From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #365 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 28 2002 Volume 05 : Number 365 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Friday admission ["Andrew Lumbard" ] [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Friday admission ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:07:46 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Friday admission Sadly I didn't make the two hour schlep down the M40 for the Wire track on Friday night. But i have to admit to a quick half hour sprint up to a gig in Northampton. I now feel totally uplifted, the sun is constantly shining and I am sat at my pc in a white robe. Love, peace & happiness AndyL btw. British Sea Power were cracking last week, pity about the poor turn-out, but perticularly enjoyed the distribution of the drumkit to the audience on the last tune. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:18:04 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. I'd heard bits of their work before, but never an entire album's worth in one sitting. My goodness. If you haven't heard godspeed you black emperor!'s "Levez Vos Skinny Fists comme Antennas to Heaven", you *really* should. - - Andrew - -- "London ice cracks on a seamless line, We're hanging on for dear life." - Blur, "For Tomorrow" ('Modern Life is Rubbish') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:33:35 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. In a message dated 10/27/02 6:18:21 AM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: >I'd heard bits of their work before, but never an entire album's worth >in >one sitting. > >My goodness. > >If you haven't heard godspeed you black emperor!'s "Levez Vos Skinny Fists >comme Antennas to Heaven", you *really* should. i was going to have this one in my top ten, rather than f#a#infinity, cuz there are parts of f#a# that lose the mood a bit for me, but i went with the "groudbreaking" one since that was the gist o my list...btw, their ep "slow riot for new zero kanada" is my fave of the three. can't wait to hear the new one! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:18:30 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 09:33:35AM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/27/02 6:18:21 AM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: [gybe!'s "levez..."] > i was going to have this one in my top ten, rather than f#a#infinity, cuz > there are parts of f#a# that lose the mood a bit for me, but i went with the > "groudbreaking" one since that was the gist o my list...btw, their ep "slow > riot for new zero kanada" is my fave of the three. can't wait to hear the new > one! I bought a couple of CDs yesterday, actually, as a birthday present for myself. The other one's majestic too: the Delgados' "Hate". You can tell it's a Dave Fridmann production, especially on "All You Need is Hate" (yes, it's a Beatles reference, I suspect). I suspect it'd go down well with fans of late Flaming Lips / Mercury Rev ("Soft Bulletin" and "Deserters' Songs" onwards), but really it deserves to be heard by a wide audience: intelligent, orchestrated, dark guitar pop which doesn't compromise, a shot in the arm the mainstream could do with but will doubtless ignore... - - Andrew - -- adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:53:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. i wrote: >"groudbreaking" in some remote parts of the world, the word is alternately spelled "groundbreaking"... anyway, my vote for "slow riot..." as fave gybe release got me thinking about eps! here's a quick list of eps/12"ers in my collection that receive top honors: wire - snakedrill (this is the release that got me to reexamine chairs missing, the only wire record i had up to this point, and then there was no turning back!) godspeed you black emperor! - slow riot for new zero kanada (first gybe! i ever heard. it came through my car radio on the way to dinner with my wife. it takes a lot to keep me out of a sushi bar, but i had to wait in the car til it finished to find out what this beautiful thing was) bauhaus - bela lugosi's dead (i walked into a record store in ny and this was playing. i had never heard anything like it before...and probably haven't since) savage republic - tragic figure (it was cathartic, manic, depressed, and introspective and all crammed into a 3 song 7"!) cocteau twins - how can i choose one? their eps highlighted their career for me. aikea guinea, tiny dynamine, echoes in a shallow bay, sunburst and snowblind, love's easy tears ...could be any one or all of these on any given day. well, that's five off the toppa me head - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:03:15 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: SV: [idealcopy] Spacemen 3 query Sorry, can't help you, but you're very lucky to find it! I am searching for a Spacemen 3 discussion list, know anything about it? Maybe we should make one? Take me to the other side .......... Eiliv >Came across this (and bought it) at my local CD shop yesterday: >Spacemen 3 - All Fucked Up - Post Script Records - Script 1 >Cover art has a drawing of a Gemini era USA spacement w/ rather tatty sci-fi >pulp magazine graphics. >Tracks: >Come Together >Rollercoaster >Take Me to the Other Side >Things Will Never Be the Same >Starship >Revolution >Little Doll >O.D. Catastrophe >Come Together Two Times > >Recording is a rather good audience live gig. Probably 1989 judging from >the songs. Absolutely no liner notes or recording info. >Anyone have any info on this? >Steve. G ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:41:47 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:53:54PM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > i wrote: > > >"groudbreaking" > > in some remote parts of the world, the word is alternately spelled > "groundbreaking"... > > anyway, my vote for "slow riot..." as fave gybe release got me thinking about > eps! here's a quick list of eps/12"ers in my collection that receive top > honors: > I'd like to chime in with a couple: Radiohead - My Iron Lung EP "Hang on, this is the band who did *Creep*?" - basically, most of this stuff is as good as the songs on the Bends. (Though it wasn't released in the UK, the Australian import of Street Spirit / Molasses / Bishop's Robes / Talk Show Host is right up there too. and Mogwai - My Father, My King One track. 20:12. Play loud, but remember to bring earplugs. - - Andrew - -- "I'm not that mediaeval, sometimes I write my thoughts down, I can never remember who I am..." - - Idlewild, "Everyone Says You're So Fragile" ('Hope is Important') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:47:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] calling IC north-west massive > Anyone else going to Crispy Ambulance in Manchester tonight? > > Mark What were they like, Mark? Keith (regretting not going) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:02:42 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash > A report from the Barbican last night. > > So, a short Wire appearance in a portmanteau evening. A bit of a Curate's > egg all told but I enjoyed it. Now how about getting Dip Flash released? > > another the Keith Thanks Keith (and Mark too) for the review. Sounds a really interesting night... How did they go down? Keith NP Underworld - 2 months off ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:55:43 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. I'd add: The Birthday Party - Mutiny in Heaven Surely their finest hour, gothic, blistering and extreme. Pavement - Perfect Sound Forever As I said earlier, almost up there with Slanted and Enchanted in my view. Great instrumental pieces on this too, which they never went in for subsequently. The first two (three?) Ride eps Never play them nowadays but they blew me away at the time (memo to self - must dig them out) Suede - first two eps Strong tracks from beginning to end and a statement of intent they never really lived up to. I'm sure there's more lurking in the back brain somewhere. This is a useful exercise actually - it's made me realise there are few things more exciting in musical appreciation than hearing an ep by a new band (I'd shoehorn Snake/Drill into that category). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:53:54PM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > i wrote: > > > > >"groudbreaking" > > > > in some remote parts of the world, the word is alternately spelled > > "groundbreaking"... > > > > anyway, my vote for "slow riot..." as fave gybe release got me thinking about > > eps! here's a quick list of eps/12"ers in my collection that receive top > > honors: > > > > I'd like to chime in with a couple: > > Radiohead - My Iron Lung EP > > "Hang on, this is the band who did *Creep*?" - basically, most of this stuff > is as good as the songs on the Bends. (Though it wasn't released in the UK, > the Australian import of Street Spirit / Molasses / Bishop's Robes / Talk > Show Host is right up there too. > > and > > Mogwai - My Father, My King > > One track. 20:12. Play loud, but remember to bring earplugs. > > - Andrew > > -- > "I'm not that mediaeval, sometimes I write my thoughts down, > I can never remember who I am..." > - Idlewild, "Everyone Says You're So Fragile" ('Hope is Important') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:04:34 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. I've played Hate a couple of times and it hasn't worked up the magic for me yet that The Great Eastern did - which I would agree was majestic. But it's jostling for space on the CD player with a lot of recent acquisitions - The Coral, Malcolm Middleton, Amon Tobin, Peter Hammill, The Kingsbury Manx, Leila, Waterson : Carthy, Peter Gabriel - with Sigur Ros and Suicide yet to come - the latter spurred on by Keith A's enthusiasm, the track on Wiretapper, and the rave in the Wire mag itself. Thank God for birthday presents. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > > I bought a couple of CDs yesterday, actually, as a birthday present > for myself. The other one's majestic too: the Delgados' "Hate". You > can tell it's a Dave Fridmann production, especially on "All You Need > is Hate" (yes, it's a Beatles reference, I suspect). I suspect it'd go > down well with fans of late Flaming Lips / Mercury Rev ("Soft > Bulletin" and "Deserters' Songs" onwards), but really it deserves to > be heard by a wide audience: intelligent, orchestrated, dark guitar > pop which doesn't compromise, a shot in the arm the mainstream could > do with but will doubtless ignore... > > - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:05:49 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Friday admission Andrew - are the Polyphonic Spree actually any good? I've not heard a note yet myself. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Friday admission > Sadly I didn't make the two hour schlep down the M40 for the Wire track on > Friday night. > But i have to admit to a quick half hour sprint up to a gig in Northampton. > I now feel totally uplifted, the sun is constantly shining and I am sat at > my pc in a white robe. > > Love, peace & happiness > > AndyL > > btw. British Sea Power were cracking last week, pity about the poor > turn-out, but perticularly enjoyed the distribution of the drumkit to the > audience on the last tune. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:11:32 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. Confession time - I actually fell asleep at the last GYBE! gig I saw at the Union Chapel, pretty good going considering one sits on hard pews. In mitigation I had been drinking all day. I would also like to be taken into account m'lud, dozing through most of a This Heat gig back in 78, the mitigating factor being I was sat in a very comfortable lounge chair in a student union bar. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: [idealcopy] so much for *that* top ten, then. > I'd heard bits of their work before, but never an entire album's worth in > one sitting. > > My goodness. > > If you haven't heard godspeed you black emperor!'s "Levez Vos Skinny Fists > comme Antennas to Heaven", you *really* should. > > - Andrew > > -- > "London ice cracks on a seamless line, > We're hanging on for dear life." > - Blur, "For Tomorrow" ('Modern Life is Rubbish') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:17:45 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash Wire went down pretty well. It was a packed auditorium, as far as I could tell from where I was sitting, and they received a firm round of applause. It wasn't really the occasion for showy appreciation. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Keith Knight Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash > Thanks Keith (and Mark too) for the review. Sounds a really interesting > night... > > How did they go down? > > Keith > > NP Underworld - 2 months off ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:27:40 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Friday admission > Andrew - are the Polyphonic Spree actually any good? I've not heard a note > yet myself. > > another the Keith I'm not Andrew, but... My eldest son who has recently started university, has become involved in a uni magazine. He rang me last week to say he was going to interview the Polyphonic Spree. As there are 24 of them, they all wear white robes and look like some weird cult, I did wonder if they were gonna whisk him off somewhere, but he's since rang and said he only interviewed the main guy. He said he was really nice, and made him feel at ease (this was my lads 1st interview). He watched the gig afterwards and said they were *great*. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:30:55 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express It appears that Colin Newman has some agreement from Rolling Stone magazine with respect to his high opinion of Kraftwerk's Trans-Europe Express. In the "Hall Of Fame" portion of the Rolling Stone record reviews, they have given five stars to Trans-Europe Express. Here's the review: "With their 1974 international smash hit "Autobahn," Kraftwerk had coolly demonstrated that an experimental electronic group from Dusseldorf, Germany, could kick out perfect pop on par with anything by the Beach Boys. In fact, Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider, the band's creative nucleus, were huge fans of Brian Wilson and loads of other American music. But with Trans-Europe Express, they set out to reinvent a different legend: that of Europa itself. In the process, they changed pop music forever. In 1976, as the group was beginning work on the album, a friend casually remarked that its music was like "electronic blues," and suggested it do a song about the Trans-Europe Express. Kraftwerk structured the album around the concept of a train moving across a continent that was rapidly becoming borderless and digital. The album glimmers into motion with "Europe Endless," a flowing, glowing hymn to the "real life and postcard views" of the Old World. The beats are crisp, the synths lush and percussive, and the track shines like a pre-emptive elegy for history as we know it. The eerie "Showroom Dummies" is both richly melodic and formally fresh; the tune is driven by a cybernetic hand-clap sound that's heavier than most Zeppelin riffs. When the infamous, haunting melody of the title track segues into "Metal on Metal," you hear the clacking sound of a train, which morphs into a Morse-code synth riff before the song returns to the original angst-ridden motif. Conceptually, Kraftwerk were as prophetic as Orwell; musically, they helped jump-start hip-hop with an electro shock and set the stage for techno, especially after Afrika Bambaataa borrowed the melody of "Trans-Europe Express" for his 1982 smash, "Planet Rock." One of their inheritors, techno king Carl Craig, probably said it best: "They were so stiff they were funky." PAT BLASHILL (RS 909  November 14, 2002" I have to agree with this one as well. I've only owned Trans-Europe Express for a few months (I've listened to Autobahn and The Man-Machine for years), but the album has firmly established itself on my list of favorites from the 70's. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:30:15 -0800 From: "Arzach" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash Hmmm, at the risk of breaking a protocol I'll ask if anyone recorded the Barbican show...I'd love to hear it: I'll trade whatever cheers, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: "Keith Astbury" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash > Wire went down pretty well. It was a packed auditorium, as far as I could > tell from where I was sitting, and they received a firm round of applause. > It wasn't really the occasion for showy appreciation. > > another the Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > To: Keith Knight > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash > > > > > Thanks Keith (and Mark too) for the review. Sounds a really interesting > > night... > > > > How did they go down? > > > > Keith > > > > NP Underworld - 2 months off ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #365 *******************************