From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #364 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 364 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] calling IC north-west massive [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk: Re: [idealcopy] Re: London calling - a pedant writes] ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Oops... ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] Spacemen 3 query ["Stephen Graziano" ] [idealcopy] Classic albums ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Fw: [KLF] "Faster Gimpo - M25!" - Last night at the Barbican//hi- all just got this from another source [] [idealcopy] was ..clash album........ [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] was ..clash album........ ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] barbican [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:39:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf Mea culpa - of course it was. another the Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com To: steeleknight@lineone.net ; bartvandamme@home.nl ; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf >>I think Biba Kopf was the nom de plume of Richard Cook who started Wire magazine.<< No. It's Chris Bohn. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:21:09 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Dip Flash A report from the Barbican last night. Some context first. This was an evening put together by Iain Sinclair, a writer / poet / psychogeographer, centred around his new book 'London Orbital', an account of a series of walks around the length of the M25. For those blessedly unfamiliar with this, it's a motorway which circles London, some 20-30 miles out from the centre. It's renowned for its traffic jams. Sinclair delves into the history, the lost communities, the buildings bulldozed to make way for the motorway, the sociological ramifications and the psychic connections - he constantly goes off on semi-poetic flights of insight and interconnectivity linking anything that comes to mind - Dracula, the Krays, the destabilising presence of the Millennium Dome. But - like J G Ballard - he's also grounded in present day reality, the world of garden centres, gated communities, Legoland housing, golf courses fronting landfill scams. At his best Sinclair reads like (along with Ballard) he's the only author who actually *sees* modern Britain and understand it. So, the evening was curated by Sinclair who came on regularly to introduce people or read extracts from the book. Three large screens showed constant footage of the M25 shot from the inside of a moving vehicle. The event (which I understand was put together on a wing and a prayer to some degree) consisted of part reading, part raconteur, part performance art and part music. Bill Drummond comes on to tell us about a mate of his who fuels up at the vernal equinox and drives for 25 hours around the motorway. He generously shows us an art work he's just created which he will give to the estate of the first person to die on one of these deranged happenings. Ken Campbell (a Brit theatrical performer and broadcaster) tells us about the history of ventriloquism, which allegedly existed pre-human in ferrets (this had nothing to do with the M25 but was certainly very funny). Jimmy Cauty rocked the house with treated heavy metal. Ballard was ill, so Sinclair and filmmaker Chris Petit brought on a cardboard cut-out and read 'What I believe in' from the Re-Search interview of some years ago. Scanner laid down some beats. And what of the boys? They came on in the dark while journalist Kevin Jackson was describing his experience of walking with Sinclair, rather destabilising his delivery. The four of them were lined up in front of various technology, l-r Graham, Robert, Colin and Bruce, all standing aside from Graham who was seated with a microphone. 'Dip Flash' is 'Dot Dash' slowed down with pre-recorded vocals (re-recorded rather than just slowed down from the original I'd imagine). This worked rather well. Graham occasionally barked something incomprehensible into the mike. Robert hit some piece of electronica gently with drumsticks. Bruce stood looking down at the kit, occasionally tweaking something. Colin was animated, grooving when the mood took him as he twiddled knobs. After the lyrics has expired the groove picked up, segueing into something with an Autobahn feel (as previously advertised) but also at times reminding me of Mark Stewart and the Maffia's 'Resistance of the Cell'. The piece lasted about seven minutes I'd guess and then it was off to let someone else on. Bruce returned from time to time to underscore some of the narrated pieces, once, my mate Adrian reliably informed me, with an extract from Michael O'Shea's album. So, a short Wire appearance in a portmanteau evening. A bit of a Curate's egg all told but I enjoyed it. Now how about getting Dip Flash released? another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:47:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] calling IC north-west massive Anyone else going to Crispy Ambulance in Manchester tonight? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:02:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk: Re: [idealcopy] Re: London calling - a pedant writes] > > > Many times I have seen M's Pop Muzik on 80s compilations, for example - > > > chronologically wrong, for sure, but culturally excuseable? > > > > NO! > > In context, or by definition? :) Both IMO. Pop Muzik was a great pop record, but if record companies want to release themed compilations, they should at least get their facts right. I don't think expecting 80's records to be on an 80's compilation is unreasonable! I've got a Glam Rock video that has Dr & the Medics on it. Why? Is it cos the company are struggling to fill the tape? Is it cos the people behind it are stupid and think that the Doctor is 'glam rock' cos he wore make-up 15 yrs later? Or is just cos people just don't care about the product they release... Don't answer that! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:00:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dip Flash Keith's report gives a good impression of the concept - I'll elaborate on the Wire elements. Firstly, this was a no guitars/drums performance. Wire performed behind a long table - rather like the one on the back cover of Chairs Missing (but not in the same left-right order)... Stage left is Graham, seated. He's using a Kaoss pad (a sampler with a touch sensitive pad which allows you to manipulate samples). Barking vocals into a microphone, he's sampling and manipulating his own voice. Robert stands behind the drum pads he uses on art of Stopping. Each of the pads is triggering a sample. Stage right Bruce appears to do very little - occasionally tweaking a keyboard or effect. Colin is running the show. Looking intense (and bespectacled - another Wire first!) he's basically mixing the others' inputs into the pre-recorded digital tracks on his iBook - A two-note synth bassline, Rob's drums and Colin's own vocals. The result is KrautWire - an evolving motorik drone. Of the R&B stuff, it's probably closest to 99.9. Or a modern take on Crazy about love. How about a 12inch white label release? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:11:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] calling IC north-west massive Anyone else going to Crispy Ambulance in Manchester tonight? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:for really good.. ........c.d prices,check out www.deepdiscountcd.com for really goood (U.S) dvd prices check out www.deepdiscountdvd.com Ari n.p:dead can dance,the dvd. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:13:07 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Oops... Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:32:29 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Kopf/Keenan >they just got around to printing biba kopf's >[excellent] paragraph about R'n'B 01 last month. That was David Keenan what writ that... ///// I just checked this last night, and, bloody 'ell, it WAS Kopf pissed riff after all... Keenan penned all the other reviews in that section... I sit corrected (by myself !)... So who was at The Barbican last night ? Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:19:18 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Spacemen 3 query Came across this (and bought it) at my local CD shop yesterday: Spacemen 3 - All Fucked Up - Post Script Records - Script 1 Cover art has a drawing of a Gemini era USA spacement w/ rather tatty sci-fi pulp magazine graphics. Tracks: Come Together Rollercoaster Take Me to the Other Side Things Will Never Be the Same Starship Revolution Little Doll O.D. Catastrophe Come Together Two Times Recording is a rather good audience live gig. Probably 1989 judging from the songs. Absolutely no liner notes or recording info. Anyone have any info on this? Steve. G ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:06:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Classic albums Classic Albums tonight (midnight ITV) is Never Mind The Bollocks. Should be pretty good - I've enjoyed episodes from this series even when it's been about stuff I don't like. Other news whilst I remember. According the nme, the next Fischerspooner single (not named, but previously listed as The 15th), has been delayed until next year... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:25:55 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [KLF] "Faster Gimpo - M25!" - Last night at the Barbican//hi- all just got this from another source - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Ayers" To: "DAVID HEALE" Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Fw: [KLF] "Faster Gimpo - M25!" - Last night at the Barbican > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: [KLF] "Faster Gimpo - M25!" - Last night at the Barbican > > > > Top night, arrived late at the Kings Head and briefly met up with some of > > the list members before the gig. > > > > Anyway, the whole evening was split into different segments, each > > representing the different junctions of the M25, and most with an > > introduction by Iain Sinclair. > > > > Bill was the 2nd person to be on, bringing on a large black and white > > painting saying 'Gimpo, Gimpo, Gimpo' on it with the explanation that if > > anybody dies on next years annual M25 spin (nearest Saturday to 21st > March), > > then their family can have the painting! > > > > He then read basically the following text - > > http://klf.life.eu.org/Misc/m25.txt > > > > Lots of other artists then appeared, including Ken Campbell (KLF link - > Bill > > helped to put on a stage production of the cult book "Illuminatus!" with > Ken > > Campbell's Science Fiction Theatre), Scanner (two sets - superb), Wire > (not > > sure what they were actually playing live - certainly not the vocals! - > but > > good anyway), the poet - Bill Griffiths - who also played some tunes on > the > > piano, Aaron Williamson (who was dressed in silver with a wheel and a > chair > > on his back - very strange), and of course Jimmy... > > > > Well, Jimmy in an Orange fluescent jacket and guitar was joined by two > other > > musicians - a drummer and another guitarist, and Gimpo with a flash light. > > They played a thrash metal song with the lyrics "Faster Gimpo - M25!" > > shouted all the way through - although not to be confused with the > Kalevala > > song of a similar name! Very good, and hopefully someone videoed/taped it. > > > > There were a couple of press photographers taking photos during the night, > > and also someone with a video camera - if you're on the list, I want a > copy! > > > > Anyway, there will be a film about the book being shown on Channel 4 on > > Tuesday night at 11:30pm, although this won't be a film of the Barbican > > event - see http://www.illumin.co.uk/ for more details on the programme. > > Also, it doesn't look (by the credits) as though Bill/Jimmy/Gimpo are > > featured in the film... > > > > Superb night, and I welcome any other reports! > > > > l8rs, > > > > > > Nick ;-) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > -----End of original message from Nick King----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] was ..clash album........ Michael wrote: People who need words are like people who need plots in stories and recognisible images in painting. I really think they're missing out on a lot of what art can offer. Michael Flaherty This is quite a statement,surely this cannot apply to all forms of music/music as art; midnight oil would not be a 'political' group of musicians without their words,and Woodie Guthrie wouldn't have a following. Bob Dylan would never have appeared at your local mega-bowl,and Wire wouldn't be charming us with some of their off the wall lyrics. Personaly I prefer Jazz without lyrics,but that's my preference... as for a book without a 'plot' how else would you go about writing even a childs book without one,unless of course one refers to the sciences and arts,the biographies and the history books,but many would argue,for example, that the narrative itself under these catagories would contain an element of plot,for did not Einstien 'plot' to do what he accomplished,and didn't Hanibal 'plot' to take europe. Me thinks you should think again Michael.Ari (who has lots of music without words,but no books without them) Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:02:13 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] was ..clash album........ > Michael wrote: > People who need words are like people who need plots in stories and > recognisible images in painting. Then Ari Wrote: > This is quite a statement,surely this cannot apply to all forms of music/music as art; Don't think it was meant to apply to everything. That would be silly (your argument about childrens books makes this clear), I think he meant that it is wrong to dismiss "plotless" things. Personally I am increasingly engrossed in entirely instrumental music. The more processed and electronic the better. We have the technology to make sounds that no-one has ever heard before, and twist them and morph them into unknown shapes. Then you can listen to it and make up your own images and stories! > midnight oil would not be a 'political' group of musicians without their words, > Bob Dylan would never have appeared at your local mega-bowl, I guess this boils down to what you use music for. For me music is about capturing things that there aren't words invented for. I am not apolitical, but I have no time for music or art that has a blatantly political message....its as naff as a Rapping Newsreader. And of course, for someone like me, Dylan is the antichrist! My favourite Political record is 'Anti' by Autechre which was released in protest at the Criminal Justice Bill in the UK. In reference to a section about illegal raves where the music has a 'repetitive beat', Autechre set about making a track which has completely manic beats but which change structure on every bar, which could legally be played! There are no lyrics required. And it is also a beautiful piece of music. NP: Fennesz - Badminton Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:24:29 -0000 From: "sjgtortfeezer" Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: CERTAIN GENERAL - LIVE PERFOMANCE - NEW REVIEW POSTED I hope that this may be of interest to fellow Ideal Copiers - Steve. G - --- In certaingeneral@y..., "sjgtortfeezer" wrote: Certain General will perform at the opening night of Prof. Jeff's Terror Sex Cabaret - Wednesday Nov. 6, 2002 at Club Luxx, 256 Grand Street, Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY. Admission is $6. The Brides play at 8pm, Certain General - 9pm Kid Congo and the Pink Monkey Birds - 10pm see enclosed attachment for gig flyer. The following is a review posted by a French fan of An Introduction to War this month at Amazon.com. If you haven't already bought your copy, remember Christmas (and Chanakah and Kwanza) is coming. (All SourMash USA titles are also available directly from http://www.sourmashusa.com The missing link between garage and avant-garde, October 6, 2002 Reviewer: Jacques BALL (see more about me) from PARIS , France Here is another stunner like some beauty anyone would like to meet one day. Those of you who are familiar with the music of Certain General will be delighted to finally discover what the band sounded like before and after "November's Heat". This is some lost classic, like the second album which never made it, and it better stands for this title than "These are the Days .. " (1998-Fantastica). "An Introduction to War" contains two CDs: "Savage Young Generals" is the band live during 1981/82 and the whole set is there, the music is incredible, raw and is like some crazy electrosurfpsyche-music. Phil Gammage produces great surf licks with tons of reverb and still stays very modern in his guitar playing. All those songs have never been released before and it is amazing to see the inspiration Parker Dulany was floating on. The other CD entitled "Dead Rabbit Gang" is that lost second album though "Killer in the House" does not appear here unfortunately. But "In a Bad Way", "The Rain", "Nowhere" and other favorites are truly there in their first renditions which are easily the best ones I have heard.. The introduction song "Uptight" inspired by the reading of the Velvet Underground's biography with that title could have been as successful as "Maximum G", had it been released regularly. Here is a new chance to hear that lost nugget. Then "Keys in the carpet" opens by a dedication to Patti Smith, and Edgar A. Poe among others and they truly are good relays to Certain General works. There are even covers on those cds, and not the most predictable ones, "White Rabbit" and "In-a Gadda-da-Vida" revisited in the shrieking surfy Certain General mould. From old modern writing to new one, from garage music to electronics, Certain General is the initiator of "Avant-garde Garage music" !!! Listen !! - --- End forwarded message --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:06:07 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: [idealcopy] barbican was this show broadcast? johnc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:52:37 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican In a message dated 10/27/02 5:07:17 AM GMT Standard Time, Arzach@msn.com writes: > was this show broadcast? > johnc ////sadly not. but you can see the film of the book of the show on tues night on (UK) C4 , 11.40 - 01.10 (not 11.30 as previously stated). p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #364 *******************************