From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #370 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 2 2002 Volume 05 : Number 370 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 99.9 Drills Agree in Public Vacuum [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] vid [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Wire Track I.D. Please [World Domination Industries Not watched it yet, but I should have an SP copy too if anyone needs it. > > Mark > Me too.Did it in SP.Again will get a copy done if need be.Robert ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:45:21 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 99.9 Drills Agree in Public Vacuum On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:21:10PM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>Better not mention Lee Ranaldo's use of the drill as musical instrument on > > the first Sonic Youth EP...<< > > yer Neubauten beat him to it. The group photo on the back of Kollaps, with > all their "hardware" laid out before them, is one of the finest pictures of a > beat combo ever taken. > Anyway, at least one of Blur have abused a Black and Decker on record ("Essex Dogs", off 'Blur'); thus proving that it's difficult to like everyone who exercises their ability in this regard. Andrew (could this be a ... *thwap*) - -- "What else can I write? I don't have the right, Who else can I be? All apologies... " - Nirvana, "All Apologies" ('In Utero') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 99.9 Drills Agree in Public Vacuum [blended - stirred not shaken] lousi anderson collaborated with barbara streisand on a recording of... "barbara and other instruments" which pre-dates everyone [except perhaps an unpublished bruce piece] while my memory is unclear exactly whether ther was a power drill, there were a large number of household appliances, this being mr. anderson's forte i also recall a christmas carol recorded with an orchestra and household appliance soloists madonna: "music is where you find it" [ok so a took a little license] np: lowercase-sound 2002 [for those quiet moments mr hick] HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:28:34 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Cheer up, Keith > > ////////so what is the suggested meeting place then , did we ever work that > > out? p > > > Hey don't forget me - 43 last Tuesday. sorry Chris. Hope you had a good 'un! > Will be at Brighton.Don't think a place > was suggested. > Chris Howard had suggested a possible pre gig meeting place at the Hanbury arms, on St George's Road. Any updates on this... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:42:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] favorite drill use... Fad Gadget - "Rickey's Hand" Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:22:13 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] London Orbital Sorry Keith, I really enjoyed it... I like that kind of speculative/philosophical filmmaking, which reminded me occasionally of Derek Jarman (though a lot more urban of course)... liked the split screen stuff... I really like the idea of drawing out various connections, no matter how strange they seemed... the idea of the M25 as a four chambered heart... part of Stoker's Dracula set there (and other blood metaphors I can't call to mind now), I think you either go with this stuff or not, kind of suspension of disbelief and so on... it's something that needs repeated viewing, as it's not easy to take in all the ideas in one go, especially when broadcast late, as I tended to drift in and out of consciousness... though even that suited the dream like nature of the image treatments... Bruce's sound design slotted in very well, underscoring the whole with a nicely understated atmosphere... I was surprised that it was more akin to his 80s output. That riffing section was a bit of a surprise I have to say, it conjured up images of him grimacing as he wielded his axe... I read Sinclair's "Whitechapell, Scarlet Tracings" years ago, and quite enjoyed it. Just the other day I picked up a S/H copy of "Lights Out For The Territory", which I'm really looking forward to delving into... I'm reading "My Idea Of Fun" by Will Self at the moment, it's a howl... The hills were alive last night, as the children of the night made their music... meaning, of course, halloween made my neighbourhood like Beirut last night(just where do they get these industrial grade fireworks?). So, of course, I had to set the DAT up and stick the mike out the window, and let the tape run... What wonderful percussion it all was... right across the landscape - far distant rumblings, mid distant and close up cracks, pops, whistles, screams, car alarms, dogs... activating the whole space, the deep percussive thumps rippling across the landscape, as though it were buckling under some incredible strain... Fergus Sorry chaps I was gonna try and tape it for you, but unfortunately I missed the start. So what was the opinion on this then? Personally, I thought it was a load of pants to be honest. Sinclair, if it was him narrating, has the most boring ineffective tv voice I've heard in a while. The guy should take up hypnosis. Whereas Bill Drummond made driving around the M25 for 25 hours in his '45' book seem really interesting, this guy had me reaching for the pillow. It didn't help that Bruces music was just that touch too loud when the narration was going on (though I'd have preferred it if the music had been even louder and the narration had been left off). Best bit? That subverted blues riff over the most percussive piece accompanying yet more footage of the UK's second worse motorway (the M6 is the worst IMO). I'd like to hear that in it's entirity, but otherwise, pretentious bollocks... Keith _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:52:38 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital > it's something that needs repeated > viewing, as it's not easy to take in all the ideas in one go, especially > when broadcast late, as I tended to drift in and out of consciousness... That was my problem too. But mainly due to the guy's monotone drawl, not the ideas or split screen. I just switched off (mentally). Sinclair should have got someone with a bit of life in their voice to narrate it. Robin Williams maybe ; ) Got a pretty good review from Caitlin Moran in todays Times BTW. > That riffing section was a bit of a surprise I have to say, > it conjured up images of him grimacing as he wielded his axe... My fave bit. Really upped the ante for a few seconds. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:08:23 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 03:52:38PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > > it's something that needs repeated > > viewing, as it's not easy to take in all the ideas in one go, especially > > when broadcast late, as I tended to drift in and out of consciousness... > > That was my problem too. But mainly due to the guy's monotone drawl, not the > ideas or split screen. I just switched off (mentally). Sinclair should have > got someone with a bit of life in their voice to narrate it. Robin Williams > maybe ; ) Troll! (Seriously, Robin Williams has had so many take-the-money-and-run parts it makes it very hard for me to tolerate him, even when objectively what he's doing isn't that bad. No doubt I'll be accused of hypocrisy now for tolerating some bands' work, and I'd probably agree...) - - Andrew - -- "Any day now, how's about getting out of this place anyway; got a lot of spare time, some of my youth, and all of my senses on overdrive " - Elbow, "Any Day Now" ('Asleep In The Back') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:06:46 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's In a message dated 11/1/02 3:32:42 AM Central Standard Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > Me too.Did it in SP.Again will get a copy done if need be.Robert ? > Chris > Yes, i would very much like a copy...my address is: Robert Lynn 8941 North Broadway St. Louis, MO 63137 USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:10:56 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's In a message dated 10/31/02 1:48:19 PM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Not watched it yet, but I should have an SP copy too if anyone needs it. > > Mark > yes..please send to Chris so he can make a copy for me! contact chris at CHRIS WIRE@aol.com...thanks! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:11 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's > > Me too.Did it in SP.Again will get a copy done if need be.Robert ? > > Chris > > > > Yes, i would very much like a copy...my address is: > > Robert Lynn > 8941 North Broadway > St. Louis, MO 63137 > USA These are PAL, not NTSC, Robert. I thought you couldn't handle these? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:35:13 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's Addendum to my note: > > These are PAL, not NTSC, Robert. I thought you couldn't handle these? > (^_^) > I'm still offering my PAL to NTSC conversion service for free. Some kind person on this list has offered to send me a copy of the show in PAL (sorry I can't remember who sent me the e-mail - it's on my computer at work), and I intend to take them up on this offer. I will then make NTSC copies available for the Americans (Robert, et al.) Robert - I'm assuming that you want one of these copies. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:04:25 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's In a message dated 11/1/02 12:23:25 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << These are PAL, not NTSC, Robert. I thought you couldn't handle these? (^_^) >> sorry..i meant, send one to Chris, so he can transfer it for me... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:05:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's In a message dated 11/1/02 12:35:38 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << I'm still offering my PAL to NTSC conversion service for free. Some kind person on this list has offered to send me a copy of the show in PAL (sorry I can't remember who sent me the e-mail - it's on my computer at work), and I intend to take them up on this offer. I will then make NTSC copies available for the Americans (Robert, et al.) Robert - I'm assuming that you want one of these copies. (^_^) Cheers, Paul >> yes...thank you... RObert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:43:41 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Brighton gig - meeting up I suggest meeting at the Bristol Bar, on the corner of Paston place with the seafront (Marine Parade). It is the closest decent sized place to venue (went up there today to check and had half a pint in there to check it wasn't completely unacceptable). The Concorde II which is just over the road and down the cliff, as it were. From the outside it looks quite impressive. If you are coming by train, you can take the 7 or 7A buses from just outside the station. Ask for Paston Place - the stop is by St George's Church, a sand coloured Georgian style church. Paston place is the first right, leading down to the sea. Email me off list if you need any further directions. I actually won't be able to make it until 8.15 or 8.30 as I have a French conversation class that evening (don't laugh, I'm trying to better myself). I guess other people will want to meet before that. I'll ring the venue next week to check what time the acts are likely to be onstage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:12:07 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Cheer up, Keith In a message dated 01/11/2002 13:20:33 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Howard had suggested a possible pre gig meeting place at the Hanbury arms, > on St George's > Road. Any updates on this... > > Keith > I take it it's close to the Concorde II.Sounds good to me. 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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:12:17 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] The Ideal London Orbital Copy Hi everyone, I'm starting to get confused. Here's what I currently know. Both Chris & Mark have SP copies, and can/are willing to make copies. But - I think that these would be PAL only - correct? Neither of which would be of any use to Robert in their present state. Ian has stated that he would send me his master copy (I think that's what he means). I would be more than happy to use my near-pro VCRs to make NTSC copies from the master PAL tape I was sent, and return the tape. So far, Robert and Ari have expressed interest in obtaining NTSC copies. At this point, I don't think Mark or Chris need to make copies. Does this sound about right? Ian - my shipping address (which is safe for magnetic material) is: Paul A. Pietromonaco WRQ, Inc. 1500 Dexter Ave. N. Seattle, WA 98109 I would probably only ask Robert and Ari for either a small fee to cover tape cost and shipping (no profit!) or a tape in exchange. For Ian, I would be willing to send his tape back, and a tape of some American stuff (I can do NTSC to PAL as well) to be determined later, or some appropriate monetary payment. Does this sound cool with everyone? (^_^) Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 01:52:48 +0000 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Fergus Kelly" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:52:38 -0000 > > > it's something that needs repeated > > viewing, as it's not easy to take in all the ideas in one go, especially > > when broadcast late, as I tended to drift in and out of consciousness... > >That was my problem too. But mainly due to the guy's monotone drawl, not >the >ideas or split screen. I just switched off (mentally). Sinclair should have >got someone with a bit of life in their voice to narrate it. Robin Williams >maybe ; ) ///// This was what I liked about the delivery - the deadpan nature of it, without obvious personality, it suited the subject. A strong personality would have been sort of distracting, like when actors "act". > >Got a pretty good review from Caitlin Moran in todays Times BTW. > > > That riffing section was a bit of a surprise I have to say, > > it conjured up images of him grimacing as he wielded his axe... > >My fave bit. Really upped the ante for a few seconds. ///// Careful with that axe Bruce... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:52:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] vid fine by me did you select anything or would you prefer c.d's,got some pretty cool concerts.Ari HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: World Domination Industries Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Track I.D. Please Hello, I need to know the name of a wire song. It says something like, "when i feel hot, i FEEL HOT!" and it says stuff like "the i-deeal copyyy" Is this called ideal copy? I tought ideal copy was the name of a record not a song? What song is this. Also perhaps this is a remix or something? I need to know and i also need to know what, year, label, format and catalog # it is. thank you Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:31:20 +0100 (CET) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Track I.D. Please On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, World Domination Industries wrote: > Also perhaps this is a remix or something? I need to > know and i also need to know what, year, label, format > and catalog # it is. The song is called Ambitious, track 1 side B of the album The Ideal Copy, Mute Records STUMM 42, 1987. The CD has the two 12 inch singles (Snakedrill and Ahead) as bonus tracks. I believe there is a remix on Coatings but i never picked that one up. b ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #370 *******************************