knows how it'll end up? It'll probably be on Mute. He also says there will be 27 Read and Burn CDs, but you never know Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:20:05 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Get Over It, Spamboy >>>I'm sure "Bill" will be along any minute to attack you for your "stupidity" and make fun of you for not knowing another "language".... Or maybe he'll just "take the piss out of" someone who posts comments as "boring and inane" as this. You really don't have much to say do you? But you'll "say" it anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:23:27 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] He must have a sad little life. Just back from a gig, all Kiddy Robinson can do is send bitchin' lies and no comment on the performance. I guess I should be emailing everyone to say the highlight of my evening was not great music but the chance to miss it all by talking to someone who bores me in the bar instead? >>>>So bollocks to yer, Bill. Thats the last time I bother being civilised to you. What a terrible bore he is! Does he really think he is more interesting than DJ Rupture? Kindly write yr reply on a postcard, and shove it up yer arse! >>>P.S. That anorak you wear all the time could do with a wash. PS. That smug grin you wear all the time could do with a flush. I don't actually wear an anorak, but thanks for your concern. Perhaps you could send your mother round to do my cleaning? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire live? Bart van Damme wrote: > speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? > i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" a lot..... Not too keen on live albums myself, but... Tom Wait's babble made Big Time very enjoyable. Roxy's Viva really added something for me. Document & Eyewitness has superbly anarchistic pieces. Stop Making Sense made sense. Bart Stop making sense -YES,especially if you get the dvd,it's got the whole darn movie and some extra stuff to boot. also Tom Waits :Night hawks at the diner,we seem to have similar tastes Bart,what's your girl friend like? Ari Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:44:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Spamboy's thoughts from the Inane Asylum > >>>I'm sure "Bill" will be along any minute to attack you for your > "stupidity" > and make fun of you for not knowing another "language".... > > Or maybe he'll just "take the piss out of" someone who posts comments as > "boring and inane" as this.>>>>>> yeah....i thought you would....you never miss an opportunity...that's one of your endearing qualities.... > > You really don't have much to say do you?>>>>>> no....not really...a frequent problem of mine....i need a lot of work as you can plainly see.... > > But you'll "say" it anyway.>>>>>> of course.....don't we all? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:59:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] NWW lyrics? vocals? sounds? > Probably heard that from the same place you heard all those exclusively > instrumental Nurse With Wound albums, I expect... > > Anyone know where that vocal on Ladies Home Tickler came from?>>> still on this? weren't YOU the one who recently titled a post "Get over it Spamboy"?....i don't wanna get in a pissing match with you..i have enough problems...you win....you go to more shows than i do...you listen to more music than i do...you live in a better place than i do...you are more intelligent and talented than i am...... in a moment of stupidity i said that NWW albums are almost entirely without vocals when i really meant to say: without lyrics (as in coherent verse, chorus, verse type)....if you will remember the context of the conversation it should be apparent...very dumb mistake on my part though.....i promise not to bore anyone with my inane chatter anymore....from here on out i will only read IC posts to glean information about Wire and other music or topics that i might be interested in.... Apologies if i have annoyed/bored anyone else in the past.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:00:25 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NWW lyrics? vocals? sounds? > from here on out i will only > read IC posts to glean information about Wire and other music or topics that > i might be interested in.... > Apologies if i have annoyed/bored anyone else in the past.... > > Robert Lynn Robert! I'm sure I speak for most people here (if not all). I certainly don't want you just to read the IC posts. I really appreciate your contributions here and always look forward to your postings. You've never annoyed or bored me. So....(adopts Iggy Pop voice) .... "Come on!!!" Keith (your mate across the pond!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:58:27 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? In a message dated 11/14/02 8:27:43 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? >i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" a lot..... > >Cheers, >Robert well there's that dock, you meant... end? high wetness! but besides that, the ramones - it's alive butthole surfers - double live talking heads - stop making sense (album not as exciting as the tour and then the movie of it, which were both pretty great) au pairs - live in berlin throwing muses - the curse savage republic - live in europe '88 james - one man clapping virgin prunes - new form of beauty 4 durutti column - domo arigato swans - public castration... (dare i say more "enjoyable" than feel good now?!) many good jazz albums are live recordings, but here's a couple: john coltrane - copenhagen nov 20, 1961 the quintet - jazz at massey hall i never got the live neubauten one, or the bad seeds one either (there is a bad seeds live album, right?). can anyone recommend (or discourage) buying those? i can recommend, for fans of repetitive, mostly instrumental, dark post punk progressive pop, a boston band called deception bay. their first (self-titled) album was recorded live and is well worth picking up (considering it can generally be bought for under $5). the actual performances did have a strong visual element, the band described themselves "deception bay is amplified sound and projected film" so the record is missing the visual (unless you wave the album cover around in front of your face :o) >np - This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (Song to the Siren is one of >the >most beautiful songs ever but what a way to start a morning eh?....i'm >in >trouble for sure...) i think it was hearing this one that made me fall in love with liz fraser...as if i wasn't already and as for moby... i don't mind him. he seems to mean well and be a decent person. i liked play (even the gwen song), but 18 comes off like an 80 minute cd single! i found it really boring. the opening track is a very good pop song and almost everything else seems like filler. a two minor chord song follwed by another and another and another... and the gospel vocal sampling does get tired fast. - -paul c.d. n.p. savage republic - trudge/ceremonial cd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:23:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: IT'S ALL IN THE ART, IT'S ALL IN THE ART, IT'S ALL IN THE ART OF ... I mentioned I'd badgered someone into renewing his old acquaintance with Wire (his last Wire LP was IBTABA I think) by constantly telling him how good R&B is. Received this today... > By the way: how do I get > a hold of the R&B 02? 01 is magnificent. No other guitar rock from this > year comes within a light year of what these boys are doing. Needless to say, I'll be pointing him in the right direction... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Pearl Jam Webcast tonite at.......... www.quicktime.com (you'll need to download the quicktime player if y'ain't got one)(they're free) starts at 10.08 eastern time.Ari Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:20:57 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Berlin Drill Resurrection In a message dated 11/14/02 3:27:41 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >In the Art of Stopping (a hole in the art) is that good or bad? it was amazing in ny > >Drill (back from the dead) oh man oh man! describe PLEASE! was it like 2000? did graham play much of the melodic part? do tell - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:38:51 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live? robert said... > speaking of live albums....any favorites in IC land? > i happen to like Siouxsie & the Banshees "Nocturne" a lot..... not wild about live albums either. but three that I love... Absolutely Live - The Doors 1969 - Velvets Babylon By Bus - Bob Marley & the Wailers Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:11:42 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles > P.P.S Moby was on the Frank Skinner show last night, and rather comically > was followed by Sir Elton John who was absolutely incensed that Moby had > dared to criticise Eminem! Quite bizarre. Would that be the same Elton who was clamouring to perform with Moby when Play was doing so well. Sad twat. I don't understand why everyones got such a downer on Moby. Go and Move were great early 90's dance singles, and Everything is Wrong contains some of the most beautiful pieces of music ever IMO. When It's Cold I'd Like To Die and Into The Blue are gutwrenchingly gorgeous. The solo piano version is pretty good too. Almost Bartok-like. And I loved Play until the world and his dog discovered it and it was played everywhere you went. Which - truth be told - is probably the real reason everyone has a downer on him. Keith NP Underworld - Two Months Off ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:26:21 +0000 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles Tim wrote: >> On a visual level, I find most car adverts as appealing as Kelly Osbourne. >> (This is possibly why I do not own a car). Good one! So the ad world has a tremendous influence on your life choices? Guess we should all trash our PCs because Necrosoft is evil ;) > I would not like to hear Wire's >> comet used in such a way. In the hands of Tony Kaye, for example, this could be a fine, subversive thing. I'm thinking of his use of 'Venus in Furs' for a product I don't remember, but the imagery he used was beautiful, and hearing the song in a context where my conscious attention is usually switched off was like bumping into an old friend, unexpectedly. So the advert completely missed its supposed purpose, and became a trigger for personal memories associated with the song. It might work like this for us Wire fans if a song of theirs was used in an ad. > (2 hours later: while doing a Google search for this ad (it was actually not for a car, but for Michelin tyres), I found a very entertaining site examining all kinds of aspects regarding music in ads http://www.ilxor.com/thread.php?msgid=2188079 They also quote and discuss Bill Hick, and some might see similarities to this list's Bill with the s ;) Bart wrote: >I just own a car for transportation. My van is a great home during my time off in summer, apart from having served as my actual home for nearly 3 months this time in 2000. Far more than a means of transport, it provides me with a great deal of freedom and flexibility in lifestyles. Unfortunately, it doesn't have wings. As much as I would like to see Wire on tour, I can currently only take an evening off. Therefore, a big thank you to all the listers who wrote reviews. Nik, wondering if 'in the art of stopping' refers to Gurdjieff's inner stop and Self-Remembering (Nicoll, Commentaries, p. 1518). nr: Robert J. Sawyer - Factoring Humanity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:29:43 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren >Siren indeed is one of >the most beautiful songs I ever heard in pop. Yay! A Tim Buckley reference. (^_^) >Is it me or does Elizabeth >sounds more nasal than usual here? Siren with a cold? Hmm - I always thought it was because she was actually singing in Buckley's style on this track. I'll have to re-listen and see if it's an homage to Tim or just a cold. (^_^) Did you ever hear either of Tim's versions? The one on Starsailor, or the one he did on the last episode of the Monkees' TV show? Totally different from each other. The earlier one - the Monkees version from '67 - is a folk madrigal. The later one - from Starsailor - is much more like the This Mortal Coil version. TMC went for the feel of the second version, but that's understandable since most people had never heard the earlier version. Well - except for me. I was a huge Monkees fan as a kid - and Tim's song basically changed my life. Turned me into a musician, basically. (^_^) Cheers, Paul NP - well, my own CD. (^_^) Yup - the project's finally done: http://www.weasel-bot.com/ptunes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:36:31 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse (was Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live?) >throwing muses - the curse Interesting CD this. The mix is real strange. I think it was to try and make it feel like you were at a concert - the vocals are buried for the first half. You can only hear them if you crank the CD loud! Still - they were in rare form that night. A great show. Recently, Kristin remixed one of the tracks from this and released it as a b-side. Sounds amazing. I really wish she'd remix the rest of it. Side note: Kristin was selling another good Throwing Muses live CD - but only at her shows. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:47:14 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles > Tim wrote: > >> On a visual level, I find most car adverts as appealing as Kelly Osbourne. > >> (This is possibly why I do not own a car). > Good one! So the ad world has a tremendous influence on your life > choices? No! Do you mispell your name in order to be like Nik Kershaw? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:38:51 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He must have a sad little life. here it comes..... > Just back from a gig, all Kiddy Robinson can do is send bitchin' lies and no > comment on the performance. I guess I should be emailing everyone to say the > highlight of my evening was not great music but the chance to miss it all by > talking to someone who bores me in the bar instead? I've always enjoyed having a chat with you at gigs, but you have obviously decided you are too cool to speak to me now. I found this strangely amusing. I found the gig really dull. (MoM played safe techno quite at odds with their recorded works). > > >>>>So bollocks to yer, Bill. Thats the last time I bother being civilised to > you. > > > What a terrible bore he is! > Does he really think he is more interesting than DJ Rupture? Yes I do actually. DJ Rupture puts records on. Fairly tame records at that. Fred Dibner is more interesting than DJ Rupture. But why didn't you just say you wanted to catch his set? Why blank me like a spoilt, pouty schoolgirl? > I don't > actually wear an anorak, but thanks for your concern. So what exactly would you call that acrylic, hooded, zip-fronted garment that you always seem to wear? >perhaps you could send > your mother round to do my cleaning? Wash yer own anorak you scrote. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:17:50 +0000 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire's wrongPop singles In message <00c301c28c51$58e46d40$a523073e@ROBINSON2>, Tim writes >Do you mispell your name in order to be like Nik Kershaw? ........sic........ Shortened, not Miss Pelt. Just like yours, I assume? Apologies for curiosity >:)= Thelesserevil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:51:13 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [OT] Throwing Muses - The Curse (was Re: [idealcopy] [ot] dozens of white boys/Wire live?) In a message dated 11/14/02 7:37:26 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: >>throwing muses - the curse > >Interesting CD this. The mix is real strange. especially the mixed up track listing! i can never understand how this happens (i used to do proofreading), but it happens quite a bit. definitely a hot show though! -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:20:55 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Manara's van Nik: > My van is a great home during my time off in summer, apart from having > served as my actual home for nearly 3 months this time in 2000. Far more > than a means of transport, it provides me with a great deal of freedom > and flexibility in lifestyles. Not bad. Reminds me of excellent draughtsman Milo Manara who used to wonder through Europe Africa and Asia Minor in his van wich was also was his studio... sending his work to publishers from where-ever he was. I always dreamt about that way of living - close to perfection. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:30:43 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [ot] Song to the Siren >> Siren indeed is one of the most beautiful songs I ever heard in pop. > Did you ever hear either of Tim's versions? No I didn't, but I'm curious cos of your enthusiasm Paul. To tell you the truth, I didn't even know it was a Tim Buckley song. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:27:05 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire live? Ari: > Stop making sense -YES,especially if you get the dvd,it's got the whole darn > movie and some extra stuff to boot. Think I'm gonna ask that dvd from Santa [no no, not you Rick, still busy with returning the favor - have faith] Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #385 *******************************