From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #375 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, November 6 2002 Volume 05 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Crossing Border [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Crossing Border [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Do Something Magical and Disappear [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Colin's UltraZine Intervista [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Supersilent ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] A Disobeedient Swarm ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] High Power Death Valley Hell ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Is This a Job for a Stupid Manana? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Daft Rants - Mr Marx Unstable ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Tip for Nana pt.1.2 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Q=Poo Barney McGrew ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] High Power Death Valley Hell ["Keith Astbury" And it looks like it will be webcast here.... > > > > > http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/events/default/index.shtml?2534202+8683106 > > > > Mark /////i presume this is all archived and you don't actually have to be sitting there to download it????? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:51:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crossing Border >>/////i presume this is all archived and you don't actually have to be sitting there to download it????? p<< They seem to archive everything. Some of the stuff has been truncated sets though - 30 mins or so. Though the recent Guided by Voices one is the best part of 2 hours long - the complete set, encores, the lot. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:57:34 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Wire > >>The kicker was the mention of it including the pre-show music, which was > brought up on IC in 2000, as a mix of Disney (Snow White?) and a couple of > other odd sources.<< Not Disney - it's a distorted loop of the theme tune to the long-running UK Radio 4 show Desert Island Discs - where celebrities choose a selection of favourite records that they would like to have with them if they were stranded on a desert island. Wire's little joke - they were playing their own selection of Wire oldies. EGL actually explains this to a no doubt uncomprehending US audience at the gig. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:05:28 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Do Something Magical and Disappear In a message dated 11/4/02 8:44:15 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: << Silicon Scally - Mr Machine (The darkside of Electro....makes Fischerspooner look very silly ) >> do they really need any help? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:10:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's UltraZine Intervista In a message dated 11/4/02 10:00:00 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << - U: At first listen, "Read & Burn" strikes you as a remarkably un-technological record, and quite different from "The First Letter" or "Manscape". Is that perception correct? And if so, was there some sort of technology fatigue to explain for all that? + CN: I personally think the 't' word should be banned from interviews with musicians making contemporary music. The "Read & Burn" series involves a much more intensive use of computers and sequencing that any previous Wire efforts. The software is just better now. >> Graham was saying this all along.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:16:51 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Supersilent >>>I'm quite enthralled by this track, I think I'll have to pick up one of their cds...any recommendations? I have 2 great CDs which I'd highly recommend Supersilent 4 Supersilent 5 both are equally superb and drastically modern in their mesmerising organic mash up of noise and jazz in a way that finally demotes the likes of Tim Berne & J Zorn to the 'old guard', which is not to slight them any. S5 is longer than 4, so might be a better deal. One friend said Supersilent seemed as much Throbbing Gristle as Miles Davies, but they don't really sound like either to me! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:17:00 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] A Disobeedient Swarm "Colin Newman, rumoured to be" -- Steve Albini Bruce Gilbert, rumoured to Keep Bees ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:19:42 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] High Power Death Valley Hell Latecomer on Sonic Youth scene >>>(As is sometimes the case with bands, if you didn't hear the earlier albums at the time, they can sound less enthralling - particularly as I like the more powerful sound they went for in the early 90's). More commercially/expensively produced maybe, but nothing from the 90s SY albums compares to the sheer raw power of Shakin' Hell Kill Yr Idols Brother James Death Valley 69 Pipeline Killtime Pacific Coast Highway Silver Rocket except maybe Drunken Butterfly from Dirty Then again I was in on their trip from Bad Moon Rising buying every album after that on the day of release until Jet Set where it seemed like they'd mostly lost the plot... A SY album with no Ranaldo vox is not a good thing! Sister has the perfect SY sound. Glenn Branca's Symphonies Nos 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8 & 10 are the fuck after the SY snog if you want to dig deeper Cracked Machine Splooey My Zine for Free http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:29:36 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Tip for Nana Nearly all WIRE lyrics and many guitar tabs are documented at www.wireviews.com if you need to know a song title but, for instance, the fact that some bloke chanting 'I am the fly in the ointment' over and over doesn't give it away. This should allow you to continue snidely lurking without causing too much consternation, no matter whether you are a mack user or totally PC. Now back to the important stuff, matters of no small concern with WIRE on the eve of their biggest European tour for years... 1. Which Sonic Youth album should student lad buy? 2. Ninth Lynn Computer Instruction Course (Part 1: How to do 'Email') 3. When is your birthday? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:30:13 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Is This a Job for a Stupid Manana? Name this tune: Band plays hard'n'tight in stop start time. Riffing like Na-Na! Manyana Na-Na! Singer sounds like sock has been pushed down throat and complains of homosexual gangstermen holed up on his living room floor. He seems quite perturbed by this and the atmosphere is one of potential extreme violence. Eventually he hollers, "This is a job for a stupid man!" Band Detonates Big Rock Action If you can help identify this track and save me spending almost a five dollar bill on a bit of aluminium, you will be in the running for a no expenses paid trip to Wunderbar Wunderbar Copenhagen to steal a set list from right under Bruce Gilbert's beatific bespectacled nose! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:30:45 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Marquee Mercy >>>Unfamiliar though I am with most of Television's output, I do recall - years ago - reading a Wire interview in which Lewis spoke highly of their lyrics, Lewis played Marquee Moon earlier this year when asked to DJ in Sweden. .......... Accorded temptation by symmetry (WIRE 99.9) I remember how the darkness doubled (Television Marquee Moon) In event of lightning striking twice (WIRE 99.9) I recall lightning struck itself (Television Marquee Moon) The hearse a taxi instead (WIRE Mercy) The Cadillac pulled into the graveyard (Television Marquee Moon) I fall into your arms (He Said I Fall into your arms) I fell into the arms of Venus Demilo (Televison Venus) You never know (WIRE Read and Burn) Prove it as a fact (Television Prove It) The lights are out, no one's at home (WIRE I Don't Understand) This case is closed (Television Prove It) THIS CASE IS CLOSED ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:31:36 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Daft Rants - Mr Marx Unstable >>>the only time i've heard the song in question was at the irving plaza gig. what is the song? the one that goes "it's too late to pray, etc" or something like that. Yes this is the as yet unreleased song Mr Marx's Table (on which Germ Ship can be seen floating on boards). Reminds me more than a little of 40 Versions (faulty virgins all dying to break my heart). Better not go quoting the words and blowing their cover as no doubt they'll change them all before 03 (Too Late to Change Um Ur Mind) to keep up the moderate confusion. Meanwhile Daft Rants is the song from Weed Unburn 02 that goes: Monkey moon looney tune watch out when Lewis plays the spoons I hope this helps the humble quest to locate it on kazaa! Cracked Machine ist Krank "Well?" said Para-Site http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:33:02 -0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Dirty Daydream Sex Goo (Kill Yr Whitey Jet Set Sister) >>>I have Daydream Nation by Sonic Youth and want more. Which albums to get? If you were in Manchester, I'd suggest a visit to the library, which seems to have everything from Sister to 1000 Leaves. Bizarrely the only WIRE they have is Behind the Curtain! But you're not so I say Get Sister next (preferably on vinyl) and work back thru Evol, Bad Moon, Confusion They had the perfect trashy fucked up tubehummin' garage sound for Sister which I couldn't get enough of. That album is just sheer raw rockin' power and mystic acid trip candleflutter vision plague from start to finish. Its a timeless flawless masterpiece and my favourite album to listen to on LSD (by which of course I'm referring to Long Short Digital, the fantastic new format that allows us to hear just how bad the original recordings really were, no we didn't just imagine it and please can we buy them again?). Goo was a massive disappointment to me, aside from the phenomenal Ranaldotune Mote and the Sister out-take Mildred Pierce. Its not bad, but after DN its so-so, and there's too much dumb humour that just isn't all that funny. Dirty is much better but suffers from having some of the best tracks left off as B-sides (Genetic, Destroyed Room, End of Ugly, Hendrix Necro) in favour of weaker songs such as Nic Fit, Creme Brulee, Swimsuit Issue, Purr. Maybe it'd be a good idea to wait until they reissue it in extended format soonish? I think they're doing that w/ Goo & DN as well. If you like DN a lot Goo & Dirty are kind of similar but lesser, then later albums are patchy, mostly due to Kim Gordon's atonal nursery crime vocal technique*, perhaps the best being the 2 most recent Murray Street & NYC Ghosts & Flowers. The instrumental EP SYR1 is also likely to entrance if you like DN. All the songs Lee Ranaldo sang are excellent btw. *When Kim is good she's very very spooky but when she's bad she's irksomely kooky Then Again maybe you should just look out for The Fibreglass Messiah Hello 21st Century Remixes, soon to be released exclusively on 8 Track Cartridge, the Retro-Futurist Format that's so Nearly Now its Yesterday! We Should Kill Time, Shut It Down http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:46:03 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Marquee Mercy that is fabulous! reminds me of the virgin prunes web site, which has a page of lyric comparisons (but all between themselves, and gavin and the prunes). i know grant lee phillips, and he has borrowed lines from others, reinterpreted, etc... i would imagine there's more of this in wire. anyone know of other instances? In a message dated 11/5/02 2:10:40 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > >Accorded temptation by symmetry (WIRE 99.9) > >I remember how the darkness doubled (Television Marquee Moon) > >In event of lightning striking twice (WIRE 99.9) > >I recall lightning struck itself (Television Marquee Moon) > >The hearse a taxi instead (WIRE Mercy) > >The Cadillac pulled into the graveyard (Television Marquee Moon) > >I fall into your arms (He Said I Fall into your arms) > >I fell into the arms of Venus Demilo (Televison Venus) > >You never know (WIRE Read and Burn) > >Prove it as a fact (Television Prove It) > >The lights are out, no one's at home (WIRE I Don't Understand) > >This case is closed (Television Prove It) > > >THIS CASE IS CLOSED ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:46:36 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tip for Nana << 2. Ninth Lynn Computer Instruction Course (Part 1: How to do 'Email') >> oh..i am so friggin' sorry that i didn't know that new versions of aol use html's that do not allow you to "reply to all" unless there's more than one e-mail address...so friggin' sorry that i didn't know that... you can be such an ass sometimes... why don't you just delete my e-mails when you see them.. afterall, i will NEVER say anything remotely as "important" as you do... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:49:42 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Daft Rants - Mr Marx Unstable hehee! my lunch almost hit the display. thanks for clearing up the table though. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 11/5/02 2:10:40 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >>>>the only time i've heard the song in question was at the irving plaza >gig. >what is the song? the one that goes "it's too late to pray, etc" or something >like that. > >Yes this is the as yet unreleased song >Mr Marx's Table (on which Germ Ship can be seen floating on boards). Reminds >me more than a little of 40 Versions (faulty virgins all dying to break >my >heart). > >Better not go quoting the words and blowing their cover as no doubt they'll >change them all before 03 (Too Late to Change Um Ur Mind) to keep up the >moderate confusion. > >Meanwhile Daft Rants is the song from Weed Unburn 02 that goes: > >Monkey moon >looney tune >watch out when >Lewis plays the spoons > >I hope this helps the humble quest to locate it on kazaa! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tip for Nana pt.1.2 Quite brilliant,didn't know you had a sense of humus there Bill......Ari Bill Hick wrote:Nearly all WIRE lyrics and many guitar tabs are documented at www.wireviews.com if you need to know a song title but, for instance, the fact that some bloke chanting 'I am the fly in the ointment' over and over doesn't give it away. This should allow you to continue snidely lurking without causing too much consternation, no matter whether you are a mack user or totally PC. Now back to the important stuff, matters of no small concern with WIRE on the eve of their biggest European tour for years... 1. Which Sonic Youth album should student lad buy? 2. Ninth Lynn Computer Instruction Course (Part 1: How to do 'Email') 3. When is your birthday? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:33:17 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tip for Nana pt.1.2 In a message dated 11/5/02 2:25:02 PM Central Standard Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: << Quite brilliant,didn't know you had a sense of humus there Bill......Ari >> yeah, he comes off with a good one now and again (when he's not busy spouting off conspiracy theories about government manufactured common colds or attacking Tim, students, or me) RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:08:09 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q=Poo Barney McGrew - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > As Neil Tennant said, we're living in 'the revenge of the stage school > brats' age. The worst thing about it is that it shows no sign of letting up, > or people getting fed up of it. And if this all people know and expect... > > Keith Good news may reside in reports from a friend who breezed past Waterstones in Leeds city centre on Friday, where Gareth Gates was apparently making a personal appearance. Large stacks of unnecessary crowd barriers propped against the walls and orange coated security staff drifting around with an air of purposelessness may indicate a Hearsay type decline in fortunes. Ian B np The Wiretapper 9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:14:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Power Death Valley Hell > More commercially/expensively produced maybe, but nothing from the 90s SY > albums compares to the sheer raw power of > > Death Valley 69 One of my faves too. Lydia's vocs are almost up there with those on Teenage Jesus 'Orphans' - one of my all time fave singles. But back to SY - what about their version of Touch Me I'm Sick! Pretty raw and wild. Keith NP Electrelane - Rock it to the Moon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:17:07 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dirty Daydream Sex Goo (Kill Yr Whitey Jet Set Sister) On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 05:33:02PM -0000, Bill Hick wrote: > >>>I have Daydream Nation > by Sonic Youth and want more. Which albums to get? > > If you were in Manchester, I'd suggest a visit to the library, which seems to > have everything from Sister to 1000 Leaves. Bizarrely the only WIRE they have > is Behind the Curtain! > > But you're not so I say > Get Sister next (preferably on vinyl) > and work back thru > Evol, Bad Moon, Confusion > [much good advice] Thanks, and apologies for drifting from Wire. I'm sadly not going to be able to make it to the gig, though I await news from the front with interest. The rumoured South Bank show, however, is certainly within blagging-somewhere- to-crash distance for me... so that's definitely sounding promising. One question: anyone know what happened to the Steve Albini-recorded live set from the last American tour? - - Andrew ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #375 *******************************