From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #368 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 31 2002 Volume 05 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] blood wire [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Great EPs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] wire in vera ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Wire Interview [World Domination Industries ] Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] spooky jukebox [TheFirstLastNumberTheLastLastNumber@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] wire in vera [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:35:49 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] blood wire http://www.bloodyfingermail.com/message.php?id=15379 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:56:08 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's Hi all, Paul & Robert, I have got it on videotape, but at LP setting... & talking of great EP's, I see that there is a box set of 5 discs by Jeff Buckley called 'the Grace ep's' released on 4th November Tasty! later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:29:19 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BOC > -----Original Message----- > From: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:14 PM > To: umur_ot@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] BOC > > > November 25th sees the long awaited re-issue of the "Twoism" > album by Boards > of Canada... and I thought this is the official short form of Blue Oyster Cult. Duh! FfB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:46:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Great EPs This mornings EP for breakfast: Boards of Canada " A Beautiful Place Out in the Country" could this be my favorite ep ever? it is today... for some interesting info on the mysteries of BOC go to: Boards of Canada - Discography and Information ( http://www.davidac.fsworld.co.uk/boc.htm ) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:31:06 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. Dream Syndicate's 1st ep on Down There hit like a bomb when it first came out. The Velvet's Revival starts (t)here. Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian.s. jackson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. > >I like a good e.p. myself... > > furthermore... > > The Buzzcocks - 'Spiral Scratch'...which i just happened to play over the > weekend and my vote for greatest ever EP (only just ahead of 'Snakedrill', i > hasten to add). > > Rapeman - 'Budd'...a shock after Big Black quite frankly... > > MBV - 'You Made Me Realise'...inc. 'Drive It All Over Me', forgotten how > good this one was... > > The Go-Betweens - 'Part Company'...just sublime, (the 12-inch i'm counting > as an EP here) also including the equally wonderful 'Just A King In Mirrors' > and 'Newton Told Me'. > > obviously, there's loads more...nice one Keith A, for remembering the > Snapper EP...!!! these were just the first ones that came to mind... > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:32:55 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. how about Alberto y los Trios Paranoias "Snuff Rock" ep? (or even Lowe's "Bowi"?) sg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian.s. jackson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. > >these were just the first ones that came to mind... > > > >ian.s.j. > > can i just point out that this was before i read Bill's extensive list... > > which didn't include The Clash's 'Cost Of Living' EP...come, come... > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:44:45 +0100 From: S=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=bastien Morlighem Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. And what about The Homosexuals EP ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:37:29 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some More Great EPs There are trillions of great eps. Especially when one blurs the lines between 12-inchers w/ extra tracks, et al. et al. What strikes me most about the power of a great ep is when it is a taster, or introduction to a band, or new phase in a known band's development that excites you so much that you just play those 4, 5, 6 songs over and over till they're totally ingrained in your brain and you can't wait for the next, new release by your heroes. This also often seems to happen when a "new scene" is breakin out and all the newer bands stake out territory. Just goes to show that even in this age of 80-min CDs, brevity and consisity (consiseness?), in the pursuit of excellence are still appreciated. Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some More Great EPs > aren't eps the greatest! what a great list graeme. here's a couple i just > remembered: > > stereolab - jenny ondioline > stereolab - wow & flutter (this one's got my fave early stereolab song "heavy > denim") > james - village fire (five offerings from james) > severed heads - goodbye tonsils > -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:47:06 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some More Great EPs On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:37:29AM -0500, Stephen Graziano wrote: > next, new release by your heroes. This also often seems to happen when a > "new scene" is breakin out and all the newer bands stake out territory. > Just goes to show that even in this age of 80-min CDs, brevity and consisity > (consiseness?), in the pursuit of excellence are still appreciated. Most of the truly great debut albums I know of are pretty short: kind of "statements of intent", if you like - at least of recent ones, where the ability to fill a CD seems to have turned into the *obligation* to fill it. Most recent albums have quite a bit of filler, whereas I'd rather an album was just under half an hour and trimmed to the bone - keep it concentrated, keep it punchy, don't spoil your mystique with songs you *know* aren't as good as your best ones. "Here we are, this is what we sound like. Deal with it." That's not to say a lot of good bands haven't issued dodgy debut albums, though: but looking at the sig my random generator has given me, it's notable that Radiohead only really had success with the "Creep" EP (there we go again) off their first album, and then the My Iron Lung EP... - - Andrew (and "Permanent Daylight" might well be a Sonic Youth lift circa Hyperstation, but it's a *damn good* one) - -- "This machine will not, will not communicate, These thoughts, and the strain I am under..." - - Radiohead, 'Street Spirit (Fade Out)' ("The Bends") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:29:25 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire in vera Ta for that, Bart :) Glenn. > ...so? learn dutch & enjoy! > bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:38:39 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire in vera Bart will vouch for this. I might not be able to read the Wire article but I know the words to 'There's A Mouse in a Windmill in Old Amsterdam' in Dutch! well it's a start ; ) Keith > Ta for that, Bart :) > Glenn. > > > > ...so? learn dutch & enjoy! > > bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:59:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 'LONDON ORBITAL' Sorry chaps I was gonna try and tape it for you, but unfortunately I missed the start. So what was the opinion on this then? Personally, I thought it was a load of pants to be honest. Sinclair, if it was him narrating, has the most boring ineffective tv voice I've heard in a while. The guy should take up hypnosis. Whereas Bill Drummond made driving around the M25 for 25 hours in his '45' book seem really interesting, this guy had me reaching for the pillow. It didn't help that Bruces music was just that touch too loud when the narration was going on (though I'd have preferred it if the music had been even louder and the narration had been left off). Best bit? That subverted blues riff over the most percussive piece accompanying yet more footage of the UK's second worse motorway (the M6 is the worst IMO). I'd like to hear that in it's entirity, but otherwise, pretentious bollocks... Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 'LONDON ORBITAL' > In a message dated 10/29/02 11:39:40 AM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com > writes: > > << I can do it! (^_^) > > No - seriously - I have a VCR that can convert PAL to NTSC. It wouldn't be > as good as a professional, expensive conversion, but it would look very, > very good. > > If someone makes a spare PAL tape, at SP mode, and sends it to me, I would > be happy to make a few NTSC copies. I would also send the PAL tape back, > of course. (Unless you'd like to give me a gift...(^_^)) >> > > > well...there you have it guys....would anyone be so kind as to help me out? > i'd really like to see this film..it sounds very interesting...and hey, Bruce > does the soundtrack!...HELP? anyone? > > Robert & Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:57:32 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 'LONDON ORBITAL' In a message dated 10/30/02 2:50:44 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << Best bit? That subverted blues riff over the most percussive piece accompanying yet more footage of the UK's second worse motorway (the M6 is the worst IMO). I'd like to hear that in it's entirity, but otherwise, pretentious bollocks... >> i like pretentious bollocks... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:24:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 'LONDON ORBITAL' > << Best bit? That subverted blues riff over the most percussive piece > accompanying yet more footage of the UK's second worse motorway (the M6 is > the worst IMO). I'd like to hear that in it's entirity, but otherwise, > pretentious bollocks... >> > > i like pretentious bollocks... well I've been known to as well, but this was DULL IMO! K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:40:42 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some More Great EPs StevieG... >There are trillions of great eps. oh my god...i forgot The Jean-Paul Sartre Experience's (genuine) 12-inch EP (that included 'Flex' 'The Loving Grapevine' and a few others...can't remember if it has a title...must find again...) another Antipodean treasure, along with those Birthday Party 12" EP's and that Snapper EP... time to consider Half Man Half Biscuit's 'Trumpton Riots' EP as well...? well, maybe... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:56:16 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Trance CD For the Wire compleatest, on Ebay there is a CD copy of "Trance Induction" - Electrickery (search / enter: wire trance). Fans of Wire, they dedicate the CD to them. Very Ideal Copy era, early He Said, & Swimable in my earpinion ... Bruceffects linear in tracks ... cohesive dance trance!! As mentioned before, -recommended-!!! And, NO DISTINGUSHABLE WORDS to nuisance you with! If you have a CD jukebox, this is a must with your Wire & related collection. The bid is about $4.50, whereas Gemm.com offers it between $20-$35. Good Luck to the Curious! Feeling Fluid & EarConditioned from the above CD as I type this, Regards/voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:24:48 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Bo / WIR30 I tried several anagram engines / generators, only to have this WebTV internet terminal fail the quest. Anyone with windows / mac can execute the excercise as indicated ... curious now why no mention of god/God on album back ... Just: "remixed and re-located by The Hafler Trio at Suitcase Studios in Reykjavik, Iceland". Has anyone inquired at h30@veda.is or touch@touch.demon.uk ? Is this the beggining of a mystery version (fancy footsi - footsi?) or Lewis' last 3 words: "power supplies cut"? What of this from 1995? voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: World Domination Industries Subject: [idealcopy] test test Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: World Domination Industries Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Interview Wire's on here. I think part 1 or 2. Weird interview. Dusty street did some cool import shows in the mid-late 80's even though she sounds like a fucking dolt here. http://archives.depechemode.com/audio/radio/kroq_061888_rosebowl.html Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:45:27 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's Hi Andrew, >Paul & Robert, I have got it on videotape, but at LP setting... > Hey - that's great news. I can actually handle LP. I was just hoping for SP so it would make cleaner copies. I hate to ask this, but does anyone have it in SP? (^_^;;) >& talking of great EP's, I see that there is a box set of 5 discs > >by Jeff Buckley called 'the Grace ep's' released on 4th November > Yup - there's a mention of these in the latest Jeff Buckley newsletter. They're basically the 5 EPs that were released around the time of the Grace CD - although, oddly enough they're missing the Australian "Eternal Life" EP, with the crackling "road-version" of the that song. Still, if you've never heard the Japanese "Last Goodbye" or the "Peyote Radio Theater" EP, and you like Jeff Buckley, they're well worth picking up, I'd hazard a guess. Plus, they're supposed to have all new essays by the major participants in Jeff's band, etc. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:49:05 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London Orbital / EP's >Hi Andrew, > D'oh!!!!!! I meant Alistair - ALISTAIR, I tell you! Andrew's the guy at work to whom I was writing another e-mail simultaneously... Sheesh! (They always say... "D'oh") Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:57:09 -0600 (CST) From: TheFirstLastNumberTheLastLastNumber@webtv.net (Happy Halloween) Subject: [idealcopy] spooky jukebox http://www.allhallowseve.com/music/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:25:26 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire in vera keith: > Bart will vouch for this. I might not be able to read the Wire article but I > know the words to 'There's A Mouse in a Windmill in Old Amsterdam' in Dutch! ok, for old times sake one more time - in front of the class Keith... bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #368 *******************************