From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #362 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 25 2002 Volume 05 : Number 362 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Dome? [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound [CHRISWIRE@ao] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] First Clash LP [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf///yes... in an NME..... [Ma] Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf [MarkBursa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome? > << << phew! > the cursor club > >> > > please explain..... > > i don't understand > > go ahead > RL i purchased that object by mistake some years back it stunk Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out - --- Bill Hick wrote :... > There is a useful article on No Wave. thus continuing the wire's endless march from relevancy - imo mojo does a fine job at master's disertations in recent musical history - i looked to the wire to tell me something about today - my subscription lapses in 3 issues - it will not be renewed > Suicide album is reviewed as their best ever. > Read and Burn 02 is not even mentioned. they just got around to printing biba kopf's [excellent] paragraph about R'n'B 01 last month. as noted above, current events are no longer their forte aside otomo yoshihide's new jazz ensemble plays here [in chicago' saturday night , coinciding with my daughter's 3rd birthday party anyone in attendance can tell me what a fine show i will be missing Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Let's Get Critical ... > What about American critics? Lester Bangs natch (an honorary NME man for a while) but is Robert Christgau all he's cracked up to be? NO In *my* grade book, he gets failing marks. The concept alone smacks of the old adage [you know] Those who can, do Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, administrate. and Those who can't administrate, criticize. Lester Bangs, on the other hand was a rabid fan. Big difference; gigantic. Creem was a fanzine of the highest order. It evangalized everything we now know to be good and true long before anyone was really listening on these shores. There were several other fine writers on staff there, but Lester was king. Creem's offices above the Little Professor bookstore in my hometown of Birmingham, MI were proof that something of value can exist in the direst circumstances; Birmingham being otherwise everything that is wrong and hatefull in a very suburban sense. [of course they eventually moved to new york] Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:54:19 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf > they just got around to printing biba kopf's > [excellent] paragraph about R'n'B 01 last month. Funny, must've taken his/her name from Franz Biberkopf out of Alfred Doblin's novel Berlin Alexanderplatz [also quite excellently filmed for telly by Fassbinder]. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:20:43 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf///yes... in an NME..... HELLO BART.... David in Cornwall here... yes; i recall a "nme" article back in early 80's where BIBA announced as much - that he got his pen name from this source//// and the book being a great influence on his life???!!!! must dash... commitments call bye David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart van Damme" To: "wire-news" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf > > they just got around to printing biba kopf's > > [excellent] paragraph about R'n'B 01 last month. > > Funny, must've taken his/her name from Franz Biberkopf out of Alfred > Doblin's novel Berlin Alexanderplatz [also quite excellently filmed for > telly by Fassbinder]. > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:24:51 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound From what I remember, CBS in the US really bollocksed-up (is that a real expression?) the release of the first Clash album. At first the label didn't intend to release the album at all in the US, citing poor recording quality and given punk's lack of apparent commercial viability. Then the record started flooding these shores as imports, selling up to 50,000 copies - not an insignificant number - and my memory tells me that (at least at the time) it was the fastest/biggest selling import (though it must be remembered that in the pre-alternative era imports were fairly minor aspects of the music biz). Based on those numbers CBS then decided not to release the album (yet again!) because everybody that was likely to want it, had already bought it as an import!! However, especially based on the fantastic reaction that the five! pre-2nd album 45s were garnering (all imports, natch) along with the increasing momentum that the Clash at home were acheiving, eventually it was decided to issue the album in an "updated", "revamped", "more American-friendly" form. Not so different really than what happened to the Beatles and Stones in their first US vs. UK releases when 45 tracks were appended to UK versions of albums with the view of appeasing the US market which expected the "hits" on the lps as opposed to the UK kids where 45s and lps were two seperate beasts - but I suspect that is more a factor of the UK having a single national music radio and press system as opposed the the polyglot of American media. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Flaherty" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound > My guess is that almost all US Clash fans had the import long before the US > version was released. > > George Harrison's ELECTRONIC SOUND was described by Harrison himself as > "boy meets machine". He had no idea what he was doing. Yet ... it's not > bad, and was unusual for the 1960s. This was during a short lived period > when Harrison and Lennon were trying to be very avant garde, and perhaps > finding that it's a lot harder than it sounds. > > (I like some of what they did, but it IS obviously rich rocks stars playing > at being experimental.) > > There's a cite called "8trackheaven.com that has a good 3 minute sample. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:39:54 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] der George > > Speaking of George Harrison...does anyone have the electronic > > record that he > > did? i forget the name of it but i think he did some crazy > > moog stuff.... > > Wonderwall? > Soundtrack to film of same name... > Rubbish on both counts IIRC.... > Actually, no. I think they're talking about Electronic Sound. *Another* George Harrison experimental album completed during the lifespan of the Beatles. From allmusic.com: 1968 Wonderwall Music (Capitol) 1969 Electronic Sound (Zapple) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:08:01 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP Oh sure. In NYC too. There were several cool stores in the Villages East and West and Melody Maker, NME, Sounds, Zig Zag were carried. The US had Boston Rock, NYRocker, Trouser Press, (to a lesser extent Rock Scene and Creem), and though I don't remember seeing it on stands in NY, Slash. But I don't imagine that any of those mags had circulations of over 20-30 thousand copies (which is what the Rocker sold when I worked there) and I bet a lot of those went to the same readers, I know I bought all of them pretty regularly, so those years of 77-79 things still stayed pretty underground. I'd have to have a real long thing about this, but I'd suspect and be ready to argue, that things really started to happen here when the bands stopped playing the bar/sitdown clubs i.e. CB's and Max'x and the in thing became those dance/rock monsters - Peppermint Lounge, Danceteria, Hurrah, et al which drew in many more kids on a night out, dancing, drinking, hooking up and the bands performing were often secondary. That was when the sense of fashion overwhelmend the content of the music, and I'm sorry RLynn, but the likes of Spandau, Adam Ant, Soft Cell, B Movie, OMD and that entire ilk hurt the punk/newwave/alternative revolution more than they helped because once again the music was created to be an easily disposed commodity, devoid of content and once again safely in the hands and control of the "majors". I understand the fondness anyone has for their "coming of age" music, and I know that it sticks w/ them for their entire lives, which by the way is why I find this recent Q poll interesting - all the 40 somethings reliving the glory days of 79/80 - good years for music, yes, but to the exclusion of all else?. So I saw that early 80s scene as the corruption of the prior punk explosion rather than the natural evolution and especially as to how easily the pendulum swung back to commerce rather than art. Steve G. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Flaherty" To: "Stephen Graziano" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP > At 11:24 AM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote: > >>From what I remember, CBS in the US really bollocksed-up (is that a real > >expression?) the release of the first Clash album. [etc.] > > While I've never heard that story, it makes perfect sense. > > I lived in Minneapolis at the time, and there was an EXTREMELY cool record > shop, run by one of the owners of Twin Tone records. We had all of the > punk releases we wanted--and w/in days of when they were released: I bought > London's Calling in the final days of '79. > > The reason I jump in w/ these stories is that I imagine that > (understandably) the UK members may assume that those of us in the US had a > more distorted version of UK punk than we in fact did. Independent record > stores also carried NME etc., and most of the bands had toured here ... > Wire a most unfortunate exception. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:19:47 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns At 01:10 PM 10/23/2002 +0200, Jan Noorda wrote: >I hope this Jan you are talking about is not me, > >I don't care about lists at all. The best album of the year and soon is >ridiculous to me. You can't measure who is the best. I think we're hitting a cutural divide here: the Jan I was talking about is Jan Wenner, founder and publisher of ROLLING STONE. Sorry for any confusion there. >p.s. Did Mick Jones play in the Clash or Foreigner? Both had a Mick Jones, though not the same one. Hence my reference to Foreigner's (i.e., Jan Wenner's buddy) as "the wrong Mick Jones." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:30:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP In a message dated 10/24/02 12:11:41 PM Central Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: << That was when the sense of fashion overwhelmend the content of the music, and I'm sorry RLynn, but the likes of Spandau, Adam Ant, Soft Cell, B Movie, OMD and that entire ilk hurt the punk/newwave/alternative revolution more than they helped because once again the music was created to be an easily disposed commodity, devoid of content >> why is this comment directed at me?..surely i am not the only one who likes Soft Cell and early OMD?...and besides, you are barking up the wrong tree if you think that i am stuck in a certain time period.....i am most certainly in the here and now, and 95 percent of the music that i am exploring/listening to has nothing to do with the "majors"..(i.e. labels such as Mego, Touch, Ash International, etc.).. and yes, i liked synth-pop and new wave better than punk...what's the big deal?..does that make me shallow? i think not... and who decides what music is devoid of content ? the listener, that's who nuff said RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:54:55 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP At 02:30 PM 10/24/02 EDT, you wrote: >and who decides what music is devoid of content ? >the listener, that's who >nuff said > >RL I can't completely agree with this, although I do believe "to each his own", and I've never let a lack of serious content keep me from something I enjoy. That said, content can be analyzed and discussed, and some things will have more fruitful content than others--none of which should stop anybody from reading, listening or watching something they enjoy. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:58:00 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP At 01:08 PM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote: >Oh sure. In NYC too. There were several cool stores in the Villages East >and West and Melody Maker, NME, Sounds, Zig Zag were carried. The US had >Boston Rock, NYRocker, Trouser Press, (to a lesser extent Rock Scene and >Creem), and though I don't remember seeing it on stands in NY, Slash. But I >don't imagine that any of those mags had circulations of over 20-30 thousand >copies (which is what the Rocker sold when I worked there) and I bet a lot >of those went to the same readers, I know I bought all of them pretty >regularly, so those years of 77-79 things still stayed pretty underground. Absolutely. Most Americans never will hear most of that music, and at that time almost no one here was aware of it. I just wanted to point out that for those of us who were interested, the British punk scene was easily accesible, at least in certain cities. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:55:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP > likes of Spandau, Adam Ant, Soft Cell, B Movie, OMD and that entire ilk hurt > the punk/newwave/alternative revolution more than they helped Surely by the time these lot hit big (1980-81), the punk/new wave explosion had long gone. And where did they come from? Adam - in an earlier incarnation - was certainly part of the early UK punk scene. And OMD were part of the Liverpool/Erics scene that emerged as a result of punk. And whilst personally I prefer Bollocks and Damned Damned Damned to any of my Soft Cell albums, I wouldn't have wanted every new band to take their sound from the school of '76. The above people moved in their direction, Devoto/ Lydon/ Strummer&Jones at al moved in theirs...they just wore more make-up. Still, feel free to blame Spandau bloody Ballet for anything you want, and I'll be right there behind you Stephen ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:52:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP In a message dated 10/24/02 1:54:34 PM Central Daylight Time, mflaher3@triton.edu writes: << >and who decides what music is devoid of content ? >the listener, that's who >nuff said > >RL I can't completely agree with this, although I do believe "to each his own", and I've never let a lack of serious content keep me from something I enjoy. That said, content can be analyzed and discussed, and some things will have more fruitful content than others--none of which should stop anybody from reading, listening or watching something they enjoy. Michael Flaherty >>>>> agreed....why just the other day a friend of mine (who is the world's biggest Creed and U2 fan) said to me: "i don't know how you can stand to listen to all that insubstantial music" (he was referring to Endless Summer by Fennesz at the time) because of course something without deep, honest, and meaniful lyrics is a waste of time..and therefore insubstantial.....bah! i have found far more meaning and honesty in an instrumental recording by Miles Davis, Fennesz, Zoviet France, Pete Namlook etc. and in the sleazy but honest lyrics of Marc Almond or Alan Vega than a truckload of posers and fakes such as U2, Creed, Springsteen etc. a matter of perspective? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:15:52 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] now what have we here........ must spill the beans on a curious discovery on kazaa last night. i found (but have only partially downloaded) a track called "blue rinse" by (no kidding here) "immersion vs rowland the bastard". this clearly begs a few questions ; has mr hick been collaborating with colin on the sly and not telling the world what he's up to? is somebody else taking mr r's name in vain? nice title ; a tribute to an ageing lover maybe? c'mon graeme , the truth needs to be revealed.............p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy](in)-sub-(stance)sub(sis)tance - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote:....why just the other day a friend of mine > (who is the world's biggest > Creed and U2 fan) said to me: "i don't know how you > can stand to listen to > all that insubstantial music" (he was referring to > Endless Summer by Fennesz > at the time) because of course something without > deep, honest, and meaniful > lyrics is a waste of time..and therefore > insubstantial.....bah! or maybe his impression matches mine which is something which is devoid of substance is insubstantial (i am not a fan of that record) on the punk vs new wave vs pop in particularly in re: soft cell somethings a little candy gloss helps the subversion go down early to mid OMD as well - i still rate Dazzle Ships very highly as art and artifice Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:12:13 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] who has bought something, not realizing you already had it? "who has bought something, not realizing you already had it?" Yes, certainly an indicator one has too much music. First time I did that was when I discovered I already had the Cabaret Voltaire 7" I'd just bought. Felt like a fool. That was a long time ago but I did it again and apparently I've blanked out what it was out of embarrassment. And I'm still wondering a year later why I have two copies of a certain Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers CD--someone must have sneaked the second copy in to my collection . . . . Robert (another) Thanks, Michael, for posting Colin's top ten--THAT was interesting. *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:00:15 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP i had seen the import version in stores when i bought the u.s. version (anything to save 2 bucks back then...heck, probably now too!) and one thing about it is...i can't imagine not having white man in hammersmith palais. how was this song released in the u.k.? i know i could probably search this out on the net, but i'm being lazy :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:47:56 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Cheer up, Keith Would it cheer you up, Keith, to know that a list member is turning 46 next week? Happy Returns! Robert (another) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:28:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound > bollocksed-up (is that a real expression?) It certainly is in these parts Stephen! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:38:47 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] First Clash LP >i had seen the import version in stores when i bought the u.s. version >(anything to save 2 bucks back then...heck, probably now too!) Actually, Columbia/Epic/Legacy has released remasted editions of *both* versions in the U.S. - and they're both the same price! From amazon.com UK version: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004BZ04 US version: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004BZ05 I'm not sure this is true in the UK. I looked on amazon.co.uk, but I couldn't find that they had the same remastered editions the US does. >and one thing >about it is...i can't imagine not having white man in hammersmith palais. >how >was this song released in the u.k.? i know i could probably search this >out >on the net, but i'm being lazy :o) > The song was released as a single. (Remember those? (^_^)) If you want it now, I suppose you would get it on The Clash - The Singles, The Story of the Clash - V. 1 (if you want to spring for a double CD) or even the import version of the American "The Clash" (which seemed pretty reasonably priced on Amazon.co.uk), if you're so inclined. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:43:32 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound Just had 6 pints at the quiz nite at my local.I'm pretty "Bollocksed" now. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:06:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] First Clash LP On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 04:38:47PM -0700, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >i had seen the import version in stores when i bought the u.s. version > >(anything to save 2 bucks back then...heck, probably now too!) > > Actually, Columbia/Epic/Legacy has released remasted editions of *both* > versions in the U.S. - and they're both the same price! Likewise in the UK, which is why I have the American, not the British, "The Clash". :) - - Andrew - -- ".... come and find me, I'll be waiting - with a gun and a pack of sandwiches..." - Radiohead, "Talk Show Host" ('Street Spirit', B-side) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:46:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Exploded views > >>Wire - Exploding Views is a book by Alessandra Libutti on Collana > Sconcerteo > 1994. A short chronology, some interviews and lots of lyrics, all in > Italian > and English. > And a single CD Live May 1990 with Sixth, What, 1 2 Drill U and Underwater. > From Materiali Sonori in Valdarno http://www.materialisonori.it/ didn't > find > it there but 20.000 copies, so there may be a chance to get it? If you > haven't all got it already.<< The Exploded Views book is not particularly good, but the live CD is well worth having. I got it from www.stampalternativa.it a few years ago. It's not listed on their web catalogue now though, but it might be worth asking them. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:43:44 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cheer up, Keith Not sure if you're referring to me or Mr Astbury on this occasion, Robert, but I'm 46 too on Thursday - like Paul P a Hallowe'en baby (albeit 9 years and 21 hours earlier). Which makes me a bleeding Scorpio not any of this dippy Libran bollocks. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cambra, Robert To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Cheer up, Keith > Would it cheer you up, Keith, to know that a list member is turning 46 next > week? > > Happy Returns! > > Robert (another) > > > > > *************************************************************** > This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; > any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply > e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:45:34 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf I think Biba Kopf was the nom de plume of Richard Cook who started Wire magazine. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf > > they just got around to printing biba kopf's > > [excellent] paragraph about R'n'B 01 last month. > > Funny, must've taken his/her name from Franz Biberkopf out of Alfred > Doblin's novel Berlin Alexanderplatz [also quite excellently filmed for > telly by Fassbinder]. > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:54:20 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP Which brings me back to the issue I started this with, following Paul Ye's post. One person's version of The Clash is not the same as another's - both are equally classic but they are quite different beasts. The thought of The Clash starting with Clash City Rockers and including White Man in Hammersmith Palais, Complete Control and the rest are anathema to me but to others are the norm. And with CD extras, there is for most albums no longer a definitive version. Which I, for one, find a bit worrying. But then I always was one for some order in the world. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First Clash LP > i had seen the import version in stores when i bought the u.s. version > (anything to save 2 bucks back then...heck, probably now too!) and one thing > about it is...i can't imagine not having white man in hammersmith palais. how > was this song released in the u.k.? i know i could probably search this out > on the net, but i'm being lazy :o) > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:54:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns >>No. Just London Calling. I've made my bed. I'll lie in in it ; )<< It was recorded in 1979. It was released in 1979. It's an album of the 70s, not the 80s. American Clash fans could have ordered one mail order and had it well in time for Christmas. End of story. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:56:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY > >>can't win em' all !....as i said before Keith; keep telling yourself that > it's all just a frame of mind! you'll be ok!<< > > Keith, you're six days older than me. Makes a big difference. > > Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:53:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys > > With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes > > quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... > > And the large number of Librans here is the reason why the views and > writing > on this list are so well-balanced and rational ; )<< Or Scorpios.... Whatever that means! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:02:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf///yes... in an NME..... > > Funny, must've taken his/her name from Franz Biberkopf out of Alfred > > Doblin's novel Berlin Alexanderplatz [also quite excellently filmed for > > telly by Fassbinder]. Biba Kopf = Chris Bohn Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:25:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wire tapped out/Biba Kopf > >>I think Biba Kopf was the nom de plume of Richard Cook who started Wire > magazine.<< > > No. It's Chris Bohn. > > Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #362 *******************************